Say What? November 22, 2011 Edition [Reader Post]



Jesse Lagreca, Wall Street protester/leader, who seems pretty coherent and level-headed: “We actually had our own volunteer cleaning crew doing the best we can to maintain the sanitation in the area.”

Jesse Lagreca: “Actually, the relationship with the NYPD has been tremendous; I think they’ve done a tremendous job of protecting us and we’ve been doing as much as we can to facilitate them in their protecting us.”

Occupy Portland Leader in a chant: “There will be no urinating in public.”

Occupy Portland attendee: “F__ the police…The police are a government-run gang; they’re there to protect the hidden political interests of the politicians, period.”

50 members of the Occupy Wall Street movement chanting: “Surveillance is violence, we won’t remain silent!”

Occupy Nashville person who crashes former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld speaking even at the Hilton Hotel: “I call upon you to surrender yourself as a war criminal.”

40 Occupy protesters waited outside the same building chanting: “Hey Donald, you can’t hide! We charge you with genocide!” “Goodbye life and freedom. License to kill is here. James Bond and Darth Vader is in your nabourhood.”

Dem Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Occupy Wall Street, “I believe that movement is unstoppable.”
Anne Hathaway, who is worth $58 million, holds up a sign at Occupy Wall Street:  “Blackboards not bullets.”

Shepard Fairey, creator of the iconic 2008 poster of Obama: “As flawed as the system is, I see Obama as a potential ally of the Occupy movement if the energy of the movement is perceived as constructive, not destructive. I still see Obama as the closest thing to “a man on the inside” that we have presently.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid about the super-committee: “I was hoping there would be a lot of hand-holding and hugs and pats on the back; we’d be headed home for Thanksgiving.”

Nancy Pelosi: “but the truth is what I said. I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it …but they have this conscience thing”

Harry Reid: “While it’s proper to guard against and remove onerous regulations, and we need to do that, my Republican friends have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that the regulations they hate so much do the broad economic harms they claim.  That’s because there aren’t any.”

Senator John Kerry on a debt deal: “To have something on the table that does not ask the wealthiest people in the country to share (the burden) … is unconscionable.”

Nancy Pelosi on Herman Cain calling her “Princess Nancy”: “Really, it’s another one of those clueless statements – clueless in that you don’t say something like that.”

Senator John Kerry on Mitt Romney: “There are few people I’ve met in public life who have changed on as many issues as he has.  Every major touchstone of American politics – from abortion to guns to war to God to gays, you name it.”   This is the Senator who voted against the Iraq war funding after he voted for it.

From Vice President Joe Biden‘s schedule: “At 1:00 PM, the Vice President will attend a meeting of the Government Accountability and Transparency Board in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. At 2:30 PM, the Vice President will meet with representatives of the National Sheriffs’ Association in the Roosevelt Room. These meetings are closed press.”

Rep. Maxine Waters on deaths and crime taking place in the midst of the occupy movement: “that’s life and it happens.”

Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz: “State legislatures are attempting to impose voting restrictions that are the modern day equivalent of poll taxes and literacy tests.  We cannot allow state legislatures to drag our nation backward in what is nothing more than a political quest to protect their governing majority’s interests.”

Michael Moore struggling with Obama conspiracy theories: “This [the many simultaneous shutdowns of the occupy movements] is not some coincidence. This was planned and I think the question really has to be asked of the federal government and of the Obama administration. Why? Why? Why are you participating in this against a non-violent mass movement of people who are upset at what Wall Street and the banks have done to their lives?”

Former Green Jobs Czar Van Jones: “You’re going to see an evolution now as you go from protests, keep the protests, but now expand into politics.  And if you thought there was an earthquake in 2010 when the Tea Party moved into politics, wait until this 99 percent movement moves over into politics. You haven’t seen anything yet…[this evolving movement is] going to be recruiting 2,000 candidates to run for office now under this 99 percent banner [in] phase two.”

Stephanie Miller, radio host: “Oh, by the way, speaking of disrespecting the Reagan, this is one of America’s funniest liberal pranks.”

Chris Lavoie, Miller sidekick: “Oh yeah in Newport Beach vandals vandalized the Ronald Reagan statue and made it lean left. Seriously. That really happened.”

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard: “She [Mrs. Obama] said to him {President Obama] that you often don’t eat because you are so focused on your work that you forget to eat, and she wanted to make sure that we feed you well in Australia.”

Daily Kos columnist and occupy-phile Troubadour: “It’s worse than you think.  With the evolution of Occupy Wall Street, the threat that made George W. Bush reticent to go for full-blown dictatorship is now out of the bag: People are actively resisting and disrupting the money and power structure that underlies the Republican Party and, sadly, major portions of our own party – structures that now completely define the ideology, rhetoric, and policies of a huge proportion of our government without even a pretense of addressing the American people.  We are resisting this state of affairs with increasing sophistication, volume, and success, while government institutions are flailing to stop us without even pretending to address our grievances.  But all of what we do is dependent on a few, fragile liberties and lines of communication that a sufficiently ruthless, shameless, and desperate regime could easily shatter.”  I had to check the date of this column to make sure it was current.  [Photograph above is from Berkeley, this past week, also living in the past]

Brad Spitzer, California-based analyst who has been taking part in the OWS protests: “Tents are not for me,”  He has been staying, apparently, in a $700/night hotel.

Climate scientist and activist James Hansen: “…we can say with a high degree of confidence that events such as the extreme summer heat in the Moscow region in 2010 and Texas in 2011 were a consequence of global warming.”  So, I guess if it agrees with global warming, it is climate, but if it doesn’t, it is just weather?

Film director and multi-millionaire Oliver Stone: “Americans are not really interested in problems abroad.  They have no empathy.”  Completely ignoring that contributions from Americans for any crisis anywhere in the world is always way more than contributions from anyone else from any other country.

Oliver Stone about why there is no discussion about American support for Israel: “There is such power, money, media and lobbying are so (powerful) that the truth can’t come out.”

Gladys Knight (without the Pips): “There’s a governing body up there. And sometimes he [Obama] can’t do what he wants to do. His hands are tied. And when we get those little social things coming back into play that we had in the ’60s – ah-ha! – then you get the kind of results that we’re having today. We’ve got to come back up to where we were and start supporting each other and loving each other. Because we can change the world if we come together.”

The Compliant Obama Press Corps:

NBC news anchor Brian Williams: “And out to lunch. Does pizza really look like a vegetable to anybody? The better question may be what does Congress have against healthier lunches for kids?

NPR’s Nina Totenberg: “It doesn’t look good when half a billion dollars goes down the drain. On the other hand, this program, which was originally in the Bush administration and Solyndra was originally okayed in the Bush administration, actually allocates $10 billion for losses, because it was supposed to be a seed money program. It was endorsed by every Republican and I believe every Democratic member of the House committee that originally approved it. It was, you know, many people think it’s a good idea. Many people don’t. But there is nothing illegal about what went on here, or even probably very political except that somebody wanted the layoffs delayed…They shouldn’t have done that, but there is no evidence that there was any political anything about the awarding of this contract.”

AP story: “Letting extended jobless assistance expire would mean that more than 6 million people would lose benefits averaging $296 a week next year, with 1.8 million cut off within a month.  Economist say those jobless benefits – up to 99 weeks of them in high unemployment states – are among the most effective way to stimulate the economy because unemployed people generally spend the money right away.”

Kathleen Parker on Face the Nation: “Well, he’s [Newt Gingrich]– he’s certainly the flavor of the week. And– and Newt Gingrich does very, very well in debates. You know, he’s not really much of a campaigner. In fact, he’s been described as sort of a misanthrope. That would be sort of interesting wouldn’t it to have a misanthropic President.”  A misanthrope is someone that hates mankind.

Washington Post’s Kathleen Parker: “Gingrich, who, whatever his flaws and despite the weight of his considerable baggage, is…a populist professor – a bombastic smarty-pants.”  In the context of this piece, Parker was actually paying some respect to Gingrich’s intelligence, yet managed to attack him for being intelligent just as, a few paragraphs earlier, she attacked Herman Cain for being stupid.

Paul Begala of the Daily Beast: “But today’s Republican Party is more the party of Sarah Palin‘s defiant know-nothingness than the brainy conservatism of Bill Bennett. The GOP is a party of ideologues, not ideas.”

MSNBC’s Al Sharpton on a Balanced Budget Amendment: “This extreme piece of Republican mean-spiritedness could have destroyed up to 15 million jobs and slashed social programs.”

MSNBC morning anchor Thomas Roberts: “With members of the Occupy Wall Street movement identifying themselves as the 99 percent, it leaves the question, who makes up the one percent? The easy answer — billionaire bankers, well-known CEOs. But what about one percenters who may not know that they fall into that category? And it seems that some wealthy Americans who have been outspoken in support for the Occupy movement are unaware that they do.  Our “Flipside” today takes a look at some unexpected one percenters. First up, though, 57 members of Congress who fall into the top one percent of earners in the U.S. This includes, yeah, right there, that lady, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who has come out in support of the Occupy movement. Next, we go to Hollywood where celebrities like filmmaker Michael Moore, actor Alec Baldwin and business mogul Russell Simmons have all voiced their separate support for the Occupy Wall Street movements, yet they are among the elite one percent. So it’s good to know that the Occupy Wall Streeters have some friends in high places.”

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews: “Obama is wonderfully skilled at evoking what America’s all about. I think he’s great at it. He thrills me when he does it. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I was inspired by him.”

MSNBC’s Chris Matthew’s admitting to be a bit adrift, without a clear rudder in his life, speaking to Obama: “There’s nothing to root for. What are we trying to do in this administration? Why does he want a second administration? We he tell us? What’s he going to do with a second term? This? Is this it? Is this as good as it gets? Where do we go? Are we about to do something in this second term? He’s as yet to tell us. He has not said one thing about what he’d do in a second term. . . Is he going to deal with the long term debt system? How? Is he going to reform the tax system? How? Just tell us. Why are we in this fight with him? Just tell us commander, give us our orders and tell us where we’re going. Give us the mission. And, he hasn’t done it.”

Liberals from the past:

President Obama from last month: “The most important thing we can do right now is those of us in leadership letting people know that we understand their struggles and we are on their side, and that we want to set up a system in which hard work, responsibility, doing what you’re supposed to do, is rewarded.”  This is capitalism, right?  Isn’t that the system that rewards hard work, responsibility and doing what you’re supposed to do?

Woodrow Wilson: “Nothing has spread socialistic feeling in this country more than the use of the automobile.  To the countryman, they are a picture of the arrogance of wealth, with all its independence and carelessness.”  Yes, this is real.  Driving around in cars was an arrogant show of riches (Wilson said this before he was elected president, when cars were a new thing).

Liberal civility:

Former CNN host Bill Press: “I think it’s pretty clear to me and to you that the Republicans have dug in their heels. Their loyalty is to Grover Norquist and the American Tax Reform Association,” he said, mangling the name of the group. (It’s Americans for Tax Reform.) “Their loyalty is not to the American people, it’s not to the Constitution of the United States. I know that’s a strong statement, but I think they’re guilty of treason. I think they really do care more about Grover Norquist than they do about you or me.”

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews of Newt Gingrich: “He’s not a human being, he’s a gaseous state. Isn’t he? I mean Joan, this is like a gaseous state around the world. I mean, this is Newtism.”

Occupy Berkeley protester to a female student who declined to join the OWS protest: “People like you are the reason that California is in debt.”  Then he threw a full aluminum water container at her, hitting her in the face.

Crazy Muslims:

The new head of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, of the late Osama Bin Laden: “People don’t know that this man was tender, gentle, kind, with refined feelings, even when life was hard…We never saw a man like him.”

Libyan rebels sing a new song: “We will go in groups to stop them; We will bring back the purity of Islam to Tripoli; After all our humiliations, after all our humiliations.”

Mohammed Javad Larivani, Secretary General for the High Council for Human Rights of Iran: “We are not pursuing the nuclear armament for two basic reasons.  Number one, there is a fatwa by Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader [of Iran], that it is against Islam[ic views of] prudence to build and use mass destruction weapons.  Secondly, it doesn’t aid our security. It is more of a liability than an asset for us. Our military muscle is strong enough to deter or repel any imminent threat.”

Liberals making sense:

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg about the Occupy Wall Street protestors: “No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibilities. The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out?-?but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others?-?nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law. There is no ambiguity in the law here?-?the First Amendment protects speech?-?it does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space.”  He’s right.  He should have said this 2 months ago.

Senator Dick Durbin about “going big” (having a $4 trillion reduction in the next 10 years): “This is our chance to make a difference.”

MSNBC’s Chris Matthew’s making sense: “But once having won the office he [Obama] thought that was the end of it in connection to the American people. Don’t you feel – I think everybody feels an absence of communication from the time he’s been elected. It’s not about not being left wing or too left. That’s not his problem. It’s connection. Mrs. Obama, she’s an amazing asset. What has she done? Obesity? How about connecting with the American people about being Americans? I don’t think she’s – I don’t think she’s happy. I don’t think they like being in the White House. The American people can tell that. They don’t seem thrilled at the fact the American people selected them as our first family. I don’t sense the gratitude, happiness level, the thrill of being president. Bill Clinton loved being president every minute and you knew it.”


Larry Elder: Do you consider yourself a journalist?

Chris Matthews: Yeah, I’m a journalist. I’m a columnist. I’m a commentator.

Elder: No, no a journalist – you think you’re an objective down-the-middle journalist?

Matthews: No, I’m not down the middle. I’m slightly to the left.

Elder: Slightly to the left?

Matthews: I’d say 40-yard line.

CBS reporter: “You’re saying you’re not going to leave until you get what you want; what do you want?”

Jesse Lagreca: “Well, I think it’s pretty obvious.  I mean, you see all the overarching conversations that we’re having right now, but they all tie in together, that corporate greed has just trashed our economy, that lawlessness of the very wealthiest 1% has just put all of our lives at risk.  So, it’s not really demands we should be discussing right now; it’s grievances.  It’s almost like giving a diagnosis to a patient when you haven’t quite figured out what he’s sick of.  We need to talk about what we’re sick of first, and then we’ll start talking about demands.”

MSNBC‘s Ed Schultz, on the repeal of Gov. John Kasich‘s collective bargaining reform in Ohio: “Great work in Ohio, Congressman.”

Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio: “Thank you.  And thank you on behalf of everybody in Ohio for all you did to help us.”

Meghan Mccain: You know, it’s really sad to see the primary process turn into this, this kind of anything but Romney scenario that’s happening.

Jay Leno, Host: Yeah, because Newt Gingrich was just out of it, and now he seems to be rising.

Mccain: Yeah.

Leno: And well hot air balloons do that, but yeah. That’s my joke.


Charles Krauthammer, to a couple of liberals, repeatedly explaining that revenue increases have been offered by the Republicans: “I mean, what planet are you guys living on? This week, forget about the ’90s, Pat Toomey, a Club of Rome Republican, proposed an increase in tax revenues. I’m trying to explain to you that if you’re a Republican and you’re a conservative, a Club of Rome conservative, you can propose raising revenues as long as the rates, the marginal rates stay the same or go down. The way that you square that is by eliminating loopholes, which is what he proposed. This isn’t history, it isn’t hypothetical, it’s real, and the Democrats have said, No.”

Republican Senator Tom Coburn: “America is already tired of Occupy Wall Street.  They’ve seen the vast majority are great people but they have attracted a fringe group that are both law breakers, inconsistent with their message, they haven’t controlled it and the fact is, you’ve never seen violence like this, law breaking like this and some of the vile stuff that’s occurred in any other political group in this country in my lifetime.”

Greg Gutfeld, during a discussion about how the Berkeley City Council was unhappy about the name Operation Geronimo used when taking out Bin Laden: “Geronimo looks like your typical gender studies teacher.”

Cashin’ In’s Jonathon Honig: “Government is not  charity…it’s not government’s role.”

Frank Luntz: “I feel like Dr. Phil.”

Dana Perino: “Demi and Ashton have broken up.  I mean, the world is spinning out of control.”

Rush Limbaugh: “‘United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called on world leaders Monday to collaborate in financing a multibillion-dollar fund to combat global warming.’ Does Mr. Ban Ki-moon not understand that the world now knows, at least America now knows that this whole global warming thing is a manufactured left-wing hoax?”

Rush Limbaugh: “Any attempt to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, any attempt to bring them in line and make them behave in a standard, common-sense business way was looked at as an assault on the poor. And the left did everything they could with their media to stand up and defend Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as great institutions helping the poor, the great unwashed.”

Rush Limbaugh: “Here we have Barack Obama, who’s traveling the world and this country and telling everybody he’s focused like a laser on job creation. He’s doing his level best to prevent the creation of jobs, particularly in the oil industry because if he does he runs the risk of losing his base.”

Presidential candidate Herman Cain: “Who knows every detail of every country on the planet?  The people that get on the Cain train, they don’t get off because of that crap.”

Rush Limbaugh: “Herman Cain, in remarks yesterday, ranked US ally India with China as a rising threat to the United States in Asia.  No, wait, wait.  That was Leon Panetta that said that.”

Rush Limbaugh: “Why would a 700 or almost $850 billion stimulus shrink the economy over ten years? Because it can do nothing else. It takes that money out of the private sector. Before you can spend $850 billion of the government you gotta take it out. It’s a net wash.”

Rush Limbaugh: “Folks, it is a real possibility our economy could collapse. What’s so frustrating to us is that members of our own party don’t even see that.”

Rush Limbaugh: “The stimulus was a slush fund designed to keep union workers employed during the recession so that their dues were collected, so that Democrat campaign coffers were continually replenished.”

Rush Limbaugh: “This administration is just a giant roadblock to growth, everything they’ve done. They’re taking money out of the private sector and giving it to the public sector, unions, more bureaucracy, EPA, I don’t care what agency you want to talk about, they’re getting more money.”

Rush:  “Every photo from the Occupy protests looks like a campaign add for conservatism, and this is why they had to be cleared out of there. This is why they had to go.”

Rush: “These people at Occupy whatever, they are the perfect representatives of the Democrat Party. What they did to Zuccotti Park is what the Democrats would end up doing to the whole country if every one of their policies survived unchecked.”

Rush: “We are three years into Barack Obama‘s war on prosperity and I think Americans are coming to grips with the upside, if not the necessity, of limited government.”

Rush: “We don’t have a revenue problem; we have a spending problem, and raising taxes is only going to exacerbate that.”

Conservatives not making any sense:

Presidential candidate Ron Paul: “Just remember that immediately after 9/11, we removed the base in Saudi Arabia, our policies definitely had an influence.  To argue the case they want to do us harm because we’re free and prosperous I think is a very dangerous notion, because it’s not true.”
Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Romneycare: “I am sure there are many people who have calculated, and perhaps correctly, that thehealthcare plan I put in place in Massachusetts is not good for me politically, and if I want to encourage my political future, I should say it was a mistake and walk away from it.”

Megan McCain on Newt Gingrich: “I said that [Newt] was running for president purely for vanity purposes – to sell books, to sell DVDs, which I still believe. Someone told him that, and he was like `What would she know?’ and his implication was, like, `dumb blond chick, get off TV, what do you know?’ And he just was so – I’m so sick of being talked to like that.”

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I am not part of the OWS, so I suppose I am a 1%, but where is all the money?

I wonder how much someone paid her to pose with that sign? The dirty fingernails are admittedly a nice touch, but someone really should have caught the eye makeup and her accomplice’s spotless white shirt and neatly pressed fatigues. (Refer to the Chicks Don’t Dig Camping Out With a Bunch of Smelly Losers thread.)

hey greg do you have an excuse handy for the thousands of other disgusting things going on at these ows dirtball rally’s?

something tells me you do.

@rumcrook, #3:

hey greg do you have an excuse handy for the thousands of other disgusting things going on at these ows dirtball rally’s?

You’ll have to be more specific. Are you referring to pepper-spraying kids in the faces, shooting veterans in the head with tear gas canisters, running down people with police motorbikes, or beating up 70 year old poet laureates?

I’m already busy at the moment being disgusted with the Romney campaign, for essentially admitting that they see absolutely nothing wrong with flat-out lying to the public in campaign ads. Sorry I can’t give the question my full attention. I expected better of Romney.

Well, rumcrook… I guess that’s your answer. He has plenty of excuses handy. Greg believes there are no legitimate law enforcement tools available, or acceptable to him, to disseminate mob rule. He’s a beer summit kind’o’guy. LOL

And of course it doesn’t matter that the motobike was debunked as BS, the video shows the canister came from the rear of the police crowd (and unknown source) against protesters who, of course, resisted all reasonable attempts to disseminate. The “poet laureate” (that’s a joke in itself…) only “proof” for a desperate attempt at a hand wringing self op-ed. No photos. No medical reports. And oh yeah… married to a long time antiwar activist. They choose to get in the campus police faces, of course… then wonder why they were in the thick of it.

The pepper spray? Still have yet to hear from Greg just what he thinks law enforcement can do that meets his approval to break up mobs. The way these anarchy sympathizers whine, you’d think they were all waterboarded.

Cue the tiny violins….

@Greg: How many veterans and were they shot in the head because they were veterans? The implication is that there was more than one and it was done because they were veterans. So far, all I’ve read about is one veteran and there was no evidence he was singled out and shot in the head because he was a veteran which seems to be the spin of this group and their supporters.

@another vet, #6:

I don’t think Olsen was singled out because he was a veteran. The relevant fact is that the protesters include veterans. (Veterans Scott Olsen and Joshua Shepherd, shortly before the incident.) Also included are 70 year old English professors and college students. The point is that the protesters obviously aren’t just a motley crew of lice-infested, anarchist rabble, as some people would very much like everyone to believe.


Are you referring to pepper-spraying kids in the faces

I must admit, when I first saw the video, it seemed a little weird the David police would go from nothing to suddenly spraying kids who appeared to be passive before them.

However, when I finally read the whole story, it became more apparent that the police were set up here by the protesters to get just this sort of a video.

They have no desire to get the truth out; they have a desire to manipulate us with videos.

@Greg: I don’t believe he was singled out as a Vet either, but that seems to be the spin a lot of people are putting on it. Obviously not all of the OWS protesters are scum but not all of them are who they portray themselves as either. Someone like Cary who posts here truely believes he is trying to make a positive difference in the country and I don’t have an issue with that even though I don’t agree with all of their complaints or tactics. I haven’t checked out the latest numbers, but the OWS crowd’s approval rating or whatever you want to call it, is clearly nosediving and will continue to do so the longer this goes on. They had their 10 minutes 0f fame and are now wearing out their welcome. They would be best advised to quit while they are ahead which at this point, they probably aren’t anymore.

Greg #4 I too expected more from Romney.Appears to be a total sell out to win nom. These adds will come back to hurt him in general election.
Happy Thanksgiving to all

@Richard Wheeler:
At the CNN debate last night, Wolf Blitzer opened by pointing out that Wolf was his real name.
Then Mitt Romney said his real name was Mitt Romney.
But that’s not totally true.
His never-used 1st name is Wilmore.

NAN Actually his given name is Willard but that’s not the deceitful adds Greg and I are referencing. Shamefull! Who would you like to see win the nom?

@Richard Wheeler:

Thanks, Richard, I went from memory.

Richard, as with last time around, it seemed to me that only a composite of the whole Republican field really made up the candidate I would have liked to have voted for.
But that never happens.

I would love it if whoever gets the nomination is at least influenced by some of the other candidates’ views.
Not a one of them really is perfect for me.
But then I wouldn’t expect one would be.

People complain about all these debates.
Not me.
Every one of the debates gives all the candidates a chance to understand where their opponents are coming from.
More room, more time to adjust their viewpoints.

Nan #14 Based on that answer you’d make a pretty good pol. yourself. lol
Another Vet How bout you. Got a straight answer on who you like?

greggy you take the cake for obtuse useful idiot. ive read alot of your comments and its clear you will always ignore the elephant in the room. your deflection and smugness isnt fooling anybody on this blog. and your blind support of the left is pathetic.

@Richard Wheeler: I still think Perry is the most qualified and would probably vote for him with Cain as a close second. I don’t know if either can recover, Perry from his bad debate perfomances or Cain from what looks more and more like bogus charges. By the time the primaries get to the People’s Republic of Illinois, our vote for the Republican is usually a moot point because it’s already been decided on. Something tells me Trump may throw in as a third party candidate, which would guarantee a second term to Obama.


Comrade greg’s strategy for ignoring/excusing OWS actions

1) Claim they aren’t really OWSers (he has done this in two threads already)
2) Point to false claims about police brutality (again done in several threads)
3) Claim there was little violence
4) Claim violence etc. was done by infiltrators

Greg, the wounded vet was wounded by OWS idiots throwing things and not the police. As a marxist liar and propagandist I know you’ll continue to say it was the police.

Confirmed: Scott Olsen’s Injuries Were NOT Caused By Sheriff’s Deputies

Here is an example of the left’s support for freedom of speech…

@Nan G: if that was your first name, Nan, you’d lie about it too. I can’t hold that against Mitt.

@another vet: I’m a Texan; and I’d certainly vote for Perry over Obama. But he has been a so so governor. Our property taxes are far too high, there are too many people on welfare type programs, and he has done nothing innovative about the school system (I used to be a school teacher).

Now, some things that he has said have been great, and maybe he will do something to back that up.

I am still a Cain man; mostly bc I think the 9-9-9 plan is inspired. I like that much more than Perry’s plan; but a flat tax is my second choice…as long as it reaches down and picks up that other half of the non-tax paying population.

another vwt
I don’t think he had a bad debate, it was ROMNEY who had a bad debate , he should have shot his mouth and let RICK PERRY FINISH, BECAUSE ROMNEY ATTACK RICK AN BEFORE AND IT WAS RICK PERRY’S TURN TO GIVE HIM THE RETURN ANSWER.

@gary kukis: Cain is definitely more qualified than Obama. For that matter so are all of the candidates. The one edge I give Perry over Cain on is his experience in running a government which is different than running a corporation. There will be less of a learning curve for Perry than Cain in dealing with Congress. I probably look at Perry as being a more successful governor than you do because I live in Illinois and half of our last six governors ended up in jail and the state is on the verge of bankruptcy. If you guys don’t want him you can always send him our way! Of course this state has drifted so far to the left he would never get elected.

@ilovebeeswarzone: The ones before the last one were pretty bad though. Unlike Cain, who dropped in the polls because of the smear machine, Perry’s drop in the polls appeared to have had more to do with his debate performances.

another vet
the main thing for him is he know to start the AMERICANS WORKING,
HE KNOW TO GET RID OF ABUSE ENTITLEMENT WHICH STRANGLE THE COMPANIES and the work force by association THIS DOESN’T TAKE DEBATING, he know his priority and he is stubborn enough to stick to it, WITHOUT HAVING TO DEBATE
AGAIN as they did time ago
he know the best debaters if he need them to work for him,
and he will have the most knowledgeble crew of AMERICANS
to work with and trust.

where are you, you have given us a profile of RICK PERRY,
even before he had decide to run, and you hit on the nail,
he is even better than that, I also saw his wife being interview, and she is the right person to be a model for AMERICAN WIFES AND MOTHERS AND YOUNG STUDENTS OF AMERICA,

@ilovebeeswarzone: Hopefully people will see that he is effective at getting things done and look past the debate perfomances which were probably the result of juming into the race as late as he did as opposed to his debating skills.

another vet
RICK PERRY mentioned it also at FOX NEWS, LATELY,
I like the way he continue to do the same work with the same effort as the first place candidates
with confidence, which it will help him to rise up, because AMERICANS WHO VOTES ARE LOOKING
and for the right reason,
his passionate love for AMERICA, and the certainty that he can do a good job being PRESIDENT
of the greatest NATION ON EARTH,

Ms Bees Perry, who is trailing Romney,Gingrich,Cain and Paul will be comforted to know he’s got at least one strong Canadian

@another vet:

I probably look at Perry as being a more successful governor than you do because I live in Illinois and half of our last six governors ended up in jail and the state is on the verge of bankruptcy.

Point taken.

And I agree, when it comes to working with Congress, as Cain versus Perry. However, Cain has certainly adjusted to a variety of situations and business models in his past, and could adapt (in my opinion) for that reason.

However, and I know many people feel this way, I’d love to see an outsider to the political system. The idea that we are running a $1.4 trillion deficit year after year after year and Congress is confused about what they should do? That boggles my mind. A normal, non-political person would determine that $1.4 trillion has to be cut from the budget.

Richard Wheeler
there is many people who love RICK PERRY, and he is the right one for this PRESIDENCY,
which I don’t think is a blockage for his pursue of the position, it doesn’t interfere with his leadership
qualifications at all.
now they will rise him up, he deserve it, he stayed steady and that is a telling of what kind of a man he is,
indestructible the complete opposite of what it is now in leadership. plus intelligence and know how
and the right age and strength, for achieving the big task demanded.
and some other to his credit

because you have a beef against RICK, it still the fact that it’s only you, TO COMPARE

THE REALITY FOR SOME, is to vote their choice CANDIDATES and feel that it’s done,
BUT the other true voter will support his candidates and follow it even after he elect his choice,
and to be able to repair so much destruction, the future elect candidates will need all hands to help this COUNTRY WHICH HAS SLIP TOO LOW THIS TIME, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SO WIDELY DIVIDED

Gary Kukis
I see that you are very close to the problems there, being in TEXAS,
IT’s understandable to read your beef against PERRY, as a citizen under his GOVERNORSHIP,
AND like you mentioned, he did better than LOUISIANA, UNDER THE VERY DESTRUCTIVE HURRICANE,
THERE is also the fact the GOVERNOR is facing many blocks on some decisions they would like to tackle with, like those you would have resolve maybe or not, have been the GOVERNOR,
their is the fact they are dealing with priorities and other problems are not and left for future debates they have to submit to elected other, they also have to deal with DEMOCRATS AND UNIONS which are known to drag their feet, and delay some process to fix other problems, and so on. it seems to be a lot worse in other STATES, of course we always want more of them,
but he is known to do a super good job in TEXAS,
it’s okay he can brag about it, while running for the PRESIDENCY POSITION

Gary Kukis
hi, would it be THE CAUSE OF those issues not being tackle with? that they meet every 2 years as PERRY MENTIONED BEFORE, that could delay some if only tackle in the next 2 years, giving a big waiting gap for those problems to be solved instead of meeting every year to resolved it,
of course the expanses would increased at the government level, but when a STATE GET BIGGER IN ALL ASPECTS OF IT, like more citizens coming to more jobs created, more licences to be given to build houses and other like more firefighters more police officer and on and on, it take the front priority to elected officials still keeping their meeting in a 2 years schedule, might be causing it,
just thought of it,

Gary Kukis
what could they have done, could they have gone against the UNION, and had
and provide ways to diminish the quality of teaching by taking off some tasks from the teachers diminishing their will of dedication to their jobs instead of the sacred desire to help promote the knowledge,
with effort on working hard at it, their work became just a job that get paid with being secured GOOD OR LOUSY
by the UNIONS WHICH THEY WHERE PAYING FOR, then they lost the true meaning of the importance of teaching in every aspect of the word dedication to make the kids best AMERICANS.
today they don’t talk about the CONSTITUTION, don’t want the kids to bring the FLAG, don’t talk about JESUS AND GOD, in school to not offend who and what who complain at the smallest talk
degeneration of the true AMERICA DONE BY FOREIGNERS and UNIONS diminishing the tasks of teachers