George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of wrongly killing Trayvon Martin, will not immediately have to turn over donations made to his website, a Florida judge said Friday.
Zimmerman collected about $204,000 in donations through the website, but did not disclose the contributions during his bond hearing last week, according to his attorney, Mark O’Mara.
Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda asked Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to increase Zimmerman’s $150,000 bond. But the judge said he would delay ruling on the request, in part because he does not know if he has authority to say how the money can be used.
Lester and O’Mara both said they are concerned about releasing the names of donors to Zimmerman, who has faced threats since the case began making national headlines in March.
“My fear is they may well be targeted for reprisals or animosities or whatever,” O’Mara told reporters after the hearing.
Zimmerman’s family testified last week at his bond hearing that they did not have the kind of resources that would have been necessary to meet the prosecution’s suggested $1 million bond.
Zimmerman, 28, was released Monday on $150,000 bail, 10% of which was put up to secure his release while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge in Martin’s February 26 death.
About $5,000 from the website contribution was used in making bond, O’Mara said. The rest came from a loan secured by a family home.
Although Zimmerman spent some of the contributions on living expenses, about $150,000 remains, O’Mara said Friday. O’Mara said he has put the money into a trust he controls until a final decision is made about its use.
Lester asked for additional information about the accounts but did not indicate when he would rule.
“I’m not going to make a snap decision,” Lester said.
Also during Friday’s hearing, Lester declined to consider a gag order requested by prosecutors, saying it was premature and that none of the attorneys in the case had said anything to concern him so far. CNN was among the media organizations opposing the motion.
O’Mara said he learned about the money on Wednesday as he and Zimmerman were trying to shut down Zimmerman’s website, Facebook page and Twitter account to avoid concerns about possible impersonators and other problems.
“He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about,” O’Mara told CNN’s Anderson Cooper on Thursday. “He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about … $204,000 that had come in to date.”
O’Mara had said earlier this month that he believed Zimmerman had no money.
Asked whether knowledge of the money might have made a difference to Lester, who presided at Zimmerman’s bond hearing, O’Mara said, “It might have.”
O’Mara could not explain why Zimmerman didn’t disclose the funds, but said he didn’t think his client had meant to deceive anyone.
“If that was an oversight by him, then it was. And quite honestly, with everything he’s going through for the past several weeks, if that’s the only oversight he’s committed, we’ll deal with it, Judge Lester will deal with it,” he said.
Florida judge rejects bail hike for Trayvon Martin’s killer
Needs more information about Zimmerman fund raisingSANFORD, Florida (Reuters) – A Florida judge rejected a prosecution request to raise the bond for George Zimmerman on Friday, after it was disclosed that the man charged with murdering unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin had received about $200,000 from anonymous donors to fund his defense.
“I’m not going to make a snap decision,” Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. said during a hearing in Sanford, the central Florida town where 17-year-old Martin was shot dead by Zimmerman in February.
He spoke after Prosecutor Bernardo de la Rionda said the disclosure by Zimmerman’s lawyer on Thursday that donors had contributed “just over $200,000” to his defense meant that the amount of his bond should be reconsidered.
Lester said he needed more information about Zimmerman’s fund-raising before he could agree to any request for reconsideration of the bond.
@c. lindy:
I’m sorry to have say Mr. C. Lindy that your accounting for the Zimmerman family expenditures is as questionable as your uncharitable sneer.
@retire05:
I can only spend a few moments today Mr. Retire05 so I’d like to spend that on a few quick points.
In light of the example I provided of Frank Sinatra Sr. affecting the ‘gangsta’, have any of the participants in this thread withdrawn their charge that you were engaging in racism when you made similar observations about Trayvon Martin?
@retire05:
Fair enough, indeed this seems warranted if one truly wishes to understand this moment in the American public square.
In my view there is no evidence that Ms. Fulton is a low life grifter and suggestions that such be the case distract us from the obvious. Ms. Fulton tells us that she has taken unpaid leave of absence from her job so that she can enter the public square as a political activist. I think that we should take Ms. Fulton at her word.
Since Ms. Fulton, unlike the Zimmermans, is now a willing and active public figure it is fair and warranted to examine Ms. Fulton’s actions with a critical eye that would be inappropriate for a mother grieving in private. Moreover you are correct in my view to question the hidden source of Ms. Fulton’s income. In all likelihood Ms. Fulton has chosen to the life of a paid semi-professional political activist. Is Ms. Fulton receiving a living stipend or a salary from Rev. Sharpton or one of his political-agitation groups? … directly from the Obama Campaign? (unlikely in my view) … from a successors organization to ACORN? … from wealthy Progressives seeking to further a Progressive cause? Or is she in the employ of some other advocacy group. It is fair for us to ask. The answer is pertinent to our attempt to understand this moment.
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In the post-Tawana Brawley world it seems prudent to maintain some skepticism of those Rev Sharpton deploys as game pieces.
Mike O’Malley
hi,
I think Nan corrected the sentence of leave of absence into MONTHS, instead of weeks,
so yes that is past the election, and I was thinking the same thing, of where she would work,
at this time activism for the OBAMA CAMPAIGN, IS QUITE A GOOD CONNECTION TO HAVE FOR HER,
I hope she can work on undoing the inciting the young mob to pick on one white
and beat him as a group, because they can end up dead on the street as time go by, the WHITE ARE TAKING THEIR GUN, TO PROTECT THEIR LIFE FROM GANG WHO JUST GET EVEN CLOSE AS 6 FEET
FROM THEM, THAT’S WHAT I WAS READING SOMEWHERE NOT LONG AGO.
O’Malley said: I’m sorry to have say Mr. C. Lindy that your accounting for the Zimmerman family expenditures is as questionable as your uncharitable sneer.
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The revelation of Zimmerman’s Donor Website and an accounting of expenditures was reported and verified by Zimmerman’s lawyer, April 27, to Judge Lester. The accounting continues to be reviewed by the Judge. O’Mara has also established a Zimmerman Case Donor website after shutting down Zimmerman’s original website. None of this has anything to do with uncharitable sneers… it’s just good old 5th grade math.
O’Mara also said the new website was set up to help raise and accept funds online for Zimmerman’s legal defense which they plan to utilize. O’Mara has proclaimed himself Administrator of any proceeds, past and future. The website will also target misinformation that may circulate in regard to Zimmerman. Essentially, the website is a Fundraising idea, blended with a Public Relations angle. Fifty thousand dollars for living expenses must have also struck O’Mara as excessive for him to take the steps that he took. Consider that we actually have numbers of citizens who live on $10,000 a WHOLE YEAR in this country. Those citizens are the real indigent people in the US.
@c. lindy:
“Consider that we actually haven number of citizens who live on $10,000 a WHOLE YEAR in this country.”
And just WHO would those citizens be? Because any family with a meager $10,000.00/year income is living on much more than that when you consider all the in-kind contributions they receive from us taxpayers; rent subsidities, food stamps, Medicare/Medicaid, utility bill assistance, free cell phone service, TANF and EIC which serves as a one time a year cash payment and makes April 15th a payday for them.
retire05
hi,
funny you just came in with your comment, right as I was looking at FOX about the IRS
DISTRIBUTING MONEY TO ILLEGAL EVEN ACROSS THE BORDERS AMOUNT ALL TO 4 BILLIONS A YEAR,
IT SEEM THEY SAY THEY ARE NOT CHECKING ANY OF IDS THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO,
IT LOOK LIKE A BIG SCAM ,AND ONE FROM THE SENATE WANT TO ABOLISH IT,
IT IS DEBATED AND DOUBT IT WOULD BE ABOLISH,
WOW 4 BILLION A YEAR WOULD BE ANDY FOR PAYING THE DEBT IN AMERICA AT THIS TIME,
WHY THIS IRS SO GENEROUS WITH THE MONEY, THEY MUST GET TO BELIEVE AFTER SO LONG MANIPULATING IT, THEY THINK IT’S THEIR MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT,
HOW ABOUT IF SOME OF THE CHECKS COME BACK TO THEM UNFOUND ADRESS?
WHO DOES IT GO TO?
@Mike O’Malley:
“In the post-Twawan Brawley world it seems prudent to maintain some skepticism of those Rev Sharpton deploys as game pieces.”
Oh, but it is even worse than that, O’Malley. The lies that have come from the Martin camp just see to continue to pile higher, from the first statement of Tracy Martin’s girlfriend, Brandy Green, who told a Florida reporter that Trayvon was sitting on the porch and this man just “came up and shot him.” From Tracy Martin’s statement to the Sanford PD that the calls for help on the 911 tape was NOT his son’s calls, to retracting that later, to the statement by Sybrina Fulton that she felt the shooting was an “accident” until her lawyer got a hold of her and she had to qualify that statement later in the day, to the hiring of Ryan Julison’s PR firm by Benjamin Crump to “get out the word” and create a false image of Trayvon and take him from being a “NO LIMIT NIGGA” to an innocent looking 14 year old as portrayed by the media. A story was built around a racist “white” Hispanic shooting an unarmed Trayvon who was shot for no other reason than “walking while black.” all with the help of Crump, Julison, Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous. These bad actors knew, KNEW the story they were building was false.
But in order for Crump to be able to sue all the parties involved, the Twin Lakes residential complex, the City of Sanford, the Sanford PD, Florida statutes required an arrest of George Zimmerman, even though Zimmerman’s story seemed to play out according to the witnesses who live in the complex. So the Martin family demanded “an arrest” and that opened the door for Crump, the tort lawyer, to sue for millions for his clients. But first, he had to build a story, so he contacted Al Sharpton to take it national on Sharpton’s MSNBC show and he contacted Ryan Julison to work the PR end of it.
Ryan Julison is quite familiar with building false PR. He was the go to PR firm for the lawyers that represented the plaintiffs in the Pigford scandal of taxpayers paying blacks billions of $$ for their ancestors who farmed or “intended to farm.”
Crump called in associate lawyer, Natalie Jackson, to help with the Martin case. Jackson stood by while the claims of racism were lobbed against George Zimmerman, yet, she, better than anyone, knew that George Zimmerman was the farthest thing from a racist due to her knowledge of him during thee Sherman Ware case. You see, GZ was the one who sought justice for Sherman Ware, and Jackson knew this because she was Sherman Ware’s lawyer. And Ryan Julison also knows that GZ is not racist because Jackson hired him to do the PR for the Sherman Ware case.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
This is nothing new. Illegals, working on an ITIN number, have to fill out forms for dependents for tax deductions just like everyone else. So they claim 10 dependents (the maximum you can claim when filling out the forms for tax deductions from a pay check). Not only do they not pay taxes, they then become eligible for the EIC (Earned Income Credit) and wind up getting more back than they pay in.
Since Mexico does not assign Social Security numbers to children at birth, like we do, there is no way for the IRS to verify how many dependents these illegal workers actually have since proof in the form of birth certificates are not required. The IRS simply takes their word for it.
retire05
yes, it show that GOVERNMENT HAS LOST CONTROL OF THEIR MANY AGENCIES
AND SUB AGENCIES AND EMPLOYEES OF ALL THOSE, AND LAWYERS, AND SECRETATIES,
THAT IS A COUNTRY ITSELF AND THEY SEEM TO FEEL IT BECAUSE OF THE DETACH BEHAVIORS THEY SHOW IN THEIR ACTIONS TOWARD THE AMERICANS WHO AFTER ALL ARE PAYING THEIR INCOME
AND THEIR EXPANSES AND THEIR MANY OTHER SPENDING, IT IS OUTRAGEOUS TO SEE THE ESCALATION OF MISTAKES AND LOST OF REGARDS CONCERNING WHERE THE MONEYS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOCATE TO DOUBTFUL RECIPIENTS OF ANY KIND, AND THE PEOPLE ONLY GET TO LEARN OF THEIR MISTAKES IS BY MEDIAS LIKE FOX WHICH KEEP A CAREFUL EYE ON THEM AND INVITE THE MEMBER OF THE SENATE TO DIVULGE THE UNDERGROUND ALLOWED BY GOVERNMENT FROM THE FIRST STEP OF THE LADDER TIL THE TOP GUY WHICH THIS TIME DOESN’T GIVE A HOOF OF SEEING MONEYS WASTED AS LONG AS HE GET HIS BIG CUT OF THE PIE,
BYE
retire05 said: And just WHO would those citizens be? Because any family with a meager $10,000.00/year income is living on much more than that when you consider all the in-kind contributions they receive from us taxpayers; rent subsidities, food stamps, Medicare/Medicaid, utility bill assistance, free cell phone service, TANF and EIC which serves as a one time a year cash payment and makes April 15th a payday for them.
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First, Medicare is not an assistance program. It is an insurance BENEFIT that was bought and paid for by retired employees and their employers… no different than a life insurance policy that you paid for every year. Many widows eek out a living on $10,000 a year. Such people do not have to fill out a tax return. However, I do believe that programs such as Wick, Food Stamps, Welfare, Rent Subsidies and Medicaid are being used as a way of life by some individuals in the US, and it needs to stop. All of these should be considered a hand up, rather than a way of life. My own sister, a widow, lived on $10,000 a year beginning at age 60 through Survivor Benefits of her husband’s Social Security. She needed a hand up at the time and after a year, went out to work for a minimum wage paycheck which helped her situation somewhat. She refused suggestions of concerned friends any other type of assistance mentioned above. Our families helped my sister out financially as much as we could, as we were not wealthy. My sister passed away at age 65 without accepting any assisstance from state/government programs. Both she and her husband worked and paid into SS all those years and she collected on SS Survivor Benefits for only 5 years. Her husband was still working when he died. So when you ask who these people are who live on 10 grand a year, I have answered your question. More importantly, my sister was not an exception. There are many more in this country just like her.
Also of interest are the illegals in the US who work. Most have Social Security deducted from their paychecks by employers, by law. They cannot file an IRS return because the government has no record of them. Their SS deductions just go into the SS coffers. And Mexican workers who have work permit visas from the US government are not eligible for SS. Yes, there are some employers who pay them under the table, but that is illegal and if found out, there are stiff fines and jail sentences if the government finds out.
c. lindy
it seem that your evaluation is miguided
how about 4 billions get out of the coffer to for some are going to MEXICANS who never set foot in the USA.
@c. lindy:
Are you trying to tell us that the only people who are eligible for Medicare/Medicaid are those who have paid into the system, year after year? Please, don’t tell me that you are that damn stupid. Who do you think it picking up the medical bills of all those who live in public housing and having babies that miraculously have no fathers? These are people, families, as you say, who live off $10K/yr or less, but in reality are in the $35-40K/year bracket if you add in all the in-kind money they are enjoying. And many of those M/M recipients have never worked one damn day in their lives.
The fact that your sister refused any financial assisstance from government programs has nothing to do with the actuality that she was eligible for them.
Also, you are wrong about illegals. Many of them do file income tax returns, especially knowing they are then eligible for the EIC, using their ITIN.
@retire05:
Actually, it is you who is wrong about illegals.
An ITIN does NOT allow a person to claim the EIC:
Don’t be such a stranger to the truth.
@Aye:
“Washington Post – 09/02/2011
Undocumented workers got biillions for IRS in tax credits, audits finds
by Lisa Rein
The Internal Revenue Service allowed undocumented workers to collect $4.2 billion in refundable tax credits last year, a new audit says, almost quadruple the sum five years ago.
Although undocumented workers are not eligible for federal benefits, the report released Thursday by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration concludes that federal law is ambiguous on whether these workers qualify for a tax break based on earned income called the additional child tax credit.
Taxpayers can claim this credit to reduce what they owe in taxes, often getting refunds from the government. The vagueness of federal law may have contributed to the $4.2 billion in credits, the report says. The IRS says it lacks the authority to disallow the claims.
Wage earners who do not have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work in the United States can use what the IRS calls individual taxpayer identification numbers. Often these result in fraudulent claims on tax returns, auditors found.
Their data showed that 72 percent of returns filed with taxpayer identification numbers claimed the child tax credit.”
Then there is this:
http://cocc.org/2012//04/illegal-aliens-rake-in-billions-in-income-tax-credits/
Don’t be such a stranger to the truth.
Which side of this debate calls the US Constitution a ”living document?”
Trayvon’s side.
Which side didn’t want to wait for justice but put out calls for ”No Justice, No Peace?”
Trayvon’s side.
Which side has Obama been on?
Trayvon’s side/
So what has been happening?
15 different white people have been attacked ”for Trayvon.”
Blacks, mostly in GROUPS, have attacked white people and all in the name of Trayvon.
Up until a day ago I thought it was 5 or 6 cases.
I was wrong.
15.
1. & 2. David Forster and Marjon Rostami.
Assaults on a pair of Virginian-Pilot reporters in Norfolk, VA, two weeks ago at the hands of 30 black youths, reported for the first time Tuesday, are the latest in a series of attacks driven by a warped sense of racial vigilantism hiding behind calls of “Justice for Trayvon.”
3. A tourist.
Aaron Parsons is being held on a $1 million bail in Baltimore for the videotaped assault and robbery of a tourist on Saint Patrick’s day.
The man who videotaped the beating and posted it online claimed “me an[sic] my boys helped get justice fore[sic] trayvon.”
4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Jacob Palasek and six others.
On March 24-25, a string of attacks in Grand Rapids, Michigan by mobs of black youths injured seven whites in separate incidents.
Five of the injured filed police reports.
Examiner reporter Kyle Rogers interviewed one of the victims, Jacob Palasek, who had been beaten with a chain.
Palasek stated that police investigators feel that all the attacks were related to the Trayvon Martin story. Local news media stand accused of burying the story to keep racial tensions from rising to a boiling point.
11. March 26 Mark Slavin
Two black men savagely beat a 50-year-old man in a hammer attack in Sanford, FL, just miles from where Trayvon Martin was shot.
The attack is thought to be racially motivated, and the victim, Mark Slavin, has been in critical condition since the attack.
He has multiple skull fractures and has developed respiratory problems and his prognosis is grim.
12. Dallas Watts
Seventy-Eight-year-old Dallas Watts claims he was the victim of an April 3 assault in East Toledo, OH, in which a multiracial group of six youths (five black and one white) are alleged to have shouted, “This is for Trayvon. Kill that white.”
Police officials have since attempted to claim Watts “exaggerated” the event, though they still admit an assault and robbery occurred and that Trayvon Martin was mentioned during the assault.
13. Un-named 27-year-old man.
April 9 in Gainesville, FL, 5-8 black men jumped out of a car and screamed “Trayvon” before severely beating a white 27-year-old man walking home alone.
The attackers had selected their target at random.
The victim is coping with substantial injuries, including probable “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.”
14. April 11 A Good Samaritan
A white man that chased down a black purse snatcher has his hands stomped by a black crowd shouting “Trayvon.” They allowed the criminal to escape.
15. April 17 A white 19-year-old male.
In Chicago, two black teens assaulted and robbed their white 19-year-old victim in an attack they admit was driven by race hate. Alton Hayes III stated his sole motive was “anger over the death of Trayvon Martin” and chose his victim because of his race.
Left off this list….
The brutal beating of Matthew Owens where witnesses claim Trayvon’s name was used, but there was also an on-going feud.
And….
The shooting of an unoccupied Sanford, FL police car at the height of racial tensions before George Zimmerman was arrested.
And…..
The vandalism and threats that have been issued in Wisconsin plastered on neighborhood mailboxes, a sticker featuring a picture of Trayvon Martin and the word “Revenge,” and another that said “Kill Whitey.”
Twitter threads for #Trayvon, #TrayvonMartin, #Justice4Trayvon, and #Zimmerman reveal a raw and untouched desire for violent retribution and the most brutal lynching fantasies especially IF the courts don’t go the way the MOB would.
Obama and his anti-law/order philosophy, his ”forget the proper channels, I’ll do it myself” attitude has sown these seeds.
@retire05:
Sigh.
From your very own source:
In your second link there’s this:
The additional child tax credit is a very different animal than the EIC that you were originally claiming they were able to get with an ITIN.
Dayum! Shot down by your very own sources. Don’t you just hate it when that happens?
Don’t be such a stranger to the truth.
Aye, the EIC IS part of the “additional” child tax credit. What part of “a tax break based on earned income do you not understand.
What ever your job, don’t enter the tax preparation business.
Seek help; your ego is getting the best of you.
@retire05:
It is painfully apparent that you don’t even begin to understand the topic of which you speak. Again.
The EIC is a separate and distinct from child tax credits and can be claimed by those with children as well as those without.
I’ve already provided you source materials which prove my point. Hell, even your very own source materials prove my point.
Oddly enough, your cited sources don’t say anything about those filing with ITINs claiming the EIC which is what your original argument was.
So, while I thank you for the career advice, it is you who would more clearly benefit from it.
@Aye:
KMG, YAYB.
@retire05:
Reduced to senseless stammering, eh?
I’m not surprised.
@Aye:
You think you are such a smart fellow. Figure it out. Or are you just too busy trying to play “gotcha”?
@retire05:
Pigford … hmmmm.
Thank you Mr. Retire05.
Unlike George Zimmerman., Sybrina Fulton has voluntarily entered the public arena as an activist. She has voluntarily chosen to be a public figure. You just have to wonder why people are so forcibly determined to exempt Sybrina Fulton from public scrutiny?
Who can doubt that someone is financially supporting Sybrina Fulton? She is almost certainly a paid political activist in a Presidential campaign year. Why shouldn’t Sybrina Fulton’s at many times heated and occasionally contradictory rhetoric be critically examined.
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On one occasion Sybrina Fulton said something unscripted which was devastating to the effort to lynch George Zimmerman, and in my view it more closely matched the facts in the case as we now know them than other things Ms. Fulton has said. she said:
”
She later recanted and all but called for blood. She said:
One need look no further for an instance of slander, blood thirsty slander, than that. No reasonable person can believe that accusation based upon the information that must have been available to Sybrina Fulton at the time she made both statements. If the goal of the retraction were not weregeld, would it not be motivated by a rage for escalatory vengeance? So it seems to me. Given Trayvon Martin’s behavioral problems I’d like to think that Sybrina Fulton would be more circumspect than to accuse George Zimmerman of cold blooded First Degree murder.
Why should not Sybrina Fulton be held accountable for her incendiary rhetoric which has by now contributed to no less than 15 black on white racial attacks?
Retiere05 said: Are you trying to tell us that the only people who are eligible for Medicare/Medicaid are those who have paid into the system, year after year? Please, don’t tell me that you are that damn stupid.
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No, I am not stupid. You cannot get Medicare/Medicaid WITHOUT A US GOVERNMENT ISSUED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. It appears you have been victimized by viral and false emails to the contrary since 2001. Try reading credible sources that are readily available. Viral emails always originate from a graduate of the
University of Stoo-pid.
Do some individuals bilk US Systems. Absolutely, but they are not always who you think they are:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/02/50-charged-in-miami-in-nationwide-medicare-fraud-bust/
@c. lindy:
Exactly where did I say that you could get M/M without a Social Security number? I didn’t. What I said is that you seem to be under the impression that you cannot be eligible for M/M benefits unless you have paid into the system. That is just blatantly false. There are hundres of thousands of people, if not millions, that have never paid a dime into the system yet enjoy the benefits of M/M. Who do you think covers the medical expenses for single mothers without jobs, to have their babies?
I suggest a reading comprehension course would serve you well, unless you are intent on claiming people said things they did not.
Why anyone would portray medicare/medicaid eligibility criteria as the same for debate purposes is simply asinine. Two different critters, and eligibility is unrelated.
There are very few instances where anyone can get Medicare benefits without minimum employment history that would qualify them for SS benefits. i.e. disabled children or disabled spouses, based on the other spouse’s work record. But these are the exception, and not the norm. If you are not eligible via employment history, you can opt to purchase via paying a monthly premium. The Medicare eligibility is easily found on the Social Security gov site, and what it says is that… with *rare* exceptions, you don’t get it unless you pay into the system.
Medicaid eligibility, is state administered and specifics differ. However eligibility is not necessarily confined to an max income cap, and other federal and state requirements regarding residency, immigration status, and documentation of U.S. citizenship need to be satisfied. If there are real property assets owned by the beneficiary, these will be attached, following a death, in many states to recuperate any costs the state incurred.
Is there fraud in both of these programs? But of course. And as c lindy and historic busts point out, many times it’s not the patients, but the care givers and payees of the benefits. But then, there is fraud in just about every industry. As long as there are humans, there will be scumbags.
Statements like “There are hundres of thousands of people, if not millions, that have never paid a dime into the system yet enjoy the benefits of M/M. Who do you think covers the medical expenses for single mothers without jobs, to have their babies?” are so generically vague and devoid of substance as to be embarrassingly ill-informed, if not dementedly confused as to the difference between the entitlement programs and their criteria. It’s highly unlikely that Medicare covers “single mothers without jobs, to have their babies” since 65+ ladies aren’t apt to be getting pregnant. Again, it would come down to the rare exception of a disabled beneficiary in that position, which is hardly common.
As for Medicaid and pregnancy – the program more apt to come into play in that case – without examining each state by state regs, many (if not most) charge premiums and co-pays… ergo “paying in to the system”… again with some rare exemptions. While there are certain services for which co-pays and co-insurance cannot be charged, the majority of the time even ob-gyn services are not covered 100%.
But I’m sure if you have pent up rage, and want to lash out randomly, in general, such broad erroneous statements are quite handy. I’m sure you can find a friendly audience, equally ill-informed and easy to charge up with a “hear hear!”, who will nod their heads in agreement. You’ll get a lot of thumbs up clicks, but losing truth in the debate, in order to rile up the base, isn’t much different than being a sleazy community organizer with an agenda.
“Pregnant Women
Medicaid plays a key role in child and maternal health, financing 40% of all birth in the United States. Medicaid coverage for pregnant women includes prenatal care through the pregnancy, and delivery, and for 60 days postpartum as well as other pregnancy-related care.
Eligibility
States have the option to extend Medicaid coverage to pregnant women up to or over 185% and most states have done so.
Benefits
Pregnant women receive care related to the pregnancy, labor and delivery and any complications that may occur during pregnancy, as well as perinatal care for 60 days post partum.
And from Mata’s link”
“Certain vulnerable groups, such as children and pregnant women, are exempt from most out of pocket costs
I have no “pent up rage”, Mata. It is not my nature. But it seems to be yours in every response you make to me. You are so hell bent, along with your tag-team partner , to play the “gotcha” game that you lose credibility, and simply, in the end, resort to ad hominem against me, or anyone who doesn’t march lockstep with your opinion.
I have said before that I would cease responding to you. But you don’t know when to stop. Outside of the occasional liberal that posts here, I find you to be quite juvenile. But I am REALLY through with you. Attack away. It is your M.O. and only proves my low opinion of you.
retire05 said: Exactly where did I say that you could get M/M without a Social Security number? I didn’t. What I said is that you seem to be under the impression that you cannot be eligible for M/M benefits unless you have paid into the system. That is just blatantly false. There are hundres of thousands of people, if not millions, that have never paid a dime into the system yet enjoy the benefits of M/M. Who do you think covers the medical expenses for single mothers without jobs, to have their babies?
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Read what I said again. My statement was you cannot get SS, Medicare or Medicaid without a SS#. It was MY statement, not yours. I did not say that you made such a statement. The point of saying that was you cannot legally get SS, Medicare or Medicaid without a SS. No SS#… no Gov. handouts. Any credible information source tells us that some people get assisstance when they never worked for a paycheck in their lives. They are referring to widows/widowers. In most cases their spouses paid into SS before their own deaths. Disability benefits also requires a work record and the candidate has to jump throuh hoops and is many times disqualified.
Medicaid is a state function and recipients need to meet state criteria to receive it:
groups vary:
■Aged, Blind and Disabled
■Infants, Children and Families
■Long-Term Care
■ Medicare Recipients
To be eligible for Medicaid, you must also:
■Be a U.S. citizen or provide proof of eligible immigration status. Individuals only applying for emergency services are not required to provide documentation of immigration status.
■Live in North Carolina, and provide proof of residency.
■Have a Social Security number or have applied for one.
You are automatically eligible for Medicaid if you receive any of the following benefits:
■Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
■Work First Family Assistance
■State/County Special Assistance for the Aged or Disabled (Adult Care Home Assistance )
■Special Assistance to the Blind
To receive Medicaid, you do not have to go through a physical or other type of exam. However, if you are applying because you are disabled, a medical exam may be required. If you are applying for Medicaid because you are pregnant, proof of pregnancy is required.
I’ve also read that you must present proof that your annual income is $3000.00 or less.
I made it clear in a former post #65, that some US citizens bilk these systems as a way of life. These are the individuals you are enraged about… just like the rest of the taxpaying citizens.
Additionally, you gave us a link for a website that is up for sale and yields no information on the subject.
http://cocc.org/2012//04/illegal-aliens-rake-in-billions-in-income-tax-credits/
retire05 said to Mata: I have said before that I would cease responding to you. But you don’t know when to stop. Outside of the occasional liberal that posts here, I find you to be quite juvenile. But I am REALLY through with you. Attack away. It is your M.O. and only proves my low opinion of you.
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Are you angry with Mata, or angry with the facts.
@c. lindy:
I’m not angry at anyone. Most people do not warrent getting angry at as they are simply insecure and can only attack, not debate.
Also, since you seem to think that no one can receive Medicaid without having a SS#, please explain the number of illegal aliens who are currently receiving Medicaid benefits in the State of California who has determined that the state has no right to demand proof of citizenship.
Why don’t you Google “Illegal aliens receiving Medicaid benefits” and tell us what you come up with.
@retire05:
Why don’t you tell us about the State of California. I did a little research into it but since it’s your point, you bear the onus.
So, cite some sources and we’ll get down to it.
I did exactly what you suggested.
Strangely enough, what I came up with doesn’t remotely support the story your attempting to sell.
Your point. Your onus.
I’ll give you the opportunity to make your best case before I thump you. Again.
AYE
retire 05
AND ALL
LOOK AT THE BIGGEST AND CLOSEST FULL MOON, FROM NOW 11/30 TO X
WHAT EVER TIME YOU ALL HAVE WHERE EVER YOU ARE,
SHE WILL SHINE FOR YOU ALL
@Nan G:
@Mike O’Malley:
Which points are objectionable?
1) Sybrina Fulton is a public figure?
2) Sybrina Fulton is likely a paid political activist?
3) Sybrina Fulton should be held accountable for her incendiary rhetoric which has by now contributed to no less than 15 black on white racial attacks?
Mike O’MALLEY
LINDY IS PLAYING WITHE LIKE DISLIKE BUTTONS.
Here is a link to information posted on the web by George Zimmerman’s first defense counsel:
Details Regarding the George Zimmerman Defense Fund
I’ll quote from counsel’s accounting:
Emphasis above in bold is mine and is intended to direct attention to unusual and indeed extraordinary costs imposed upon the Zimmerman family by the outrageous lynch mob demagoguery of Sharpton, Fulton, Crump, et al.
@Mike O’Malley:
Mr. O’Malley… I am so glad you decided to stop by again.
I noticed that the questions I posed to you in #22 are still unanswered so I’ll post them for you again here:
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@Mike O’Malley:
If Ms. Fulton did indeed quit her job (and there’s no evidence that she did) how, precisely, does that cast “an unfavorable light” on her?
How does that work exactly? I am genuinely interested in knowing.
Have we suddenly time-traveled to a place in American history where an African-American female doesn’t have the right to decide when or if she will continue working without approval from the overseer?
When John Walsh quit his job as a hotel executive and Marc Klaas quit his job as a rental car agency franchise holder were they, too, cast in “an unfavorable light”?
Or, is that whole “unfavorable light” thing reserved exclusively for African-American females who (supposedly) quit their jobs after their teenage sons are shot to death?
I’m genuinely curious about how it works in the minds of those who wish to sneer and point fingers.
@Aye:
Less than an hour ago this was posted in the [Tampa Bay] Examiner:
So, she hasn’t quit her job.
But she isn’t drawing money from gov’t coffers either.
FLA gov’t sounds like a generous place to work.
Good people there, too.
Sounds like employees of Miami-Dade County are very compassionate toward their fellow workers and that’s admirable.
@Mike O’Malley:
“The mother of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin will be able to take about eight months of paid leave from her county job, thanks to the generosity of county employees.
Sybrina Fulton, whohas worked at the Miami-Dade County housing authority for 23 years, collected $40,825 worth of donated vacation time, county records show. The paid time off is in addition to the nearly $100,000 the family raised on wepay.com and at rallies, which will be used to launch a criminal justice advocacy foundation in Trayvon’s name.
“They are using the money to continue the legacy of their son” said Michael Hall, a graphic designer and marketing specialist who helped launce the Justice for Trayvon Martin Foundation. “They didn’t want a situation where people could say their were profiting off the loss of their son.”
Hall said Trayvon’s parents will become paid employees of the foundation, compensated for their time conducting speaking engagements and other advocacy work.”
Records show 192 county employees gave Fulton some of their hours, and 70 people donated to (Yolanda) Knigh Evans (Trayvon’s aunt and sister? of Sybrian Fulton).
Tracy Martin is a truck driver, and it’s unclear where he has been on paid or unpaid leave. He and Fulton were in London this week speaking at tghe University of Lond and were unavailable for comment.
“Don’t forget there are two people who need to be taken care of here” Hall said. “A lot of the media focuses on Sybrina and forgets that Trayvon had a father, who lived here and co-parented.”
And as should be expected, [former] college student, Jahvaris Fulton, 1/2 brother of Trayvon, will also be employed by the “foundation.” And who better to teach the Fulton/Martin family how to bury all those cash donations that the Sharpton/Jackson duo?
And of course, we know that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the bastions of truth, transparancy and honesty, are guiding the Martins every step of the way (remind me again; how much does Jackson owe in back taxes?).
“Until now, the parent’s extensive travel expenses have been paid either by their attorney, Benjamin Crump, or by whoever invited them to the event they attended, he (Hall) said.”
That should make people go “ummmm?” considering that Crump is NOT being paid for his services and is plunking out big bucks to have the Martins travel to LA, Birmingham, and London. Remember, Crumps fortune comes from wrongful death cases that the previous Florida government (Crist) agreed to settle out of court. A cool $7.5 million settlement.
And a little research (which you can do on your own) shows that then [Justice for] Trayvon Martin Foundation is located at a tony beach front condo high rise in Miami at 5660 Collins Ave. where Miami-Dade records show sells for anywhere between $290K/$500K and is registered in the name of a wealthy textiler.
Of course, the unspoken heroine here is Tracy Martin’s remarkedly understanding girlfriend, Brandy Green, who seems to have been thrown under the bus for the Scheme Team’s media image of the globe-hopping Fulton/Martin “family.”
One other question; since Sybrina Fulton seems to have copywrited her son’s name, and slogans such as “Justice for Trayvon”, one has to ask, how much money was made on the LA appearance sale of t-shirts?
http://photos.pasadenastarnews.com/2012/04/26/photos-rally-for-trayvon-martin-los-angeles/
retire05 it seems to me their slogan; JUSTICE FOR TRAYON,
INFLUENCE A LOT OF CRIMES ON WHITE, AND THEY DON’T SEEM TO REALIZE
WHAT WRONG IS DONE BECAUSE OF THE TRAYON SLOGAN THEY SEEM TO HAVE CHOSEN PURPOSELY FOR ANTI WHITE INCITING TOUCHING THE BLACK TEEN AGES TO ACT BY DOING ATTACK AND VICIOUS ONE TO INNOCENT WHITE UNAWARE OF WHEN IT WILL BE COMING,
SO IF THEY AT THE HEAD OF THEIR CAMPAIGN DON’T TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS, THEY WILL SEE ALSO SOME OTHER BLACK TEENS BE KILLED BECAUSE OF THEM,
THE WHITES ARE GETTING AWARE OF THE CRIMES ON WHITES BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITES ONLY,
AND THEY WILL NOT LET THEM GO UNPUNISH,. AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE KILLED JUST FOR COMING TO CLOSE TO A WHITE PERSON,
NOW THAT’S WHAT THEY HAVE CREATED, THE BEAST WILL TURN AGAINST THEM.
The news search sites, like Google and Bing and Yahoo show only 90 news stories about Trayvon and his mom.
I mentioned Cindy Sheehan in relation to the Martin family a few days ago.
When the LEFT had had enough of her, they dumped her.
Naturally they made sure she ran through all of her son’s life insurance first.
I have no idea how Cindy S. is doing anymore.
She suffered a divorce, her children are estranged from her now, her once-friends no longer give her the time of day.
I hope Ms. Fulton has the kind of inner strength she will need when it is clear that her son’s death can’t be altered enough to suit the narrative the LEFT needed when they first glommed onto it.
@Nan G: and Bees:
if you look at the photos I have linked to, you will see that the drawing/rendition of Trayvon Martin shows not the very youthful/14 year old that the media has portrayed, but a moustached young black man with a nose that seems to have been broken at one time or another. At least the drawing/rendition is a more accurate one that the media wants us to keep in our mind’s eye.
Also, it has been reported (by those who are not buying into the manufactured premise that Trayvon Martin was the epitomy of an Eagle Scout) that his Twitter moniker, “No_Limit_Nigga” is also a phrase connected to a SPLC listed black separatist group, the Florida chapter of The Black Foot Soldiers. The Black Foot Soldiers subscribe to BOW (black on white) retribution through violence.
I hate it that Sybrina Fulton is being drug into a scam that is being advanced by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Benjamine Crump, and others, like Julison, who have close connections to the Pigford scandal. Someone needs to advise her that while everything is great, as long as her son is the flavor of the day, she will wind up being dump when a newer, and more lucrative cause for the race baiters comes along.
@retire05:
Retiro5, the wierdness just got weirder.
The feds are looking to see if they can stretch the law far enough to charge an partly black man* George Zimmerman with a Hate Crime.
Their ”reasoning?”
State prosecutors said Zimmerman profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him.
If Zimmerman is charged and found guilty of a federal hate crime involving murder, he could face the death penalty.
FBI investigators are actively questioning witnesses in the retreat at the Twin Lakes neighborhood, seeking evidence for a possible federal hate crime charge.
Tough row to hoe.
*A photograph recently surfaced which is said to show Zimmerman’s mother in the arms of her grandfather, who is black.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/octoroon
Since we are getting obsessed with what percent which race everybody is, George Z. is at the very least 1/8th black.
Nan G.
THAT WILL HURT THE TRAYVON SIDE IN ONE WAY, THAT ZIMMERMAN IS ONE COUSIN OF THEM
AS FAR AS RACIST inciting they where doing,
HOPEFULY THEY WILL TELL THEIR YOUNGS TO LEAVE THE WHITE ALONE,
does that mean the young will turn on their own color? and beat them with a hammer at 6 to one .
Nan by the way, VIRGINIA arrested 4 teen ages OUT OF 5, for ROSTANI AND FRIEND ATTACK
AND GOOD THAT O REILLY STOOD UP FOR THEM, now the town are debating for fear of be pinpoint as
with racist problems,
I know you will like that news, i picked it on O REILLEY JUST A FEW SECONDS AGO.
BYE
@Nan G:
George Zimmerman is 1/8th black, 3/8th Hispanic, and that makes him as much a “minority” as our first African American president, Barack Obama. And no, considering the absolute corruption of the Department of [non]Justice under Eric Holder, I have no doubt that they are going to try to play the “hate” crime race card against George Zimmerman. But I also suspect that Holder’s Department of Just-Us [blacks] will have as much success with that as he has in recent court cases.
But the timing is also suspect; with black ministers coming out and saying that they will stay at home on election day, along with their parishioners, something has to be done to rally the black vote back to Obama.
What is interesting is the latest on the medical/autopsy reports for Zimmerman and Martin. While the Lamestream media was quick to run with the story of how the funeral director (and former NAACP local chair) who prepared Martin’s body for burial claimed that there were NO bruises on Martin’s knuckles, indicating that he could not have possibly punched Martin, the autopsy report released today stated just the opposite. It seems the skin on Martin’s knuckles was broken while the medical report written by Zimmerman’s doctor the day after the shooting states that GZ suffered a “fractured” nose, two black eyes, lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury.
I guess the next thing we are told by the media is that GZ is being accused of beating little Prince Skittles’ knuckles with his face.
HANNITY
TELL THEM TO ATTACK THE GUY WHO SAID THERE IS FLAWS IN THE CONSTITUTION
AND OBAMA SAID IT TOO.
THE TWO GUESS WHERE SO OUTRAGES I THOUGHT THEY WHERE GOING TO SMACK HIM.
THAT WAS GOOD TO WATCH
RETIRE05
WOOP I LOST MY THOUGHTS ,
MAYBE BECAUSE I just notice i got the 10o on comment,
okay I GOT IT BACK, I just wanted to say, it will be interesting to see
MR OMARA DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT ,
I think he will pulverize their proof so fast they won’t see it coming to them,
all that with a CLASSY PROFESSIONALIST, HE DISPLAYED ALREADY,
AND ALSO THE JUDGE WILL GIVE THEM A LESSON THEY NEED,
WE MUST KEEP IN TOUCH NOW CLOSELY,
DO WE KNOW WHEN IS THE NEXT SESSION IN COURT?
Mike O’Malley
hi,
did you read that news? above on the NAN AND RETIRE05 ?
WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS?
BYE
Mike O’ Malley
the next court session will be ON AUGUST THE 8 TH
BYE
Mike O’Maley
did you check the new POST name ZIMMERMAN DOMINOS…..?
IT is already alive
@Aye:
In light of your evident practice of abusing those with whom you disagree, you can color me skeptical of your genuine interest Mr. Aye.
However, I’ll address your inquiry in good faith by quoting the entirety of my April 29th response to MataHarley:
Emphasis added above today for clarity.
In the running context of the thread I observed that MataHarley made what appeared to me to be a logical error in her criticism of a third party, retire05 I believe, an error which I sought to identify and point out.
You Mr. Aye misconstrued the meaning of my post and the context in which it was written. With a little generosity and more care on your part you could have easily have understood that I do not question right of Sabrina Fulton to advocate for justice on full time basis. I do however question how unjustly Sabrina Fulton uses her time to inflame a racialist lynch mob.
Moreover, a with little generosity and more care any true gentlemen, in my view, would never offer such a off-putting sneering, contempt laden and insulting response such as this:
How about an apology Mr. Aye?