And so hookers in Nevada could get tax exemptions.
A final effort by Senate Republicans to halt cuts to pensions of military retirees failed late Tuesday, after Democrats blocked an amendment to the controversial budget bill.
The two-year budget agreement, which cleared a key test vote earlier in the day, was expected to get a final vote no later than Wednesday.
Ahead of the final vote, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., tried unsuccessfully to use a parliamentary tactic to force a vote on the amendment, which he wrote to undo the cuts for military retirees.
A provision in the already House-passed bill would cut retirement benefits for military retirees by $6 billion over 10 years.
Sessions wanted to instead eliminate an estimated $4.2 billion in annual spending by reining in an IRS credit that illegal immigrants have claimed.
He and fellow senators argued the bill unfairly sticks veterans and other military retirees with the cost of new spending.
“It’s not correct, and it should not happen,” Sessions said on the floor.
“By blocking my amendment, they voted to cut pensions for wounded warriors,” he said afterwards. “Senators in this chamber have many valid ideas for replacing these pension cuts, including my proposal to close the tax welfare loophole for illegal filers, and all deserved a fair and open hearing. But they were denied.”
Sessions’ office claimed the vote Tuesday to block the amendment was a vote to “cut military pensions instead of cutting welfare for illegal immigrants.”
Disabled vets are not spared either.
There is, however, money enough to study duck penises, provide “lifestyle lessons” for Senate staffers and more:
•$10 million for National Guard advertising tie-ins with the “Soldier of Steel” movie, despite budget cuts reducing the Guard’s strength by 8,000 soldiers.
•$7 billion for the Pentagon to destroy vehicles and other military equipment used in wars in the Middle East rather than sell or ship the items home.
•$17.5 million for special tax exemptions for Nevada brothels, including tax deductions for groceries, wages for prostitutes, rent and utilities.
•Nearly $1 million since 2010 for the National Endowment of Humanities “Popular Romance Project,” which studies romance novels, films, comics and Internet fan fiction.
•$630,000 spent by the State Department to buy followers on its Facebook and Twitter accounts.
•$325,525 for a National Institutes of Health study that found wives would be happier if they could calm down faster during arguments with their husbands.
•$150,000 to support the Puppets Take Long Island festival in Sag Harbor.
The cuts would save $6 billion over ten years. Unauthorized illegal aliens receive $4 billion in tax credits every year.
Senate Republicans tried to block the bill, but democrats stood with the illegals over the veterans.
Member of Congress and civilians employed by the government are not affected.
Congress is cutting the pensions of those who served our country so that illegal aliens would not have to do with a little less. The world is going to hell.
I think this is absolutely outrageous. What do you think?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@Joe:
No. I don’t consider that slavery and if the folks that were slaves back in the days of slavery in the US they would have hurt feelings with you for insinuating the Chinese live in the same conditions that they did. I don’t personally care how the people in China live. They’ve made their choices in government in the past and are paying for it now, kinda the direction we’re heading here under Obama.
why would I want to? I already know the answer, I don’t have to prove to myself that I’m correct and I sure don’t care what you believe happened over a 100 years ago. No matter how many times you rehash it, the same people will be dead. (As a matter of fact, they’re all dead now)
Joe
I tried hard to restrain myself, from the start of your ranting spiting all over the place,
on any CONSERVATIVES past and present,
you had your chance of taking it back and regurgitate all your lies,
yes you are a liar, and no one believe you,
if there was one left on your side, he’s gone, far enough so to not catch your sickness,
it’s all in your brain like the side you cover, it’s on the open now for all to see,
YOU HAVE A DISTORT SICK MIND, GET SOME HELP, BEFORE THAT BEAST EAT YOU ALIVE,
frankly, I doub’t on the healing process, you are tormented by your desease, and you want to take the good peoples with you, that is what the devil is doing now in AMERICA, BY USING THE PAST PRESIDENTS TO COVER that devil destructive dark intent,
no need to explain now you are uncovered,
@ilovebeeswarzone: Good comment bees, I guess you can tell I don’t take him seriously. I think he’s just a shill put here by the Dimocrats, but he’s having a hard time selling his lies. I don’t believe anything he’s written but sometimes what these type people say is just too strange to leave them alone. I’d rather do as I’ve done and make them show who they really are. As you recognize, he started out saying he is a conservative and a republican, but he has shown that he is really a liberal that was trying to mislead us into believing that he was something he’s not. No, he has fooled no one. It’s fun to fool with some of these people.
Redteam
good that you are here to prove him a liar,
we gave him the benefit of the doubt but he proved he was fabricating all the way
from the first comment he did,
IT prove how much chances the conservatives can allow to his kind,
and he is one of many, trying to SNEAK IN THEIR LIES,
AGAIN WE HAVE THE PROOF OF THEIR SNEAKY WAY TO OPERATE BY ALWAYS BLAMING OTHER PARTY FOR THEIR FAILURES, THAT IS COWARD,
AND AGAIN HE , LIKE THE OTHER SNAKE HAVE THEIR HEAD CRUSH UNDER THE HEEL OF CONSERVATIVES, WHO SEE HIM AND ALL OF THEM COMMING, BUT POLITELY GIVE THEM SSOME ROOM, BEFORE CUTTING THEM OFF,
THIS PARTY HERE IS TOO STRAIGHT FOR THEM, THEY SHOULD BE DEMOLISH EVERY TIME THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTH< OR TYPE IT IN THE WEB,
YOU"RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF IT HERE,
IF I see them, imagine how obvious they are,
bye
You ignored the distinguishing point I was making, and instead only picked up on spelling. Who cares about how either nouns are spelled except you? This isn’t a win for you by any means. *Laughs* The main idea of the post was to show that George Bush and Wall Street work together. We’re talking about an Oligarch (among the other Oligarchs).
They are a team! Understand now? I would have though with your education and intelligence you would have understood my point; unless of course you were ignoring the point and instead resorted to shameless childlike argument over spelling. *laughs*
What? Only the rich folks want to privatize Social Security. Doing so would be the largest mistake made since the Enron scandal. Rather than trying to list the Pros and Cons on this post, I defer you to the following website:
http://socialsecurity.procon.org/
Democrats had quite of few contributions. But the most popular I’ve enjoyed by them are overtime for employees, and lately their hard push to end the credit card scandals and illegal foreclosure of homes. Elizabeth Warren is perhaps one of the strongest Democrats who support imposing strict regulations on banks, credit card companies, and mortgage firms. She’s made it her ambition (rightfully so) to help the middle class and the poor who are being squeezed to death by the global elitists, and yes the Republicans who seem to back the global elitists agenda.
At the same time, Democrats have also been caught supporting financial fraud. I recall the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac scandals which led to the most rip-off subprime mortgaging in history. THEN when the consumers could no longer afford the ever increasing interest rates on their mortgages, they were screwed out of their homes, and thus the homes went right back to the banks. Both the Republicans and the Democrats appear to have favored this tactic. However, it’s the Democrats who are now fighting against this tactic.
No matter how you look at it, both sides are guilty on this issue (financial fraud) and thus my reasons for choosing to ignore both sides of the isle, and instead push for newly elected officials to serve in our Government. We need people who are not going to be lobbied by special interest groups, big banks, and Wall Street.
OK so all disabled veterans who are rated at 100% percent disabled should be cared for. EVEN if they have the appearance of being health. Sometimes when I hear jealous civilians wishing they too had medical compensations for their service, I want to slap them. But instead I always say, as I told one former fellow employee at my last company, “Shut up or sign up! Nobody told you not to join! And don’t criticize those who put their lives on the line for you!” Unless someone has been in the service, they have no room nor the right to dictate our benefits.
I understand that it can be costly. And perhaps you are right. A member of society considering enlistment within the armed services should decide if the benefits are worth the risks. But before they can make this determination, they must first be properly informed. This, as we all know, never happens.
If you are injured in the military, then it is as military reason. I’m assuming you are referring to a military member who is injured in a car accident while on duty. Even so, the Air Force (a few years back) began introducing a “line of duty” determination. For example, a fellow subordinate of mine lost his life in a ATV accident; this was an alcohol related incident. This member was not wearing the appropriate PPE safety gear. As a result, the member’s family was denied military benefits, and the ex-wife did not receive life insurance compensation. The only benefit awarded was a paid military funeral (I was the speaker who gave the Eulogy), and the daughter was provided a limited financial portion. I am unaware of any other benefits.
Now lets suppose we have a member who is doing his normal job state side. The risks at home are nearly the same as abroad, DEPENDING on the type of job he/she has. I was an F-16 Mechanic (Crew Chief) and the job I did at home was actually more risky than abroad (deployments). Why? Because at home, the flying schedule to maintenance loads were much higher than abroad. This is because Pilots have to maintain their training, and so more aircraft are scheduled for excessive sorties (flight missions). Abroad, however, planes are scheduled in shifts, where a squadron might flight 6 aircraft for 5 hours, and then stagger into another six….and another six…and so on. Thus, the flight times are longer, but the actual work loads are much lighter. Thus, because of the higher operations tempo at home side, a troop is more likely to be injured than abroad. At the same time, a troop abroad, especially in a war zone, is obviously prone to injuries relative to munitions fire.
Now having said all of this, are you somehow suggesting that compensation and benefits should be based on where a person is injured? In other words, if a crew chief loses a finger or a leg doing the same job another crew chief performs abroad, and who also suffers the same type of injury, that the member abroad should be entitled to more than the member working at home? Please clarify your point.
No matter how you look at it, I get the feeling you are a little jealous. I don’t want to make this accusation, but you seem to be so concerned about members being over-compensated or something.
Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my post. I didn’t mean a person should be provided a list of risk-injuries, but a notification that IF he/she is severely injured, that they would receive minimal compensation with little chance of being able to sustain themselves and their families on that income alone. This means if the member loses a limb or two, and they are rated 100% disabled, they must know that their compensation will not be enough to cover cost of living for themselves and their families. As I’ve stated, I know of Veterans who were forced out before retirement, and are having to survive on roughly $3,000 per month. This is ONLY enough if you own a house with a low mortgage (very low), and only possess the basics (food, electric, water) and at least one car that is paid for. The rest will have to cover the ever increasing cost of food and gas. Food for a family of three or four can range anywhere between $500 to $800 per month; less if they are buying cheap and unhealthy junk foods.
That’s great! Congrats on your service. But out of curiosity (not any of my business) why didn’t you make a career out of it?
But let me be clear on one thing. The noun, “Volunteer” does not mean that the member enlists without any expectation of compensation or benefits. I know the Democrats from the Clinton Administration relied heavily on “Volunteers” to serve with very low pay, and declining benefits. This is what led to the retention problem in the late 90’s. George Bush saved us after he was elected, but later many of us realized he was merely trying to beef up the military in preparation for his previous planned war against Iraq. And even then, during the war, he secretly began drawing down the military in order to help the Air Force afford the EXPENSIVE F-22 and F-35 programs. We were briefed about our commanding officers that we (the members) had to make sacrifices in order to reduce the budget. And boy they weren’t kidding! I averaged 72 hours a week with absolutely no time off for six straight months. The heavy work load eventually led to 16 trips to the emergency room from excessive stress, fatigue, and chest pain. My symptoms included panic attacks, fainting, and dehydration. Three people I knew personally died from heart attack during these critical months as they were forced to endure long hours, weeks, and months without almost no time off. Put it to you like this. Our Wing Commander was the first Full-Bird Colonel to be passed up for his star in over 13 years. His goal was to drive as many career Airman out as possible in order to help the Air Force save money on retirement. They were trying to convince the older folks such as myself to quit. I actually almost vomited after hearing a Chief Master Sergeant, “what’s best for the service is a must; members are expendable”. This of course is incorrect, as our PFE Study guides taught us that service men and women are the air force’s greatest asset; at least in the text book we were. *laughs*
Finally, I understand you may have some concern about compensational fraud. All I can say is that you cannot judge a persons disability from external appearances. Many people at my former company did not know the extent of my injuries; they saw me limp at times, but walk normal while on pain medications. But none of them knew until later what I was hiding under my shirt. Only then did some of them begin to realize how crazy I was for trying to work. Yes, I’m a work-a-holic and I do so by choice. Unfortunately, finding a job has grown even tougher, all thanks to the global elitists, banks, and corporations who have managed to yank for themselves a 500% (plus or minus) pay raise, while the working class continues to be stiffed with long hours, low wages, low benefits, and high taxes.
Unless I’m mistaken, the old Montgomery GI Bill was paid for by the member during their first year in service. However, those of us who served after September 11th were awarded the Post 911 GI Bill. Either way, those are very excellent benefits; I’ve just completed using mine up.
Serving with pride is awesome! I know very few members who did not serve with pride. But pride and financial compensation is two different attributes. A prideful member who happens to benefit from monetary compensation for injuries acquired while active duty is not a bad thing. Unfortunately for many, compensation is an unfair proposition for those who are not benefiting from it; hence the word, “jealousy”. I hope you are not jealous. Perhaps if you had made a career out of it, instead of only serving four years, you might have a different understanding and perspective. Even so, the four years you did serve is still honorable. And I thank you as a fellow servicemen.
Wow! So now I’m a liar? Do I need to fax you my credentials? *laughs* Oh that reminds me, you mentioned something about a tech school diploma. You are in error because I did not receive a “diploma” or “certification certificate”. I enrolled in a Degree program in which A/C and refrigeration Repair was my core requirement. As with many other college students, I had to take English, writing and math courses. This was a two year degree program. Unfortunately, because I did not make a career out of A/C services, I chose to stick with Auto-Paint and Body. Yes, this was NOT a Degree; this was a Certification course taken from High School and into training center at my home town. I was also trained by family members, and I’ve worked several Auto-Paint and Body Shops before enlisting in the Air Force. The Air Force did not enforce the CCAF program, but they highly recommended it. I of course did complete my Community College of the Air Force in conjunction with online courses while active duty. SOME of those credit were not worthy so when I enrolled with my latest institution, they rejected some of the credits, and I was thus forced into enrolling as an undergraduate. The only thing I can think of was that the school wanted me to start from the beginning so that they could make more money, knowing that my Post 911 GI Bill would only cover one degree program. So the 20+ years of college I’ve had had been wasted academically, but it did made college very easy for me.
Now since you are so concerned about me, I’m curious as to what Degree programs you have acquired. What’s your major? Here is your time to brag about yourself my friend.
Liberal fruitcake? I’m not the one who jumped ship! *laughs* You say you overpaid into the Social Security System, and so you are entitled to what you are receiving. I of course agree; you are entitled. But so is every Veteran who has served in the armed forced; this includes you. I’m not sure if you are receiving any benefits from the military for having only served four years, but if not, you should not be jealous of those of us who are receiving benefits. The way you talk, you sound as though you have a little animosity towards veterans who are receiving retirement and/or compensation. If they are, then instead of insulting them, why not shake their hand and embrace them as a fellow brother who went above and beyond the call of duty?
Have a great night, but hard hearted friend.
Joe
Joe
DON’T MISUNDERSTAND OR PRETEND TO KNOW OUR FRIENDS HERE,
AND SAY HE DOESN’T CARE IS SHOWING HOW EASY YOU MAKE ERRONOUS JUDGEMENT LIKE A GOOD LIBERAL YOU ARE, THE HATE IS FROM YOU, SINCE YOU START,
ON ALL YOUR COMMENT, SO BEFORE YOU SAY OF ON HERE HE IS INSENSITIVE,
THINK AGAIN, THIS MAN HAD SERVED ALSO HEROICLY HIS MISSION IN HELL,
@Joe:
Oh, I understood your point, you just missed mine, which is that there is no similarity between Wall Street and George Bush.
So, you’re saying you don’t understand Social Security either.
Wow! so Dimocrats invented overtime. Who woulda thunk?
You conveniently left out the part about, Clinton and Obama are the ones that insisted on banks lending money to people to buy houses without having the means to pay the mortgages.
all kinds of examples can be given, some good, some bad. I’m not a judge so it’s not up to me to make determinations. Here is only one story. I have a neighbor that was in the Army, he was at a bar with friends drinking one night, not in uniform and he got shot. He has been drawing disabled vet benefits for 40 years. I don’t begrudge him, they made a judgment, who am I to say if it was wrong or right.
What a dumb thing to say. So if someone is enlisting, someone should say to them. Look, if you lose both legs, here is the compensation you will receive for the rest of your life, plus full medical coverage for you and your family, plus money every year for convenience items, such as a wheelchair, when needed, a ramp for your car, and on and on. Now if this is not going to provide you with your standard of living you should decide to not enlist and find something that will fit your life style better. You don’t think that happens? You don’t think people ask those kind of questions when they are enlisting?
That is not much, but a lot of people live on less. But you forgot to include all the benefits they receive in addition to cash, they get health care, home improvements necessary. I’m guessing, but don’t know, that when they turn 62 (or 60 if disabled) they also get Social Security.
Because I had just gotten married, to a hometown girl, was still only 20 years old, had been E-5 for about a year, had gotten accepted to a University, got out, went to school, got a good job with a major manufacturing company, got to be an executive with that company, worked til I was 60, got an excellent retirement package. There were no wars going on at the time. What would you recommend I should have done differently?
No, I do not. That is passed on by the military, I don’t second guess them.
When I enlisted, there was no GI Bill. After my enlistment, somewhere along about 1966 the Congress passed a new GI Bill and made it retro for the time there was not one after the Korean Era GI Bill had expired.
You are the one that said you had ‘several degrees’ with a 3.96 gpa. When I asked you said you had enrolled in two different technical schools and apparently didn’t finish either and did not receive a Bachelors degree. I’ll let you decide if you were truthful or not. I don’t care one way or the other.
You said:
and then you said:
Seems a little confusing, but it is what it is.
I have no need to brag about myself. I have a technical school certificate in computer programming. I have two bachelors degrees, one in chem eng and one in a Science and technology.(both with honors) It is a major college but I’m not going to name it because some on this blog accumulate information for purposes that are not good. I don’t want my school dragged into the conversation.
Overpaid into social security. Yes, I paid into it for over 40 years, had that money been invested into the stock market, it would have been worth many times the benefits I draw from SS. (that’s true of most in the program)
Benefits? The major benefit was my contribution toward the USA being a free country. (Though Obama is trying to kill that.) Other benefits, the GI Bill for 4 years of college, one VA loan for a house. A headstone when I die, and if there is no other way I can get medical care, I can get it from the VA, but I have medicare so don’t need that.
I’m not jealous of any benefits that any veteran is receiving and I’d like for you to show where I have any ‘animosity’ toward vets.
I challenge you to show where I’ve insulted any veteran (based on military service) I don’t have any problem calling you a liar because you’ve proven that, but it has nothing to do with you being a veteran. There are some veterans that I insult, but not about military service. Anyone that is fool enough to buy Obama’s lies deserve to be insulted.
Greetings everyone. I’m not sure why my last few posts were not applied, but I’ll take that as a sign to get the discussion back on track.
The topic of course is about the COLA disabled veterans and retirees rely on in order to keep afloat of this economical turmoil. Some feel that COLA adjustments were not promised and therefore should not be expected. This may be good for retirees who are able to work. But for those who live on a fixed income, in time as the cost of living continues to increase, their retirement pensions and/or disability compensations will be insufficient to live on. And if they are unable to work (as ordered by their VA Disability package), then they will be out of luck.
The DoD seems to think that it needs more money. This may be true, but I suppose the first thing they should do is to account for the 2.4 Trillion dollars that are unaccounted for (not that I did not say missing). Donald Rumsfeld admitted this fact the day prior to 911. If the DoD is that incompetent to account for 2.4 Trillion dollars, then shouldn’t their funding solutions come from somewhere within the DoD besides a members EARNED retirement?
I know from first hand experience that even the Air Force wastes hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars each year. In order for the Air Force to receive the same funding appropriated the year prior, any left over funds had to be spent on self-help projects (we’re talking hundreds of thousands of dollars) involving wall painting, concrete replacement, facility renovations, and so forth. While this may not seem like a bad idea, it is for one simple reason. These funds because these appropriations are already allocated through Civil Engineering (CE). So a unit with 1,000,000 dollars left, the fiscal year flying schedule could easily appropriate left over monies to retirees or even medical care. Then again, even medical care receives annual appropriations. Even so, the point is simple; share the left over money where it needs to be, and not for “show-and-tell” facility upgrades.
Retirees make up less than 1% percent of the population. There are not enough retirees receiving pensions so high as to drain the military of its ability for attrition. This is all hype and I’ve listened to this whine for 20 years while active duty. If there IS an expense the DoD needs to deal with, it is certainly not from the enlisted force. A retired four-star general receives roughly $10,000 monthly nearly 10 times higher than the average enlisted member. A CMSgt (E-9) might retire with about $5,000 +/- depending on time served. But there are far less retired CMSgt’s than Generals.
Over all, there are other measures the DoD could take to keep good will and integrity with its retired members. It isn’t fair to balance the budget on the backs of those who have worked so hard for.
Hope everyone had a joyous Merry Christmas. May the new year bring in blessings, fortunes, and opportunities. God bless.
Joe
Joe, YOU ALL ARE NOT SERVED WELL BY THIS OBAMA ADMINISTRATION,
YOU ARE THE TREASURES OF AMERICA AND NEED A LOT MORE TO CONTINUE LIVING
A BETTER LIVES YOU ALL DESERVE,
WHY NOT THEY TAKE IT FROM THE CAPITOL AND THE WHITE HOUSE FULL OF PEOPLE WHO
DON’T KNOW WHERE THEIR JOB ARE EVEN IF THEY ARE THERE TO IMPOSE THE PUNISHMENTS OF OBAMA’SBOOK
ON THE CITIZENS FOR NOT RIGOROUSLY FOLLOW THEIR 2000 PAGES AND STILL GROWING BOOK OF REGULATIONS,
AND THOSE THUGS BEING PAID WITH THE TAXPAYER’S MONEYTO IMPLEMENT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AS PENALTYS TO THE GOOD CITIZENS OF THEIR OWN AMERICA, NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF AMERICA ANY MORE, BECAUSE THEY TRAMPLE THE CONSTITUTION SO MUCH, THEY LOST BEING TRUE AMERICANS, THEY MUST GIVE A LOT MORE TO THE MILITARY PAST AS VETERANS SOME WOUNDED HARD SO TO FOLLOW THE ROE OF OBAMA, WELL THEY DID ,
AND NOW IS OBAMA’S TIME TO PAY, NOTHING CHEAP FOR THE MILITARY, THEY ARE THE HIGH CLASSY ONE WE RESPECT AND NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE OR WHERE THEY ARE OR IF THEY HAVE BEEN BACK WOUNDED OR NOT OR IN GOOD HEALT,
OR DEAD, WE LOVE THEM AND SUFFER TO SEE THEY ARE TREATED CHEAPLY BY THE LEADERS, THEY DESERVE THE BEST OF AMERICA GIVE, AND GIVE IT TO THEM, TAKE IT ANYWHERE BUT THEY ARE NUMBER ONE TO GET IT,
REDUCE THAT MONSTER GOVERNMENT
COSTING TRILLIONS TO THE PEOPLE, SOME IRS TO TORMENT THE TEAPARTY THEY HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO WAIST ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS TO THE GOOD PEOPLE AND THREATEN THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES, MANY SHOULD BE OUT OF THERE,THEY ARE COSTING THE PEOPLE TOO MUCH FOR THAT KIND OF JOB, THEY EVEN SEND MONEY FROM TAXREVENUE THAT IS OVERSEA FROM THE WRONG PEOPLE,
THEY CANNOT CHECK PROPERLY THE ABUSE AND FRAUD,
AND PAY THE MILITARY THE MOST, YOU CAN TAKE FROM
GETTING RID OF THEM,
ALL THOSE EMPLOYEES NOT DOING THE RIGHT JOB,
@Joe:
Just curious Joe, is this an insinuation that 4 star Generals don’t work hard?
Some of what you said makes sense, and some is nonsense. The withholding of 1% of a COLA should only (if at all) just apply to younger persons with no disabilities. The stated intent is that persons still young and healthy enough to work, will work. Note that ALL of the COLA is not going to be withheld beginning in 2016, only 1% of just some retired persons. Healthy people will, in all likelihood, find more work to do. In my case, had I stayed 20 years, I still would have only been 35 (actually only 34) when I got out, so I certainly wouldn’t expect that I would just sit around and not find other good paying work.
Those with enough disability suffered as a result of military service, certainly should be well taken care of and I find it interesting that the current president would sign a law that doesn’t include appropriate care for them.
As to wasteful spending in the government. Yes, I think everyone’s budget (that is discretionary) should be cut 5-10% a year until budget is balanced. Required spending, such as Social Security should be whatever the debt is to those that are receiving it. The military physical facilities should be kept in first class condition, left over money should be returned to the treasury, not just spent to get rid of it. That’s where waste comes from.
I don’t agree. Retirees should be fully funded in the budget, not dependent on whether any money is ‘left over’ or not. Spending extra funds, at someone’s discretion, is wasteful spending. No one should be allowed a ‘slush fund’.
Probably 50% of all discretionary spending is ‘wasted’. Wind farms, solar battery powered cars, etc. Giant monorail train systems in California, etc. All waste.
Curious that you made some posts that didn’t display, I haven’t had any problem. I certainly haven’t seen anything you’ve written that shouldn’t be allowed on the site.
@Redteam:
Interesting article:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/12/26/obama-reduces-2014-troop-pay-raise-to-1-90458
Redteam
yes they can work all right, but there is no jobs, NOW IS THE JOBS FOR 20 HOURS TIME,
THE DEMOCRAT CANNOT CALCULATE THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG SOLDIER COMING BACK WILL FIND A JOB WHEN THE BUSINESS ARE BEING TORMENTED FOR ANYTHING THE ADMINISTRATION FIND NOT ACCORDING TO THEIR BOOK OF REGULATION,
SO THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE MILITARY, NO IT’S OBAMA AGENDA,
BREAKING THE ROAD TO MAKE JOBS BY THOSE WHO ALWAYS HAVE TO CARRY HIS WEIGHT ON THEIR SHOULDERS, AND GIVE HIM MONEY HE DOESN’T DESERVE, HE IS PAID VERY WELL BY THE PEOPLE,
AND STILL SEND HIS GOONS TO BEG FOR MONEY IN BUSINESS HAVING A HARD TIME TO BUDGET THEIR OWN,
@Joe:
Thanks for providing more evidence that you are a leftist conspiracy subscriber. This myth you mention comes directly from the Rosie O’Donnell fellowship of ‘911 truther’ conspiracy fools who think that 9’11 was a Bush planned conspiracy. Here is what Rumsfeld actually said:
As a 2002 DoD document makes clear, the funds are neither missing or stolen it’s simply that the obsolete military finance system is incompatible with modern tracking systems, and as such the incompatibility makes it impossible for some of the expenditures to be tracked via computer systems:
In other words, it would require a detailed and exhaustive audit of various computer database systems to coordinate the data. The military keeps very good supply records, and everything (except for financial information on black projects and operations,) is kept accessible to the Pentagon, Congress and the Administration. Of course as the former low ranking officer-pilot (you claim to be) and thus not having been in logistics management, you would be totally ignorant of how military supply systems work.
@retire05: Yes, of course you’ve noticed Joe wants to blame the military pay fiasco on Ryan, but this is all on his guy, Big O….
@Ditto:
I thought he said he worked on (maintained aircraft). But as you point out to Joe, the money was missing BEFORE Bush jr took office (1999). Seems as if that occurred on Bubba’s watch.
Joe did say earlier that he is a believer that GW Bush ordered the strike (actually only an explosion) on the Pentagon to hide the money they had already stolen. (no plane crash, so all those photo’s of an aircraft plowing into the Pentagon, didn’t happen according to Joe, all Photoshop)
Ditto
this technician work many years and end up
calculating the age of the EARTH,FROM THE BIG BANG,
HOW COME THEY CAN’T FIND THAT MONEY, THOSE TRILLIONS ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU KEEP IN A PURSE, THE SMART THECK EXPERTS CAN DO IT, BY DUPLICATING COMPUTERS WHICH HAVE EVEN A MINUTE CONNECTION WITH THAT MONEY, AND ADDING THE INFO ON EACH AND COMPILING THOSE,
USING ONE CLUE ONE USE OF THE MONEY, WE CAN CALL A
AND RESTART THE COMPILING USING ANOTHER USE BY ANOTHER WE CAN CALL B
UNTIL ALL THE USE OF ALL THE MONEY C D E F ECETERA IS COMPILE , MAKING MANY BUNDELS
THAT YOU AGAIN COMPILE BY REDUCING THE EACH BUNDLES, COMPILING THE REDUCTION OF ALL,
AND START AGAIN , UNTIL YOU HAVE ONE BUNDEL LEFT, AND ON IT ARE ALL THE MANY SOURCE OF THAT MONEY LIKE A LEDGER, IT TELL YOU ALL YOU WANT TO KNOW,
IT NEED WORK AND SEARCH, AND PATIENCE TO NOT JUMP THE GUN,
IT COULD BE DONE BY GROUP OF PEOPLE INTRESTED TO FIND THE MONEY WHICH COULD AT THE END GIVE THEM A CUT EACH ON SOME OF IT FOR THEIR WORK,
I DON’T PRETEND TO BE A KNOWLEDGABLE COMPUTER KNOW HOW, VERY FAR FROM IT, BUT i COULD BE OF HELP
TO EXPLAIN MY COMMENT,
BYE
Ditto
on the subject also, it might be that some big chunks of that money,
was pulverize in the 9/11 explosions of many banks on many floors,
there surely was that, AND WE WILL ONLY GUESS HOW MUCH WAS THERE,
IF WE DO THE COMPILATION OF THE ABOVE,
ALSO THOSE OTHER ROBERY OF A LOT OF MONEY THERE WHERE A LOT DONE,
WOULD BE MISSING IN THE COMPILATION, AND THE TITANIC SINKING,
AND , AND AND,
BYE
I ‘v been watching the rise of HITLER, and his detailed crecendo of trying to conquer the WORLD,
yes the OTHER LEADERS LIKED HIM , in his begining,, but as he continue his advance, ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO DIED
BECAUSE OF HIM, AND JAPAN TEAM UP WITH HIM, AND ATTACK CHINA IN A SUCH CREWELTY,
IT UNIMAGINEBLE TO BELIEVE, UNLESS YOU SEE IT ON TV THAT’S A FIRST TIME I SEE SUCH GRAFIC REAL KILLING FROM THE JAPANEESE WHO LOOK SO SOFT AND SMOOD CLASSY,
NOT SO BY WHAT IS REALTY TV,
AND HITLER’S KILLING MACHINE ALL OVER THE WORLD AND KILLING THE JEWS BY MILLIONS,
AND WHAT THEY DID IN AMERICA KILLING AMERICANS, LIKE THE JAPANEESE DID,
IT’S HORRIBLE,
AND NOW , I understand CHINA OF TRYING TO TAKE THOSE ISLANDS WHICH JAPAN HOLD AS THEIRS, I DON’T BLAME CHINA TO WANT TO GET BACK AT THEM FOR THE ATROCITY DONE TO THEM,
AND WE ARE FOREVER IN DEBT OF THE PRESIDENTS TO STOP THE WAR THAT WAY ,AGAINST JAPAN, HE TOOK THE DEVIL BACK IN HELL WITH THAT BOMB,
AND WE ARE FOREVER IN DEBT TO THE MILITARY BATTELING THE W WAR 1 AND 2 ,AND WON THE WAR, WITH A COST
WE CANNOT BEGIN TO COUNT OF LIVES OF SOLDIERS, THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM,
THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT AND LIVED WITH SO MUCH PAIN WITHOUT
ANY PLAINTIVE SOUNDS, I CAN IMAGINE BEING UNDER THE VICIOUS RULES OF JAPAN,
OR GERMANY, WE CAN THINK OF HOW FREEDOM WAS CLOSE TO BE KILLED IN THOSE TIMES,
AND GOOD THAT RUSSIA WHO JOIN HITLER, BUT BACK OFF FROM IT, THEY SURELY REALIZE
AND FIGURE OUT HITLER EVIL MIND,
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MILITARY IN MANY WARS NOW AS WE SPEAK, AND THE VETERANS
WHO CAME BACK WOUNDED FOR MANY, TOO MANY,
WE LIVE EVERY DAY, WITHOUT THINKING OF IT, WE OWE THE MILITARY SO MUCH,
THAT WE CAN SPARE SOME OF OUR BUDGET FOR THEM, WE COULD BE DEAD INSTEAD OF THEM
NOW AS WE SPEAK, WE ARE PROTECTED BY SUCH EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE,
THEY DESERVE THE BEST, AND GIVE IT TO THEM OBAMA
DON’T BE CHEAP,
YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN YOUR CHEAP ONE PERCENT,
THEY ARE NOT COUNTING THEIR DAYS OF WORK,
THEY ARE NOT COUNTING THEIR PAIN NOW, THE DEAD ARE NOT EXPANSIVE FOR YOU NOW, BUT THEY ARE THE TREASURES OF AMERICA, DON’T LET THEM DOWN, IT’S YOUR DUTY,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
As the article I linked to says, the financial information is there, it just can’t accesse cross platform databases. This is very likely the fault of past Congress’ and President’s. Congress critters have created such problems for the military for decades. The military wants to upgrade a system and puts forth the appropriations request, Congress makes changes to the requests, perhaps only funding partial system upgrades and telling the military to make do with it. Or, an influential Congress critter wants to get a DoD pork barrel project with a military industry located in his own state, so he forces the military to purchase from a different supplier. Said Congressman never considering whether the supplier’s products are fully compatible with the military’s current system. When such problems don’t work out smoothly, it is usually the military that catches the blame for their inability to make it work, rather than the politician and his crony corporate pals.
Ditto
YES,
LIKE I said before< they are playing cats and mouse games in that big government building where they get use to each other, become friends to each other no matter their allegeance to their party,
and give in to an oponant which they favor because he give them some favors of personal need,
yes< like I think, they have lost the people’s interest
all their interest is for their peers no matter the party that peer belong to,
it’s an aglomeration of people each checking the back in front, be it democrat or republican ,
very normal because they live together, and must give and take even if they can’t stand the other they must
make concession so to get concession on their need,
that’s why they should get rid of many to reduce the need for getting along to get along because they practicaly live together, and each have preference not on the party but on the person sitting on their side, THINGS ARE SURELY GOING ON WHICH WE DON’T KNOW, WITH SUCH A CROWD,
HOW CAN THEY THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHICH ARE SO FAR AWAY FROM THERE, FROM THEIR MIND, FROM THEIR INTEREST, WHEN THEY HAVE ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON SITE TO HAVE EACH DAY LIVES TOGETHER, THEREIS NO MORE ROOM FOR THE CITIZENS OUTSIDE THEIR COUMPOUND,
LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BLACK WOMAN CONFUSE BUT NOT DANGEROUS NOT ARMED,
WITH A BABY IN THE BACK OF HER CAR, THEY BRUTALY ELIMINATE HER KILLED HER,
INSTEAD OF TAKE THE TIME TO TALK HER TO LEAVE, IN A HUMANLY KIND FASHION,
NO SHE DIDN'T BELONG AND WAS EXTENDING HER VISIT, SHE WAS IN THEIR WAY,
THEY KILLED HER, AND THE PROOF OF WHERE THEY ALL FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST IS THE STANDING OVATION FOR HAVING ELIMINATE ONE WHO DID NOT BELONG IN THAT
GOVERNMENT NOW A SELF RUNNING STATE ONLY FOR THEM,
No they do not work hard at all; not compared to the folks on the field, crewing airplanes, marching across the high heat of the desert, and so forth. But let’s not confuse “long hours” with “hard work”. Sure many top-brass members of the armed forces work long hours. But you have to make sure you don’t count their periodic luncheons, multiple meetings, and of course a nice glass of wine on the golf course. Yes, as someone who has worked as an administrator managing different programs, I can honestly say that those 4 Star Generals don’t work any harder (much less in fact) than wrench turners. Even so, might you be suggesting that the hard working 4 Star Generals deserve their elaborate pay, but the hard working enlisted do not? This might sound fair to the military 40 years ago, when the Enlisted members weren’t required to pursue higher education. But the modern military possesses enlisted members with some holding Masters Degrees before their 20 years of service. This being said, I do not imply that Generals should be screwed any less than the Enlisted. But mark my words; I’m sure that no retired Officer or high ranking Enlisted will feel the pinch.
If you read my comments carefully, you would note that I stated that they (Generals) cost more then the Enlisted. A former General (name forgotten) who worked on Fox News as a war analyst admits that when most people cringe at the high cost of retirement pensions (military) that its the Generals who are often frowned at. As stated, a retired MSgt of 20 years will only take home anywhere between $1,700 to $2,000 per month. This depends on rank held the final three years of his/her career. Meanwhile, a 4 Star General, or even a 1 Star General takes home nearly 10 times that amount.
Regardless if they are able to work or not, their pensions should be adjusted to fair value, and its value is based on COLA. By reducing COLA, the value of the pension declines and ends up being worth less with each passing year. So in essence, an initial 50% would eventually decline to 40% percent in value within 10 years, assuming the 1% percent annual reduction; this is a substantial loss of money. Granted a healthy person may be working to help offset the loss. But that should not matter. The member served his/her time and should expect his/her compensation to remain consistent with the cost of living. How would you like it if the government decided to reduce your Social Security payments (something you’ve earned by payment) and forced you to work at Wal-Mart as a door greeter to make up for lost income? Would you be as passive as you are with the reduction in pensions?
This is not correct my friend. The original Bill did exempt disabled veterans. But the changes made by Paul Ryan and his committee, and approved by the House, removed the exemption. Thus EVERY retired veteran would see a decline in COLA; this includes the unhealthy with the healthy.
I’m glad you and I agree. ;o)
Again we totally agree. ;o)
Wow! You and I have found three commonalities we could embrace. ;o)
I made three long posts on Christmas day, and none of them appear to have been posted. It doesn’t matter though because they were too long, and was way off topic. So I didn’t bother retyping the posts.
Looks like you and I are not all that different. However, I sense you are still motivated by party favoritism. I understand as I too have done that for years. It wasn’t until recent that I realized that both political parties are nothing more than pawns of the mega-rich; this includes Obama as well as the Bush’s. Throughout history, we see different campaigns promising this or that. But the only real promise I’ve ever seen kept is cutting taxes for the mega-rich. The little guys continue to be hammered, and are forced into working very long hours with almost no time off, very view holidays, and substandard health care. I blame this on the entire political system that is completely governed and controlled by the banking cartels. I do not blame Ryan, Obama, or any other political leader EXCEPT by taking bribes or threats from the morons trying to rule the world. I hope everyone on here will someday see the corruption that has been lingering above our heads these past decades. Although this corruptions dates way back when printed money first came into existence. If memory serves, I believe this was the 14th century.
Joe
Thanks for the correction friends. And to reiterate, I worked as an Aircraft Mechanic for the F-16. Fun and exciting job, but painful to the body; especially when working in the extreme heat and cold.
Just to clarify again, I don’t believe George Bush ordered 911. There are too many people to incarcerate for this false-flag operation. However, I firmly believe that Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were the two government leaders running the operation. But the banking cartel, Rockefellers, Rothschild’s, Koch Brothers, the former head of security for Julianne (secret service who is now in prison), high ranking Generals at the Pentagon, Defense contractors, and dozens of managers for specific insurance firms at the WTC were all part of this plot to steal trillions of dollars, plunge us into war, and destroy all paper-trails leading to a possible indictment for criminal activity. And let’s not forget about the CIA. Ever wonder why our nation has highly trained professional assassins? Since when should a country assassinate someone? Nobody should be killed without having a fair trail. The very fact that our shadow government uses assassins is conspicuous in itself.
Too many names to list on the 911 false flag operation. But rest assured it was about money, power, population control and oil.
Happy New Year to you all (when it comes).
Joe
@Joe:
I high recommend you stop listening to Alex Jones when you’re stoned.
@retire05:
I don’t know, Joe doesn’t type like he’s stoned (ramble yes, but the expected typos aren’t there). Otherwise I concur.
Ditto
sometimes, medication does the change,
BYE
Joe
why do you think the MUSLIM BUILT A MOSQE right beside the site of 9/11 ?
THAT IS TO PROCLAIME A VICTORY, THEIRS,
THEY BUILT ANOTHER ONE AT THE SITE WHERE THE OTHER PLANE FELL PURPOSLY,
CLAIMING VICTORY,
that defund your allegations as any of the bush administration did it,
and where do you get those accusations you’ve been telling here?
I HAVE AN IDEA WHERE,
And you would be correct as I do not use illegal drugs. And the pain medication that I do have for my fused ankle and prostate pain is not enough to “stone” me. *laughs* Even so, this would be an immature accusation, would you not agree?
Joe
Now this is an offensive accusation, but one I will not take personally. As for Alex Jones? Yes I’ve viewed some of his videos, but much of my information does not come from him. Alex Jones has good intensions, but he is too crazed at times. I also believe he exaggerates on some of his ideas. So with Alex Jones, his information is hit-or-miss at best. At the same time, I wouldn’t totally discredit his attempts to inform the American population of what he believes to be a conspiracy against the common people of America.
Joe
@Joe:
Alex Jones is a certifiable fruit cake and media hack. No one, outside the Austin, Tx. market even knew who he was until shortly after 9-11-2001 when he jumped on the “truffer” bandwagon trying to make a name for himself. Being a lunatic conspiracy theorist is his “stchick” and he does it for one reason and one reason only; self promotion.
It is not just that Jones is wrong 99.9999999999% of the time, it is that he is wrong on purpose. He is a shock jock and nothing more. He throws out spurious claims then runs from them when cornered. And anyone who listens to him, or believes one word out of his lying mouth, needs a psychiatric examination as soon as possible.
Want to kill your political career? Show up on the Alex Jones Show. Just ask Debra Medina.
You see? You fell right into the same trap that I was stuck in for more than 10 years. The government wants us to fear Muslims because they know that a scared public will depend on the US Government for protection and control of our safety. They use this as an attempt to slowly take away our freedoms. We lost our privacy, freedom of speech, and our right to bare arms. Once the “police state” enforced sometime in 2014 or 2015, anyone caught discussing what you and I are discussing right now will be rounded up without a warrant and sent to the “Family Residential Centers” currently in operation and managed by FEMA.
Now, most of the information I’ve acquired about the 911 false flag operation came from former CIA whistleblowers and unofficial 911 investigators. If you care to watch a very informative video, you will find where I’ve acquired much of my information. But if you refuse to watch it, then the problem is not me, but on folks such as you who refuse to look for the truth, and instead believed what the fake 911 commission report proclaimed.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8
Here are some things for you to consider:
1. It takes more than 2,000 degrees to melt and liquefy steal. Jet fuel only burns at about 1,200 degrees. What melted the steal in perfect cuts?
2. The so called hijackers were actually CIA assets, two of whom are alive and well today in Europe.
3. Some of the passengers and employees on both hijacked planes that theoretically smashed into the WTC were investigating the unaccounted monies at AIG and its several interconnected financial firms; they are all dead.
4. The employees at the Pentagon struck by the missile were all killed; they worked in the records department.
5. WTC building 6 and building 7 were clearly seen on video being destroyed with demolition charges in order to bring them down. WTC 7 fell after 5:30PM that evening and when the media reported it, the building was still standing for another 22 minutes. It appears the media was operating from a script that they erred in.
6. Firemen reported that even after towers 1 and 2 collapsed, molten steal was still flowing underground. This is impossible without chemical assistance. Forensic tests revealed a substance called nano-thermite was used to melt the steal; this was apparently painted on the steal beams several weeks before 911, by unknown people driving unmarked white vans between the hours of 0300 and 0500 (Susan Lindauer 2012 Ex-CIA Asset).
7. One of the engines found at the WTC was built by General Electric. If the planes that struck the buildings were from Flight United or American Airlines, then there’s a huge problem. Both airlines use Pratt and Whitney engines, and NOT general electric (GE) engines on their 767’s. The military, on the other hand, uses GE engines on their 767 designs which are used for fuel tankers and/or communications centers.
8. All witnesses who have tried to report to the 911 commission about the demolition explosions heard before and after the planes struck the towers are all dead; some by hanging, slit throat or mysterious car accidents.
9. It is physically impossible for the alleged plane that struck the pentagon to fly more than 500 knots at low altitude and perform a 20 degree bank, level out at ground level and smash directly into the lower floors of the Pentagon. Every professional pilot who has attempted this maneuver in flight simulators, all failed as the plane stalls or rolls with each attempt. Not to mention, a couple of Arabs with only six weeks of flight training in small propeller aircraft could not acquire enough proficiency to fly jumbo sized aircraft with clear precision; it takes thousands of hours to acquire the kind of proficiency and accuracy used by the alleged terrorists.
10. The Pentagon shows no aircraft debris at all, except a small turbine which does not belong to the Pratt and Whitney or GE class of 767 engines. The engine (what little was there) appears to come from a smaller jet engine design, perhaps a drone or cruise missile. And the apparent lack of major debris (wings, tail, two aircraft engines) as well as the lack of sufficient INITIAL damage to the Pentagon clearly thwarts any idea of an aircraft attack.
11. Dick Cheney now admits publically that a plane was shot down before the Pentagon attack. I of course believe he is lying because there was no plane that went down in Pennsylvania, and there was “zero” evidence of aircraft structures remaining; not a single shred of evidence. Only burned ground spanning some 20 x 30 feet. No bodies, luggage, clothing or black boxes. BUT an ID card from the alleged hijacker just happened to be recovered at the crash scene. How convenient. We are told by the 911 commission that the intense heat from the jet fuel burned the aircraft and the black box recorder. But low and behold, the hijackers ID card survived the crash, while no one else’s did. *laughs*
I hope this gets posted because the truth needs to be revealed. Good luck my friends. I hope you awaken.
Joe
I am sooooo sick of this crap:
You will notice that all the Alex Jones truffers point out that it takes more than 2,000 degrees (actually, it is 2750 degrees) for steel to melt. But steel doesn’t have to melt to weaken. Steel will actually weaken, losing at least 50% of its strength at 1,100 degrees. At the point the steel begins to weaken, under duress of a fire, it begins to expand and when it is blocked from expanding on each end of the girder, it begins to sag.
Jet fuel will auto-ignite at anywhere above 400 degrees. Once the jet fuel ignited, it was not just steel girders that were weakening, plastics (a petroleum product), wood, paper, carpeting (another petroleum product) began to burn. The sheer weight of the upper floors putting pressure on the weakened girders would cause that weight to be so great that the weakened strength of the lower floor girders, whose rivets had now popped making them disconnected, would allow for the upper floors to crash into the lower floors. Also, the weight of the upper floors, putting pressure on the weakened girder centers, would cause an implosion, not an explosion.
Take this b/s theory to any firefighter and watch him laugh his ass off at you. You see, the question is NOT at what temperature steel melts, it is at what temperature steel weakens, and begins to sag and at what temperature do rivets begin to pop out of place which hold the girders in place and connected together?
Some people need to do some engineering research before they pop off and show just how stupid they are.
retire05
that was great as usual,
if you didn’T exist,
we would have to create you,
with my best wishes for the NEW YEAR
Joe
stop everything you think ,everything you say, everything you Feel as painfull,
and have yourself a ,GREATEST NEW YEAR BASH, YOU CAN EVER REMEMBER, EVEN DRUNK,
I WISH IT FOR YOU,
and stay with us, so we can bring you back with the CONSERVATIVES,
asking for forgiveness, for all the accusations you throw at them,yes the CONSERVATIVES ARE VERY FORGIVING, lucky for you, will forgive if you are sincere,
Not true at all! Soooo not true! The fires on both towers were limited to certain floors and NOT the entire facility. If we are to assume that your theory is correct, that some of the steal weakened, that does not explain why both towers fell at GRAVITY SPEED exactly like a building collapsed from demolition charges. And if your theory is correct, then why hire demolition professionals to destroy buildings with explosives when all one needs is simple fire. What a bunch of hokus pokus nonsense!
If fire weakened some of the steal beams, then only the sections that weakened would have caused sections of the building to collapse. But as we’ve all witnessed, the entire structure caved in geometric fashion that even the concrete was pulverized. Must have been the “implosion” that caused this. *Laughs Hard*
It is a fact that evidence of nano-thermite was found on dust samples. This substance is produced at the Savannah River Plant in Georgia/South Carolina. If you look at some of the beams after the buildings collapsed, many of them appear to have been cut, and each of the cuts were in a straight line. Thus, this does not match the rather unscientific hot jet fuel theory.
As for firemen, if you watch the video’s of the very firemen who witnessed the atrocities, nearly all of them reported seeing molten steal pouring out of the building BEFORE the building collapsed. Furthermore, molten steal was also seen even while they were digging up the site. How does your science explain this? Was jet fuel still burning. *laughs* Sorry dude, but the 911 commission bogus theory of jet fuel weakening steal beams is B/S! AND as an aircraft mechanic and someone who has worked with JP-4 and JP-8 aircraft fuel, it does not burn…and burn…and burn. As with kerosene, it will only burn for a short while before it’s gone.
And about the firemen who witnessed the explosive charges and the molten steal, most of them are now dead; some by mysterious car accidents, suicide, hanging, throat slit and so forth, and all within a five year period. Now isn’t that interesting? Nearly every witness who opposed the 911 commissions report are dead. Must have been blind luck on the conspirators I suppose. How convenient.
Tell me buddy. You are sick of this? Truth must make your stomach turn inside out. You’ve got me very curious. Especially after actually trying to suggest that jet fuel weakened steal beams and brought down towers 1, 2, 6 and 7. By the way, buildings 6 and 7 were never hit by a plane, yet both collapsed in the same manner. How? If you watched the video from a previous post that I submitted, you would note that the firemen all heard demolition charges just before building 7 collapsed. These were the same kinds of explosions reported before and after the 911 attacks on the WTC.
I am very curious about you. VERY curious. Who would have known that all it would take to bring down buildings reinforced with solid steal beams is simple fire. In fact, the fires were so effective that all four buildings collapsed at gravity speed. But did you miss something? These so called fires that burned so hot so as to weaken the structure, destroy the black boxes (aircraft), destroy all of the dead bodies to also include luggage, clothing, desks, and completely pulverize solid concrete, and so forth. But ahhh, the ID Cards of each of the hijackers just happened to be found without damage at all four incidences. Get that? Everything but the ID Cards of the hijackers was destroyed by the magical jet fuel that burned so hot and so long that a weird “implosion” caused the total demolition of towers 1 and 2, and buildings 6 and 7 of which neither were hit by a plane, nor were either buildings exposed to jet fuel. Must have been the drywall that burned so insanely hot. WOW!
Some of my relatives work at a fire department, and NONE of them agree that chaotic fires engulfing only some of the floors would be enough to bring down an entire building in such perfect unity.
Joe
@Joe:
Bunk, bunk and more bunk.
#1, fire burns UP, not down, so that the floors that were first impacted by the planes would shoot flames UPWARD, affecting those floor above them, not below.
#2
Laws of gravity and gravitational pull. The greater the fall, the more velocity the falling object obtains. As the weight to the building materials increased, so did the gravitational pull. This is simple science that any high schooler understands. Newton’s theory.
#3
Demolition professionals were hired to destroy the Twin Towers? Where do you come up with this crap? Alex Jones? And news flash, Joe, jet fuel, which is no more than a high form of kerosene, is an explosive. As is gasoline, et al. I don’t suggest you pour jet fuel in a bucket and strike a flint anywhere near that bucket. It will explode in your face.
#4
Wow! You know little of basic science. The weakened beams were attached to other beams (none of the beams were the entire breath of the buildings but were a series of adjoined beams using a rivet method) and as they weakened and fell, they pulled the other beans down with them.
Here you are going off into crazy land. Sorry, doesn’t warrant a response. My trying to make sanity out of your insanity is a waste of time.
Have you ever seen a steel beam, Joe? Are the ends round? No, they’re not. They’re square, just as they came off the assembly line. Square, as in STRAIGHT LINE. Why would the ends be rounded once they pulled from their interlocking system and fell to the ground?
The rest of your post is just Alex Jones b/s. I have encountered some lunatics, but I do believe that you take the cake. Anyone who believes the crap you are pushing needs emergency psychiatric treatment. And you also seem to not understand how a flight manifesto works. Well, let me debunk your little theory about the “found” hijackers I.D.
The hijackers were I.D. by a) passenger rosters and b) the flight attendants who identified what seats they were sitting in.
I suggest you read the March, 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics which will explain, and debunk, all the tripe you spout here. And I highly suggest you stop listening to Alex Jones whose only goal is attention and money making.
JOE
do you forget that the people broke the sealed window, why where they sealed?
because of the velocity of the wind on those upper floors,
and what does the wind do? it destroy anything it touch,and create vacuum within the structure,
and what about the steel, do you think that steel come from all purety iron, no
some steel acted one way melting at a different degree than the bolt while other melted differently, because there was not uniform steel coming from the same companies,
and what about the dust coming from USA? of course it was the dust made from the many products melting
differently, breaking in powder shape or other, there was many componant in there sink and toilet
white dust or plastic you mention burning to liquid ecetera,
seek and you will find the answer, instead of accusing your own brother,
AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU,
@Joe: #121
I like that. Sounds very familiar. The last 10 years I worked was as an Executive manager of a manufacturing operation, I was the top guy at the plant. I worked (was on the job) 12 hours a day, M-F 5-7 hours on Sat’s and usually didn’t go in on Sunday, but was on call 24-7, basically 365 days a year. If things were quiet, I got some vacation time (but was still on call). My work was not physical labor, it was managing. Amazing how many that worked for me thought they worked ‘harder than anyone else’. Yes, I doubt the 4 Star Generals are:
For the record my hours included eating, many many meetings, but no wine on a golf course (or any time on a golf course) If a 4 star General were turning wrenches, marching, crewing airplanes, I would say their talents were being wasted when they could get someone for much less money to do those things. I don’t think you could get very many to buy onto your thesis that Privates worked much harder, physically, so they should get the big bucks and they should pay the Generals less because they ‘don’t work hard’.
@Joe: more on 121 you said:
Based on current basic pay chart an E7 over 18 pay is 4281 with 20 years, 50% would be 2140 per month. An 0-10 with 20 is 19586, 50% is 9793 per month. However, while you can easily have an E7 with 20 years, it is very unlikely you will have a 4 star with only 20 years service. But for the sake of your argument, the 4 star’s pay is 4.5 times as much as the MSgt, not anywhere near the ‘nearly 10 times as much. If you run that same MSgt to 30 years and the 4 star at 30, the ratio is 3211 vs 14689 or still 4.5 times as much. So I don’t know where you get your numbers, but they are not based on “official basic pay charts” or if they are, it’s not calculated the way it used to be.
@Joe: 121
Again, not true. No veteran 62 years of age, or any veteran with 30 years service would have their COLA reduced. You need to stop getting your info from the lib sites, they tend to be wrong.
@Joe: 122
I don’t agree Joe. If you get a tip that someone is going to assassinate the president, and you see him aiming his rifle at the president, he should be assassinated. He’s not entitled to a fair trial. Assassination has always been better than fighting a war. If a foreign country is taken over by a dictator,and his goal is to kill Americans any way he can, he should be assassinated. Why let him carry out his dictatorial actions before he is removed. Go ahead and take care of the problem. Don’t you think the US-Cuba relations over the last 50 years would have been much better had Fidel been assassinated back in 62-63?
@Joe:
I think that’s funny because you repeat a lot of what he says, so you’re getting the info from him, or you’re both getting it from the same other source.
@Joe:
So you agree that Obama and the Dimocrats are planning to take over and start a dictatorship.
@Redteam:
Yes, but it is not just Obama; it’s the entire government. Please be advised that the two-party system is nothing more than a scam to divide societies. You have to look beyond them. Who controls our government? The mega-rich boys. Which ones in particular? I believe based on the research I’ve conducted that the three most prominent candidates are the Koch Brothers, Rockefeller’s, and the Rothschild’s. I’m sure there are more, but according to a woman name Karen Hudes, a 20 year global bank attorney and now whistle blower, our Congress is under the influence and control of the global banking cartel. She believes that they are part of the Vatican, but is uncertain herself.
Anyways, I wanted to say Happy New Year to all of you. May God soon grant us freedom from tyranny and economical slavery.
Ron Paul (Republican) admits that Obama and the Federal Reserves, under the control by the global banking cartel, states their plans to take away our freedoms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7N7D3xA1IA
I’d say that Ron Paul is an enemy of the Rockefellers. *laughs*
Joe
@Joe:
LOL, Joe, tell that to those 137 guys that died on the USS Forrestal when the jet fuel burned, melted steel and collapsed bulkheads, almost destroyed a Super Carrier and it wasn’t the CIA on board planting explosives that did it. You need to stay away from the Nutters.
@Redteam:
Well I’m not suggesting that a “private” should earn more money than a 4 star general. My point was mainly about work. They do not work harder than laborers. Towards the end of my military career, I functioned as an administrator. And yes I know all about the long hours having managed multiple programs at the same time without additional support. I’ve managed OSHA, Safety, Training Programs, Deployment Management, File Plans, Emergency Evacuation plans, and up to 125 people a month. Although regulations forbid us to work longer than 12 hours a day, my duty days were still 12 – 17 hours a day plus weekends. But while I’m working hard administratively, I will admit that I was never physically exhausted (sore muscles). This didn’t mean that I never grew tired; sure it happens. But the life span of an office administrator is much longer than a laborer. Even so, a 4 star general does not deserve more retirement perks than an enlisted retiree just because he held 4 stars. And you can’t use education as a bases because many of us have as much (if not more) education that many officers of the military.
Finally, you obviously believe that laborers are not worth very much, and that attitude is one of the biggest reasons why our nation is having problems finding adequate employment. For some reasons, CEO’s and Executives have cheapened labor, not realizing that their company could not function without laborers. Yet most want to keep their labor costs below 12% percent total. Shareholders and CEO’s are the primary reason why jobs are so few these days. If a job requires more labor skill, it is skill nonetheless. Shouldn’t a skilled laborer be adequately compensated? Should an A/C technician be paid less than $14 dollars an hour simply because his work involves manual labor? Yet an Executive working in an climate controlled environment should be paid 500% percent more? This is called vulture capitalism greed.
American business owners have cheapened labor that most Americans have to rely on loans and credit cards for even the simple things in life. It saddens me that so many Executives and CEO’s will screw their employees for the sake of their “bottom line”. If any of these Executives and CEO’s feel they are justified, and if they attend Church regularly, they might do well to study their forefathers; the false Jews who were ridiculed by Jesus for having greedy hearts. The book of James reads, “Come you rich! Weep and Wail for the misery that is about to come upon you! ” and again, “See! The wages you failed to pay the workers speak out against you!”
James was referring to the destruction of Jerusalem prior to the war that ended in 70AD. The rich Jews were nearly killed by 70AD, and again in 132AD. The Pharisees and the Scribes acquired much of their wealth from the offerings and temple markets; Jesus condemned this. Does Jesus hold to a different position today? He is the same yesterday as He is today.
Joe
@Redteam:
Notice your own words, “ALMOST DESTROYED”. *laughs* You can’t use a straw mans argument. The ship buckled under the heat, but it did not totally disintegrate. Did it?
Your assumptions are based on science fiction. Watch this entire video, and you will see actual evidence of explosive demolition charges bringing down building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmSHTiYa2M
NOW! Watch this video my friend, and tell me how building 7 fell? Who ever planted the demolition charges in building 7 also planted explosives in the two towers, AND building 6 which very few even knew collapsed.
I hope your science fiction works explaining this. ;o)
Joe
Once again, here is where I got most of my information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8
PLEASE WATCH!!! PLEASE!!!
If Alex Jones and more than 1000 Engineers are repeating the same thing, then we must be right. Get that? More than 1,000 Engineers are now questioning the 911 commission report.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html
By the way, did you ever bother to review the 911 commission panel? How many investigators, engineers, forensic scientists all served on the 911 commission? The answer SHOULD surprise you.
Even Ron Paul (Republican) believes there was a cover up and that a new investigation is required.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2liR4AOZ1EU
Joe
Happy New Year to you all!!!!
Joe
@Joe: 143
Pssst, Joe…. little secret. They’re rich people. Rich people have influence. You want more influence, get rich. Fill us in on the Rothschilds, where do they live? How rich are they? Who are they personally controlling? Is Obama on his payroll? Why are foreigners trying to control the US? Do you think this is ‘new’ news” Since I’m considerably older, do you think I might have heard exactly the same thing back in 1960, 61? What are you planning to do about all this other then run your mouth and sound idiotic?
Just curious, IF, and I say IF, Karen Hudes is a threat to these super rich guys, why do you think they are allowing her to run around and spread all these stories about them? And if she is a whistle blower, why doesn’t she KNOW if they are part of the Vatican and which government is the Vatican trying to overthrow? But, I am relatively sure that her high position as an attorney (are there any that are not crooks?) gives her real insight into the evil world of the super rich. But do you think those rich people can’t afford to hire an assassin for Ms Hudes if she is a threat to them?
@Joe:
Think about that Joe, There are 1.5 million employed engineers in the US and only 1000 of those question the report. That means there are 1 million, 499 thousand Engineers that are NOT questioning the report.
And, how many investigators, engineers, forensic scientists DID NOT serve on the 911 commission. Are the results determined by the number of investigators, engineers, and forensic scientists that were on the panel or by the number that was not on the panel.
No. Joe, you don’t have any reasonable argument at all. Fires will melt and collapse steel beams and walls. A blacksmith can heat steel and bend them into horseshoes with only wood for a fire, and wood does not burn at a temp as high as kerosene.
You need to stop listening to the lefties, they’re usually wrong.