When I entered the military service 35 years ago, I took an oath ” to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same”. All public officials swear a similar oath when they are admitted to their elected or appointed office. When I entered public employment, I gave up many of the rights that employees in the private sector are entitled to have.
From my first encounter with Drill Sergeant Poindexter to my briefings with General Casey, I was reminded that I represented the US Government 24 hours per day 7 days each week. My actions all reflect on my country both positively and negatively. I was informed that I have no off duty time. I have no private life. I agreed to this when I raised my right hand and took the oath.
As a public official or a military officer everything I do reflects on the ability of my country to successfully govern and interact with other countries in the World. If our President, who also took the oath, lies about anything can the leaders of other countries in the world trust any thing he says? Can this President negotiate agreements with other countries that enhance the safety and welfare of our country?
Legislators also take the oath. When they make a spectacle of their lives and then lie about it, doesn’t that affect the country to which they swore allegiance? Who can trust a liar? It matters not what he lied about, he is a proven liar.
In the military, a DUI, an adulterous affair or associating with the wrong organization are “private” issues in a civilian job. In the military, I can be discharged from service and may face loss of pension or other judicial action. While this seems wrong by private sector employees, it is expected of government employees.
What we as voters should be loudly asking is why do the liberals exempt other liberals from the oath they took? Why do liberals get a pass with no consequences? What happened to all of those swamps that were supposed to be drained?
Why is it that in our nation, which used to be great, only the scum of the earth seems to rise to the top to rule over us???
Democrats, Republicans = SCUM. They can go to hell.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-06-13/anthony-weiner-and-bill-clinton-democrats-ridiculous-double-standard/
Michael Medved comments on Clinton and Weiner and the Democrats inconsistencies.
Still looking for Palin’s e-mails:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/alaska_investigates_apparent_g.html
Politicians and diapers both need to be changed for the same reasons.
@randy (#2):
I made the following comment on the Medved/Daily Beast site:
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
With regard to the question: “why do the liberals exempt other liberals from the oath they took? Why do liberals get a pass with no consequences? What happened to all of those swamps that were supposed to be drained?”
You probably missed it when Pelosi (and other prominent Democrats) called on Weiner to resign. Pelosi was obviously in no position to prevent Weiner’s actions. All she could do was to respond appropriately, when the news broke. Which she did.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
Add to that Leon Panetta, The symphesiser and member of the Communist Party USA, and one can see that the oath they take is nothing but a formality.
I would urge everyone to read Trevor Loudon, and Kincaids research regarding Panetta’s active member ship of the Communist Party, and wonder why was he the head of CIA, and now moving onto the DOD?
Something is really stinking up the joint!
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Larry, if you call raping women a witch hunt you are right. The issue Clinton faced was he lied under oath as a public official. He later admitted it or tried to weasle out of it.
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Yes, Larry, I noticed the censure that the liberals made. It looks like he will take a leave of absence with pay. What about Maxine Waters. How are you going to justify her behavior? What about all the stimulus money that went to improve the water front in SF where Pelosi and her hubby has so many investments? What about Barney Frank’s partner running a male prostitute operation out of his home?
Larry, the difference is that the conseratives push out those who violate the trust of their nation. Liberals make excuses. Spin that!
@Ivan: Lies and perversion are like dead fish and shit! They both float!!! Good write up Randy!!! Ivan I could not agree more, they either need to completely clean house and reveal the truth of this administration and their involvement or know THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT THEM!!!!!! CLEAN UP OR GET OUT!!!
Clinton was put in a position that he had to declare the relationship with Monica, or his parties of three or more would eventually becoming public knowledge! Yes you are right it is not the same as Weiner! It is much worse and it would have been a total shame to the United States otherwise!!! The Liberal Double Satandard Continues!!!!! (Satandard – A Standard set buy Satan and used by Liberals you know Socialistic -Communist)
Check out this Malkin article today if you want more of the same! http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2011/06/15/capitol_hills_other_dirty_laundry/page/full/
@Randy: Randy Get um! They cannot limit the amount of ammo you carry here! Fire away Soldier….If you need a few more magazines let me know! Fire at will!!!!
This isn’t a debate, it’s a pep rally.
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Yes I guess you could call it a pep rally! but at least it is not a snake pit like the liberals make! We are happy when we see other Americans know how to process facts and not opinions………Opinions that are based on the parties thoughts don’t hold water….but when they are based on fact you can actually build your life around them! Why are they not publicizing the emails from Palins files…… Maybe they are having to train a staff of brainless idiots to read them through socialistic communist eyes…….Maybe they found out she is not like them and genuine! And that her “Agenda” is to really try to make America better, or maybe the realistic matter in her emails cause their socialistic – communist programming to freeze up!!!! Like a bad computer program!!!
@JV (#14): Brave, strong words, surrounded, as you are, by your teammates. Let’s see you go say stuff like that on some liberal equivalent of Flopping Aces. Don’t know of one? Let me help you: http://directory.etalkinghead.com/?ax=list&cat_id=2
Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Just so you will know….I do not dig in the garbage to find food, or go to the junk yard to find clothes! Neither would I waste my time even trying to discuss any matter with a group of people who defy truth and wouldn’t even recognize it if it jumped up and bit them in the rectum! If you had a little more wisdom you would understand that there is no benefit to even trying to hold any conversation with people who are blindly brainwashed and do not conceive the most basic principles of morality and understanding! Which is in essence the same as putting clothes on a pig! Comprehending that even if you win the debate they will continue to be what they are, understanding that it is easier for them to deny the truth and continue…rather to admit they are wrong and change their direction and thought!
Been there done that and it is a futile effort! How many Communist have you seen change by the way of words? They only change by hunger, disaster, or their own destruction!
Larry,
Have you ever noticed the lack of conservative guests on left-wing sites?
When I was new to the computer I thought all blogs would welcome other-than-”pep rally” viewpoints.
I was wrong.
You know my comments are not rabid.
Yet I have been banned by Daily Kos, DemocraticUnderground, Little Green Footballs, and a few others whose names escape me now.
Some of these blogs or sites won’t even tell you you’ve been banned…..they can mirror your comments on your computer while NOT showing them to their other readers!
Pretty nasty, huh?
But you really have to be out of line to be banned from most right-leaning sites.
Dirty, spamming, name-calling attacks can lead to a banning.
But not simply expressing an alternate viewpoint.
@Nan G: So true!!!… In fact on many issues when I wanted to make commentary…fact that totally destroyed what they were trying peddling on Yahoo, MSN, and others they would not post the comment! What they would post is the radical comments made by many that would help service to make anyone who opposed it as being ignorant and ill-logical…hence using the screening of commentary to only serve their purpose!!
@nan: There are hundreds of liberal blogs. You give examples of extreme cases. Here’s a great blog where you won’t get kicked out for simply expressing a contrarian opinion, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/ , but where you’ll be outnumbered by liberals. I think it’s very easy to determine the culture of the blog, just by skimming through a few articles and associated commentary. There are lots of liberal leaning blogs where people will allow you to present and debate contrarian views, if you are really interested in doing that sort of thing (which you should, because actually persuading a few people to understand and occasionally accept your point of view is considerably more rewarding and productive than chanting in a Greek chorus, surrounded by fellow Greeks).
I get really depressed when I read glittering generalities like those of JV on this thread. There was another recent thread where someone named “Faith” insisted “liberals are amoral.” How in the world did we get to the point where we have as much hatred for our own countrymen as we have for our true enemies?
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Dah? If this way of thinking is destroying our society and all that we hold precious, and it is!……….What in the hell are you going to get angry about if not that? In case you didn’t realize life only began after Philosophy 101, life itself is not Philosophy! Graduate and join the reality of life! If you get your head out of the clouds maybe you will stop stepping in things that are not pleasant to wipe off you feet!
Your question: How in the world did we get to the point where we have as much hatred for our own countrymen as we have for our true enemies?
The answer: By Socialist Communist (Liberals) coming into our society and corrupting our government and way of life!
@VL. So “liberals” are “Socialist Communists?”
Did FDR corrupt our way of life? Did Harry Truman? Did John Kennedy? Did LBJ? Did Jimmy Carter? Did Bill Clinton? Did Barack Obama? Did Theodore Roosevelt?
I added the last, because Theodore Roosevelt was, by objective criteria, more of a “Socialist Communist” than Barack Obama. So, did the only guy on Mt Rushmore who wore glasses “corrupt our way of life?”
I don’t think that you and I are destined to have any worthwhile conversations.
As I wrote, it’s pretty depressing.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
Are they selling keyboards now with only an exclamation point (!) for punctuation? I would love to get my hands on one of those. It would make everything I write sound more exciting. Let me trying that again. It would make everything I write sound more exciting!
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Now now lets don’t show our profound ignorance!!! Including Theodore Roosevelt in this pack of liars and playboys just don’t fit! Maybe your learning of history is so corrupt you need to go back to school! (a reputable school ) like VMI or the Citadel and not in Cali-fornica !
Just so you will know I have relatives who served with Theodore Roosevelt (they are now deceased) and good for you they or him aren’t around anymore, because they would boot you out into the Pacific ocean with a size 1o! You have no idea of the man you are referring to, and you group him with a bunch lying, immoral, dishonest,cheating, womanizers! Harry Truman as well, I may not agree with the policies he used, but he definitely does not belong in this group you put together! He was a very humble and honest man and not like the likes of these criminals you put him with! You need help seriously!!!
@JV. Your replies, as on the other thread, illustrate my point better than I’m able to do.
With someone else, there could have been a very interesting discussion, comparing and contrasting the political positions, legislative initiatives, etc. etc. between Barack Obama and Theodore Roosevelt. We both might have learned something. But you are interested in nothing of the sort. You are only interested in ranting and ventilating.
As I said, we seem destined not to have any worthwhile discussions.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
@Tom: Well you see Tom it is a matter of Biology and Science… You see unless you write like the house is on fire you liberals (socialistic communist) just don’t get it! and even after we explain it you in five different ways you still don’t get it! The human body ( I guess liberals still are human) has a great ability to compensate. So as the mind is trained by liberalistic thought it only focus on the little points that are so really insignificant, therefore the brain begins to decrease in size, hence the skull grows thicker to compensate for the room that was once filled with normality. Once a person has reached the advanced stages of liberalism the punctuation needs to be stronger otherwise they can not realize how serious you are and think you are only engaging in a philosophical conversation instead of meaning real business because our country is about to slip off it to hell!!!! Get It!!!!
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Larry you do not have humility…which proves that were you try to put your self is nothing more than an exercise of self glorification! You are simply like your god, your leader, your hero! Everything you say is right even if others state the absurdity of your view.
@J V Hoffman:
Haha! Good rant and very funny. Don’t you think, as far as perpetual states go, funny is better than angry?
If you would indulge me, I can think of two reasons your theory may be flawed. 1) Being angry all the time will inevitably desensitize your audience to the point where everything from “Our country is going to hell!” to “This soup is too hot!” will blend into one tepid rant of equal magnitude. 2) The risk that a person will be viewed as a completely unhinged lunatic, and thus dismissed out of hand, increases exponentially with the usage of each additional consecutive explanation point (this has been scientifically proven). I think you have too many interesting things to offer to let this happen to you, thus I felt compelled to broach this delicate matter of internet etiquette. Forgive any offense, for none was intended.
@JV (#26).
Have a nice day.
@Tom: If you think the fathers of this nation were not angry, and frustrated about matters (You know to the point they declared independence and went to war!) then you are completely delusional, and really need to be re-educated. Besides I find most all of you liberals amusing! How it is even possible you think anyone would buy the stupidities you peddle is beyond me!
John Galt and Curt -Marine to Marine- Is this guy Hoffman a raving lunatic or am I missing something?
@F/A aficionados in general:
- Desiderata
What a matter did hurt some poor little liberals feelings? Can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen! You remind me of the Vietcong who ran across borders instead of standing the fight! Liberals and Communist are all the same, all the world over!
Personally I think that Liberals would make great gardeners, they would have a better turnover of profits! Because they would never have to buy fertilizer!!!
As Randy Stated in the beginning of his article : When I entered the military service 35 years ago, I took an oath ” to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same”.
You bunch of liberals are the enemy (Socialistic Communist) You are the domestic enemy of America just like Jihadist Hillary and the Kenyan! Still crying? Need a towel?
@J V Hoffman:
I’m surprised you have no curiosity regarding how others who think differently than you feel about this or any other topic. The concept that there’s a definitive right and wrong way to think and feel about everything, besides being about the most destructive and dangerous idea known to man, seems far-fetched to me. There are too many variables and unknowns for anyone to feel certain he’s figured it all out. Therefore, it occurs to me that the only course of action that can reasonably be labeled “stupid” is one that intentionally seals a person’s thought process off like a vault, not allowing new ideas, information and opinions to enter.
@Tom: Sounds like a bunch of double talk to me! What is your point do you even know yourself? I guess when our forefathers who even made flags like “don’t tread on me” and “Liberty or Death” and they were a banner for all of those who cherish freedom that also is extreme in the eyes of you liberals (socialist-communist). So I guess anyone who does not fall into the line of the disillusional line of Liberal thinking is just stupid!
What you guys perpetuate is completely foreign to everything this country was founded on and ever fought for. If you want to live in a Socialistic Communistic country then do it! But don’t expect me or others to except your liberal line of thinking.
You talk about “internet etiquette” ? Oh this is what you call the slander of the liberals you amaze me! Yea, Weiner is a specialist in this matter! It is incomprehensible how the liberals use double standards and try to throw terms such as internet etiquette! Are you sure you are not a member of the Shiites, Hamas, Fatah or the Hezbollah? They cry and think much the same way.
All of you with your double standards. The main difference between a liberalist (socialistic communist) is that the terrorist have the balls to use a gun and crazy enough to blow themselves up! While you liberals just legislate us to death, continue raise taxes and spend money like their is no tomorrow, and regulate the hell out of our soldiers so they can not even defend themselves, while your heroes playing with themselves on the computer! Really sane behavior now isn’t it!
All liberals/socialists are amoral.
“Thou shall not steal” End of argument – end of socialism and all of its ugly collectivist relatives. They not only condone theft by the mob/government but they promote and encourage it. Liberal followers have no concept of the ideas of liberty and individual rights but their leaders do, and those ideas must be destroyed in order for them to maintain and increase their power. Liberals believe the mystical, indefinable “common good” takes precedence over individual rights with no understanding of the consequences. All liberals (and many on the Right) are herd animals. They fear freedom and fear self responsibility so they need a strong leader ( a parent replacement) to think for them and provide for all of life’s problems. An independent individual who wishes to stray from the herd to go his own way is perceived as a threat to their comfortable collectivist thinking.
JV Hoffman, yes they don’t get it. they understand only you’re talk as anger toward human,
but they don’t complain TO those who does real dammage in AMERICA, NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY
TO CONVINCE THEM, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW IT SOUND LIKE DEJA VU,
IN THE 2008 ELECTION? HERE AT FA IT WAS FIRE TO TRY TO GET THEM TO COME BACK TO THEIR SENSE, OUR AUTHORS AND COMMENTERS WHERE WORKING SO HARD TO TELL THEM
OF FUTURE DAMMAGE COMMING AT THE DOOR OF ALL AMERICANS,
I was a new blogger and saw them reach out to the brothers AMERICANS, with full proofs,
I thought well maybe they are too strongly pushing it in their troats just a bit,
and soon after the election, there it started , the politic of division, the sneaky race card game, the cutting the rich to give the poor, as if It had never happenned before, but this time it would be done by the GOVERNMENT ,
and then the spending moneys of the TAXPAYERS began for their friends only, F..K AMERICA SHE MUST
BE TEACHED A LESSON AND APPOLOGYSE TO AMERICAN HATERS FOR WHAT SHE DOES FOR
FREEDOM, SHE MUST SPILL SOME MORE BLOOD WHILE WE WILL SEND OUR ASTRONAUTS TO TEACH YOU THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF SPACE, WE WILL DIMINISH AMERICA TO FIT YOUR SIZE, SO YOU WON’T SEND US ANY MORE BOMBS, WE WILL STOP THE PURSUE OF NUCLEOR ARMS,
SO YOU WILL BECOME AS POWERFULL AS WE WHERE.
all this and more while they are spending AMERICA AWAY.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees so true my friend! So true! Even to my disappointment!
@J V Hoffman:
I poked fun at your curious choice in punctuation and you called me a terrorist. I guess we’re even.
I have read on other threads references by the mods that lead me to believe you are the real deal. I’ve also read you bragging about being friends with all sorts of important people on the Right, Netanyahoo, Reagan,etc. I am a little stunned, because I initially suspected you were a brilliant hoax dreamed up by some stoned kid at NYU rather than a real flesh and blood person. But I suppose you are the real deal, the definitive hard-right warrior, and I should feel honored that you deigned respond to me at all. Thank you for taking the time, and for putting my mind at ease. I will sleep like a baby tonight knowing Barrack Obama is in power.
@Tom: Yes but like all liberals (Socialistic Communist) you will wake up to a nightmare tomorrow! promise! It is for sure! Oh and understand Babies are totally cognitive of what is going on around them so it will probably and most certainly be a real nightmare!!!
@J V Hoffman:
Classic response! Last question: When Kubrick was writing Dr Stranglove, did he interview you?
P.S. – I gave you a thumbs up for that.
@Tom: Afraid not big boy! I am the real deal. You pegged me correctly. I am a real conservative and a real soldier against terrorism,an American, a Jew, an Israeli, and a Southerner. You may not like me but I am here a thorn in the side of everyone who may endanger what I see from my life’s experience what I know is true and what is right!
Just like me forefathers I don’t give an inch. I will defend freedom and liberty anywhere I have to do so. I have killed more terrorist than any of you liberals have ever known…an you know what” the pursuit of freedom is endless” those are the words of George Washington the father of our country.
@J V Hoffman:
I do like you. I find you to be an extremely interesting person and I admire your vigor. I only wish you would take up the challenge offered to you time and again for a free and civil exchange of ideas, because I think it would benefit us all see you move beyond platitudes. But as an avatar of freedom, I respect your choice to remain elusive.
@JV (#41):
You know, in nearly 20 years of debating with all manner of people on Internet discussion groups (and my most rancorous debates have been with liberals, rather than conservatives), I’ve never had the slightest concern about standing tall and expressing my First Amendment rights under my own name, but you truly scare me — talking/bragging in the manner you do. Just being so cavalier and full of certitude and dismissive and contemptuous, but also putting all that Black Ops street cred right out there. Beating your chest.
You really do scare me. I’m not scared by your words or your ideas. I’m scared because I worry that you may have a bigger gun than I have and may be a better shot and that you might get the drop on me.
Congratulations. You’ve done what Mike couldn’t do and what Aye couldn’t do and what Hard couldn’t do and what Retire couldn’t do. You’ve scared me right off of this blog. I’m afraid that I might one day say something which makes you go postal.
You are one scary dude. It’s so sad that America has actually come to this.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
jv, I love the way you tell it. Randy too. Keep it up boys , fire them ole bullets of freedom at those nasty liberals.
When this country is gone, there is no place else to go. Nada. None. History is telling us that it isn’t going to get any better. Things aren’t better morally or fiscally. They only get worse. The things that are acceptable to some, a lot, of people, are perversions. But then again, that’s the argument isn’t it, who’s brand of perversion? Well I know what mine aren’t and they aren’t the ones being taught in school today.
Thank you both for your service to the United States of America
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Why do you bother hiding behind something you are bent on destroying? The First Amendment? I was serving this country most of that time providing freedom for a bunch of unappreciative numb nuts like you! From 1974 until 1984 I served in 6 different countries so we would not have to fight terrorism here! But do not worry if Barry Boy keeps it up it will be on your door step soon! You can’t have much more than a BB gun in Cali-fornica! I wouldn’t live in a communist a State anyway! If I had knew then what I know today I would have did my job with a lot more fervor!!!
@Tom: Tom I honestly mean no harm or bad to anyone here. Anybody who knows me also knows that I will give them the food off my plate and the shirt off my back. I have never had the luxury of fantasy and have been forced to live in reality, harsh realities! I have six children and eight grand children and all of them are better than I am. Because of one simple reason…they know that their Dad and Grand Daddy gave up his life to make sure they would not have to go to war. Because war is the most ugliest aspect of humanity! I just fully understand who we are up against and I am saying what I have seen and experienced and the enemy is growing as we are rocked a sleep. I even wish I was young again to be able to go instead of these young men today.
I have had to taste the bitter herb that politicians sow without thought and I wish that others would never have to taste the same. But honestly we are being marched right into the fire and so many want to believe it is all for good!
openid.aol.com/runnswim hi,
you know you come here in a CONSERVATIVES BLOG, you have to expect to encounter
some PATRIOTS, and some of them have endured for many years fighting the ennemies sending them in the pit of hell, they came back ,a few of them only to retire with their injurys and scars,
you come here free as a bird not concious of which will answer to your comment defending your side of politic
which is between two evils as now, and one is dangerous for AMERICA AND NOT CARING FOR HIS PARTY BUT ONLY CARING FOR HIS IMAGE HE WANT TO PROJECT TO KEEP THE ADORATION OF THE YOUTH IN AMERICA WHERE THEY ARE TOLD LIES AND OR IGNORANCE OF WHAT THE REALITY IS,
NUMBER TWO IS THE PARTY YOU REPRESENT SO SCARE TO LOOSE THEIR INFLUENCE AMONG THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS THAT THEY ARE HIDING THE REAL DANGER THEY ARE FACING, AND WONT COME IN FRONT OF AMERICA TO TELL, FOR THE SAKE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THEY WILL ALLOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN AMERICA,THEY HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO SERVE AND THEY CANNOT SERVE THEMSELF AND DESPERATE TO CONTINIUE INSTEAD OF CONFRONTING THE TRUTH,
AND YOU ARE IN FRONT OF A TRUE PATRIOT, WHICH EARNED THE LANGUAGE HE USE TO EXPRESS HIS VIEWS, he paid the price you just have to listen and put up with it , you did not go through his life, so if you learn to patiently listen to the patriots and their way of talk it won’t kill you,
they deserve our high respect when they come back from hell to protect your right to speak, they are the keeper of the OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION AND WE LEARN A LOT FROM THEIR WORDS IF WE LISTEN,
NOW SOME HAVE RETIRED AND CAN SPEAK THEIR HEART AND SOUL FOR AMERICA,
LET THEM HAVE THEIR SAY AND LEARN FROM WHAT THEY KNOW SOMETHING MORE THAN WE’LL EVER KNOW IN A LIFETIME
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Clinton was the victim of a witchhunt?? Clinton, a married man as well as Gov. of Arkansas and later President of the United States, chose to cheat on his wife, have numerous adulterous affairs, and ultimately, engage a young woman in sex in the Oval Office of the White House, and then lie to the American people about it. And he is a “victim” because people found out about it?? His behavior was as much a personal choice as Weiner’s was – they both have some serious personal issues, my friend.
@openid.aol.com/runnswim:
You probably missed, or are perhaps conveniently ignoring, the simple fact that the Dim leadership including Madame Pelosi rallied round Weiner.
In fact, within the course of one day, as the scandal continued to swell, Pelosi expressed her support then did a complete about face a few hours later and called for his resignation instead.
So…you think it was appropriate for Madame Pelosi to support the Weiner tweeter in the beginning days of the scandal. Got it.
Yes…she was for the Weiner before she was against it.
They say that ”sunshine is the best disinfectant.”
So, here is an invitation posted internally at Eric Holder’s DOJ…..to all 815 Civil Rights Division employees.
US taxpayers will cover the costs of the beer, the wine, the snacks AND the salaries!
These federal employees are GS-15 ($123,758 – $155,500) .
Also invited to the party are numerous Senior Executive Service employees making $145,700 to $199,700.
Turns out there are two public streets that lead to that party site.
I wonder if they are going to take it inside?
The public now knows when and where.
@Aye: You Know Aye we just need to get a pair of those Rosey optical glasses the Liberals wear……You know the ones that cause you to lost all sight of logic, once you peer at matters through them morality is no longer a consideration, and the criminals like these politicians are victims. As far as the actions recently taken concerning Weiner politicians like Pelosi and all the others only took a stance to save their own creditability!
AYE, hi,
WEINER IS A LOUD SPEAKER, THEY DID NOT WANT TO LOOSE,
and when they figured that, it realy hit their own DEMOCRAT PARTY
WHICH LIKE TO BE CALL MADAM AND IMPOSE ON ON ALL THE PEOPLE,
INCLUDING THE MILITARYS, so, to loose a front arrogant loud mouth that
WILL YELL for their politic
like a bulley, is a hard blow to see him leave, they forgot that the PEOPLE DON’T FOLLOW THEIR WISHES ANYMORE,
THEY DID IT TO THEMSELF
@Aye: Aye, maybe that frozen face means she actually was against the weiner!
There’s a tune floating around the airwaves now ” Walking in my woman’s underwear”.
Weiner was after the transvestite, cross dressing, and gay marriage vote.
Next is the shape shifter and rubber doll vote.
In New York City, life can be a drag.
Weiner is definitely a keeper.
Let him stick it out.
This is a total aside to Randy’s original post, and for that I’m sorry, Randy. But I really have to say this.
JV Hoffman, I know you’re a new entry here. But I’ve been scratching my head raw, wondering why the heck you have gone from the guy who Skook felt comfortable enough to go out on a “no no” limb by posting your readers post under his own name… and that initial more courteous and eloquent commentary when you started here… to someone who (as Larry puts it) lives on the edge of “postal”.
I’m not even that far from disagreeing with you on many issues, but I can’t help but feel the same way. Your total 180 from your original comment style just a few weeks ago, to now, have been nothing short of astonishing.
We’ve all known Larry on this blog for years. He’s been a worthy adversary in commentary and alternative views. And even tho he and I have gone head to head with some unsavory ‘tudes and words, and been frustrated with repeated views and misunderstood interpretations, I’ve always welcomed his voice.
It’s certainly Larry’s choice to move on. And I’d no more give you “credit” for that event than you are due. Frankly, I think you are simply the straw that broke the back of too much hyperbole that appears here from time to time, while exercising our first amendment and releasing political frustration. Hang… when it’s the dominant voice on any particular thread here, even me… an author… wants to find a bunker to avoid what I consider embarrassing association. With most, it’s just on occasion and reflexive. That has not been so with you.
I’ve been pretty busy, making a living outside FA, but it’s been quite overt – even by my occasional and casual monitoring – that you have planted yourself at FA since your quasi guest reader post 24/7, and not in a communicative manner that I find appealing. I’m all for debate, but frankly one trick monkey hyperbole and full auto/no safety settings for conversation bores me to tears.
But what I will say to you is this. You claim you mean “no harm” and tout your humanity and caring…. save for the “enemy”. I suggest you need to redefine your “enemy” before you decide to type your future comments here. Larry, who is a mixture of liberal/fiscal conservative, is not the “enemy” who “we are up against”. In a political election, yes… he is the opposing political view. But because this nation is comprised of those with opposing political views, we do our battle at the ballot box.
But to compare Larry to the VC you supposedly ran into in @your comment above is frankly one more reason why I think you’re all talk, and not anything resembling the action figure of the same name that you apparently think is named after you. I’ve known warriors in my lifetime of all stripes, all degrees of combat level and at all levels of classified existance. I know few who have been exercising such venom against fellow Americans, especially on a discussion blog, just because they hold opposing political beliefs. Instead, you simply open fire, without knowing the forum personalites with whom you are dealing.
Tell me, if you’re such a hot shot intel guy, is research of your supposed “enemy” optional?
Here’s the bottom line. My respect for you bottomed out a few weeks ago. And frankly, I don’t care if this does, or doesn’t bother you. But I want it on record that while I appreciate your heart and passion for our common goals for this country, I find your method of political combat of late nothing more than reprehensible.
I’m not in a position to be judgmental of anyone’s behavior on a message board, because I’ve lost my cool on many occasions and said some pretty outrageous things, but I can state that witnessing Larry debate in an often hostile environment without ever losing his cool was an eye-opener for me. (I should add that Slookum’s ability to negate hostility with humor was also illuminating.) I think this board will be a much less interesting place without Larry and I wonder if I’ll be back as often. I’d feel the same way about a liberal board that made someone like Mata or Wordsmith unwelcome. Interesting and well-expressed perspectives are not exactly in surplus on the internet so chasing one away is quite a waste.
@MataHarley: So it okay her for people to talk about what they really have no real knowledge about! But excuse me if offended another armchair professor! So tell me I am curious how many have you convinced with all of your paste on legal decisions and legislative records? And do you realize how many times in the short time I have been that you wonder off in some library of statistics that do not even stay on the main drive of the subject?
When it comes to what Communism and Socialism can do to a country and what it is to combat terrorism I know! I did not learn what I know from a computer screen. And as far as scholastic and academical studies I have those as well. But I also know that when you try to float in the academical clouds and think you are getting through to liberals you are sadly deceived. We are far beyond the point of hackling over what judge said or ruled on what, or what some legislator thinks.
If you knew what life is in the Middle East and the magnitude of error and fault in the things he (Larry) was saying you might see things a little different. To suggest the Assimilation of a complete race of people (the Jews) finds favor in your eyes I understand. His presentation was nothing more that lie and falsehood dressed around a nice story about his family. Which by the way is a common practice of the liberals!
If you had done your homework you would surely view that I do not attack anyone with out being attacked first, but if some one liner drive by wants to throw insults and rocks I respond!
Mataharley when you yourself are giving a good point I even say so and compliment…Do you? or are you caught up in some philosophic debate and miss the reality of issues….Just like the drug testing issue last week…you refused in the face of multiple commentaries even by others to even recognize any glimmer of what the reality is concerning those of us who pay those taxes.
Maybe if you had been in countries that have gone down the road that this country is approaching you would you would understand that the real enemy is Americans who are totally contaminated and caught up in the liberal socialistic communistic thought. It is obvious you did not pay any real attention to the substance of the comments they made and how irrational they were, but never mind.
I will not stoop to the level of casting unfounded judgement as you have but I will ask you some questions since you think you have a handle on it all. You don’t even have to answer, because really I could care less. Because you need to redefine what an” American” is maybe!
Is being an American just having an US citizenship? or is it supporting and standing behind all that our forefathers of this Couuntry set it forth to be,which they themselves fought for with fervor greater than mine?
Is being an American supporting the principles of socialism and transforming them into our society by political manipulation? Do you not think our forefathers would have tried them for treason? Yes they would!
Is being an American not being able to say the “Pledge of Allegiance” in school or even to offer a prayer?
Who brought that about? Who attacked the US Naval Academy for these same issues just last year? You want to call these your Americans?
Is being an American not allowing a plane of Marines to land in California because they were coming home from serving in Afghanistan? Americans would not allow the very soldiers that are giving their lives to protect freedom so that we will not have to fight it here in the streets?
Is being an American approving and supporting a government that has given more than $148 billion in a little over one year away to countries who despise Americans and support terrorism on all fronts…while Americans are out of work and see no near hope of having it and so many are homeless as well due to natural disasters the government know was coming and ignored? Any American who has a conscience would do such?
I could go on and on with more examples and examples. But the simple equation is if these people were really “Americans” as you call it…they could not allow these things to occur! Mataharley Americans do not do these thing to our country unless they are enemies and traitors!
I am without question that our forefathers are turning in their graves and ten times sicker than you will ever be from anything I have said, and they all would say with one voice this socialistic communist crowd that we have visit here are not REAL AMERICANS!
Tom and Mata Well said and I CONCUR. Larry is a class act and I also agree Mata ,Word and Skook are great spokespersons for the Conservative cause.Recent commentary has brought an ugly and divisive element to the fore which is unfortunate and I believe detrimental to the Party in it’s attempt to influence independants and moderates.
I pulled you out of the mod filter on this one, JV. And you did not disappoint or surprise me with your comment.
After all your huffing and puffing of self defense for your uncivil approach to anyone who disagrees here, let’s bring this down to the basics of what I said, shall we?
First of all, you have “stooped” so damned low that I’ve been embarrassed to call you a conservative and an ally in political beliefs. But let’s never mind that. The money statement is exactly what I said… that you need to redefine your “enemy”.
There is no one more cognizant than I that generations of social justice indoctrination is having it’s effect upon our citizens and voters, JV. But I don’t consider them “my enemy”. Americans are not my “enemies”. I consider them my misguided, and in need of re’education, fellow Americans. They either come to that realization after a cogent debate, or they are basically socialist in nature.
Guess what… in the country my Founding Fathers created, even a socialist could live here, espouse opinions, and vote. It’s the task that falls to the rest of us to debate and correct the social justice indoctrination to hold what is near and dear to my, and other Constitutionalists’, hearts. After that, what I value most is our system where the voting bloc speaks and decides… at least for that election cycle.
If you ever think you can influence anyone, your style and approach is doomed to failure. You isolate even allies… something you have in common with this POTUS. Ever thought about that? Heaven help us if you’re in intel. From all you’ve written since you’ve been here, I can only see reasons why our intel is likely to be limited. Obviously, you don’t know how to conjole willing intel and gain moles.
But thanks for the confirmation that you classify Americans who don’t share your views right along side of the Islamic Jihad Movement. Didn’t suspect it to be anything different, and that’s my problem with you and your debate approach. Unlike Larry, I don’t “fear” you. But I find you to be more misguided than you’ll ever recognize. And I suspect that your resume is nothing more than fantasy. If it’s not, we’re in a world of hurt.
@MataHarley: So why don’t you define domestic enemies! You seem to know so much! What is a Domestic Enemy? Why do we have the second amendment? And what is the most important factor of that Amendment? “The Right to Assembly” What Assembly is completely beyond your understanding. Cyber professors don’t cut it with me and your method only facilitates the continued journey of their bliss! I know in your sweet little perfect world terrorist only carry guns and run through the jungle….but you are very wrong! And the Constitution even gives us the provision in the second amendment to take up arms if the government goes too far off course! But that does not allow much room for lofty intellectual pursuit like you love to share with the likes of these. Fantasies are more realized in you thought that you project here making a legal discussion over matters that legislation is exactly what got us where we are today! Don’t worry if things don’t change you may find yourself in one of Obama’s internment camps and then my words will find a bitter reality with you.
Mata says to JVH “I suspect that your resume is nothing more than fantasy.If it’s not, we’re in a world of hurt.” ROGER THAT
I’m not worried about how I consider “domestic enemies”, JV. What worries me is what someone of your mentality considers that. Our domestic enemies are those that work outside our laws to subvert and overthrow our nation. Last I looked, expression of opinion and utilizing our First Amendment (i.e. Larry and others), is not enough to be on the domestic enemies list.
But should you continue to tout armed insurrection, first ignoring our options at the ballot box to change directions, I’m sure you’ll make that list. Our Founders and Framers considered it our last option against those in control, seizing unConstitutional powers with the aid of our Congress, military and judicial system… not one to silence political opposition.
@J V Hoffman:
Uhhh… Assembly is not in the Second, but rather the First.
LOL rich… one of those rare concession moments between those of opposite political beliefs, yes?
I’m still wondering when “Mr. Intel” will figure out that the “right to assemble” is the first 1st Amendment, and the 2nd Amendment is the RKBA.
But hey… he’s “Mr. Intel”.
Frankly, I think Hoffman’s a gamer functioning on too little reading and too much caffeine.
Aye… so nice to have you back. I see we are within minutes of the same observation. Guess that’s why sometimes people thought you and I were the same cyber persona. Tho I tried to give “Mr. Intel” expert the moment to figure it out on his own.
Uh… can anyone say “discredited” commenter? Dang…. hope so. Nothing I’d be more fearful of than a supposed “intel” op who didn’t know the difference between the 1st and 2nd amendments.
we are a world apart from the PATRIOTS WHICH HAVE ENDURED, AND ARE BEGINNING TO STEP UP A FEW NOTCHES, as the clock thick tack, tick tack, toward 2012, they are telling the truth as they know it from HELL THEY WHERE, as we lived a normal life detached from them, we don’t know their names,
some are so young still finding hard to comply with the discipline, they fget punish, they do their punishment,
they are in the shit again the next couple of days and punish again under a guy leading with harsh punishment,
if he happen to single out one, that one which is making mistake will do as an exemple to the rest of the group.
CHRISMAS NIGHT HE IS ON DUTY PACING OUTSIDE, FULL GEAR ON, his compagnons come out feeling rotten to see that one always being pick at and punished.
HEY, ARE YOU OKAY? YA !!! COME WITH US NOW ,YOU’RE DONE WITH IT, NO, I JUST WANT TO BE ALONE, THANK’S GUYS!!! OH GEEZ WHAT IS THAT, OH NO, HE SHOT HIMSELF IN THE BATHROOM
HE LEFT A NOTE TO SAY HOW SORRY HE IS TO BE SO ROTTEN AND MAKE SO MANY MISTAKES,
YES IT’S HELL IN THERE, AND OUR YOUNG AND OLD HAVE ENOUGH, TOO MUCH MISSION RECALLS HAS WEAR THOSE DOWN , THE OLD HAVE ONE DESIRE IS TO RETIRE, ASK TO RETIRE,
AGAIN THE NEXT YEAR ASK HIS RETIREMENT PAPERS, DENIED AGAIN,
all we here have to do is read the news ,one suicide among the other, ONE MORE WAR TO KILL THE LEADER OF HIS OWN COUNTRY TRYING TO FIGHT HIS ENNEMIES,
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TO LISTEN TO SOME PATRIOTS WHO VISIT OUR BLOG, AND READ OF THEIR FIGHTS IN HELL, AND RESPECT THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE ,THEY DID, BUT WE DID NOT SERVED
I LOVE MY BLOG, I LOVE TO HAVE THE PATRIOTS SPEAK THEIR HEART OF WHAT THEY FEEL FOR THIS AMERICA, THEY DESERVE IT, THEY SURVIVED, TO TELL, BUT THEIR BROTHERS DID NOT,
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN, THEY TELL SO MUCH THAT WE MUST LEARN.
MATA AND AYE This self proclaimed “Field Grade Officer” (whose Army?) spelled Marine Corps Marine Corp and Marine corps.He claims BHO’S mother and father “a school teacher and a common laborer,flew all around the world together” Some intel that.
AYE, THAT IS A MISTAKE BECAUSE HE SAID IT RIGHT ON 45, THE FIRST
In my very best Casey Kasem voice…ahem:
And now Ladies and Gentlemen…a very special dedication for Mr. JV Hoffman.
Let’s have a big round of applause for The Platters:
Who’s the cute widdle video game / keyboard terror warrior and movie reviewer extraordinaire?
Why, you are…..
Victor Hoffman
Here’s a question for ya… how can a 53 year old man claim to have experience dealing with the VC? Did you see ‘em in like daycare or something? Would love to know more about that.
Also… do you think that any of our special forces or special ops guys or, heck, anyone wearing a US military uniform would toss terrorists out of the back of a helicopter and then get on the Interwebz and brag about it? No? Me either.
Course, it speaks volumes about you and your opinions of our fine military personnel that you would weave such a yarn accusing them by proxy of being guilty of such things or the coverup of such things.
You know who you remind me of? John F Kerry. He accused his fellow soldiers of all sorts of heinous acts as well. You know what though? He was eventually proven to be a fraud and a liar too.
Mr. Hoffman…did you really think that we wouldn’t discover your deceptions?
You see, we’re smarter than that here. Obviously, you underestimated us.
Oh…by the way…you gave Transformers five stars but Rocky earned only one? What the heck man?
We have a saying in Hebrew “A lie has no legs and cannot stand!”
LOL! Aye, you always live up to your expectations. Was waiting for this, and rewarded with the big grin!
@Ms. Bees, mon ami, trust me you do not want to tread water in unfamiliar deep Internet waters. The cyber world can mask all kinds of people. Give them enough time, and you smell the odor. Let them speak, uninhibited enough, and they reveal more than they intended.
In short, you are on the wrong side here. You should pine for Larry’s return. He is worth at least 20 of the JV’s in life. At least one is honest. The other is just a cheap gamer.
MATA, I did not take sides, I said that we have sometimes visiting PATRIOTS and we must be understanding,
because they endure and deserved respect from us civiliens, if some have a short fuse wit the liberals
who come here ,no problem of mine, it’s part of the debate, they the 3 of them just have to take or
let it go, I MUST REMIND US that JV IS ON OUR SIDE, HE DID NOT ATTACK US,
ONLY THE OPPONANTS.
@MataHarley:
Glad you approve. That was sort of fun ya know?
The only problem is that Mr Hoffman, the guy who visited this site 190 plus times in the last 36 hours, has suddenly up and disappeared now that someone pointed out his bright red rubber nose and multi-colored floppy shoes.
Well, he could be off on a super secret covert terrorist hunting mission in his subdivision down south…yeah, that’s the ticket…
Or, could it be something else…Mata just between the two of us…did you throw Hoffman out of the back of the helicopter?
Ms. Bees… JV may be on what you think is your side. He is certainly not on mine. And I determined that shortly after his entrance here on FA. If I’m picking sides, I’d take Larry over this poser/fraud any day of the week. You do realize that a legimate movement can be collapsed by being discredited by those such as this poser, yes? The “JVs” of the world would do more to hinder progress than to advance it. I guess, in his view, the only “real Americans” are those that muster up to his criteria. That is the total antithesis of our Founding Fathers intent.
Mr. Intel has had his fun, regaling people with his fantasies. I’m always skeptical when people walk thru the proverbial Internet front door with these claims. Sometimes, something Mr. Intel wouldn’t know, you just have to be patient, lay in wait for the bear to step into the trap. For JV Hoffman, the clock’s run out. No career intel guy is as dumb as this guy. He’s volunteered enough to blow his gamer cover. I’m embarrassed he made it this far on the FA. But this stuff can happen.
uh… errrrr…. if I tell you that, I’ll have to kill you, right? LOL
Go back and read again but you can’t actually do you are making claims that are not there …yes I quoted exactly what the VC did that anybody who even has any kind of military education would know! Read real close Aye…..You remind me of the Vietcong who ran across borders instead of standing the fight! Liberals and Communist are all the same, all the world over! I did quote the first amendment earlier in #45….you know what I knew just to wait and you all would show yourself for the shallowness that is really you…you see you just can’t help yourselves!
This is who you are protecting….this is Larry’s solution to the Muslim problem and Terrorism:
If Jews would just consider themselves to be Americans and not Jews, and freely inter-marry, and “open up” religious Judaism to converts, the way that Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and even Muslims do it, then anti-Semiticism would be gone — totally gone — within a generation.
Just a opposite siting of Hitlers writing…either way the Jews will be gone right.
Get you some reading glasses and that way maybe if you didn’t have to stare so hard you could actually read something and comprehend it for a change! You make conjectures without even comprehending what is written! MataHarley the very fact that you have take cover with people Wheeler who does even know to spell the family name of his idol, and invites most people here to have their ass kicked by him …really doesn’t say much for you…really good company you keep!
Your hypocrisy is blatant and loud and is really an expression of your ignorance…None of you addressed anything that was ask and neither did you read the American Muslim article to even understand from where Larry came with his BS Socialistic crap! Do you really agree with his solution? In case you don’t know any Jew that knows anything would rather go to the gas chamber or the ovens like more than 60 of my family did from Strasbourg. Because just like so many of the things you do not understand and you show it…For a Jew to assimilate is a permanent death, but to die for the sanctity of God’s name is a complete reparation of every transgression (to die because you are a Jew is in this category)
You all have assumed many things and superposed many things as well and never answered the first question? Real scholars you are? Real etiquette you have! I didn’t attack you but you all came after me like a bunch of savages and you call your self conservatives? Nice!
Oh good… including your fantasies of decades of intel under your belt, you’ve now freely admitted you’re anti-semite? Or reverse anti-semite? Hard to tell with your pretend/bogus facade. Because I assure you, Larry never said that. And I’ve know him quite a long time… both personally and on this blog.
And here I couldn’t think I held you in lower esteem… LOL
Keep talking, JV. With every post… if we can stomach it… you provide proof you have neither the “intelligence” or the years of experience to be intel op wiz you proclain. In fact, you prove you don’t deserve a snippet of our consideration. Take your bigotry elsewhere, is my request.
@MataHarley: Mata really your words are beyond stupidity!!!! Swallow you arrogance and silly pride and go back and read the ” American Muslim 10 years after 9/11!”
If Jews would just consider themselves to be Americans and not Jews, and freely inter-marry, and “open up” religious Judaism to converts, the way that Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and even Muslims do it, then anti-Semiticism would be gone — totally gone — within a generation.
Those are the words of your Larry sweetheart! Not mine! Your racist bigotry shines even above anything you can write! Nobody has to discredit you …you do it all by yourself!!!
His comments on this matter are in the lower part of commentary #11
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees Thank you for being the only civil one here.
It is obvious they do not read anything! They would have been good liberals to have in the administration
they would have passed everything Obama put in front of them as long as he wrapped it up in a nice story and told things about his family…just like Larry did!
You were there on the American Muslims 10 years after 9/11 and you saw what was and how I only attacked after being attacked. Never mind this is a low blow for Flapping Aces as far as I am concerned.
Their comments are full of bigotry, prejudice and hate. It is sad when people think they can know everything just by setting in front of a computer screen, especially when they most likely have only lived in the States or a military reservation at best, but never in the world outside of that and if so it is obvious only as a tourist.
Armchair politicians solving the worlds problems by way of the internet Obama’s greatest fantasy!
JV Fraud Hoffman, I am part Jewish as well. I am the product of those Jews who did freely inter-marry and considered themselves immigrant Jewish Americans. But I guess they don’t meet your particular criteria of “real Americans”, which is a very unAmerican statement in inself. My error was not to include your continued op-ed when you described that as “Just a opposite siting of Hitlers writing…either way the Jews will be gone right. “ What you suggest Larry said – likening it to genocide, as you intimate – did not happen. ’tis your reading inability, blinded by your hatred.
You, on the other hand, are quite the enigma. The man who claims to be all over testimony for intel briefings in 1979-1981….. let’s see. You’d be all of twenty something then, right? Quite the accomplished youth in your fantasies. The stuff that comic books are made of… but I’m not buying it.
I watched your demeanor change on this blog. You were first polite. Then, when feeling welcome, and after becoming a 24/7 denizen, you bared your fangs at a community of regulars that you know nothing of. I then watched as you played the braggart to justify your harsh commentary and attacks on various people in this forum. I smelled a rat… and watched, and read. I have not liked what I’ve seen. As I said before, my respect for you bottomed out weeks ago. And whenever I think you can’t sink lower, you hit another “submit” button.
It is you who is the purist bigot, JV Hoffman. This country does not demand that any citizen harbor political beliefs of a certain criteria. They aren’t required to be “real Americans’ that meet your standards. Nor does their blood have to remain pure in any race or religion. That is the beauty of this nation.
I’m conservative. You? An embarrassment who happens to detest this POTUS and his policies as much as I do. This makes me just as disgusted as I’d be having to stand next to a KKK member who feels the same way. I read your words, and I feel the need for a bath.
@Aye: The only person who is deceived here is you and Mata! I would suggest you get some glasses and take a reading comprehension course. How you took the frenzy of hatred slung it shows some very deep problems or just ignorance in search of praise from Mata.
Go back and read what was written and how you so construed things in extortion from what they were written! I ask What kind of person would picture a Jew in a Fascist Uniform? Is this the ethics you live by?
You so freely throw out words as you do?
Read the American Muslims 10 years after 9/11 you will see the statement just as he presented it! This is the type of person you take sides with? yes, I get rough with the liberals when they attack, but even to them I at least give them the respect to answer them with cynical humor or examples to show the absurdity of their thoughts….. and not the savagery you all have displayed!
@J V Hoffman:
Oh, my friend, I have indeed read your scribblings very carefully and what I posted in #69 was a mere glimpse at the glittering treasure trove that awaits.
As I am headed off to bed, I’ll leave you with a few questions. Feel free to take notes and ponder over your answers. There’s no rush. I won’t be back ’til after daylight comes.
Assuming that your Interwebz movie reviewer profile is correct…and why would you lie on the Interwebz right?…yeah…but assuming that is correct…your age is 53. That means that your birth year would be 1958 which, oddly enough, matches up to the number that you use in your e-mail address as well as your movie reviewer handle.
With me so far? If not, go back and re-read cuz this next part is where all of that becomes important. I’ll wait.
Back with me? Good….
Now. In this comment, you claim to have been privy to a 1975 intelligence briefing in, presumably, Vietnam….
Now, I have a question for ya. If you take 1975 and subtract 1953 what do ya get? Feel free to take those video game boots off and use your toes if needed. Got the answer? Yep, 17. That’s right.
So, explain some things to me please:
1) How does a 17 year old wet behind the ears kid get access to an intelligence briefing which involved MIA/POW photographs?
2) How does an Interwebz keyboard commando guy who claims to have been in Vietnam in one post suddenly get so shy about talking about his Vietnam experience when directly asked about his interactions with the Vietcong claiming instead that his knowledge comes from education rather than experience?
3) If you are indeed “reserved as far as what [you] share to identify [yourself]“ and “happen to know of centers that their sole function is to screen and record internet communications” then why are you posting all of the details about your supposed worldwide escapades including, but not limited to, your helicopter tale right here on the Interwebz for public consumption?
Methinks you’re full of shit.
Might I suggest that the next time you set out to weave an Interwebz fantasy that you make thorough and copious notes to yourself so that you don’t trip yourself up with your own details.
We have a saying in Hebrew “A lie has no legs and cannot stand!”
@MataHarley: You have proved everything you are and you continue…you refuse to even acknowledge that these are the words of your Larry! You take everything out of context an twist it to suit you needs to cover your trail of error!
Yes I was were I said I was and much more! The measure of a person is seen in when they can admit they were wrong, and you have established your place very well today! Believe me I will not even waste another minute on you because you have no ability of reconciliation. As far as Jewish is concerned that is a standard that I did not set it but is more than 3,400 years old…If your mother is Jewish then you are, and if not then unless you convert then you are not, that is not racism it is the oral law that has been practiced since Mt. Sinai, if you have a problem with that then take it up with God, not me! Because you will not even take the time to see that you have made a error repeatedly that stands in your face!
I do not need to discredit you or say more the obvious is over whelming!
LOL! Thought that line was a keeper, Aye. But I guess, since he’s been called out on his own indefensible behavior and bigotry, we can only expect more accusations as his diversion.
But I’m with you… hitting the sack for an early morning. No time to bail wannabees out of the moderation filter for fodder.
@Aye: I don’t waste my time with the likes of you. Your assumptions are over the top…. Why don’t you do some research first off and then bark! If you people know 1/60 of what you think you that would be great… Just so you will know I never post my exact information on the web. Yes I was born in the 50′s but the year I do not share as public information on the web or no where. Are you ignorant enough to do that there is such a thing as cyber theft..those sites are how they collect information.
I had postings on several sites that I recorded my birth year as 1900, good thing you didn’t pull up one of those you would be thinking I am 111 now. Get real!
JV Hoffman, I still say that your comments where interesting in some knowledge of the
subject you where expressing, as a PATRIOT,
I have to admit that some of it where also hard stuff to take from the one on the receiving side, in my view but I was myself hard on other too sometimes so It was not for me to judge
MATA, DID YOU REFER TO ME?
I am in the, your comment is awaiting moderation.
I know this is the full moon, and anything can happen.
get me out of it please, freedom of speech MATA
my first amendment right
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees don’t worry about it they are just ranting like crazy people and are so caught in their real brilliant way of presenting things. It takes a person to admit when he is wrong and the type of behavior that they are presenting is no more than a desperate strike to justify their error….like little children in the Kindergarten!
Aye you have several mistakes here that come from grand assumptions.
1. I would never put anything on the internet that would reveal three things A. Your birthdate B. Your location of birth C. The names of you mother and father (These three factors are more than enough to find anything on anybody…think about it)
2. The 58 on my email address has to do with Kabbalah and the numerology of the Kabbalah. 5 is for Chesed (compassion) and 8 is for Chiidushim ( new beginnings) According to Kabbalah when you connect certain things to other like numbers it has different affects for good. Here the 5 8 is significant of ” New beginning in God’s compassion.”
3. This action figure you have thrown around absolutely has nothing to do with me….. I use the internet only for business as a rule. I had used the other site you referred to to get reviews of movies before purchasing them online. How you construed a figure that has absolutely nothing to do with me would be the equivalent of me accusing you of being a Mexican drug lord because there is one who uses that name. I do not have or play any internet games.
You can think what you will, I have no responsibility to answer to you or any here especially who have acted the way you have blindly and ignorantly as you have. In the information I was displaying to help those who has enough intelligence to read a little and get the underwritten message to do research of their own. Because whether you want to admit it or not people only remember at large what they experience or labor to understand.
Here there is an very evident lack of both….if you had taken the time to read the notes before you jumped to conclusions the information that entered your brain would have been different, no instead you went on a frenzy and jumped to conclusions!
Aye if you are able just think about this question, nothing more.
If mr. Larry came and told you the border solution with Mexico is simple, we can solve all of the problems with Mexico in a few years..Every man marries a Mexican wife and every woman marries a Mexican man! Then we will all be just one big happy family! This is the equivalent to Larry’s solution…..and you call this logical and sane?
If you had any of my background you would understand assumptions can get the whole team killed! What happened with you all is evident of one thing you never addressed any question you only fired blindly and with your emotions on your sleeve. Read, understand and then write..even when I was firing back at the liberals I was attacking their logic/philosophy or counter pointing their statement!
Tell me how would any sane person who understands anything about US history even in the most elementary level compare equally Theodore Roosevelt with Obama as equals? Larry did! Yeah like Obama walks softly and carries a big stick? He (Obama) has probably never carried anything heavier than a pencil and his swift decision making has made the biggest natural disaster of the century and engaged us on many frontiers in a way we have no hope of any good coming out of it!
@J V Hoffman:
Dayum Dood!
Most people will stop digging when they find themselves deep, deep, deep down in a hole. You though, you’re different now aren’t you?
You apparently aren’t even intelligent enough to realize what a hole you’re in. Course we’re talking about the “intelligence / special ops guy” who took to the Interwebz and began braggin’ about tossing people out of the back of helicopters and such right? Yeah, really intelligent that was.
You apparently fancy yourself to be the smartest guy in the room telling all of us all about all of the stuff that you would never post in the Interwebz…all while weaving tales that would rightly land you in the brig or wrapped in a blindfold after smoking your last cigarette.
Yeah…you claim all this stuff about what you would never post…just after I’ve found all the definitive puzzle pieces which demonstrate you to be the absolute fraud that you are. I found all of that stuff and stitched it all together in less than an hour.
I know your hometown.
I know where you went to high school.
I know what year you graduated.
I know the town that you live in now.
I know the Hebrew variation of your first name.
I know who inspires you.
I know….well, let’s just say that there’s a lot I know….and it took me less than an hour to stitch it all together.
So, either a) you really are the JV Hoffman that I’ve found or b) you’re doing damned fine job of impersonating him down to the point that perhaps the real Mr. Hoffman should be contacted to let him know what you’re up to since, as you state yourself, identity theft is a real problem here on the Interwebz. Course, I believe the former rather than the latter. Occam’s Razor and all that.
Now…since all of the additional information that I’ve discovered has solidified my conclusion vis a vis a 1958 birth year (your Kaballah story notwithstanding) which would make you 17 during your supposed service in Vietnam.
Now, once again, I’ll ask you…how does a wet behind the ears 17 year old kid get access to an intelligence briefing as you claim?
One other question…did this intelligence briefing occur before or after your time as a POW?
Just wondering how that whole timeline comes together in the vacancy betwixt your ears. Feel free to consult whatever notes you may have.
You’re going to prove to be either a total lame-ass wannabe fraud…or…the absolute dumbest intelligence/special ops person that I have ever encountered.
Just between us, here’s where I think the truth resides. I think that, in reality, you’re an upper middle class, middle aged male who is reflecting back on the years that have passed him by. You’re a guy who looks back and says…man oh man, the things I wish I had done. Not quite old enough to have gotten into Vietnam but, perhaps, just a tad too old for the Gulf engagements. Or perhaps you were eligible and qualified to serve later in life but didn’t for whatever reason.
Either way, you created a narrative which you expressed in your writings and shielded yourself behind what proved to be a horribly constructed attempt at anonymity.
Then things get good for you. You arrived here at FA and got much needed affirmation for your id after your post went up.
From there, the tale begins grow really rapidly until it spiraled out of control…all the while it was unknowingly fed and nurtured by those who responded to your words here on these pages.
At this point, you’re in a bit of a panic because you’ve been discovered.
You’ve been exposed as a middle aged white guy of middling accomplishments…and there is certainly nothing wrong with that…but you were desperate to be something special, something out of the ordinary.
Sad thing is, because of your deceit…wherein you lied to all of us and to yourself…you’ve turned out to be something that no one here in the real world would ever want to be.
Either that…or you’re truly the dumbest dumb azz “intelligence / special ops” guy I’ve ever heard tell of.
Which is it?
We have a saying in Hebrew “A lie has no legs and cannot stand!”
Exit Question: Are you still sailing or did your harrowing experience last January make you swear off?
JV Hoffman, you have taken onto yourself to protect our group,
from the liberals coming here to try to expose our comments, and I liked it to be able to take a stand for all of us,
you did it firmly with weapon openned that freak them up, a tad overly,AYE IS FOR ME I CALL A FRIEND,
BECAUSE WHEN I start here to my first comment,I was attack for my comment and my lack of writing skill and language knowledge, AYE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO GIVE A WORD FOR ME ,HOW CAN I FORGET THAT, and continiue to encourage me and stand for me against the trolls attacks SO ALTHOUGH I STILL OWE HIM 2 DOLLARDS I NEVER FORGOT HIS SHOULDER ON ME
DEVASTATED FROM THE ATTACK I DID NOT EXPECTED, AND THEN SKOOKUM DECIDE TO HELP MY
LEARNING devastation OF THE LANGUAGE AND WRITTING SKILL,
AND MATA, I KEPT HER FOR LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS SOMEONE I RESPECT ALSO AND FEARED AT MY EALY BEGINNING, AND THEN HAVING HER HELP ME IN MANY WAYS I CANT EXPRESS,
I HAD VOW TO NEVER GET HER ANGRY AT ME, BECAUSE I SAW HER TAKE ON MORE THAN THE 3 YOU HAD ON YOUR BACK,
SO THEY ARE THE ONE CLOSE TO MY HEART,
YOU’LL GET TO KNOW THEM FROM ANOTHER ANGLE, AND APPRECIATE THEIR POTENTIAL
OF SUPPORT FOR THE TROUPS HERE
Call the supposed school and ask for my records, ask by name if I attended there.
Got the address and see what you find
And what will the other information give you? NOTHING !
All of that is where it is for a purpose! And it is exactly for people just as yourself!
And for your information I sail all the time, I am not a cyber idiot like you!
I travel to places all the time you would never get to either!
Since you think you know so much do some research and then refute something like a man instead of ranting like a little old woman… Like I told you my vital information is not available! Disprove anything that I stated historically or policy wise …there is your frustration.
We are done cyber idiot! The understanding of life is not derived through a keyboard, and not everybody’s life is open so that reckless people like you can not interfere with their lives! The news media made the same mistake you did in my sailing incident because when I left I only left my communications numbers and my boat description that is all that is needed. I would not trust anything that could identify me with the likes of you!
So I guess you are like the news media shallow and only looking for a story!
Good bye! Permanently!
MATA HI, WE ARE GOING TO GET THE 100 COMMENT,
IF WE CAN GET AYE OUT OF OUR WAY,
OKAY, HERE’S THE DEAL, YOU GET ME OUT OF[ YOUR COMMENT AWAITING MODERATION,] AND I WILL LET YOU WIN THE 100.
JVH Nothing is worse than a phony soldier.You do those that serve a great disservice.
Aye Welcome back and Thanks
Bees Fight the good fight and keep an open mind and a welcoming heart.
Semper Fi
@J V Hoffman:
Good Lord man… you really are a shovel ready project aren’t you? Just diggin’ and diggin’ and diggin.’
Well…since you insist…here’s a really quick one:
The Conservation Corps for which you so desperately opine here was established by FDR… that would be Franklin, not Teddy.
Exit Question: Which of the Roosevelt presidents was not in favor of progressive taxation?
Ms. Beezie, you aren’t in the “mod” filter, girl… Nor are you on the list. No clue what comment you are speaking of since there’s nothing in that filter at the moment.
Tho we authors have the power to put people in moderation, we do not by agreement. Only Curt, oh FA Founding Father, puts people in moderation. He does not do so lightly, so if anyone finds themself in there, they have only themselves to blame… ahem. I will say that by the time I joined this conversation, to comment on JV Hoffman’s newly styled approach of full auto/no safety verbal assault on everyone who dares to disagree (and most especially towards Larry), he was already in that filter. I bailed him out only to have a discussion last night.
My suggestion remains the same as above…. if someone finds themselves in that filter, they may want to have a look back at their comment style and points, and ponder the reason why they ended up in there.
As far as @J V Hoffman’s wild observance:
This is some insinuation that I an incorrect on Larry’s comment from another thread. I am not incorrect… save for my error to copy/paste JV’s absurd and despicable interpretation that Larry was suggesting a Hitleresque genocide of Jews with his comment. That is not at all what Larry said… and even with my disagreements in the past with him, I know he would never say that (as JV suggests it was intended).
It appears that JV prefers to attach wild assumptions to people that fit his narrative. Thus I’m pointing out that Larry never advocated any form of genocide… whether by violence or by inter faith marriage. There is nothing incorrect in that statement, and therefore no reason to admit an error. To ID that culprit, Mr. Hoffman should be staring in the mirror.
But then JV apparently likes to blur the lines with a common term of “Jew”. There is the race… formerly called Hebrews, and there is the religion… Judaism. These days, the term is used interchangably, sometimes referring the race/descent and others to religion.
News flash not all Jews practice the religion, or go to a synagogue. Apparently Mr. Hoffman tends to blur those lines as well when he (most laughable) @calls me a racist bigot. Were he not such a hothead newbie here, and did a little of that intel homework he says is his stellar and glorious past, he’d know that there’s few here that are stronger supporters of Israel than I am…. including my firm belief that aid to Israel is the best return on our money.
But then, after thinking of Hebrew/Jew as a race (in reference to me being a “bigot”), he then @lectures me on who is Jewish and who is not.
Well that becomes quite interesting since one who is not of Hebrew blood can convert to Judaism, and will be… for all intents and purposes… a Jew. On the other hand, if one is of Hebrew blood, yet not practicing the religion, they are still a descendant of the Hebrew/Jewish race and considered a Jew. I’m 100% positive that Hitler did not confine his genocide to only Jews practicing the religion, but to those of Hebrew descendancy as well…. including those of mixed blood and marriages.
These days it’s quite common for interfaith marriage. And it was not all that long ago that the Catholic Church felt the same about purist relationships, and excommunicated many for an interfaith marriage. Such nonsense espoused by Hoffman, accusing Larry of indirectly saying “either way, the Jews will be gone”, is the ranting of an unstable individual. I’m quite sure that both the race, and the religion, will survive in the future, as it has thru their past persecutions.
My problem with Hoffman is twofold. First, his debate style is offensive and counterproductive. Indeed, any time one of his comments shows up in my ebox, I feel like I have to clean the keyboard from the spittle he projects in his tirades. Secondly, there is nothing more antiConstitutional or unAmerican than @to have a litmus test of what he considers “real Americans”. We have hard core Communists, socialists and others in this nation that do not like our country’s government structure. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t Americans.
Instead what Hoffman suggests is that there is some sort of belief system that is required to be a “real American”. Well now… wouldn’t the Founders and Framers be rolling over in their graves to hear that notion.
But when I consider it’s likely coming from a guy who has obviously created his personal history for the Internet audience out of a combination of fantasy and games, who can take it seriously? Being conservative, we often find ourselves unfortunately aligned with hard liners holding similar beliefs. That doesn’t mean I have to like it… or them.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
@MataHarley:
Just a quick note.
Mz Bees had a comment go into the filter in error and I released her to fly freely once again.
AYE, THANK’S, I guess I owe you more than 2 dollards, now,
the interests will be astronomicals by then. bye my friend
MATA COME AND GET IT, I KNOW THAT AYE TOOK ME OUT OF MODERATION ,BECAUSE HE WANT THAT 100 SO BAD,
BUT HERE’S YOUR CHANCE ,
BYE
@JV
Actually, Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican “progressive”. Look up the Bull Moose Party. Larry left out Woodrow Wilson, who was an early Democratic “progressive”. The “progressives,’ then and now were/are not confined to any one political party.
There you go Ms Bees A crazy ride to 100. RIP The Great Clarence Clemons.