Flopping Aces Republican Debate Open Thread!

@richard Wheeler: 2) vegetarians are less prone to cancer.
Give me a link to the study that proves this.

3) HRC IS STILL RUNNING FOR PREZ..lol
Sorry to disappoint you but Shrillary’s campaign has switched to a “keep me out of jail” campaign.

@Redteam:

Specifically what I disagree with him about is cutting red meat. When you cut red meat, something has to substitute for it, that ‘something’ generally works out to be worse for you. All diets should be balanced to some extent, but cutting red meat to once per week is not ‘balanced’.

A balanced diet, RT, consists of red and white meat, both protein based. We know that one can eat chicken every day with no harmful side effects. We also know that fatty red meat is not good, for the same reason that the skin of a chicken is less healthy. Lean red meat is healthy, no matter what Rich says. But just as you should not eat shell fish every day, you should not eat red meat every day. Diversity is a dietary friend.

@retire05: At least you’re smart enough to know you can’t eat meat every day and be healthy for long-I know a number of men who have survived heart attacks and given up meat. No question most restrictive diets and of course dieters fail. Lose fat and muscle then gain back mostly your fat. Worse than when you started. Weight resistance training VERY positive.

RT—If you are eating red meat every day, and leading a sedentary life suggest you get up, get out, and complete your bucket list ASAP.

@rich wheeler:

At least you’re smart enough to know you can’t eat meat every day and be healthy for long-

Er, where did I say that? Where did I say anything remotely close to that? Have you taken up the nasty habit of our resident gay of attributing statements to people that were not made?

Weight resistance training VERY positive.

Sounds like a metrosexual activity to me. Post hold digging, fence mending, equipment repair, and the activities that ranchers/farmers do every day (that they don’t consider “exercise”) puts your weight resistance training to shame.

@Redteam: Atkins Diet,like all diets, rarely works long term. Increased onsumption of meat and cholesterol flies in the face of American Heart Assoc. and American Dietetic Assoc. who believe this INCREASES the risk of heart disease and colon cancer–Also increases risk of type 2 diabetes.
I.’ve heard it called ” the lazy man’s diet.”–low carbs result in low energy, result in little to no healthy exercise.
Agree on reduction/elimination of refined carbs like soda and energy drinks.

@rich wheeler: 160

Trump is exactly where I predicted he’d be 6 WEEKS AGO

Oh, you predicted he would be way out in first place. Now you understand.

I was mowing my grass and got to thinking, ‘what a waste’ all those vegans out there having to buy their grass when so much was going to waste. A neighbor of mine does huge hay bales with his extra grass, could probably feed all your vegan friends for a couple of months. Where would you like it shipped? We’ll do the first shipment like charity, so it will be at low cost except you’ll have to provide for unloading and storage. I’m sure most vegans have a grass storage room on their houses.

@Ditto: Shrillary is doomed, she’s dropping out and the party is pushing her out. They don’t want to try on someone that may be in prison in January.

Sanders is not a serious candidate. Oh he will get a lot of communist/socialist votes, but thats not gonna be significant. Even with Rich’s support, Bernie might actually pretend to be vegan to get Rich’s help.

RT You are saying the diet that you profess to be on—Atkins–is high carb? Dr. Atkins certainly didn’t plan it that way.
Diets don’t work long term—are they taking your money and you don’t know it’s basic tenets? Typical.—Exercise my friend–that’s the best answer for permanent and healthy weight loss

As you know I’ve never professed support for HRC or Bernie.
Very easy to win Iowa and NH and still lose the nom..
Repubs. are nervous because they know he can’t win G.E. with 21% female vote and less than 20% of Black and Latino votes–just not enough of you old white reactionaries to get him in.
“Blood coming out of her whatever” Exact quote. Surprised he’s got even 21% of female support.

@Rich Wheeler:

You are saying the diet that you profess to be on—Atkins–is high carb? Dr. Atkins certainly didn’t plan it that way.

I did say it above, but I meant to say High energy instead of high carb. I’ve corrected that above. Inadvertent.

You are saying the diet that you profess to be on

The only diet I profess to be on is ‘I eat what I want to’ diet. I said I did the Atkins back in the 80’s and 90’s

@Rich Wheeler:

Very easy to win Iowa and NH and still lose the nom..

Really, which Repub did that in the past?

“Blood coming out of her whatever” Exact quote. Surprised he’s got even 21% of female support.

quotes don’t work for you? I said that is the saying, I did not quote Trump.
Strange that the only persons I’ve even heard discussing that is Dims, they’re not gonna vote for Trump in any case. Oink, oink O’Donnell is not for Trump.

Your frantic worrying about who is going to be the Repub nom is gonna undo all your grass/hay eating. Seems as if you’d start to be concerned about who the Dim is gonna be.

Strange that you think cows are mistreated when they spend all their time eating grass and hay and here you are on a grass/hay diet and think it’s great. Which is it? great or torture?

@Rich Wheeler:

: I quoted Trump and he’s gotta live with it.

Geez, do you realize how upset you will make Trump if you don’t forgive him?

Roger Ailes called Trump and apologized to him for Kelly’s attitude toward him. He offered Trump the full hour on Kelly’s show. Trump told him ‘no thanks’. He wasn’t interested in rehabbing Kelly.

them like picking Notre Dame over LSU and S.F over K.C.

I don’t know many folks that consider picking two correct as a ‘big deal’. but I guess you take your bows where they occur. ND will lose at least 3 in the ACC this year.

I’m not making any picks in Major league baseball this year. There’s only about 3 good teams and I hope all of them (except the Astros) lose. But I am not picking the Astros. Most teams don’t deserve to win, so I’m not picking them.

Atkins is low carb= low energy-low exercise.

Atkins diet has nothing to do with exercise.
High protein = high energy

“cows spend all their time eating grass.”

talking about ‘real’ cows, not Runkle cows.

Where do you want the grass delivered to?

@Rich Wheeler:

You already picked the Astros–you quitting on them.?

I don’t think I’ve ‘picked’ anyone. Maybe favor, but I haven’t made any picks.

Real cows?–90% of meat we consume come from factory farming

That’s not my fault. I don’t ask Walmart where they get their beef, and don’t care as long as it’s US certified.
Why would I or anyone ‘fib’ about seeing a movie? Do you think I committed a propaganda film to memory? Why would I? Do you think most stories/situations have at least 2 sides? Do you think Farm to Fridge was made to exploit one side of the issue? I’m not a fanatical nut. I usually resort to reasoning.

I buy little of his Trumpist speak.

Running scared? You are clearly in near panic state about Trump. He’s saying what the people want to hear. They love him, so far.

I need an address for the hay/grass we’re sending.

@Rich Wheeler:

Farm to Fridge Propaganda??
Insider film of Planned Parenthood Propaganda?

Absolutely, they both show the message the film maker wanted to be seen.

Will you stand up and proclaim yourself a proud Trumpist??

the day after you say who you are endorsing.
I will support the nominee of the party if it is NOT: Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Christie and a couple of others.
I do not support Hillary since she won’t be a candidate, or for any other reason.

or make excuses for your lack of conviction?

Seems as if you have a major problem with conviction.

Save your hay and grass to lie down in..

and waste all that vegan feed?

@Ditto: Even tho I have assured Richie that Shrillary is dead (politically) he won’t admit it. Hillary will be lucky to stay out of the slammer. If she were a US Marine, she would already be in the tank.

@Ditto: Trump vs Sanders? You must not be a betting man Ditto.–Its like asking me Phillies vs. A’s in 2015 W.S. or Raiders vs Bears 2016 Super Bowl. It ain.t gonna happen!–100-1 or more.
If it did, as mentioned, Trump’s problem will be with women–under 25% and minorities–under 20%. Hard to see any path to victory with those numbers.
BTW I respectfully ask all carnists like yourself–how’s your health?–no meds?

@Ditto: Free of human exploitation a cow can live for 25+ years. Used as a baby and milk machine the body of a cow, in the dairy industry, typically gives up when she is 4-5. Sent off to slaughter by the dairy farmer to be murdered for her flesh and skin.
Often they are so weak forklifts are used to carry these “downer” cows to the slaughterhouse–houses of slaughter. There is no such thing as humane slaughter of animals including human animals.
” Farm To Fridge” depicts this graphically– I realize watching this may not change your thoughts but we’re gonna keep showing it along with “Earthlings” to young people nationwide so they can be made aware of the truth about factory farming. They can then make their own INFORMED choices.
Semper Fi

@Ditto: When I was young, we raised chickens. To kill them, we either rung their neck or chopped off their head.. We did not torture them prior to either one. we slipped up on them. How much more humane could we be?

@Redteam</ One last time. I.am talking about factory farming, slaughterhouses hidden away in places like Vernon Ca. where thousands of animals trucked in zero dark thirty and slaughtered mercilessly–daily. These factory farms, slaughterhouses are nationwide and provide over 90% of the meat Americans consume
You're talking about Old McDonald's Farm –ey aye ey aye oh.
BTW I understand that old people like yourself don't want to know or even worse don't give a sh–. Young people are learning.
The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice. MLK

@Redteam:

You can not say, with a straight face, that Farm to Fridge is not a propaganda film made to show the side of the situation that the Gay Animals rights crowd wants to show.

Of course it is. And it is also grossly misleading.

What do you want to bet that our resident Animist, Rich, has never set so much as one foot on a dairy farm especially when he makes statements like this:

Used as a baby and milk machine the body of a cow, in the dairy industry, typically gives up when she is 4-5. Sent off to slaughter by the dairy farmer to be murdered for her flesh and skin.
Often they are so weak forklifts are used to carry these “downer” cows to the slaughterhouse–houses of slaughter. There is no such thing as humane slaughter of animals including human animals.

How do you “humanly” kill an animal? Perhaps Animist Rich doesn’t understand the root of the word humane.

And of course we know that dairy farmers are going to sell/kill off those 4-5 year old cows when it takes that long for them to start producing peak milk production. What farmer doesn’t want to cull their herd when they are in peak production that can last for years?

Perhaps Rich should tell us how many cows he has bought and taken home so they would not be killed off for meat production or used as baby/milk producers. Surely his neighbors don’t mind the manure stench. I mean, if you are really into saving animals, don’t you actually save them?

Or is he just like the radical left wingers are about guns; they don’t want to own one, and they don’t want any one else to own one, either.

Remember, he never answered me about how he feels about the mommy of the dogs he purchased being raped in order to produce a litter from which he picked his dogs.

@retire05: I support monetarily farm sanctuaries in California. I do what I can for animals–I don’ t say a negative word about pro-life organizations–why would I..
Continue to do what you can for what you have a passion–as will I.
Like most young people I visited dairy farms as a kid.
You tell me—did we have huge slaughter houses in the 50’s and 60’s Was Factory Farming what it is today–did it even exist?
I’d appreciate your input on this question–Thanks

By definition—I’m not an animist.
You are a carnist.
“humanely” You know this O5

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@Rich Wheeler:

By definition—I’m not an animist.

Actually, you are. Or a cultist. Take your pick.

You are a carnist.

Carnist: A derogatory term used by militant vegans against people who do not share their beliefs, similar to the terms heathen and infidel used by religious extremists.

“humanely” You know this O5

I know the root of the word “humane” and “humanely”
Not applicable to animals except in the Animist crowd.

@Rich Wheeler: Rich, you seem to be stepping in more doo doo with each step.