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It’s HUGE. John Rosenthal at PJ Media:
And thanks to the recent reporting of CNN (where were they and the other media three years ago, when we needed them?), more people will realize that shortly after the passage of Obamacare the Obama administration implemented rules specifically designed to ensure that millions of people — those who provided for themselves on the individual market, i.e., who did not receive coverage through their employer or union — would not be allowed to keep their current insurance. Thus not only were Obama’s assurances untrue; they were purposeful deceit in which a supine press was complicit.
Jay Carney, the Official Propagandist of the Obama regime said:
One of the things health reform was designed to do was to help not only the uninsured but also the underinsured. And there are a number of Americans, fewer than 5 percent of Americans, who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.
Now if you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law and you really liked that plan, you were able to keep it. That’s what I said when I was running for office.
That was part of the promise we made.
No, not 5%. Try 69%.
John Hinderaker at Powerline Blog:
The Obama administration projected low-end, mid-range and high-end estimates for how many plans would be terminated, in total and broken down between large and smaller employers. The bottom line is that the administration expected 51% of all employer plans to be terminated as a result of Obamacare. That is the mid-range estimate; the high-end estimate was 69%. So as of 2010, the Obama administration planned that most Americans with employer-sponsored health care plans would lose them, whether they liked those plans or not.
As for individual, as opposed to group plans, the Obama administration said that data were insufficient to predict how many would lose grandfather status, but in any given year the percentage of such policies losing such status would “exceed[] the 40 percent to 67 percent range.”
Those numbers starkly contradict Obama’s “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” assurances. But it is worth noting that the percentage of pre-Obamacare plans that would terminate within the first few years after the law was enacted isn’t the main point. The administration never intended to allow any American to keep a non-Obamacare insurance policy for any length of time.
And for small business, it’s more like 80%.
Sen. Mike Enzi:
Unfortunately, the regulation writers at the Departments of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services broke all those promises. The regulation is crystal clear. Most businesses–the administration estimates between 39 and 69 percent–will not be able to keep the coverage they have.
Under the new regulation, once a business loses grandfathered status, they will have to comply with all of the new mandates in the law. This means these businesses will have to change their current plans and purchase more expensive ones that meet all of the new Federal minimum requirements. For the 80 percent of small businesses that will lose their grandfathered status because of this regulation, the net result is clear: They will pay more for their health insurance.
Obama said in video that you could keep your plan at least 36 times:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmo[/youtube]
This is not simply a lie. It is a lie of galactic proportions. All hell is going break loose next year when nearly everyone loses their plans, and that is why the employer mandate was delayed. So Obama could lie through another election cycle.
Democrats see the handwriting on wall and are getting skittish:
More than a dozen anxious Senate Democrats facing reelection next year met with President Obama at the White House Wednesday to review the administration’s progress in fixing technical problems hobbling the rollout of the Affordable Care Act.
The website is the least of their problems.
Megyn Kelly asks the obvious:
Megyn Kelly interview Fox editor Chris Stirewalt on a White House press conference with Jay Carney, and the political possibility arose that Obama may have won the 2012 election by lying about ObamaCare.
As if there was any doubt. The real question is- does he ever tell the truth about anything? And when will the press stop treating Obama as a novelty and hold him to account for these lies?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@Richard Wheeler:
I never heard any rumors about Bush doing any drugs.
RW, is there an insinuation here that snorting coke is somehow better than smoking coke? Am I missing something here?
I’ll bet you don’t even think he is a liar either. Why are you so anxious to carry his water for him? Strange. To some, there may be a ‘more permissive’ society, but not to me. a druggie is a druggie. I’ve never tried any substance, including pot, not even once. As I said, I do drink a little beer and wine, but don’t get drunk.
@Richard Wheeler:
Well, of course, as you know, birther is a dimocrat secular progressive word and I’m not one of those. I will agree with you calling me a birther as long as you concede that both Obama and I believe he was born in the same place. I notice you skipped right over addressing why he said he was from Kenya in his 04 senator campaign material..just how heavy is his water?
@Redteam:There are plenty of Conservatives here at F.A who’d call you a birther if you don’t believe Obama was born in Hawaii. They’ve said you’re wasting your time.
Rumors of Bush drug use? Definitely. As mentioned,he was a fraternity brother of mine.
BTW Is being a fall down drunk less offensive than snorting coke. Both can be ugly and incapacitating.
If you’ve actually read my posts you’d see I’m definitely not in lock step with BHO.
But birthers and those who accuse him of forming a civilian Army–c’mon
A communist; another Hitler—really
Fools.
@Redteam:
Ummm, guess that makes us even. I live in Texas and don’t hear a lot of good things about Louisiana. Although I do like your governor. I watched as Jindal reported on a hurricane one year; he stood at the podium and gave all the relief stations locations, told people where they should evacuate to (I believe it was during Ike) and not once did he look down at notes, or read from a teleprompter or have to be told by some official standing behind him any information. He knew it. It was already in his head and he was prepared, prepared, prepared.
But I also know that Bobby Jindal is close to Rick. And Jindal relies on Rick for suggestions on how to turn Louisiana around from all the disaster years of being governed by a Democrat. And I say “Go Louisiana!!!”
I just wish you’d take back all those people who fled New Orleans and stayed in Houston .
Not to mention Christie’s support for a judge that thinks Shir’ia law should be enforced in the U.S.
Now, let me tell you a story about Rick Perry that few know: Ever read Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell? As a vet, it will rip your heart out. Well, I was at an event and Marcus was there. I got a chance to talk to him and he told me this story: when he came back from Hell, he was in pretty bad shape, physically and emotionally. His team included Michael Murphy who just recently had a ship named after him and was a MOH winner. Marcus was the “lone survivor” of that team. He had been in and out of Walter Reed and was now back home, going to San Antonio for medical treatment, but his mind was still messed up. He was having a hard time understanding why his entire team was killed but he wasn’t. And then Marcus met Rick and Anita Perry.
Marcus said he got a call and Rick said “Why don’t you come and stay with Anita and me for a while?” Marcus took them up on the offer. He said that when he was having bad nights, Rick would sit up with him all night, just talking. Talking about family, about Texas, about hunting, about anything and everything. Anita made sure that Marcus got to and from San Antonio, and was always there for him with her nursing skills (she’s an RN, you know). Marcus got better and eventually returned back to Huntsville. By then, he, Rick and Anita were good friends, and remain good friends. When Rick decided to throw his hat in the Presidential ring, it was a family conference thing and Marcus was there.
A year or so later I was at a dinner for Rick. I asked where Anita was and he said she was home watching over someone. You see, after Marcus left, Rick and Anita Perry took in another Navy SEAL, one of Marcus’ friends, who was also having trouble adjusting back to normal life after physical injuries and mental trauma. Once again, Rick and Anita were putting their money where their mouths were.
Did you ever know that about the Perrys? Did you ever hear Rick mention it on the campaign trail, blowing his own horn? Ask yourself this, Redteam; what kind a guy, who is governor of the second largest state (size wise and population wise) in the nation and doesn’t brag about what he has done for others?
Rick has made some mistakes. Trying to follow through on George Bush’s plan for the TransTexas Highway was one of them. But when the people of Texas raised so much hell over it, Rick dropped it. I have less problem with someone who makes a mistake and then tries to fix it than I do with someone who outright lies to the nation and then blames others for his mistakes. Honest men admit when they are wrong. Con artists do not.
I remember during the last primary campaign season. Central Texas was on fire, literally. In one county alone, 6,000 people had watched their homes and land go up in flames. Rick was on the campaign trail but flew home and at dawn, he was in a TxANG helicopter flying over the burning areas. By 10:00 a.m. he was standing in a disaster relief center trying to assure Texans it would be OK. He was scheduled to debate that night in California, but he hung around, making sure that relief supplies were coming in (they were, but not from FEMA). By the time he got to California, he had been up a long time and was beat down to his boot straps.
Texas has done well under Rick Perry. Our population continues to explode, but unemployment is still a whole percentage point below the national average and we don’t drop people from the work force rolls to get there.
Was the DNC afraid of Rick Perry? You bet. After almost 6 years, we still don’t have Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.’s grades, but two weeks into his campaign, Rick Perry’s grades were “leaked” along with some absurd story about a rock in west Texas that no photos were taken of.
You see, Redteam, success works. Cooperation between the governor, and the state Congress works. Getting government out of the way of people’s success works. But hey, let’s make fun of Rick Perry because he a) talks like a Southerner b) has great hair c) takes no crap off D.C. and d) has his Attorney General make a career out of suing D.C. But it speaks well of a man who truly helps others and doesn’t use it to toot his own horn.
If Christie is the nominee, I’ll sit the next one out. There is no difference between Liberal and Liberal Lite. Just degrees of liberalism. I already held my nose twice in the voting booth. I’ll not do it again. And yes, this nation could do a lot, LOT worse than have Rick Perry as POTUS. We already have.
@Richard Wheeler:
Whereas, Obama admits to using drugs in his own book.
LOL. You may have belonged to the same national fraternity, but you were not at the same school. You’ve tried that before; making it sound as if you knew him with innuendo.
Being a fall down drunk is not illegal. Being a coke freak is.
Yet you are quick to defend him with your little shell game: “hey, hey, don’t look there, look over here” crap.
@retire05:
Love Rick Perry. Voted for him in the primary even though everyone else had given up on him. My brother told me about him being there for the fires and traveling for the debates. I’ve also read Marcus’ book, great book and it will tear you up. He actually grew up wanting to be a SeAL and trained long before he ever entered the service.
The toughest decision I would have to make would be between Rick Perry and Rand Paul. I like them both quite a bit. I like their demeanor and the ease with which they defend their positions. They believe what they say, so there is no double-speak. I think the fact that Perry is and has been a governor for a while would tip the scales. The man has run one of the largest economies in the world and has done it in spectacular fashion. I just got back from Houston a few weeks ago and I am constantly amazed at what I see in Texas. When they build a road, they build a road. Not this two year project with traffic tied up for months, they get it done and get out of the way. My sister-in-law was complaining that my brother preferred rib-eye steaks and they were eight dollars a pound. Try $14 a pound in Georgia.
God bless Texas!
@retire05: Shell game you say.
I personally don’t care if BHO or “W” tried coke or marijuana as young men. I’d damn well care if they were using while POTUS.
Do you think admitted drunk “w” might well have smoked some weed or snorted coke in New Haven 64-68 or Cambridge 74-75? Do you think he ever drove intoxicated–illegally?
More importantly he got clean and sober at 40–kudos to him with an honorable mention to the lovely Laura.
Aqua Thanks for your thoughts on Perry and Paul. $14 a pound for beef. One of many reasons to be a vegetarian,
@Richard Wheeler:
I can’t stand vegetables, I’m a full blown carnivore. I have to chug V8s to get my vegetables, that’s how much I hate them.
@Aqua:
The reason I told the stories of the Perrys and the care of SEALs is because it is insider stuff. Or at least was for a long while.
You see, I believe a man will be judged on what he does when nobody is looking. What he does from the heart, not from its rating on the “political advantageous” scale.
So here’s another insider story for you: there is a [famous] firing range that serves the Austin, Tx. area. A young lady was at the firing range, trying to practice for her concealed carry license. My friend said she was so nervous, she had never handled a hand gun before and she was scared, really, obviously never having grown up around fire arms. I’m sure you’ve met people like that. Other customers had made comments to her but she continued to be nervous and uncomfortable. Anyway…………….
she was trying to practice when a guy walks up to her and says “Here, let me help you” and proceeded to start giving her instructions on how to be more comfortable with her fire arm. She immediately seemed to trust him. He spent a good deal of time with her and when he left, she was doing good and had gained confidence in her own abilities to safely use a hand gun. She turned to another customer and said “Do you know who that guy was?” to which the customer replied “Yeah, Rick Perry.”
Again, its what we do when no one is looking or no one knows about that really determines our character.
@Richard Wheeler:
Shell game? Yeah. The topic was Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.’s drug use, and you drag in G.W. Bush. For what? So you can say “Hey, look over here.” Typical leftie tactic.
But I guess you ASSume that I am a fan of G.W. Bush. Once again, as is SOP for you; you’re wrong. I do admire him for his loyalty to our soldiers and veterans, unlike the poseur currently residing in the Oval Office.
@Aqua:
Suggest to her to invest in a freezer and take advantage of the sales at HEB when rib-eyes are $4.00/pound.
@retire05:
$4.00 a pound………I may have to move. They have two freezers.
retire05
yes I LIKE RICK PERRY EVEN MORE after your story,
I SURE WISH HE WILL RUN AGAIN ,
THAT’S THE STUFF OF A PRESIDENT IN HIS CORE,
NOT AS A SHOW OF PRESIDENT WHO CANNOT LEAD
UNLESS HE YELL AND SCARE THE SHIT OF HIS MINIONS,
Aqua
RAND PAUL Is also much worthy to take the PRESIDENCY,
and he’s not showing his super intelligence, but we see it,
@Richard Wheeler:
I have never referred to Hitler in reference to BHO. Why do you keep avoiding the point. Where did BHO’s campaign material from 2004 say he was born. I only say that I believe he was born where he thinks he was born. Why do you insinuate something other than Hawaii when I say that? Isn’t that a failure on your part?
@Richard Wheeler:
absolutely, you can be sober the next day after being falling down drunk, the likelihood of ever being sober again after using coke is slim.
First, why do you use the word birthers? That”s an invention of secular progressives. And as I’ve said, I believe O was born where he thinks he was born. Is he a birther? Does he think he was born in Ha or not? Why does his campaign material from 04 say he was born in Kenya? I’ve never said he was forming a civilian army, tho he has said so. Argue with him on that.
@retire05:
Strange, I didn’t mention anything bad about Tx. The worst thing is that there a lot of illegals there, but I can’t blame that on Tx. About Jindal, I like him ok. He’s done a lot of good things concerning taxes. The only negative seems to be taking too much money out of higher education, but there may have been a lot of waste and he’s cleaning it up.
You will note that I said if Perry were the nominee I would vote for him. I didn’t say that about Christy, and that’s because I agree he is some degree of liberal. No, I hadn’t heard those stories about Perry and the vets, but just curious, if he didn’t tell them, how did you hear about them? If they are true, and I do believe they are, then Perry and his wife are good citizens. I have been impressed by his actions toward the economy of Texas, they are doing very well, as Louisiana is also. (both run by conservatives) I can’t support Jindal for pres. He’s not eligible.
@Richard Wheeler:
I do. BHO using drugs shows a lot of lack of principle and self determination. Yep I drank beer when I was young but I damn sure knew better than to use drugs. You make a lot of insinuations about GWB using at some time and infer while POTUS, but you know damn well if anyone is using while POTUS it’s not GWB. And while you have a clear admittance by BHO that you are willing to overlook, you only have ‘rumors’ about Bush but are willing to jump on that with both feet.
We all know that if once a cokehead, likely always a cokehead.
@Redteam:” infer “w” used as POTUS?” Actually, I congratulated him on his sobriety.If you don’t read what I write why should I waste my time responding?
@Redteam:
Sorry, Redteam, but my experiences with some from your state has not been pleasant. Example: some of the trash that fled New Orleans during Katrina and wound up in Houston at the Astrodome. They fled the rage of the storm, then complained because they were not being served Cajun food, they didn’t have separate rooms to sleep in, didn’t like the “type” of clothing being provided, for free, I might add. Once they settled in, their kids were causing fights in the schools where the police had to be called as never before, they demanded the citizens of Texas provide them with all the freebees that they were used to in getting in your state then run by Democrats. Personal responsibility seemed to be a foreign concept to them. Not to mention that the crime rate in Houston skyrocketed once they hit town.
Then, when I went to MS. for two years after Katrina, I stayed in an RV park run by people from Slidell. What jerks. They used to throw crawfish boils, by invitation only, for everyone in the park, but us. When I asked the wife why she said it was because her husband had grown up in La. and didn’t like people from Texas. I told her he didn’t seem to have a problem taking my freaking check every month. Ironically, the people in northern LA are totally different. Love their food, their music, their hospitality. Did the whole River Road/Plantation tour and was blown away over the history.
But as everyone will tell you, there’s no place like home. I’ll take smoked brisket over crawfish any day. 🙂
@Richard Wheeler:
One of my efforts is to get you to respond to what I say instead of what you try to accuse me of saying. You’re not very good at that.
@retire05:
I will also, I don’t care for crawfish, but then I’m from Georgia and the bar-b-q is about the same there as in Texas.
Actually, I’m glad you got some of that trash from New Orleans, we had way too much of it here. I hear several states got some. You think they screwed up the Astrodome, you should’ve seen the Superdome. Millions of dollars damage.
You’re blaming La for that guy in Ms? La was smart enough to run him out. But what were you in Ms for 2 years for? Helping the victims?
@Redteam: You said I inferred “W” was using drugs while POTUS .Did you miss #207 where I congratulated him for getting “clean and sober ” at age 40?
Alcohol abuse has ruined more lives and destroyed more families than coke and marijuana abuse combined. Ask the “friends of Bill W.”
@Richard Wheeler: As a matter of fact in 207 you said:
which is the inference that he was using it while POTUS. But you will admit that an admitted coke blower is much more likely to still being blowing coke than one that never used it, won’t you?
@Redteam:WHAT?? I said I’d care if either were using as POTUS. I DON’T THINK EITHER HAS—CAPICHE?? Do you try to make things difficult?
@Richard Wheeler:
Think about that RW, why do alcoholics say these things and coke users don’t? Think about that question. Because the alcohol users are still alive. The potheads and coke blowers are dead or on the way. If you had a child come to you with a problem, would you rather they were hi on alcohol or coke?
@Richard Wheeler:
I try to answer your questions, you only try to deflect. You do have to admit you were inferring there is/was usage as POTUS. Now skate over this one. In Obama’s campaign material in 04 he made reference to where he was born. Do you know what he said?
@Redteam:
Don’t they lather bar-b-que up with all that sauce in Georgia? I know they do in K.C. We just like it smoked, sauce on the side.
Texas got the bulk because we were right down Interstate 10. Why would you wish that on us Texans?
He wasn’t run out. To my knowledge, he still works in Slidell and still has their house there, as they did when we were there in Mississippi.
We were in Mississippi 1 year and 11 months to the day. We went there just shortly after Katrina to help with clean up and reconstruction (not a good word in the South). We came home terribly disillusioned about human nature and how many people expect to have everything handed to them while they sit on their butts drinking beer and complaining how the “government” isn’t doing enough. And the fraud. OMG, Redteam, you cannot imagine the fraud. The RV next to us was a FEMA trailer. The guy who had it had been given it by FEMA, but he really didn’t need it as just part of his garage roof had been blown off by one of the resulting tornados. So he moved it to the RV park and rented it out making a cook $500/month off it over and above the $425/month he paid for space rent/utilities. He could do it easily because there were so many temporary contractors that came into Hattieburg that there were no available hotel rooms.
I don’t think I will ever volunteer for anything again. People are not appreciative at all.
@Redteam: Do you know about N.A.? AA and NA are both wonderful organizations that have given strength and hope to the addicted.
I’ve known those addicted to alcohol and those addicted to coke or heroin. Alcoholism and drug addiction are progressive diseases and my hat is off to all people in recovery—one day at a time.
@retire05:
As in Texas, they do it both ways. I personally like it better when it is cooked with the sauce being applied during cooking, but it is good either way. I lived in N. C. for a while and can’t stand their ‘vinegar’ barbeque.
LOL, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, just glad they left here. Some of the real riff-raff of the world.
That all started with the socialist/communist movement under FDR back in the ’30’s. I stopped by Waveland/Bay St Louis, Ms the following summer (2006) and people were still living in tents, being fed by the government. As long as they got tv, water, food, sleeping place and money to buy booze, they were happy to sit on their butts and let the gov do everything. I’m in the section of La that is rarely affected adversely by the weather, thank goodness.
@Richard Wheeler: I know about AA, don’t know anyone that is a member. Don’t know about NA, never had need to know. Don’t associate with druggie’s. Is Obama a member? Has it helped him any?
I’m sure they are. Wonder what the numbers look like as far as deaths for each class. My personal thoughts are that drugs are infinitely more deadly.
@Redteam AA and NA. They aren’t clubs.They have no dues. You don’t know anyone in AA or NA?—maybe that’s why they are called ANONYMOUS lol
Don’t know about BHO but you can be pretty sure recovering alcoholic “w” has attended meetings—good for him!!
BTW alcohol is a drug.
@Richard Wheeler:
Semantics, sir. If they are the ‘same’ why are there two different organizations? I don’t believe alcohol is in the ‘narcotics’ category. “When used in a legal context in the U.S., a narcotic drug is simply one that is totally prohibited, or one that is used in violation of strict governmental regulation, such as heroin or morphine.”
ASS-U-ME:
In fact you don’t know about GWB either, but ‘you can be pretty sure’? So your inclination is the ‘worst’ is true of GWB, but you are willing to let BHO skate, even tho he has admitted using drugs that GWB has not admitted to. Is that liberalism, or secularism, or just what is it? It’s certainly not normal for conservatives but sure seems to apply to libs.
Uh, I missed your response to the question I had about where Obama said he was born in his 04 campaign literature. Which comment was your answer in?
@Redteam: W is a recovering alcoholic—going to AA meetings is a positive not a negative. Because alcohol is a legal drug does not make it less dangerous for one who is addicted to it.
Literature that claimed Obama was born in Kenya. Editor said she made a mistake. We beat that dead horse on an earlier post.
@Richard Wheeler:
You’re talking apples, I’m talking oranges. I didn’t say anything about any editor, and I wasn’t talking about the author profile for the book. I’m talking about the campaign literature the Obama campaign put out in 04 when he was running for senate. I’m sure you’re gonna say someone else wrote it and he didn’t know about it. This has got to be the most published man ever that has never read a word he wrote.
who said he goes to AA meetings? aren’t they anonymous? Didn’t you bring up that very point? But you’re ‘sure’ he goes? Chuckle.
So you had just as soon your daughter be on Coke as on booze?
@Redteam: I don’t know if “w” has gone to meetings but in my mind it’s a positive if he has. If my daughter was an alcoholic or a drug addict I would try to get her to as many AA or NA meetings as possible. The love and support from those in recovery is incredibly powerful. From my experience there isn’t anything less attractive than a drunken woman.
In my opinion BHO was born in Hawaii.Think it’s a waste of time and hurtful to the Republican Party to postulate other scenarios. Go ahead without me.
@Richard Wheeler:
That is really strange, kinda like a ‘surrender’. I have said repeatedly that I think Obama was born where he thinks he was born and you continue to think I’m saying something other than what he thinks. If he ‘thinks’ he was born in Ha, then I’ll go along with that. But, maybe he ‘thinks’ someplace else. If so, I’ll go along with that.
Oh, and you surrendered on the drug issue also.
You ever seen one that’s been on coke for a couple years? In her casket?
@Redteam: I’ve seen alcoholics die from cirrhosis of the liver. It ain’t pretty. As for illicit drugs, I’d submit heroin is much more deadly than cocaine. .Whether alcohol addiction or drug addiction I believe one should admit they are powerless over the disease and seek compassionate help.Both AA and NA are outstanding organizations.
I don’t really care where you think Obama was born. He produced an Hawaiian b.c. that all but a few feel is legit. Good enough for me.
BTW What is all this “surrender” B.S. Is this a war? Have you ever been in actual combat?
@Richard Wheeler:
You do realize, do you not, that there is a difference between a plain old drunk and an alcoholic? One can quit drinking without problems, the other needs extreme help with addiction. And do you not admit that cocaine is much more addictive than alcohol? Not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic, but most who use cocaine with any regularity become addicts.
@Richard Wheeler:
And that has exactly what to do with the price of eggs in China or Obama’s use of drugs?
Richard Wheeler
the certificat was fraudulentely false
proven by experts,
those who believe it where the same BREED who elected him at the 2012 election,
when he made a priority on it , instead of the 4 AMERICANS LEFT TO BE KILLED
AFTER HAVING ASK FOR HELP WAY BEFORE IN AUGUST THAT WAS 7 TIMES COUNTING THE LAST ONE JUST WHEN THEY WHERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES ALONE IN FIRE AND HELL,
AND ALL THE OTHER BRITISH AND CANADIANS AND REDCROSS HAD BEEN RECALLED
BY THEIR COUNTRIES, THOSE FOUR HEROS WHERE
OUTNUMBERED BYE THE MULTIPLE ALQUAEDAS,
AND EXPECTING TO BE RESCUE BY THEIR AMERICAN PEERS ANY MINUTES TILL THE END,
BECAUSE THEY KNOW OF ” NO MAN IS LEFT BEHIND EVER”
WHILE OBAMA WAS CAMPAIGNING TO WIN HIS ELECTION NO MATTER WHAT
@retire05:
LOL. Do you??
@Redteam:
LOL x 2. Reefer Madness has nothing on Redteam’s perception of casual drug use.
@retire05:
And your proof for this statement is…. where? Gonna have to call BS.
I’ve never seen two people who openly admit to having little interest and no experience with a subject, and then turn around and play expert at it, all the time doing nothing but generating unintentional comedy. Not to mention, in the bubbles of illogic these people inhabit, five minutes ago Obama is a practicing radical Islamist extremist and now he’s a hipster doofus coke fiend.
@drjohn:
Wrong. 9/11 was almost stopped. If a few things had been done differently, it would have been. It’s a tragedy that it wasn’t, but that doesn’t change the fact that some people in our intelligence services were well aware of the threat that Al Queda posed.
You’re actually making the argument that just because you, Dr John, in your paranoia, can imagine something is possible, the rest of us should ignore the factual evidence that shows it to actually not be possible at all. That’s a rather gross mismanagement of limited resources, isn’t it, to chase phantoms when there’s enough real danger in the world today? Five years have passed since one sentence in a speech was deliberately taken out of context to use for propaganda purposes. And are we any closer to your fears being realized? Is there any evidence that this security force is being assembled? Of course not. An intelligent person educated in the history of the Peace Corp can not read that entire speech and come away thinking Obama wants to build an armed private army that answers only to him. I don’t even think you believe it. You’ve already admitted that you want to fight fire with fire, that you believe the ends justify the means, so why wouldn’t you push every anti-Obama attack, regardless of merit?
@retire05: Are you trying to stand up for “just plain old drunks” vs users of cocaine.
Do you find one more acceptable or less debilitating? You say drunks can quit anytime they want—they “aren’t alcoholics.” Wishful thinking.
Abuse of alcohol is as bad as abuse of cocaine–just might take a little longer.
Tom
YOU SAID IT , radical extremist , and an hipster doofus coke ,
and where”s your source ON BOTH
@Tom: These two old timers have certainly become experts on the dangers of cocaine use but seem to excuse just “plain old drunks.”
They truly are comedy central.
REEFER MADNESS—CLASSIC
@Richard Wheeler:
They want to believe so badly that Obama is a coke head that they’ll just go on manufacturing the entire recorded history of drug dependence to lead up to that one conclusion. It’s almost like if a person wanted to believe so badly that Obama was a foreigner, he started seeing contemporary fonts that didn’t exist back then (!) on his birth certificate. LOL. The truth has been rendered an inconsequential inconvenience to these people. It gets tossed out of the equation without so much as a shrug.
@Richard Wheeler:
Surrender occurs in more places than combat. Check your dictionary.
@Richard Wheeler:
How do you know so much about these anonymous organizations? Are you a member?
@Tom:
I was lucky enough that I understood from childhood that being a drug addict was a result of using drugs. There is no such thing as ‘casual’ drug use. There is only the first step toward addiction.
I especially like this statement by Tom:
So Tom tell us all about your myriad experiences with all these addictive drugs and how you came upon your vast knowledge of them. I’m sure that, along with Rich that you have lots of experience with AA and NA. If your statements are correct the only way you can know all these marvelous benefits of drugs and organizations is personal experience. I prefer to let you keep all that knowledge.
I don’t personally subscribe to the school of thought that I have to be a drug addict to know what it’s harmful effects are.