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It’s HUGE. John Rosenthal at PJ Media:
And thanks to the recent reporting of CNN (where were they and the other media three years ago, when we needed them?), more people will realize that shortly after the passage of Obamacare the Obama administration implemented rules specifically designed to ensure that millions of people — those who provided for themselves on the individual market, i.e., who did not receive coverage through their employer or union — would not be allowed to keep their current insurance. Thus not only were Obama’s assurances untrue; they were purposeful deceit in which a supine press was complicit.
Jay Carney, the Official Propagandist of the Obama regime said:
One of the things health reform was designed to do was to help not only the uninsured but also the underinsured. And there are a number of Americans, fewer than 5 percent of Americans, who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.
Now if you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law and you really liked that plan, you were able to keep it. That’s what I said when I was running for office.
That was part of the promise we made.
No, not 5%. Try 69%.
John Hinderaker at Powerline Blog:
The Obama administration projected low-end, mid-range and high-end estimates for how many plans would be terminated, in total and broken down between large and smaller employers. The bottom line is that the administration expected 51% of all employer plans to be terminated as a result of Obamacare. That is the mid-range estimate; the high-end estimate was 69%. So as of 2010, the Obama administration planned that most Americans with employer-sponsored health care plans would lose them, whether they liked those plans or not.
As for individual, as opposed to group plans, the Obama administration said that data were insufficient to predict how many would lose grandfather status, but in any given year the percentage of such policies losing such status would “exceed[] the 40 percent to 67 percent range.”
Those numbers starkly contradict Obama’s “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” assurances. But it is worth noting that the percentage of pre-Obamacare plans that would terminate within the first few years after the law was enacted isn’t the main point. The administration never intended to allow any American to keep a non-Obamacare insurance policy for any length of time.
And for small business, it’s more like 80%.
Sen. Mike Enzi:
Unfortunately, the regulation writers at the Departments of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services broke all those promises. The regulation is crystal clear. Most businesses–the administration estimates between 39 and 69 percent–will not be able to keep the coverage they have.
Under the new regulation, once a business loses grandfathered status, they will have to comply with all of the new mandates in the law. This means these businesses will have to change their current plans and purchase more expensive ones that meet all of the new Federal minimum requirements. For the 80 percent of small businesses that will lose their grandfathered status because of this regulation, the net result is clear: They will pay more for their health insurance.
Obama said in video that you could keep your plan at least 36 times:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmo[/youtube]
This is not simply a lie. It is a lie of galactic proportions. All hell is going break loose next year when nearly everyone loses their plans, and that is why the employer mandate was delayed. So Obama could lie through another election cycle.
Democrats see the handwriting on wall and are getting skittish:
More than a dozen anxious Senate Democrats facing reelection next year met with President Obama at the White House Wednesday to review the administration’s progress in fixing technical problems hobbling the rollout of the Affordable Care Act.
The website is the least of their problems.
Megyn Kelly asks the obvious:
Megyn Kelly interview Fox editor Chris Stirewalt on a White House press conference with Jay Carney, and the political possibility arose that Obama may have won the 2012 election by lying about ObamaCare.
As if there was any doubt. The real question is- does he ever tell the truth about anything? And when will the press stop treating Obama as a novelty and hold him to account for these lies?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@drjohn:
By the way Dr. J., Obama would love that the main argument in your topic is being deflected. I’m sure he and the democrats would love nothing more than for people to veer off of the healthcare debate and onto brown shirts and birth certificates.
This weekend on the talking heads shows, people actually started talking about the employer mandate. There are a lot of scared democrats out there right now because they know the individual mandate is just the tip of the iceberg. The employer mandate is going to affect 50 times the number of people. When people are tossed out of their subsidized employer healthcare programs and into the exchanges, it will cause a revolt.
Granted, there are dems out there that love every bit of what is going on. They are firmly entrenched in their districts, but for those in Red and Purple States, this is going to be bad. The commercials the GOP will run prior to the 2014 elections will feature all the problems with the individual mandate and tell voters to imagine it on the greater scale that is the employer mandate. Why do you think Obama delayed it until after the 2014 elections?
@Tom:
Tom
This isn’t JFK. It’s Barack Obama. JFK never said he wanted a “civilian defense force.” He wanted a Peace Corps.
Why do you insist on denying what he said and choose to insert your own interpretation?
He said what he said.
Obama also said he wanted to “fundamentally change” this country. This country is fundamentally a Constitutional Republic and I do believe he wants to change that.
Obama has made messianic declarations more than once and I will post them here if you desire.
@Aqua:
Yes, and I have said that here many times.
Obama is a liar, and I also believe he is a sociopath and have said that here as well. I do not believe anything he says and you might remember a couple of posts I wrote that suggested you have to be idiot to believe anything he says.
Obama has made me a prophet.
@drjohn:
OK, I’m going to answer both of your replies in this one. Obama is smart, but he isn’t that smart. Even he knows there is no way to control all the people in this country, even through force. Any action to even attempt such feat would be met with force. The US as it is now, one very large country, could never be controlled by a dictator. It would start a civil war. Obama doesn’t want a civil war.
As for the hoarding of ammo, have you seen this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-epa-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production
Let’s call it inside information. They knew this was coming and that the price of ammo was about to soar because of it.
@Aqua: @Tom:
I think it’s interesting that people say
“That kind of thing could never happen.”
because that’s exactly how 9-11 happened. No one could imagine that ever happening either. And the disbelief is exactly what made it possible.
Obama (and Reid and Pelosi) are maniacs who truly believe that they and they alone should be the arbiters of how you should live your life and what’s right and what’s wrong while they siphon wealth to themselves from their positions.
@Aqua:
I did see that and I’ve been meaning to write about it. They hoard the ammo and then starve the populace of ammunition supply.
Perfect.
They knew about it because they engineered it.
that’s the OBAMA ACTIONS TO USE HIS MULTIPLE AGENCY TO FOLLOW HIS GOAL TO TAKE AWAY THE BUSINESSES IN THE USA AND GIVE IT TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES,
SINCE HE FIRST TOOK CONTROL OF THIS AMERICA,
HE IS RUINING THE MARKET TO SHOW HOW HE CAN TAKE CONTROL,
A BIT AT THE TIME BUT SURELY GRANTING THE UN MORE POWERS,
HE WANT TO JOIN THE GLOBAL ORGANISATION AND MELT THE USA INTO IT SO TO HAVE IT DISAPEAR,
DON’T ANYONE SEE IT? WELL IF YOU DON’T YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF THIS AMERICA,
anything signed by KERRY UNDER OBAMA’S demands OR
BY OBAMA SIGNATURE, IS VOID,
AND WILL NEVER BE RECOGNIZE
AND THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES BETTER GET THAT MESSAGE
AND THAT GOES FOR THE UN, THEY BETTER kNOW IT ,
BECAUSE OF A LITTLE BUT VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL
FORGOT BY OBAMA and KERRY,
THAT IS UNCONSTITUONAL, HE DID NOT GET
THE PEOPLE’S AGREEMENT EVER,
@Redteam: Pls ref. where I said the USMC “taught me name calling”. Heck, I could name call with the best of em as early as high school.
Actually, as an Officer and a Gentleman, by Act of Congress, I deported myself quite well during my years of service.lol. From where do your bad habits stem?
Thanks for your service. To all F.A. VETS–ENJOY YOUR DAY.
Richard Wheeler
SAME WISH RIGHT BACK AT YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE,
NOW BE GOOD
@drjohn:
You know Dr. J., there is a part of me, a small part of me, that actually hopes it happens. It would set off a civil war, quite possibly a peaceful succession, but most likely a civil war. Everything from Texas east and Tennessee south would immediately leave the Union, by force if necessary.
But practically speaking, Obama doesn’t have the numbers. There are some democrats that would love nothing more than to have Obama as a dictator, but the majority would be just as furious as the right if he were to even try.
On a side note, I woke up this morning and turned to my wife and said “your welcome.” She said for what. I said today is Veteran’s day, you’re supposed to thank me. She said, for what? Drinking beer and chasing whores? I love that woman.
Aqua
AND?
no reply? no spit? no flying objects?
just silence?
@Aqua:
Definitely a keeper! 🙂
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Not much I could argue with her there Ms. Bees. We were dating the last year and a half before I got out of the Air Force. I’ve always been honest with her, so she knows what I did before we started dating. I think every military wife and girlfriend knows.
She’s a big supporter of the military, and she’s knows some of the things I’ve done. Some are still classified, but I have no idea why. But she’s right, I did drink beer and chase women I probably wouldn’t take home to meet mom. 🙂
Without interpretation Obama said “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”
1) What power? And by what means will they have control over that power? Power to search your Internet and phone conversations? Power enforced by weapons?
2) How strong? Strong enough to arrest “undesirables” and detain “enemies of the state”? Strength enforced by weapons?
3) Where are these funds coming from? The current DOD budget is over $400,000,000,000. This presumes either a huge tax increase or plummeting the country even deeper into debt!
This organization appears to be a “Defense Corps”. Designed to protect the security of the American people. In the 1920’s an identical defense corps was created. Defense Corps in German is “Schutz Staffel” = SS!
Fortunately most, if not all, of you were not living in Germany between 1939 and 1945 when after the German people had said “This can not happen here”, it did!
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it!”
yes
Aqua
it”s not A good excuse to make you EAT IT ARROGANTLY,
HER WAY TO MAKE YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN LIFE, IS NOT RIGHT,
@ilovebeeswarzone:” A happy wife is a happy life.” Are you married?
@Richard Wheeler:
Thank you to you, Rich, Curt and all the rest of the vets.
@Richard Wheeler:
it was on that thread when you got mad and left the site for a few days last week. I pointed it out to you and said you owed an apology at the time.
Actually I don’t think I have any bad habits, but if I do, I learned them on my own.
Anyhow, Happy vets days and thanks to you and all Vets for your service. We likely would not be having this friendly communication if it were not for the service of all our vets in the past.
@Redteam:” Got mad and left the site for a few days.” LOL
You don’t think you have any bad habits.That figures.
My standing question. Are there any “eligible” Repubs. you’d like to see run for Prez. in 2016?
@Richard Wheeler:
yea, sometime near the end of the week. I’m sure you remember that.
depends on def of bad habit’s, I guess. I don’t smoke, I drink a little beer and wine, been married and faithful to same woman for 53 years. So, no bad habits I can think of.
Not really. Can’t think of any, maybe Allen West. Not Paul. Anyone in the civilized American world would be better than the foreigner we have in the office now.
@Redteam: Allen West couldn’t even get re-elected in his home district.
Dr.Paul is popular with Conservs, and T.P. Why not him? How bout Rvan–what’s his problem?
I thought you said you were a Constitutionalist but not a birther? Where do you think “foreigner” Obama was born?
Redteam
think a bit more<
RICK PERRY, RAND PAUL, YES, MIKE LEE, TED CRUZ, YES THE ONE WHO HAD IT RIGHT AND WAS DEMONIZE FOR BEING RIGHT, SARAH PALIN,
BEN CARSON yes, HE COULD BE A KEY TO RECLAIME THE HEALTHCARE BY THE INSURRANCE BUSYNESS
for the people who lost their insurance and liked it
CHRIS CHRISTIE is a serious oponant,AND MY SURPRISE IS TREY GOWDY,
a few more that i fail their names,
Gerry
I was looking for this one for you ON NUMBER 124 COMMENT
his speech is on the THE link of Scott in Oklahoma,
CHECK IT UP,
BYE
@Richard Wheeler:
RW, you didn’t ask me who I thought could get elected.
Dr Paul’s biggest problem with me is inconsistency. Ryan, not enough experience, though he has infinitely more than Obama.
The same place he thinks he was born.
That’s correct.
Bees: Rick Perry is only a politician interested in himself (like Obama in that respect), Ted Cruz is not eligible, not natural born citizen.(he would be my choice, if eligible)
Ben Carson, seems to be an excellent candidate, but don’t know enough about him yet.
Christie: RINO, just a politician, no standards
Gowdy, don’t know enough about him.
Sarah Palin, excellent person. Would support her if she runs. Has standards and principles, unlike current occupant of White House. I believe she would have gotten elected Pres in ’04 had she been the candidate. She had the misfortune of running with a solid loser.
Mike Lee, don’t know enough about him at this time.
Redteam
MORE,
DARRELL ISSA, GENERAL HAMM, CHECK THIS ONE : CLINT EASTWOOD, MARC LEVINE WOW YES,,
HANNITY, LAURA BUSH would change the school on all fronts and turned it in excellence teaching only THE BEST TEACHERS WOULD PASS AND NO UNION THERE ANYMORE,
AND CHRIS CHRISTY IS VERY GOOD FOR HIS STATE,
IT SHOW HIM AS OPEN AND SINCERE AND NOT PROSTITUTE BY OFFERS OF ANY GIFTS, HE’S NOT FOR SALE,
AND COULD MEND THE TWO SEPARATED AMERICA,
HE LOOK AT YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE AND TELL HIS MIND,
NOT RHINO HE USE WHAT WAS THERE TO HELP HIS STATE IN TIME OF URGENCY,
@Redteam: If you are not a birther that would mean you believe BHO was born in Hawaii- concur.
You’d like to see West run but don’t think he can win? He certainly won’t be soliciting any campaign strategies from you.lol
“Sarah would have been elected in 2oo4,” To what ?? She hadn’t yet run for Gov.and ‘W’ was Prez. Assume you meant 2008. Of course she would have needed to win the nom. first–no way.
Gowdy and Lee Two far right Senators you might like.. Dems would love it if either somehow got the nom.
Bees I love your list. Clint? How bout Sly? Keep em coming.
Been meaning to ask you about Toronto’s crack smoking mayor. A true Conservative isn’t he?
@Redteam:
Boy, Redteam, when you’re wrong, you’re wrong. So why don’t you explain to me why you think Rick Perry is only a politican interested in himself?
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Well, except for when he’s on his knees with his arms wrapped around Obama’s legs begging for handouts.
@Richard Wheeler:
Try as they may, Canada can’t outdo the U.S. They may have a crack smoking mayor, we have a crack smoking president.
@retire05: Agreed!! The Dems are playing up Christie hoping the Republicans would be stupid enough to nominate him. Once they did they would destroy him as quickly!! Nice try but ain’t gonna fly!!
@retire05: Typical o5 heresay and slander. Toronto mayor on film. More of a drunk than a crack head.
CommonSense Actually it’s the voters of N.J. that are playing up Christie 65% win. Dems don’t carel
retire05
yes but he had an urgency and he wanted it now or else,
no matter if he gave him the glory, as long as he give him what he need now. AND THIS WAS DRAGGING TOO FAR,
WE DON’T KNOW HOW HE GOT OBAMA TO COME AND WHAT HE TOLD HIM IN THE SECRECY,
LIKE YOU BETTER GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE OR I SWEAR II WILL
MAKE YOU REGRET IT,
@Richard Wheeler:
So, are you claiming that Obama lied in his own book?
Common Sense
THEY CAN DESTROY ANYONE ELSE WHO IS TO SOFT,
LIKE MITT ROMNEY BESIDE IT WILL BE HILARY RUNNING,
THEN NOT COUNTING 2014 WITH OBAMA,
AND 2016 WITH HILARY,
YOU REMEMBER THE ERROR MADE BY THE REP IN 2012
LEAVING RON PAUL OUT EVEN THAT HE HAD A RIGHT TO COMPETE AND WITH ABOUT 20 THOUSANDS AND COUNTING FOLLOWERS, WHICH MADE THOSES VERY ANGRY AND THEY VOTE FOR JOHNSON,
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO GIVE RON PAUL HIS RIGHTFULY CHANCE TO COMPETE AND HE COULD HAVE AT THE END CEADE HIS FOLLOWERS TO ROMNEY, WHEN HE WOULD HAVE SEEN HIS SHORTS VOTES,
RON PAUL KNEW THIS ELECTION WAS A MUST WIN FOR THEM
EITHER ONE OF THEM, THE LOGIC IS WAS TO CONCEDE,
HE’S SMART ENOUGH TO HAVE DONE IT,
INSTEAD HE HAS HIS CROUD NOT WILLING TO VOTE FOR ROMNEY AT ALL. NOT BECAUSE OF HIM BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE REP DIRTY TRICK HAVE DONE,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Other states have had equal, or worse urgencies, Bees, and their governors didn’t plant their lips on Obama’s ass.
Well, a lot of New Jersey residents are claiming the help they were promised never came, even to today.
And just what was Christie going to do to Obama? Refuse to vote for him?
@ilovebeeswarzone: Spot on!! Republicans need to step up and stop letting Democrats and Rinos dictate who will lead the Party!! In 2010 the Tea Part Patriots and true Conservative Republicans defined Obamacare as the critical issue and historically took back the House. This must be the path to victory in 2014, certainly the failure of Obamacare should be front and center with reality driving the platform!!
we must know who we are against, THE DEMOCRAT AND LEADERS AND UNIONS
will sell their soul to get what they want,
AND USE ANY DIRTY TRICKS AND ANYTHING IMMORAL THAT FITS,
@retire05: Different– You got an incumbent crack smoking mayor who admits to drunkeness
As POTUS BHO hasn’t done drugs or drank beyond moderation. As a young man he admitted to experimenting with drugs. Never wrote or said he “smoked crack.”
Some difference between drug use as a young man and use as an elected mayor.
BTW–I’m not advocating drug use by anyone.
.
RICK PERRY WAS MY CHOICE AND NOW THE PROOF IS SO REAL THAT
HE IS THE BEST FOR THE PEOPLE,
Richard Wheeler
how would you know how much drug and which one he took?
Richard Wheeler
i left out THE CHAIR OF CLINT EASWOOD,
IT MADE A HIT,
@Richard Wheeler:
.
And exactly how do you know that Obama’s drug use was “moderate?” Were you personal friends with him so you can attest to his “moderation?”
You don’t know the extent of his drug use any more than I do. But I do know this: when he used them, he either bought them illegally/used them illegally. But hey, laws are only meant to be broken when it comes to your defending Obama, right?
.
Where did Obama ever use the term “experimenting?” And “experimenting” is just a liberal b/s word for “USING.”
Really? Guess you don’t know what “blow” is then?
SARAH PALIN WILL BE AT FOX TO TALK ABOUT CHRIS CHRISTY AND THE ELECTION,
any minutes now, at HANNITY
@Richard Wheeler: Interested in knowing your source for stating that BHO as POTUS has not done drugs or drank beyond moderation? Good statement and I KNOW you want to believe this. It’s like BHO saying you can keep your insurance and doctor, as we know now it was a lie!! You want to believe but clearly the evidence would argue otherwise. In fact if he had a drug or alcohol problem in might help America understand his failures.
Common Sense
HI
and those two are a brain killer and enhance the anger of an angry already person,
YES IT DEFINE A PERSON,
BYE
@Richard Wheeler:
I meant ’08 of course.
Well, there is the primary process. If he did well in those, then he could proceed. I’m not giving anyone any strategies
Did you intentionally misread what I said? I said I believe he was born where he thinks he was born. Where did his ‘campaign’ say he was born when he was running for US Senator in 2004? And why did they say that if he doesn’t think it?
Don’t know much about them.
Common Sense:
And of course he also claims he stopped smoking. I doubt he has even stopped smoking pot, much less cigarettes. I agree with O5, BHO said he did a ‘little blow’. So many stories out on BHO and his personal life, don’t know which ones to believe.
@retire05: We know Obama used drugs .We know Bush was a drunk.Rumors that he snorted coke while a drunkin Deke at Yale. Obviously we live in a more permissive society.
For the record BHO admitted to snorting blow(coke) not smoking crack. I don’t believe that Bush is a drunk–he’s a recovering alcoholic. I don’t believe BHO is a drug user or an alcoholic. Just my opinion on both men.
@retire05:
Well, as you know I live just over the line from Tx in La and I don’t hear a lot of good things about Perry. I would certainly vote for him if he is the nominee.
I certainly agree with you about Christy, he pretty well prostituted himself last year and basically his actions are the main reason I think BHO got re-elected.
Isn’t it strange how EVERYTHING written about Obama’s birthplace until 2007 said he is a Kenyan, but suddenly he remembered it was in Ha. The cover of his book, the student circular about him being president of Harvard Law Review, all his 2004 campaign literature for Senator, all Kenyan, but he didn’t know about all that false info being put out. When someone called it to his attention in ’07 he started trying to correct the record. But we all know Obama wouldn’t lie about anything, right?
@Redteam: If you don’t believe Obama was born in Hawaii you are a “birther” Why not embrace it like Smorg and others here at F.A?