The 3 am call came and Obama didn't answer.
Virtually nothing this administration has said about the attacks in Benghazi is true.
They lied about what happened, they lied about who was responsible, they lied about the cause.
They watched them die.
On Fox News this morning, Rep. Louie Gohmert said that an attack on a US Ambassador is the equivalent of an attack on a four star general. It's something that a President knows about. And there is really no doubt Obama knew what was going on.
When the consulate came under attack there were at least three requests for help.
Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.
It is simply mindboggling to think that an administration would give orders not to defend an Ambassador and the Americans around him.
Who gave these orders? The Fox report suggests it was the CIA “chain of command.” But word comes from David Petraeus, the head of the CIA, that those orders did not come from the CIA.
Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”
Then Kristol suggests those orders had to come directly from Barack Obama.
So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.
It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?
Obama was asked directly about this and he refused to answer the question:
In an interview with a Denver TV reporter Friday, President Obama twice refused to answer questions as to whether the Americans under siege in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012, were denied requests for help, saying he’s waiting for the results of investigations before making any conclusions about what went wrong.
After being asked about possible denials of requests for aid, and whether it’s fair to tell Americans that what happened is under investigation and won’t be released until after the election, the president said, “the election has nothing to do with four brave Americans getting killed and us wanting to find out exactly what happened. These are folks who served under me who I had sent to some very dangerous places. Nobody wants to find out more what happened tha
n I do.”
President Obama told KUSA-TV’s Kyle Clarke large that “we want to make sure we get it right, particularly because I have made a commitment to the families impacted as well as to the American people, we’re going to bring those folks to justice. So, we’re going to gather all the facts, find out exactly what happened, and make sure that it doesn’t happen again but we’re also going to make sure that we bring to justice those who carried out these attacks.”
Clark pressed again.
“Were they denied requests for help during the attack?” he asked.
“Well, we are finding out exactly what happened,” the president again said. “I can tell you, as I’ve said over the last couple of months since this happened, the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. Number two, we’re going to investigate exactly what happened so that it doesn’t happen again. Number three, find out who did this so we can bring them to justice. And I guarantee you that everyone in the state department, our military, the CIA, you name it, had number one priority making sure that people were safe. These were our folks and we’re going to find out exactly what happened, but what we’re also going to do it make sure that we are identifying those who carried out these terrible attacks.”
The President seems to be the only person on Earth who doesn't know what happened in Benghazi.
There seems little doubt that the stand down order came from the White House. The question is why?
I suspect that what we're going to hear is that Obama did not want to violate the sovereignty of Libya.
That would prove to be indefensible. Obama would be seen as having no objection to violating Pakistan's sovereignty to get Bin Laden but unwilling to violate Libya's sovereignty to save a US Ambassador.
The story continues to get worse. A former Delta operator made this remark at Blackfive:
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
From what we know to this point, it appears that Obama did not just watch them die, he let them die.
A father of a slain SEAL wants answers. He wants to know who made the decision not to try to save his son.
Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, who was killed in the 9/11 terrorist attack at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, reveals details of meeting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton at the publically broadcast memorial service for the slain Americans at Andrews Air Force Base only days after the attack. And, in a recent radio appearance, Woods publicly questions who made the call not to send in back-up forces to possibly save his son’s life, as well as the three other Americans killed in Benghazi (which includes the American ambassador to Libya).
Over at Fireandreamitchell a great point is made. When Obama needed the SEALs they were there for him, When the SEALs needed Obama he let them die.
Barack Obama is not fit for the office he occupies.
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@cali: Cali, thanks for filling in a few blanks. Much of what you said I knew generally of and suspected others but some I could not figure out. The fact that everyone that could possibly help to ‘rescue’ Stevens was told to ‘stand down’ makes sense if it was a ‘planned’ hostage saved for a Seal rescue just on the eve of the election. Too many patriotic Americans (the two Seals there, General Ham and the Admiral that got relieved) were not in on the plan and ‘thought they should rescue’ Americans in trouble. Little did they know about the conspiracy and they paid, the two Seals with their life and the General and Admiral being replaced.
@Greg:
Ah, I see Greggie is going to do his disappearing act since he doesn’t want to answer my questions.
Typical liberal, that Greggie.
cali
wow, and I thought my speculations where the top notch, well I even was surprised thE idea had come to my mind, but for us to begin too understand his mindset, and like the monster disaster at our door way, I follow the event it bring me to worse nefarious deduction, he surely, must have prevented the help before, then while the attack was progressing , and after as a way to leave a print for LIBYA to remember always the 9/11/12 for them as much as us , for different reasons. no he did not meet the three demands
you just went further, way further, and you know I don’t have any scruple taking
your comment as a possibility to be right on the beam, as worse as it can be imagine, and he was counting on it, the people would think no he wouldn’t do it, he couldn’t, it impossible to contemplate,
but the evil is powerful in the mind of his supporters, and the fact that he choose the MUSLIMS SIDE,
make it possible, doesn’t it?
any way you brought it up, unafraid to sound wako, as I thought the same of my comment,
even incredible as it is, it is a theory plausible, no one can deny it, the way the story come bits by bits,
it is far out of anyone believing it, that is why he is still comfortable sitting in the white house with some
DEMOCRAT GENERALS AND HERE GREG AND HIS FOLLOWERS ALL DUMB STUPEFIED
BY HIS RHETORIC, coming directly from hell, ready to be re-elect,
BYE
my comment was on the post ; GENERAL PETRAUS……ON 72
In a FOX interview broadcast tonight (Sunday, October 28) with Geraldo Rivera during the normal Hannity time slot, General John Keane stated that he now believes that the U.S. military did everything that was reasonably possible at the time in connection with the attack on the Benghazi diplomatic mission. (As you know, General Keane is no friend of the Obama administration, so I presume he’s making a truthful statement.)
Rivera has been openly criticizing the irresponsible politicization of Benghazi that his FOX colleagues have been engaging in for a couple of days now. I expect this video, like the one where General Keane made a similar statement to Megyn Kelly a few days ago, will never again see the light of day. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Geraldo Rivera’s days on FOX News are numbered.
Rivera has also stated it is now clear that no AC-130 was available, as rumored. I have no further details on where that information comes from. Of course, no one has a clue where the original rumors came from, either.
The angry responses to Rivera’s statement have been entirely predictable.
Greg
how come you pick the oposit one and oposit rhetoric all the time
GERALDO is a talking head overdone, and like to show he is better than the other, he confront for his side OBAMA JUST LIKE JUAN, WILL CUT OF THE OTHER TO GIVE HIS PITCH FOR OBAMA
THEY ARE NOT THE ONE TO FOLLOW ON FOX
Oh your lead in is so not true, Valerie answered the phone but decided that Barry needed his beauty sleep for the hard day of campaigning ahead. Besides she didn’t want to disturb Mouchelle next to her.
@ilovebeeswarzone, #54:
And what about General Keane? Has he suddenly turned into an idiot? Why would he suddenly be saying something that he doesn’t believe to be true?
This is the second time he has publicly expressed this opinion. This evening, there was no mistaking what he was saying.
Let’s go back to square one – Why were Stevens’ requests for some security ignored?
Or is there serious doubt that he asked? Doesn’t appear so.
Who said NO? Someone made that decision. There is little argument that his requests were turned down. An ambassador asking for protection in a hellhole – who said no? Who? Jarrett through the President is the most likely answer. No?
GREG
what about GENERAL KEANE YOU WANT TO TELL? REFRESH MY MEMORY WILL YOU?
I HEARD MANY GENERALS SINCE THE BENGHASI ATTACK, AND IF I’M not mistaken ,
GENERAL KEANE I like his comments on FOX, BUT I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID,
THE ONE I MENTION WHO IS SOLD TO OBAMA IS GENERAL WESLY, HE DEFENDED OBAMA TO BE GUILTY OF REFUSING THE HELP TO THE AMERICANS,
I HEARD OF TWO GENERALS NOW REMOVE FROM THEIR POSITIONS BY OBAMA FOR SAYING THEIR THOUGHTS NOT AGREEING, WITH OBAMA,
Rivera rips Mike Kelly’s bullshit account of Benghazi on Fox and Friends.
@Greg:
Why, Greggie, I thought you were leaving us for the night. Or was that just another one of your lame statements to avoid answering my questions? I remember how you said you were not going to post for a couple of days when you didn’t know the difference between included and excluded, but alas, as with all things liberal, your word meant nothing.
As to General Keane; he has been the least critical of the Obama administration of any of the former military officers Fox has interviewed. And his opinion in just one, out of many who are saying the very opposite of what Keane is saying. Of course, he would go on Gerald Rivera’s show, you know, one of those Fox “conservatives” like Shepard Smith, Juan Williams and Bob Beckel, that you are always whining about.
Now, Greggie, are you ready to answer my questions, or are you going to do your standard dodge, twist, ignore, obfuscate, spin and divert trick that you suck at?
@Greg:
With any luck at all, Fox will send Gerald Rivera (half Puerto Rican who has married only white women, five of them) to the East Coast to stand on the beach looking for Jimmy Hoffa’s body, and he will get sucked out to sea, never to be heard from again.
I remember Harry Reid telling all who would listen that if only Gov. Romney would release his tax returns, he could lay to rest the rumors that Harry Reid’s unnamed sources were spouting: That no taxes had been paid for at least ten years.
In the same regard, if a very small group of senators and congressmen from both parties were given access to the surveillance videos and were told what assets were on station or nearby, it potentially would end the firestorm that exists now. In this case, four people died, far more serious than how much an individual paid in taxes. We know that security was known to be a problem before hand and requests for continued, let alone increased security were turned down. Seems to me that regardless of the remaining scope of a thorough top to bottom investigation, this is pretty basic and would go a long way to resolving whether there was a face saving cover up designed to last until after the election, or, that politics instead is being played by those who would like to see President Obama return to Chicago and, that in fact, during and after the Benghazi 9/11 attacks, all that could be done was done and done professionally since the same cannot be said about the security prior to the attack.
A case in point of releasing some preliminary information is the recent death of one border agent and the wounding of another in the same episode. Within a week, it was widely reported to be a case of friendly fire. No hesitation about that part being released. I suspect because those in the chain of command wanted to make sure everyone knew that they weren’t the ones at fault. Other parts that should have, and hopefully are being investigated didn’t receive as widespread coverage if an investigation has been completed. This should include such areas training, assets and procedures, how to prevent future occurrences, then responsibilities of supervisors all the way up their chain of command. Hmm, much as the Benghazi investigation, we are told, is being handled.
GREG
DOES IT MAKE YOU PROUD TO HEAR RIVERA SHOOT HIS MOUTH SO LONG THAT HE CANNOT STOP,
HE DOES THAT ALL THE TIME, HE HAS A SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, IT’S TOO OBVIOUS,HE ACCUSE OF POLITICIZE THE BENGHASI, WEL HE DOES IT HIMSELF, AND BESIDE ANYONE KNOW THE TWO GOES
HAND IN HAND, SO EVEN IF YOU DON’T WANT TO POLITICIZE IT, THEY MATCH PERFECTLY
FOR PEOPLE TO SEE HOW OBAMA REACTED WITH THAT BENGHASI ATTACK, AND IF HE SHOULD BE RE-ELECTED AFTER DEMONSTRATING HE LET HIS AMERICAN DOWN, MEAN THAT HE WOULD LET ANY AMERICAN DOWN TO BE RE-ELECT, THAT’S THE FACT FACING ALL PEOPLE,
HE IS ME ,MYSELF, AND I
BETTER BEFORE THAN TOO LATE.
I admire the fact that he’s willing to say what he believes to be true, in spite of all of the pressure that’s likely being put on him to do otherwise. Good for him.
And good for General Keane, who says what he thinks to be true, even though that truth isn’t as politically useful to the party he supports as a lie would be.
@Greg: #60 Everyone knows Rivera is a shill for the EC. We all know that in the face of one General Ham being relieved then the Admiral being relieved, if he isn’t ready to retire Gen Keane had to follow orders. Do you think for one second if he wasn’t singing from the same song book, he wouldn’t be singing. Within one minute of going against EC he would find out he had voluntarily retired. I’m going to 2nd Retire05 and wonder why you won’t answer his question. As far as the AC130 gunships, just check out what the force at Siggonella has available to them. I assure you it includes 2 of them. (and as I said, I know that down here in Loosyanna)
@Greg:
ah hahahahahahaha, still laughing……..
@Greg: You said:
Wrong again, Greggster. There are CONFIRMED reports detailing the requests for aid, for the fact that the WH situation room had real time video intel, and that repeated requests for assistance were denied.
How are reports from military folks on the ground, both our own and Libyan security forces “politically motivated?”
@Greg: Hmm, lookie what is behind the numbers…
@Greg: You said, about the military:
Yeah, I am sure that military folks stationed all over the world just cannot wait for four more years of being led by a community organizer…
Really, Greggie. You ought to stop and re-read your posts before hitting that “Post Comment” button.
@anticsrocks, #68:
So far, there are no such credible reports. There are only people who claim that there are. And more people who are beginning to point that fact out.
No one can put a name to any of the sources of the information the right wing media is presently pushing.
Give me one credible source, for example, that has actually documented there was an AC-130 that could have been called on in time to back up the people who came under attack at the CIA Annex.
I’ve never seen such a pack of shameless liars in my entire life. Nor a collection of people so willing to believe the lies, however obvious they might be.
@Greg: You said:
Um, gee. I dunno…
– or –
GREG
that would mean that whoever is guilty of planning the perfect crime
has done a perfect job, ain’t it?
so the ELECTION can follow it’s course without any more BENGHASI INTERFERENCE,
IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE HAPENING?
Your source is BREITBART? That’s like saying your source is FOX News. Where did they get that very important bit of information?
No, it ISN’T now known, just because Awr Hawkins says it is. Ol’ Awr might have just made that up. There’s no indication whatsoever that he didn’t.
Then there’s The Washington Times:
Oh, do you really? And how do you know that, Adm. Lyons? How is it you have this understanding?
Admiral Lyons has been retired for over 25 years. He’s presently 85 years old. He probably read it in Breitbart. Using a magnifying glass.
The Washington Times was established by Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church, by the way, as a tool to fight the ever-present communist menace. Needless to say, they lean just a bit to the right.
It’s totally ridiculous.
@Greg: #40
If you would have been watching Fox News, you would have answers to your Benghazi questions. They are having several reports about it.
They have several reports they’re playing in constant rotation. It probably has something to do with the elections. I’ll get interested the moment they reveal any verifiable information from a credible source that’s actually willing to go on record. At that point, they’ll have my full and undivided attention.
“Sources say. . . Sources say. . . Sources say. . . ” Again and again and again. FOX never once names one.
@Greg: You said:
You just described an Obama 2012 voter.
Yeah, there’s a gotcha reply. You get 2 points.
But what of the fact that FOX is continuously injecting critical details into their story without feeling any need whatsoever to cite a single, solitary source that could verify any of them?
That’s not reporting the news. It may superficially look like reporting the news, but it’s actually something else entirely.
GREG
FOX CHECK THEIR SOURCE that is for sure, they are in no way looking for to be sue,
but aren’t they waiting for THE PRESIDENT to explain his conduct, before they give their source,
although they don’t need to at all, they are not in a justice court,
and they find more details and bring it on,
that should be the PRESIDENT JOB to do.
@Obama Drone Greggie: Is CBS a good enough source for you?
CharlieGee
hi,
I see that you actually found their games,
it make a lot of sense, because they have more chance to have readers
on getting sensationalist subjects that chock the readers
bye
Right. A Predator drone was on-site hours after the attack began.
A team of special operators was moved from central Europe to the large Naval Air Station in Sigonella, Italy.
What don’t we understand about the concepts of time and distance?
Availability is generally understood to mean that you can get something to the place we’re it’s needed in time to do something useful.
Greg, What Gen Keane said was, IF Arfican command could ONLY draw upon African resources, THEN there was nothing within 24 hours to help.
BUT what the General left out was that, in emergencies, those lines disappear and European sources could be brought in within an hour.
Of course, Obamite Geraldo lapped it up.
But you might be interested to know that no one in the Obama administration has even alleged this limitation.
I’ve watched Hillary for decades.
She nods her head YES when she agrees with speakers.
When Obama dragged her out to one White House announcement, she did NOT nod in any agreement with Obama about what happened in Benghazi.
Her mea culpa was not that she couldn’t get help, but that she was ”responsible” for their security.
Leon Panetta has not really done a mea culpa.
But instead he infantilized our military MEN saying he could never put them into a situation he didn’t fully have info on.
Not our MEN, not our choppers, not our planes???
How weird is that?
Our BOYS and our toys should be only played with if they can all be safe.
Obama went to Las Vegas to fundraise and politick the day of the Benghazi attack.
When the story got legs Obama tried to blame a video.
Watergate led right up to Nixon even though he didn’t do any of the acts, only the cover-up.
Benghazigate does the same thing for Obama.
HE should resign, like Nixon.
Not being re-elected is too good for him and gives him too much more time for mischief.
Romney has put his bus into the Hurricane Sandy work, cancelled appearances.
So, Obama did, too…..cancel appearances, that is.
Unlike forest fires that destroys swathes of entire states and got no attention from Obama, on this storm, Sandy, Obama is promising help in advance.
Obama is following from behind not even pretending to lead.
GREG
YES, IT would have been useful on the right time, that is before it happened,
before the previous attack, OBAMA really miss by far,
can we say before two years,
was it a conspiracy of the size of SANDY, will we ever know?
it’s incredible that they want to vote him back with that blood on him,
one thing was achieved in his one term, that is the propaganda they spend so much
with the people’s money, to screw up the mind of so many with the help of the UNIONS
AND THE MEDIA, NO WANDER THEY RUIN THE PEOPLE THEY RUIN THEIR STANDARD, THEY RUIN AMERICA,
THEY RUIN THE CREDIBILITY THE WORLD HAD ON AMERICA,
WHEN YOU SEE THE COMPANIES LEAVE THE COUNTRY, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICE AS A SIGN
THAT THERE WAS A DANGER INSIDE, AND THEY WON’T COME BACK, UNTIL IT’S SAFE FOR THEM.
@anticsrocks: Greg, I believe you can’t imagine the truth you have fallen for 0-blama’s lies so long you believe them. You wouldn’t know the truth if it told you that 0-blama said he wouold but the deficit in half by now or that he said unemployment would be at or below 6% by now. You believed this lie and now all you can do is blame someone else for your black messiah’s failures.
Louie Gohmert? I didn’t believe anyone actually put any stock in his opinion. I always figured he was the Gomer Pyle of the Republican party.
But this article is simply an example of how logic fails the ultra-conservative-right-wing: The “word” didn’t come from Patraeus, so it must have come directly from Obama—and then they spin their web of misinformation on that base.
But what happens when their pet theories are proven false? I suppose that they continue to believe them—amidst contrary evidence—and continue to spin more, but similar webs based on other fictions (all encapsulated in their bubble of the imaginary world in which they live). Sort of like the John Birch society.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
So tell me the part of the Constitution that allows the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State or the Director of Central Intelligence to send American troops into harm’s way without the authority of the President of the United States. Show us, Lib1.
You see, you spew a lot of crap, but you never back it up with “this is what the law says, this is what the Constitution says.” You are a one-man walking joke. You slam Fox (not a real news source according to Obama, yet you said it was) but ignore articles given you from other sources if they don’t follow your narrative. When asked quesstions that are simple enough for a 5th grader to understand, you run off, say you’re leaving for the night and then simply jump threads.
Every poster here has your number. You are a one-man campaign for Obama (actually, there are four of you, just like the Stooges). Are you a freaking masochist that you actually enjoy being shown up for the fool, and political hack, that you are? My God, man, grow a set.
Now you go too far; you insult Louie Gohmert who has more brains in his big toe than you have in your entire empty head. Louie was not only Chief Justice for the Texas Supreme Court, he served as a JAG officer for four years. And unlike some of the idiots on your side of the aisle, you know, those brilliant Congress critters like Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers (Read the bill? Why should I read the bill when it would take a team of lawyers four days to read the bill?), the idiot who was concerned that too many troops on Guam would cause the island to tip over, Joe Biden (now there is a real piece of work who never seems to know what state he’s in), Nancy Pelosi who said we have to pass Obamacare so we can find out what’s in it, and all the rest of the useful idiots on your side.
Go away. You have embarrassed yourself enough for the year. You have ceased to be funny; now you’re just pathetic. Go over to DailyKos. They have a whole army of useful idiots that you can spout off to and not be shown up for the brain dead jerk you are.
There are recordings of pretty much the entire event. Release them. Let’s see what the truth is. Right now, Obama has slapped a “top secret” lid on them.
@Greg: Tell me Greg- why would Doherty and Woods be painting a target? For practice?
DrJohn
I have a feeling that FOX has to get each piece of new fact they discover, must get it okayed by the one in charge who ever it might be,
am I right?
and we just have to look how quick they took out the ADMIRAL AND THE GENERAL 4 STAR HAM
FOR NOT AGREEING WITH THEM.
AND someone mentioned they had no right to do it without a court process.
bye
Can anyone else smell the Lefts’ sheer panic on this issue?
Yes, aye, and what a Foul Stench it is.
Or, is it a Flowery Bouquet?
@ilovebeeswarzone: Yes, Bees, someone has to make the call.
@Aye: Oh yeah
ThunderGod
yes a bouquet soaking in blood,
bye
@Aye:
The problem is there is no panic in the Obama campaign over Benghazi. Obama knows that the lapdog media will cover for him (just check how many stories on Benghazi are on CNN, MSNBC, NYSlimes, et al). Obama skated on Fast And Furious, he thinks that because the lapdog press is complicit in covering up Benghazi, and the massive failures there, this will all just blow over as Sandy blows in.
Gregory can’t answer the Target painting piece, with no background in service he could only chime in on toenail painting….
retire05,
It does seem that the News drones have seized-on the storm as excellent cover for the last week-10 days of the Election cycle, doesn’t it? Two reasons, of course; A) It’s headed for their beloved East Coast, and B) it gets Benghazi out of the news.