George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of wrongly killing Trayvon Martin, will not immediately have to turn over donations made to his website, a Florida judge said Friday.
Zimmerman collected about $204,000 in donations through the website, but did not disclose the contributions during his bond hearing last week, according to his attorney, Mark O’Mara.
Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda asked Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to increase Zimmerman’s $150,000 bond. But the judge said he would delay ruling on the request, in part because he does not know if he has authority to say how the money can be used.
Lester and O’Mara both said they are concerned about releasing the names of donors to Zimmerman, who has faced threats since the case began making national headlines in March.
“My fear is they may well be targeted for reprisals or animosities or whatever,” O’Mara told reporters after the hearing.
Zimmerman’s family testified last week at his bond hearing that they did not have the kind of resources that would have been necessary to meet the prosecution’s suggested $1 million bond.
Zimmerman, 28, was released Monday on $150,000 bail, 10% of which was put up to secure his release while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge in Martin’s February 26 death.
About $5,000 from the website contribution was used in making bond, O’Mara said. The rest came from a loan secured by a family home.
Although Zimmerman spent some of the contributions on living expenses, about $150,000 remains, O’Mara said Friday. O’Mara said he has put the money into a trust he controls until a final decision is made about its use.
Lester asked for additional information about the accounts but did not indicate when he would rule.
“I’m not going to make a snap decision,” Lester said.
Also during Friday’s hearing, Lester declined to consider a gag order requested by prosecutors, saying it was premature and that none of the attorneys in the case had said anything to concern him so far. CNN was among the media organizations opposing the motion.
O’Mara said he learned about the money on Wednesday as he and Zimmerman were trying to shut down Zimmerman’s website, Facebook page and Twitter account to avoid concerns about possible impersonators and other problems.
“He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about,” O’Mara told CNN’s Anderson Cooper on Thursday. “He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about … $204,000 that had come in to date.”
O’Mara had said earlier this month that he believed Zimmerman had no money.
Asked whether knowledge of the money might have made a difference to Lester, who presided at Zimmerman’s bond hearing, O’Mara said, “It might have.”
O’Mara could not explain why Zimmerman didn’t disclose the funds, but said he didn’t think his client had meant to deceive anyone.
“If that was an oversight by him, then it was. And quite honestly, with everything he’s going through for the past several weeks, if that’s the only oversight he’s committed, we’ll deal with it, Judge Lester will deal with it,” he said.
Florida judge rejects bail hike for Trayvon Martin’s killer
Needs more information about Zimmerman fund raisingSANFORD, Florida (Reuters) – A Florida judge rejected a prosecution request to raise the bond for George Zimmerman on Friday, after it was disclosed that the man charged with murdering unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin had received about $200,000 from anonymous donors to fund his defense.
“I’m not going to make a snap decision,” Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. said during a hearing in Sanford, the central Florida town where 17-year-old Martin was shot dead by Zimmerman in February.
He spoke after Prosecutor Bernardo de la Rionda said the disclosure by Zimmerman’s lawyer on Thursday that donors had contributed “just over $200,000” to his defense meant that the amount of his bond should be reconsidered.
Lester said he needed more information about Zimmerman’s fund-raising before he could agree to any request for reconsideration of the bond.
“If his testimony at the bond hearing is any indication of what is to come, then the lying has already begun,” Crump said.
Oh, yes, Mr. Crump, we already know the lying has begun. And it started with you and the race hustlers who are trying to line their own pockets from a tragedy. Tell me, Mr. Crump, just what the hell are you going to do when DeeDee is called as a material witness and is cross examined about her story that only you seem approved to tell?
“Crump said his firm will not collect a fee in any of the criminal proceedings.”
Of course not, Crump. You are just another leech that has latched on to a victim for profit and name recognition. Why would you have any part in a criminal trial when your position is to make money for your clients from a tragedy?
“If we collect any money, it will be from a civil lawsuit and not from any donor money, he said.”
And there is the real goal of the race baiters and the reason that they were demanding Zimmerman be arrested for self defense. According to Florida law, no arrest, no civil suit claim can be levied in civil court. But Zimmerman was arrested, so now Crump will be sure to bring law suits against The Twin Lakes residential area, the Sanford PD, and the state of Florida.
And while Crump seems upset that Zimmerman is getting donations to help him, wonder why he didn’t explain who is now supporting Trayvon’s parents since they both recently quit their jobs to “promote” justice for Trayvon, gangsta in training?
Whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”!! I don’t think the support that Zimmerman has should be his to use. I donated because I’m tired of the race hustlers too………
Why of course a politicized prosecutor would be desirous of sequestering such funds as would otherwise be available to finance a competent criminal defense …
@retire05:
Indeed as criminal prosecution is a monopoly of the state in the United States. Counselor Crump’s jackpot is to be found elsewhere in civil proceedings.
so
hmmm so they both quit their jobs …
Mike O’Malley, Sybrina Fulton did not quit. She is on a leave of absence.
Tracy Martin, a truck driver, is obviously not driving trucks at the moment. No idea if he was an independent operator, or a driver within a transportation firm. I’ve seen no status on his employment… i.e. leave or quit. I also see no links to substantiate the tirade above.
In my times in seeing them both, I found Ms. Fulton to be an impressive woman in her own right, well spoken and educated. Him? Not so impressive IMHO.
Both Zimmerman and the Martins are, and have been engaging in fund raising. Nothing wrong with that in the least. Nor is that the subject of the article. Contrary to the contrarian assumption above, Crump is not “upset” at Zimmerman’s fund raising. He is outraged that Zimmerman did not disclose it when determining the bond amounts, instead saying he was “broke”.
INRE Zimmerman fundraising, O’Mara had, in the linked Most Wanted article above, said they would be setting up new fundraising sites for Zimmerman coming up. According to a Business Insider article, the first of a few is already up.
What is wrong, and the subject of the article, is that the $204K Zimmerman had in his account just slipped his mind during the bond hearing. That he has it isn’t a problem. That he doesn’t disclose it is a problem. He claims he didn’t know there was that much there. But then, he also didn’t disclose any amount from a website that he knew existed to collect donations.
I don’t know if there is a problem with Zimmerman using it for his personal living expenses either. But out of the $204K at the time of the bond hearing, and only $5K going to the bail, that’s $49K in “living expenses” prior to his bond hearing. A few of those days were spent in jail. According to an April 10th Washington Times article, the fund raising website registry was created in the previous week. Per a a Fox affiliate news site, the fundraising site went live on April 10th. The bond hearing was ten days later on April 20th.
$49K is certainly is a lot of “living expenses” paid out in a short time, which is the reason that the Judge Lester needs to scrutinize the finances. i.e. who set it up, who administered it and did Zimmerman have direct access to the funds.
I don’t have a problem with either Zimmerman or the Martin’s stepping thru another of life’s doors for their focus and income. When this is over, Zimmerman will have his opportunities for wealth, fame, book deals, speaking engagements, interviews, activist tee shirts etc. Most of you have built him up into a cult hero in your minds already, and this blind support for picking “the winner” in the case is obvious when you look at the fundraising amounts. Zimmerman will do just fine.
Sybrina Fulton may return to her Miami-Dade job, or she and her ex husband may opt to stay in an activism role. Who knows. As one door closes, another opens. America is the land of opportunity, and unfortunately opportunities are not always the result of happy events. For anyone to celebrate that opportunity for one, while dissing it for another, is to show their hypocritical colors. People tend to forget, the victim in this trial is Martin. Martin also had SYG and self defense rights. Martin also had no duty to retreat. The law is applicable to all, regardless of age, race, gender, and sexual preference. What the trial, testimony and a jury will decide is if either of those rights were not exercised properly, resulting in an unnecessary death. And that’s the way our system works.
Well, we all know that all the parties involved, including Al Sharpton who used his platform on MSNBC to taint the case, just want the truth to be told and justice served, right?
That’s why Mr. Crump, legal bottom feeder who represents the Martins, hired Julison Communications to also represent the Martins. After all, don’t all families of “victims” need publicity companies to represent them like the Martins seem to? It was also Crump who first called Al Sharpton to get Sharpton involved so that an image of a 14 year old angelic child could be pushed on the unsuspecting public instead of a 17 year old whose social networking accounts portrayed a kid who was at minimum, a gansta wannabe and who seemed to be more interested in drugs, sex and other things not related to a standard education.
http://julisoncom.com/about.html
@MataHarley:
I wonder, would the critics of the Martin family here be as quick (and consistent) in levying criticism against John Walsh?
He endured the loss of his son, left the career he was involved in and, for many years, pursued passions that were ignited by his own personal tragedy.
I am curious if any of the critics here will have the courage to direct their sneering faces and gnarled fingers toward Mr. Walsh the way they are with the Martins.
Somehow I doubt it.
@Mike O’Malley:
Remember, as you are told how the fund raising effort went live on April 10th, just how many days after that George Zimmerman was arrested and placed in a jail cell. But, considering that the Sanford PD is so understanding, I am sure GZ was allowed to go check out his PayPal account after his arrest using Sanford PD computers, right? Or would logic tell you that once in jail, any internet activity Zimmerman might have had came to a screeching halt and he would not know how much was donated to his PayPal account.
And let’s just forget that Zimmerman’s family is now in hiding, thanks to Al Sharpton and the New Black Pathers enabled by a grieving Martin family. Zimmerman was dismissed from his job. Sybrina Fulton took a leave of absence so she could follow Al Sharpton around, the latest gig being a rally in Los Angeles. And anyone who wants to equate this to what John Walsh did, is just being silly. Walsh didn’t tie himself at the waist to known race baiters and riot promoters like Al Sharpton.
O’Mara’s statement about funds raised on Zimmerman’s “TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com” site appears on on the new Zimmerman official site:
WHOIS data notes that the domain registry was April 8th.
The media reports the site was live April 10th.
Zimmerman was booked a day later on the 11th. He remained in jail until after his bond hearing, released wee hours on a Sunday, April 22nd.
The last modification to the site, which is now “unavailable” was April 24th… four days after the bond hearing, and two days after his release. As O’Mara states, his legal team shut down Zimmerman’s social media and websites… and only after the bond hearing did Zimmerman tell him about the funds.
Obviously someone had access to that cash since Zimmerman was in jail all but 24-48 hours from the live publication of the site to it’s shut down circa the 24th. And that someone spent $49K on living expenses in that time, plus $5K towards the bail bond in that time period. As O’Mara notes, both Zimmerman and his wife were transferring some of those funds in to their own personal accounts.
It’s unlikely that the Judge will be raising the bond amount based on this, but he – along with O’Mara – will now be scrutinizing Zimmerman’s finances and expenses.. including whether he had direct access to the cash in an account in his name, containing the donations from a website that he administered.
I repeat.. having funds is fine. Non disclosure? Not so fine.
As for where that amount of money went, we may or may not find out. Certainly those that donated have a right to know where their cash went, if they are interested. Notice David Brickner’s comment above that he doesn’t think that the “support” should be Zimmerman’s to use personally. Don’t know if he wanted his donation to be dedicated only to legal expenses, but when someone donates, they do have a right to know what their cash is being spent on.
Me? I don’t care. But apparently he’s one expensive cult hero to maintain…. $49K of “living expenses”, from mid March when this story broke to his arrest on the 11th of April, is a hefty price tag. I believe that Zimmerman may have just stepped out of the 99%er class… LOL
Fulton is taking a leave of absence. She did not quit, as originally stated. And yes, Aye, some will continue to make judgement calls on a changed focus in life – whether permanent or temporary – based on whether they support that changed focus as being worthy in their own opinion. Activism is, I guess, only admirable or acceptable if some agree with the cause.
Obviously, the left doesn’t have a monopoly on hypocrisy.
BTW… I wonder how the Zimmerman’s parents feel about putting their home up as collateral for the bail bond, despite not having much income, when Zimmerman and his wife had already spent $54K of the donations, and had ample cash to cover that legal bail bond expense themselves? At the time, they said they had no idea how much cash he had either.
Seems that Zimmerman, or his wife, didn’t bother to disclose that to his parents either.
Fulton took a leave of abscence. Which means she is NOT drawing a paycheck. So who is supporting her? Where is the disclosure you demand of Zimmerman coming from the Martin camp, Mata? Or is it only the man that you would love to put a rope around his neck that you demand disclosure from?
As to John Walsh: he NEVER attached himself to race baiters and riot promoters. Never. Nor did he hire a tony PR firm to represent him. He, and his wife, took their cause on alone, not with the help of hired guns or bottom feeders.
And when someone who claims to support conservatism starts using Huffington Post for reference, their gig is up.
I don’t care about their (either Zimmerman’s or the Martins’) expense accounting. That’s something that both O’Mara and the Judge will care about… and obviously you. What I find find interesting is why Zimmerman chose to withhold that information from the court, his attorney and his family.
Zimmerman’s not knowing about about their son’s ample cash assets, and putting up their home as bail collateral, is not a news tidbit isolated to HuffPo. But nice try…
Instead, that you will choose to pronounce your good housekeeping seal of approval on anyone’s choice to become active in a cause of their choosing, based on whether or not you agree with that cause, proves again that hypocirsy is not confined only to the lib/progs. And I continue to find supposed “conservatives” resisting our judicial system that commonly requires charges and a trial when there is a person killed equally hypocritical. Martin’s family is entitled to justice via a trial, and Zimmerman is entitled to his due process rights via the system as well. There is nothing “conservative” about whining about the way our system works. So I’d say, “their gig is up”.
It’s always fun to watch you make an ass of yourself, retire05. Especially since I’ve never wanted to see anything but a thorough investigation and charges, if warranted, and I don’t give a damn about disclosures of expenses to me, personally.;
On the other hand, you’ve directly slandered a teen you don’t know, repeated lied about facts (i.e. Sybrina “quitting”), and have tried Zimmerman’s case in your own mind, despite not possessing a modicum of the facts and evidence compiled by the prosecution.
Your disdain for our system is pretty nauseating to behold.
Never say never.
Thanks, Mata, for proving, once again, that you cannot tolerate anyone who has a different view point from yours. If HuffingtonPost is just one of the sources available to you, I find it amusing that you chose the HP. Sign of your true mindset? As to the Zimmerman family not knowing about their son’s “cash assets”, I guess you know the balance of your kids checking accounts? Yeah, you are that kind of control freak so you probably do.
Except the article you reference said the Zimmermans did not know the amount of the web site donations. Nothing like a little spin on your part, is there?
And NO, the Martin’s are NOT entitled to a trial of George Zimmerman, any more than the family of some burgler is entitled to a trial of the home owner who protected his family via a firearm. And it was not until the race peddlers got involved, and the Martin family’s lawyer, Mr. Crump, contacted them, did this story go national.
You, me and every American has the right to protect themselves from having some punk kid bash their brains out on the concrete sidewalk. And Americans have the right to the truth, not the propaganda put out by Crump, Jackson, Sharpton, the Martin family and the Martin family’s hired PR firm showing pictures of an innocent looking 12-14 year old Trayvon when he was a school disciplinary problem with gold teeth and gansta tweets.
@MataHarley:
The only ass here is you, Mata.
Please, continue to prove it.
WE are not counting the whites attacked by a mob with hammers an old VETERAN FROM NAM PLEADING AND LEFT IN THE WOODS TO DIE, beating savagely one person because he was white and the mob pronouncing for TRAYVON,
WHO WILL PUNISH THOSE RACIST, WHO WHERE THE TOOLS TO PROMOTE THOSE ATTACKS, to incite the mobs
will they be procecute on the name of TRAYVON, who will erase the pain of those INNOCENT WHITE victims? AND THEIR COST FOR RECOVERY?
one is not concious in hospital, who will pay for their crime as being the source of the assault, AND ALL IS RELATED TO THE CASE YES FOR SURE,
who will pay for the wounds which ZIMMERMAN RECEIVED BY HIS ATTACKER,WHICH WAS LOCKING HIM FROM ANY ESCAPE, LEAVING HIM THE ONLY OPTION BECAUSE HIS GUN, WAS GOING TO HIS ATTACKER AS SOON AS HE WOULD HAVE FAINTED FOR THE LOST OF BLOOD,
WHO IS PAYING FOR THE ZIMMERMAN FAMILY EXPANSES TO RELOCATE AND HIRED GUARD TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, I’m sure that 40ks had a role to play in that, nobody can think that ZIMMERMAN would not use moneys to help his father and wife and whole family, and must have ask those at the police station like CHIEF LEE BEING HARASS BY THE BLACK INCITERS, and the lawyer expanses,
must be aproched, 40 ks is nothing but a drop in a bucket for what the blacks put ZIMMERMAN IN,
HE ZIMMERMAN SHOULD SUE THOSE BLACKS FOR ALL WHAT HE IS GOING THROUGH
@MataHarley:
I’d expect that the senior Zimmerman’s are pleased because they are confident their son will not flee and will subject himself to the authority of the court; and therefore their assets are at little risk. The fact that Zimmerman Jr.’s parents’ home is on the line as opposed to the money of strangers makes it almost certain that Zimmerman Jr. will present himself to the court as required. This is likely one of the reasons why bail was set so low. Moreover, the Zimmerman’s parents probably understand that the $54,000 spent so far likely funded their son’s retainer of legal counsel and other costs necessary to ensure that their son did not get lynched or say become another victim of a ‘drive by shooting’ or (god forbid) that vigilante racial justice was not paid out upon the person of another Zimmerman family member.
Remember, Rev. Al Sharpton has a deadly track record.
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I’d guess the the prosecutor, with the relatively unlimited resources of the state to fund the prosecution’s costs went back to court with an intent to burn-up some of the limited funds available to the defense so as to continue to pressure the accused into copping a plea to a manslaughter charge because accused might not be able afford to mount a competent private defense.
@MataHarley:
Two points:
1) If Sybrina as a matter of fact did indeed quit her job, then a report of such a true fact is not slander.
2) A report that Sybrina quit her job casts an unfavorable light on a mother whom we are coming to know, not upon her dead son.
Question:
Did Sybrina as a matter of fact quit her job or not?
@Mike O’Malley:
So two people are going tell me they dislike my post but no one is willing to tell me whether or not Trayvon’s mother recently quit her job?
Mike O’Malley, I don’t have time to do other people’s homework. I’d say the onus to prove the statement that Sybrina Fulton quit her job is on the person who stated that was so to begin with – and with links that state she did. I’ve already posted the contact link that states otherwise – that she is on a leave with from her 23 year position with Miami-Dade. That you choose not to believe it, and prefer a statement, unsubstantiated, that better suits your desires, is not my problem. Nor anyone else’s.
And personally, I don’t care what her work status is.
@Mike O’Malley:
If Ms. Fulton did indeed quit her job (and there’s no evidence that she did) how, precisely, does that cast “an unfavorable light” on her?
How does that work exactly? I am genuinely interested in knowing.
Have we suddenly time-traveled place in American history where an African-American female doesn’t have the right to decide when or if she will continue working without approval from the overseer?
When John Walsh quit his job as a hotel executive and Marc Klaas quit his job as a rental car agency franchise holder were they, too, cast in “an unfavorable light”?
Or, is that whole “unfavorable light” thing reserved exclusively for African-American females who (supposedly) quit their jobs after their teenage sons are shot to death?
I’m genuinely curious about how it works in the minds of those who wish to sneer and point fingers.
Fulton, 46, is on leave from her job as a program coordinator at the Miami-Dade Housing Authority. She started working there when she was 23.
It was her job to prepare the former residents of the Scott Carver Housing projects to live elsewhere. She worked as a code enforcement officer, helped set up financial self-sufficiency programs and worked with homeowner associations. She’s used to dealing with single moms surrounded by violence and poverty.
FMLA [U.S. Department of Labor on the Family and Medical Leave Act] protects your employment for up to 12 months when you have issues such as death, birth, illness and such within your immediate family.
I think she can ”grieve” however she chooses.
@Nan G:
Sorry, I probably miswrote that.
FMLA allows and protects up to 12 WEEKS of UNPAID leave per year (per 12 months) when you have worked enough years to qualify for that.
She has.
@Aye:
Are you really trying to make a connection between a kidnapped and beheaded six year old Adam West, a 12 year old kidnapped and murdered Polly Klaas and a 17 year old who was beating the head of another person into a concrete sidewalk? And what’s up with the accusations of racial bigotry due to the race of the parents involved, Sybrina Fulton being a black American?
What can we expect from the Martin family? The National Center For The Prevention Of the Murder of Black Children By White Hispanic Racists? I am sure the PR firm hired by the Martins has already thought about that.
Perhaps George Zimmerman should hire a PR firm that will spin the story of how blacks are all racist against Hispanics.
@Nan G:
Everyone grieves in their own way. That’s not my dissent. But why question the money that George Zimmerman has received when you don’t question how the Martin’s are paying their bills? George Zimmerman was dismissed from his job. Sybrina Fulton left hers voluntarily. Did GZ have to hire security to protect his wife and parents due to the death threats they have received? If we are going to demand transparancy from one side, then I want to know who is footing the Martin’s plane fare and hotel bills for rallies in Los Angeles with Al Sharpton.
retire05
you said something very important to keep in mind,
that is; which side has to spend so much money extra to protect their loved one from those threatening lynch killing which already was applyed to lone vulnerable WHITE PERSONS WITH THE NUMBER OF 6 TO ONE WHITE, AND 20 TO ANOTHER WHITE AND OTHER NOT YET IN THE NEWS LIKE THE WOMAN WHICH THE POLICE LEFT INTO A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH RESULTED IN A NUMBER OF BLACKS RAPING HER AND SHE FELL 7 FLOORS, AND MORE OF THAT TOURIST UNPREPARED TO FIGHT BLACKS GOT BEATEN TOO, THEY HAD NO GUN TO SAVE THEMSELVES, SO THE CONNECTION FOR ZIMMERMAN TO PROTECT HIS LIFE FIRST FROM A PITBUL ATTACK, AND FROM
A RAGING BLACK YOUNG PERSON COMING AT HIM AND THEN FROM THE CALL FROM THE ELECTED BLACKS TO LINCH,AND THE MILLION DOLLAR ON HIS HEAD SPAWN THE WORST IN THE BLACK YOUNG SPECIALLY TEENS GANGSTA GROUPS,
HE SURE WAS RIGHT TO PROTECT HIS LOVED ONE AND THAT FOR A LONG EXPANSIVE TIME,
BUT SHE LEFT HER JOB UNAFRAID BECAUSE THERE WAS NO THREAT ON HER AND HER CROWD, THERE IS THE IMPORTANT FACT TO REMEMBER BETWEEN THE 2 OF THEM,
ALL ZIMMERMAN WANTED TO BEGIN WITH THAT EVENT AND TO FOCUS ON, SO TO NOT LOOSE THE INTENT OF THAT MEN, WAS TO HELP FREE THAT COMMUNITY BY BECOMING THE EYES OF THE POLICE, HE DID IT WELL AS ANY HUMAN BEEN WOULD BECAUSE HE CARE,
AND NOW BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE ALIVE, HE IS IN HELL FOR VERY LONG,
BECAUSE THE BLACK WANT TO HURT AND DESTROY HIS LIFE, THEY LOST A YOUNG GROWN UP MEN, BUT IT DOESN’T GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO DESTROY ANOTHER PERSON WHO
SURVIVE THEIR SON’S VICIOUS ATTACK,BY USING THE RACIST TOOL THREAT THEY ARE SO GOOD AT, WHILE THEY ARE FREE FROM THOSE SAME THREATS WHICH TOOK THE FREEDOM OF A WHOLE FAMILY,DESTROYING THEIR LIVELYHOOD
Unbelievable… days later and still a few can’t figure out what the Most Wanted post is about.
Hint… it ain’t about Zimmerman fundraising. It’s not about either side doing fundraising. They are all fundraising, and they will continue to fundraise. BFD
What it is about is the lack of disclosure to the judge during a bond hearing about the true fiscal status of the accused. i.e., the accused said he was broke and didn’t have cash, when he had $150K to $200K in the bank. Zimmerman allowed his parents to put their home up for security, when he had the $15K in his “legal defense/living expenses” fund to pay for it himself. Frankly, if my kid did that to me, I whup him upside the head… but that’s another story.
The judge takes the financial status of the accused into consideration when they set the bail bond amounts. In this case, the accused did not disclose his genuine financial status.
duh…
@retire05:
Let’s see if I can help you out here a little with three simple questions (and we both know you do better with simple):
The obvious answer to all of those questions is “Yes”.
So, that brings us back to the queries that I placed to Mr. O’Malley:
::snip::
Since you decided to stick your nose in, perhaps you can explain, in Mr. O’Malley’s stead, how Ms. Fulton leaving her job casts her in an “unfavorable light”.
Mr. Walsh and Mr. Klaas also left their jobs following the deaths of their children. Are those two fathers also subject to the “unfavorable light” or are they exempt?
If they are exempt, then what is the basis for their exemption?
Was there an accusation of racial bigotry in my response to Mr. O’Malley? Nope. Not at all. I simply asked if the same standards applied to the white guys who lost children and then left their jobs.
You couldn’t possibly be a tad bit sensitive because I’ve touched a nerve during this discussion could you? Nah, it couldn’t possibly be that. Not at all.
In the interest of fairness and not wanting to engage in a rush to judgement, I will ask you to kindly go ahead and explain how the African-American female is subject to one standard while the two white guys get a pass for the same exact behavior.
I’m genuinely interested in how this whole “unfavorable light” business works and how it shines so harshly on some and not at all to others…
@Aye:
1) Yes. The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children was created 3 years after Adam’s kidnapping and murder. For the first two weeks after Adam was missing, the Walsh family did not know if he was alive or dead, unlike the Martin family who knew the status of their son.
2) Yes, but Polly Klaas’ father has nothing to do with the foundation named after her. Her mother is a board member. The original foundation, the Polly Klaas Foundation, was formed to search for the missing (and later found murdered) child. Marc Klaas doesn’t work for or have any part of instead creating KlaasKids years later.
3) Just what “activism” is it that Sybrina Fulton is pursuing? Perhaps it is to educate parents, like Tracy Martin, that when you have a son that has a record of disiplinary problems, you don’t go off to dinner leaving the kid unattended and unsupervised as Tracy Martin did? The only activism I see, at this point, is the activism of the race baiters who are using a tragedy to pump up racial division, using the tragic death of a unsupervised 17 year old for their own nefarious agenda (see: Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson/Ben Jealous)
Now, let’s be quite clear; I NEVER said that Sybrina Fulton leaving her job “cast her in an unfavorable light” and your desire to put words in my mouth doesn’t make them true. I said that if we are to have transparency with Zimmerman, we have a right to expect it from the Martins, as well.
“Was there an accusation of racial bigotry in my response to Mr. O’Malley?
Absolutely, or else you would not have felt the need to mention that both John Walsh and Marc Klaas were white, whereas the Martins are black. Parental loss knows no racial bounds.
Ben Crump, the bottom-feeding lawyer for the Martins, said on Geraldo’s show that the Martin’s have faith in the judicial system. If that is the case, then perhaps you can explain to me why the Martins feel the need to hire a lawyer who specializes in civil litigation suits like Crump, when they, in fact, are being represented by Angela Corey, the Special Prosecutor? Why the need to hire a PR firm? Why does Trayvon Martin’s parents need a tort lawyer to represent them when they are not part of the criminal charges?
If you do not see what is wrong with the actions now being taken by Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, in conjunction with the radical racist, Al Sharpton, then you are blind.
@retire05:
Oh goody. You stopped back by to answer the questions that I posed to you.
Let’s see how you did.
For questions 1, 2, and 3 you get an ” F “ because you engaged in straw man arguments without ever addressing the simple fact that all three questions had two things in common: A dead child and a grieving parent.
Let’s see how you did on the queries that I originally posed to Mr. O’Malley and then invited you to weigh in on:
::snip::
Oh…. you get an ” F “ on those too because you didn’t even attempt to answer them.
You chose to weigh in on the queries that I posed to Mr. O’Malley so, go ahead, answer the questions. You wanted to be in the conversation, have at it. Explain how Walsh and Klaas are held to a lesser standard than Fulton.
And I never said that you were the one who made the “unfavorable light” statement. Nor did I ever attempt to put words, or anything else, in your mouth.
Be very, very cautious when falsely accusing me of something because you’re gonna get burned. Again.
It was you who falsely stated that Ms. Fulton had “recently quit [her] job[]” and it was Mr. O’Malley who brought up the whole “unfavorable light” business. There’s never been any confusion on my part as to who said what.
And your “right” to expect the same from the Martins is based on what, precisely? Oh, that’s right it’s based on nothing whatsoever except for your voyeuristic desire to know. It’s none of your damned business what assets the Martins have or who is paying for their support.
It’s none of your damned business.
Zimmerman’s expectation of financial transparency, however, is based on Florida law. He is legally required to disclose his full financial situation to the Court as part of the bail process. His failure to disclose that $200K as he was legally required to do is problematic.
Well, first of all, if you bother to scroll up you’ll notice that I didn’t use the word “white” in my response to Mr. O’Malley. So, once again, you’re showing yourself to be blatantly dishonest in your arguments.
I did use the word “white” in my response to you however. Try to remain focused on what I actually wrote and to whom I wrote it.
And when did the use of the word “white” become an accusation of racial bigotry? Oh, that’s right…it’s not an accusation of racial bigotry at all. I guess I was closer to a nerve than I originally thought.
Which brings me to the rest of my response to you:
Once again, you score an ” F “ because you failed to even attempt to answer the questions.
I think it’s pretty clear what is going on here and why you’re unable to directly answer the questions being posed to you.
@Aye:
I didn’t answer your questions?
Obviously you are too illiterate to understand what “yes” means (see 1) & 2).
But as is your standard M.O., you can only lob insults and dodge any questions posed to you while you wrongly claim how others are guilty of same.
I think she quit her job so to prepare to SUE ZIMMERMAN, for lost of work and money after the lost of their son, which probably most certain they will SUE, AND HER NEEDED LAWYER IS ADVISING HER
TO CONDUCT ACCORDING TO THEIR INTENT AT A LATER TIME,
REMEMBER WHEN SHE SLIP HER TONGUE BY SAYING THE WORD ” THE ACCIDENT”
AND ONLY LATER RECUSE IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT.
THEY ARE GETTING READY FOR THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ZIMMERMAN AFTER THIS IS DONE,
HE SURELY HAD A GOOD REASON TO NOT DISPLAY FUNDS AT THE TIME OF THE BOUNDING,
THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME TO SETTLE TOO,
I LIKE THE JUDGE, I’M CONFIDENT IN HIM AND THE LAWYER O’MARA TOO, HE DISPLAY CONFIDENCE IN HIS CASE, AND I think they might take their time as much as they need, as long as they need to put the opposit attacker on check.
i’m sure they are in a rush to get their intent start
@MataHarley:
In the post-Tawana Brawley world it seems prudent to maintain some skepticism of those Rev Sharpton deploys as game pieces.
Now I expect that the information about Ms. Fulton could well be a rumor in the service of painting Sybrina Fulton as a low class grifter. In such a situation, in my view, the person conveying such unfavorable information should be prepared to support such information. If no such support exists the unfavorable information should be withdrawn or clarified as appropriate. However, if one characterizes such information as slander, as was done above one, in my view, one has made a factual representation that the information in question is factually wrong. In my view, onus then accrues to the person charging slander to support their own factual representation.
@retire05:
Dayum! Talk about illiterate… I never said you “didn’t answer” questions 1 & 2. I said that you engaged in straw man arguments and failed to address the fact that there were two common elements to all three of those questions.
Of course, those questions were posed in a rhetorical sense with an answer provided, so a yes/no response was clearly not expected from you.
I notice that in your most recent response you still haven’t attempted to explain why the African-American female is being held to a different standard than the two white guys.
I knew when I posted my response way back in #7 yesterday that those on this site with racist views would not be able to resist raising their slimy heads and, of course, you didn’t disappoint me.
Congratulations on that.
@Mike O’Malley:
Scroll all the way up to #1 above and you will see where retire05 made the false statement about Ms.Fulton having “recently quit [her] job[]”.
From there, scroll down just a little to #6 and you will see where Mata has already corrected the record on that matter with cited source material. Mata’s response in #6 was directed toward you specifically.
Not sure why you continue to try and beat a dead horse some 30 responses later but the question of whether Fulton “quit her job” has been asked and answered.
Finally, Mata’s point was that retire05 had slandered the dead teenager, not his parents.
@Aye:
Thank you for taking the time to provide those links. I missed the part about Ms. Fulton’s leave of absence. If Mr. Retire05 thanked Ms. MataHarley for the correction or he countered with evidence showing otherwise … well I missed that too. … and I apologize.
I do think that you misunderstood the context of my comments and questions though I expect you will be pleased as I will decline any opportunity to beat that dead horse some 30 responses or so. Frankly I visited this thread for accurate information and did not want to allow a false rumor in the service of painting Sybrina Fulton as a low class grifter coloring my considerations for long.. I reckon that not much is lost asking for clarification.
@Nan G:
Thank you Nan G for investing time in answering my question.
@Aye:
Let’s get one thing straight, Aye; nothing I have posted about Trayvon Martin can be considered “slander” when everything I have said (about his gansta actions, his disciplinary problems being suspended from school, etc) are true. Unlike the pre-teen who was portrayed in the media, Trayvon Martin was a 17 year old who had been suspended from school for 10 days and sent to his father for that time. Of course, having a PR firm control the dialog about Trayvon, gave Americans a very different view of the young man that actually was, who posted about sex and drugs on his Twitter account along with pictures of himself in gansta pose. Trayvon Martin was NOT a model pre-teen as has been portrayed. He was the same damn age as my father when my father hit Omaha Beach. I dare you to tell me my father was not a man then. He was more man than you can ever hope to be.
The point you tried to make about both Walsh and Klaas being white men and Sybrina Fulton being a black woman is a moot point. Race has nothing to do with tragedy, and the death of Trayvon Martin, by any standard, was a tragedy. You were simply trying to trump a race card, which should have been beneath you. I am sure that Sybrina Fulton was, like many parents when their kids are not doing the right thing, trying to turn him around by sending him to his father.
And you refuse to accept the point that I was trying to make; that if we are to demand accountability from George Zimmerman, and the donations made to him, then we have the same right to demand accountability from Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, who seems to be going all across the nation to attend rallies with a known race baiter and someone who has, in the past, served to only provoke racial unrest (Crown Heights riots).
Then, you accuse others (me) of being a racist. You ignorant ass. What do you know about me? Nothing? Not one thing. You are simply a big mouth that is quick with accusations and slow to answer any question posed to you.
@Mike O’Malley:
Nan is correct that under the FMLA, Ms. Fulton is entitled to 12 weeks non-paid leave of absence from her job for “family” problems. With that said, should we inquire as to how she is now affording to traipse all over the country with Al Sharpton if the purpose is total transparency of the parties involved?
@retire05:
Hilarious. No, you are clearly not biases. For the record, “gansta” s deserve what in term of bullets?
@MataHarley:
The world first became aware of the web site when Zimmerman’s original lawyers announced they were quitting, in part because he had started the web site. Zimmerman was arrested the next day.
Did he have access to computers while in jail?
Maybe he didn’t know how successful the website was.
Mara didn’t find out until he was having Zimmerman’s shut down their website, and they wanted to know what to do about the Paypal account.
@jimrtex:
The fly in the ointment is that Zimmerman (and maybe his family-in-hiding) had already spent around $50,000 from that account, jim.
But, he only knew (maybe) he didn’t have that $50,000 any more.
It was spent keeping him safe in hiding.
We can only guess if he knew more cash was in the account or not.
I had thought I read that he had a relative in charge of it.
And during the bond hearing I thought they asked his family (on the phone) who knew about the account.
No one there did.
They could only speak to their own personal money situation.
@retire05:
Thank you for the clarification Mr. Retire05.
In the post-Tawana Brawley world it seems prudent to maintain some skepticism of those Rev Sharpton deploys as game pieces. Moreover, the initial statements made by Ms. Fulton and a later statement trouble me. Without an opportunity to focus upon reliable transcripts of those conversation in detail I am unwilling to say more other that to say that Rev. Sharpton does not seem to make much of a practice of accusing the guilty.
@retire05: @retire05:
Without doubt Trayvon Martin was affecting the “gangsta”. Without doubt Trayvon Martin was not the first teenage male raised in a female headed single parent household to do so. Without doubt some are adverse to fair and critical examination of a young delinquent, who adorned with bling, may very well have been out of control. There is evidence that prior to the day of Trayvon Martin’s deadly encounter that he had:
Used drugs,
Engaged in trespass,
Was associated with a burglary,
Was in the possession of stolen property,
Was in the possession of a burglary tool,
Engaged in violent assault,
Sold drugs on school property,
and we may reasonably suspect he sold drugs on minors.
To say the least Trayvon Martin seemed to have made it a practice of making ‘poor choices’.
In my view these are serious concerns. Such observations are not slander. It is unfair and unreasonable to contemplate Trayvon Martin’s deadly encounter without taking such observations into consideration.
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BTW: Frank Sinatra Sr. affected the ‘gangsta’. Would making that observation cause one to be similarly accused of racism?
@retire05:
That’s an absolute hoot.
Have you read what you’ve written? You really should.
And, once again, I will ask you: On what grounds do you have the “right” to demand any sort of accountability/transparency from the Martin family? Are your demands for accountability/transparency based on Florida law? US Code perhaps?
Oh, that’s right, you have no grounds for your demands of transparency. And your “right to know” exists solely in the space between your earlobes. As I told you earlier, it’s none of your damned business what the Martins have for assets or what the sources of those assets are.. Yet, you refuse to simply move on from the demand that they satiate your voyeurism.
Unless you can cite a Florida law or US Code section which forces the Martin family to disclose what you want to know, then your repetitious and tedious demands in that regard are doing nothing but making you look like an azz. Again.
Actually, I know plenty about you. You’ve been posting here long enough for us to take it all in but your postings on the Martin/Zimmerman case have been especially revealing.
In this thread, I’ve repeatedly asked you to tell me why and how the African-American female is being held to a different standard than the two white guys when their situations (and their responses) are nearly identical… yet, you cannot (or won’t) do it.
It’s very clear what is going on and I am more than happy to be the one to shine the spotlight on it.
@Mike O’Malley:
And there you go once again engaging in accusations unsupported by fact. That, Mr. O’Malley is precisely the type of thing that you’ve been doing on this site ever since the whole Martin/Zimmerman issue arose.
Surely, you can cite some sort of evidence that Trayvon:
1- used drugs
2- engaged in trespass
3- was associated with a burglary
4- was in possession of stolen property
5- was in possession of a tool used in a burglary
6- engaged in violent assault
7- sold drugs on school property
8- sold drugs to minors
Surely you can cite some sort of evidence to support your scurrilous claims. Surely there are drug test results, police reports, arrest records, or something…anything concrete, to support what you’ve written.
I won’t say that your comments in this vein have been slanderous. They actually fall into the libelous category since they are written instead of spoken.
If what you wrote in #45 above is indeed true then surely, you’ll stop back by and cite evidentiary materials which support each and every one of those claims.
Of course, we both know that this is not the first time you’ve claimed these things to be true. This is also not the first time that you’ve been asked to support your claims with evidence.
We’re yet to see if you’ll attempt to stand and deliver the requested evidence or if, yet again, you will scurry away into the darkness.
@Mike O’Malley:
Just in case you missed the queries I posed to you in #22 above, I’ll post them again here:
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@Mike O’Malley:
If Ms. Fulton did indeed quit her job (and there’s no evidence that she did) how, precisely, does that cast “an unfavorable light” on her?
How does that work exactly? I am genuinely interested in knowing.
Have we suddenly time-traveled to a place in American history where an African-American female doesn’t have the right to decide when or if she will continue working without approval from the overseer?
When John Walsh quit his job as a hotel executive and Marc Klaas quit his job as a rental car agency franchise holder were they, too, cast in “an unfavorable light”?
Or, is that whole “unfavorable light” thing reserved exclusively for African-American females who (supposedly) quit their jobs after their teenage sons are shot to death?
I’m genuinely curious about how it works in the minds of those who wish to sneer and point fingers.
@Nan G:
I looked through the CNN transcript (which aren’t transcripts of the hearing; but of their show), and didn’t see anything other than generic questions about liquid assets. For some reason, they questions Zimmerman’s father about whether George and his wife’s cars were financed or not.
@Aye:
“What is wrong, and the subject of the article, is that the $204K Zimmerman had in his account just slipped his mind during the bond hearing. That he has it isn’t a problem. That he doesn’t disclose it is a problem.
That, Aye, is from your vigalante buddy. Now, since Mata also pointed out that the account seemed to be opened the day before Zimmerman was arrested, and the bond hearing was 10 days later, perhaps you would like to explain how Zimmerman, jailed, had access to his internet site and his PayPal account to know how much money was there? Or are we to assume that the Sanford PD is just so nice they would let him have computer/internet access while being held on a Murder 2 charge?
Mata says that both the Martins and Zimmerman have been fund raising and that there is nothing wrong with that. Yet, she wants transparency from Zimmerman. Again, I ask, and why not from the Martins?
You are the one trying to inject race into the mix by saying that others find nothing wrong with what John Walsh and Marc Kkaas did but do with what Sybrina Fulton is doing, trying to base that on the color of Fulton’s skin. What hogwash. So AGAIN, I ask you, exactly what “activism” is Sybrina Fulton engaged in?
Now, if Sybrina Fulton wants to start an organization that will help prevent other black kids from becoming gansta wannabes, as her son did, and do the good that Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson and Starr Parker are doing for the black youth, I will be the first to donate. But she’s not, is she? She is riding that Al Sharpton wave, hiring the same bottom-feeding PR law firm that is neck deep in the Pigford scandal. Is Sybrina Fulton a grifter? I don’t know, but she sure the hell has surrounded herself with grifters.
George Zimmerman, by our own legal standards, is innocent until proven guilty by a perponderance of the evidence and declared so by a jury of his peers. Until then, not you, nor I, have the right to sit in judgement of him. But actions on the part of the Martins are, at best, misguided, by their associations with bottom feeders.
AYE
we have to keep in mind that the racist are from the black involved in this inciting mode they are in since the beginning, there has been attack on whites JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE already by not one but mob
of blacks racist from 6 to 20, against one white human,
this is a proof of why some of many are finding where the racist card come from,
it cannot be denied that if she hang around those racist out to no good and sending example of it to the street gangsta, they know dam well exist and are happy to oblige that group in HIGHER position which they are using for hurting other WHITES JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITES
@retire05:
And, once again, I will give you the same response I’ve already given to that question at least twice, maybe three times:
ZIMMERMAN IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO BE TRANSPARENT!
There is no LEGAL REQUIREMENT for the Martin family to be transparent.
Dayum! How dense can you possibly be? You keep asking the question. We keep answering it. Yet, you simply ignore the answer and ask the question once again.
Perpetually StoopidTM is no way to go through life.
As to the racism thing…you got yourself into that mess with the things you wrote and your failure to be consistent in your criticisms.
When the white guys are inexplicably held to a different standard than the black female, well, the conclusions about those who wish to apply disparate standards are obvious and easy to reach.
Although Zimmerman spent some of the contributions on living expenses, about $150,000 remains, O’Mara said Friday. O’Mara said he has put the money into a trust he controls until a final decision is made about its use.
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$204,000 collected in donations
-5,000 toward his bond
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$ 199,000 balance, minus living expenses, comes out to nearly $50,000 for living expeses since April 11 when he was arrested. Wow, that’s what I call living!
@Aye:
Aye, in regard to questions you asked several posts back about parents quiting their jobs and some posters making mountains out of mole hills: It is commonly called tunnel vision.