image courtesy of grumpyelder.com
It’s HUGE. John Rosenthal at PJ Media:
And thanks to the recent reporting of CNN (where were they and the other media three years ago, when we needed them?), more people will realize that shortly after the passage of Obamacare the Obama administration implemented rules specifically designed to ensure that millions of people — those who provided for themselves on the individual market, i.e., who did not receive coverage through their employer or union — would not be allowed to keep their current insurance. Thus not only were Obama’s assurances untrue; they were purposeful deceit in which a supine press was complicit.
Jay Carney, the Official Propagandist of the Obama regime said:
One of the things health reform was designed to do was to help not only the uninsured but also the underinsured. And there are a number of Americans, fewer than 5 percent of Americans, who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.
Now if you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law and you really liked that plan, you were able to keep it. That’s what I said when I was running for office.
That was part of the promise we made.
No, not 5%. Try 69%.
John Hinderaker at Powerline Blog:
The Obama administration projected low-end, mid-range and high-end estimates for how many plans would be terminated, in total and broken down between large and smaller employers. The bottom line is that the administration expected 51% of all employer plans to be terminated as a result of Obamacare. That is the mid-range estimate; the high-end estimate was 69%. So as of 2010, the Obama administration planned that most Americans with employer-sponsored health care plans would lose them, whether they liked those plans or not.
As for individual, as opposed to group plans, the Obama administration said that data were insufficient to predict how many would lose grandfather status, but in any given year the percentage of such policies losing such status would “exceed[] the 40 percent to 67 percent range.”
Those numbers starkly contradict Obama’s “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” assurances. But it is worth noting that the percentage of pre-Obamacare plans that would terminate within the first few years after the law was enacted isn’t the main point. The administration never intended to allow any American to keep a non-Obamacare insurance policy for any length of time.
And for small business, it’s more like 80%.
Sen. Mike Enzi:
Unfortunately, the regulation writers at the Departments of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services broke all those promises. The regulation is crystal clear. Most businesses–the administration estimates between 39 and 69 percent–will not be able to keep the coverage they have.
Under the new regulation, once a business loses grandfathered status, they will have to comply with all of the new mandates in the law. This means these businesses will have to change their current plans and purchase more expensive ones that meet all of the new Federal minimum requirements. For the 80 percent of small businesses that will lose their grandfathered status because of this regulation, the net result is clear: They will pay more for their health insurance.
Obama said in video that you could keep your plan at least 36 times:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmo[/youtube]
This is not simply a lie. It is a lie of galactic proportions. All hell is going break loose next year when nearly everyone loses their plans, and that is why the employer mandate was delayed. So Obama could lie through another election cycle.
Democrats see the handwriting on wall and are getting skittish:
More than a dozen anxious Senate Democrats facing reelection next year met with President Obama at the White House Wednesday to review the administration’s progress in fixing technical problems hobbling the rollout of the Affordable Care Act.
The website is the least of their problems.
Megyn Kelly asks the obvious:
Megyn Kelly interview Fox editor Chris Stirewalt on a White House press conference with Jay Carney, and the political possibility arose that Obama may have won the 2012 election by lying about ObamaCare.
As if there was any doubt. The real question is- does he ever tell the truth about anything? And when will the press stop treating Obama as a novelty and hold him to account for these lies?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@Redteam:
Medicare? And maybe Social Security?
As Jackie Mason might say, Oy vey!
I imagine everyone who knows me would be astonished to hear that.
Obamacare couldn’t exist if there hadn’t been something seriously wrong with the situation that led up to it. You just weren’t one of the millions of people who were experiencing any of the seriously wrong aspects—because of your eligibility for that socialist program known as Medicare, in all probability.
@Richard Wheeler:
I doubt that is where Redteam got his degrees, but it would be a step up for you because it seems the money you spent on education was wasted, or you attended some liberal progressive university that indoctrinates, not educates.
Richard Wheeler
sad to hear the 4 MARINES LOST THEIR LIVES ,
IN FORT PENDELTON MANEUVER, CALIFORNIA
I was not sure if you knew it,
I just read it at FOX NEWS on the lower band,
SO SAD,
@Redteam: I believe you are one of the few old enough to remember when “distributing alcohol” was illegal.
Well almost old enough.
@Greg:
That’s how it is with secular progressives.
Don’t you think if there were a BIG problem at least one Republican would have voted for it?
It wasn’t me that invented that socialist program and no one in the world likes it.
@Richard Wheeler:
So you agree it is a term of secular progressives (clinton branch)
Nah, just trying to set you up with something better than the education you didn’t get at your bricks and mortar school.
@retire05: I know you folks prefer home schooling.
How do you think the term birther originated?
RT My 292 is correct as written. Your take is wrong.
@retire05:
Retire, I’m not gonna be as generous with Greggie as you are, because unless he has medicare, he will not have the same thing he had before at the same price he paid before. Medicare is THE ONLY insurance that has not been changed. I believe that even Medicaid has been changed. But it’s most likely something that someone is on the dole for.
One other possibility may be VA insurance, but I don’t think Greg is a retired vet or disabled vet.
@retire05:
even worse, it was an ivy league school. All of which are secular progressive.
GREG
he is an AMERICAN purebred, he serve and paid his retirement,
he damn well diserve any bit of it,
PICK ON AN ILLEGAL OR AN ANTI AMERICAN SOCIALIST COMMUNIST MARXIST,
BUT DON”T YOU DARE TOUCH MY FRIEND, ANY ONE OF THEM,
@Richard Wheeler:
Even then, no 15 year sentences. Moonshining was a game. Didn’t your buddy papa Kennedy get rich off illegal distributing liquor?
WHEN YOU THE LEADER FIND MONEY IS TIGHT,
STOP SPENDING FOR THOSE ENTERING FROM THE BORDERS,
AND THOSE IN FOREIGN LAND,
AND SPEND ON THE PEOPLE’S NEEDS,
AFTER HAVING CLOSE THE BORDERS,
Richard Wheeler
I believe the words of SHERIF ARPAGIO,
on the fraudulent birth certificat of OBAMA,
the SHERIF IS A MAN OF HIS WORD,
CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY DEMOCRATS ACCUSE THE CONGRESS
TO BE IN THE OBAMACARE FIX, OBAMA ALWAYS ACCUSE THEM FOR HIS FAILURE,
HE DOES IT AGAIN,
@retire05:
Here we go again, back full circle. What is it with the this growing Right Wing predilection for making highly inaccurate and insensitive historical analogies? Obamacare is like Nazism. National Debt is like slavery. Aside from the idiocy of these comparisons, what is the underlying motivation behind them? Is the lack of perspective simply a case of drastically overselling the alleged contemporary plights or one of underselling the historical ones? Obama hysteria coupled with an unfortunate lack of education might point to the former. But then one sees the the phenomenon of neo-Confederate apologia on the Right and one wonders if it’s possible the Sarah Palin’s of the world are simply pandering, attempting to white wash away the horrific realities of slavery through banal comparisons.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, the birth certificate, Selective service card are proven fraudulent. It has also been proven that he is using someone else’s Social Security number.
@Richard Wheeler:
Oh, my, what did we do before government schools? Outside of producing men like Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe and Lincoln? Even those icons of the Democrat Party, FDR and JFK, did not attend government schools.
Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn. But you sure seem to. Kinda fixated on that, aren’t you?
@Redteam, #305:
Nope. The Tea Party has them totally cowed via the tactic of primarying. The Tea Party contingent will target anyone who steps out of line with a war chest of out-of-state and special interest money at their disposal—even when doing so means replacing a popular, long-serving, middle-of-the-road republican with some right-wing candidate who is almost certain to lose when the actual election rolls around. I voted for republican Richard Lugar for years; he was pushed out in the primary race in favor of Richard Mourdock, who predictably lost. Mourdock—Mr. a child by rape is a gift from God—went on to become state treasurer, and managed to misdirect $526 million in state tax revenue into incorrect bank accounts. Before things were sorted out, local governments that were due the funds had to lay off employees and cut services. Most of the missing money has been located, but auditors are still trying to determine if other mishandling occurred.
@Redteam:
Obviously none of that is true. If it was, I have a feeling Fox News might have mentioned it at least once.
So tell me, RT. You claim you can look at an image of a fifty year old birth certificate and almost immediately recognize it as a fake. What are your credentials? What is your methodology? As an expert on birth certificates from the 1960’s, what is it specifically you look at when evaluating the authenticity? Don’t be afraid to be specific.
@Tom:
You really are not real bright, are you?
When the government owns you, you are a slave. Just look at social welfare. You think those that collect it are free citizens? They are told where to live, how much they can spend on groceries, what doctors they have to see, how much money they can earn before they are punished by a reduction in their goodies, etc. You think that is being a free human being?
What about when the government places debt on you that you can never repay but you have to keep sending it money for services you will never get? Are you not then a chattel property?
A free people make their own choices. Do you really think that Obamascare allows anyone to make their own choice about how much or what kind of insurance they have? Do you think placing requirements on the insurance you have is not a violation of your freedom? A man who is required to carry maternity care on his insurance policy, and pay for it, is not a free person.
Why are you such a Marxist?
@Tom: .
So Tom, remove all doubt, tell us which country you think has a great social medical system, then tell us why they come to the US for their medical care that their system doesn’t cover. (I suspect I’m gonna get no response to this)
who are these slaves you are referring to Tom? The only people that I know that see racism in everything are the racists.
I ask all these socialists where their socialist medical utopia is, and none of them have an answer. The US has, with Obamacare started a dramatic slide toward the bottom.
@Tom:
Nope, Fox wants to keep an FCC license. They’ve been told to lay off.
@Tom:
Okay, as soon as BHO produces a 50 year old birth certificate, I will look at it. The 30 minute old one that was presented is much easier to recognize the terrible work that was done while creating it. No expertise is necessary. A 15 year old child could fill you in on the details. Just curious, have you seen the image he presented?
I think I might have mixed up Moe and Curly up above, but it makes no difference, they’re just two of the three.
@Redteam: In #317 o5 confirmed the far right’s preference for home schooling. Two degrees you say— one from your momma and one from your grandma?
Aqua Pls tell me this guy is not representative of higher education in Ga. or the Deep South. Thanks Go Noles
@Richard Wheeler:
The words ‘far right’ is not in #317. See what a little more education could have done for you?
nope.
I doubt you could find out anymore about education in Georgia from Aqua than you could from me, but neither of my degrees came from the state of Georgia.
The main problem with schools in the country have to do with liberals, secular progressives and teachers union which are more interested in equal outcome than they are in education. Home schooling does avoid that. Why do you think private schools, throughout the country do better than public? There is no teachers union involved.
@retire05:
Chattel property? And what government are you referring to? Ours? I don’t know of anyone who is owned by the United States government and has been forced into chattel slavery. Do you even know the definition of chattel slavery? There is no person in America who, when late on an insurance payment or a credit card bill, is forced to work in a field all day for no compensation. No one’s skin is flayed, no one’s children taken away and sold. No one is lynched. So imagine for those who endured slavery, and for those who still honor their memories, how highly outrageous and insensitive your crass claiming of the term is for your petty little partisan whining, for your pathetic victim complex.
You have no idea what the different between a Liberal and a Marxist is, do you? Or a Liberal and a Progressive, for that matter.
Richard Wheeler
he is a fine representative, he know more than you here,
and his mother and grand mother did a good job ,
better than any school teaching from the OBAMA MINIONS PLANTED THERE
BY THE UNION’S FRIENDS OF THE SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP,
when you see the disgusting conduct of some schools kidS;
it tell more than you want to know,
THEY LOST ALL THOSE YEARS OF LEARNING,
@Richard Wheeler:
Really? Your talent for twisting what other people say knows no limits.
But I will tell you this; the education that our children are now being provided is not education, it is indoctrination. Teachers, most of whom have graduated from bleating heart liberal universities, are pushing their socialism, and their agenda, on our students, and most parents are clueless.
I attended a seminar on a voucher system for Texas students. Almost all of the parents in the room were Hispanic. They understand that substandard schools get substandard teachers (another benefit of Affirmative Action). These Hispanic parents wanted the right to send their kids to Christian schools, that most of them could not afford because, because their children would get a better education than at the local public school in the barrio. Do you think that those San Antonio Hispanics were all on the right side of the political aisle?
Do you even have any idea of the perils of Common Core or how Islam is being taught in our public schools while the ACLU sues over any kid that might make the sign of the cross when he makes a touchdown? How about pornography? Think that is appropriate for 14 year old students? Well, I can tell you; it’s there and it’s rampant.
My kids are long out of school but if they were school age, I would move Heaven and Earth to keep them out of a government school and put them into a private/Christian school. Or I would join a home schooling group and let Ph.D.s teach my kids biology, history or what ever the other parent was expert in. Make fun of home schooling all you want, but the SAT/ACT scores of home schoolers prove these parents are doing the best thing for their children.
@Tom:
Tom you are really out of touch. Have you not seen some of these welfare dependents when something they normally get is held up, even for a day? People will go into stores and steal food to feed their children if they don’t have money and their card has expired.
LOL, the US does not have Workfare, it’s called welfare and it has nothing to do when they are late with a payment, it’s more when the government is late.
This is known as ‘the race card’. What we are talking about has nothing to do with slavery before 1860. It’s state sponsored dependency since then that is killing people.
most socialists, but what we’re dealing with is mostly secular progressives, better known as communists.
@Tom:
Well, Tom, yes, I do.
So which category would you put yourself in? And why?
@Redteam:
The question has no relevance to anything I’ve written, unless you can point out where I brought up “social medical systems”. But I would name the United States of America, where socialized medicine has existed for some time, unless you’re unfamiliar with Medicare, Medicade and the VA Health System. So if you hate socialized medicine so much, should we shut down the VA and deny veterans health care? Since you want to deny benefits to others so badly, I wonder if you benefit from any government entitlements, or if you’re passing on principle. Yes, I really wonder if you’re one of those many people already on government health care who is against the ACA.
@Redteam:
Then go find one and ask him to fill us in, since all of a sudden your blabbermouth has run dry. Or simply answer the question. How did you know it was a fake immediately by looking at it? What exactly was it that led you to that conclusion?
@retire05: Just of interest, my oldest grandchild went to a private Christian school, in Mississippi. He now has a PhD. 98% of his class went to college the next year. The teachers did not belong to a union. The students were not compelled to do this common core crap. The school system for that county was almost doom for anyone with higher education desires. Almost unheard of. Many of the kids in the public schools are handed a ‘certificate of attendance’ at graduation, not a diploma. But hey, they ‘feel good’, they didn’t get ‘left out’ and guess what, someone ‘was keeping score’. Do you suppose they can get admitted to college with that Cert of Attendance? Nope.
@Redteam: and O5 You two old dinosaurs keep jawing and have a lovely evening. I’m going to the gym.
@Tom:
i.e., one you didn’t know the answer to. Most medical care in the US is not done on either of the 3 you mentioned but on private plans. So you can remove that obstacle from you wampum bag. Now here is the question the way a socialist would ask it:
So you think Medicare is an entitlement? You think VA is an entitlement? You think Medicaid is an entitlement? If you answer yes to any of those, you are a socialist. I get medicare, but I’m not ‘entitled’ to it, I bought and paid for it and am still buying and paying for it. I didn’t get it free just because I’m entitled. Veterans get VA assistance if they earn it while in the military. I served in the military, but don’t get VA because I didn’t earn any of it. I do recognize that if I have absolutely no other way to get medical coverage, I can be treated by the VA. Medicaid is for those that can’t afford other coverage, I don’t get that.
@Richard Wheeler: You’re not going to get a discount on medicare for that gym work
@Tom: .
Can I use you as my 15 year old? Have you seen it? What did I run dry on? How long did it take you to know for sure it was a fake?
Don’t give up, answer the question.
@Redteam:
So you are directly benefiting from a government run health care plan while pontificating against ‘social medical systems’. That, I have to say, is beyond rich.
@Tom:
So Redteam is receiving benefits from the taxes he paid all his working life, that the Democrats promptly spent instead of keeping the taxes separate, on the promise that the government would provide him with health care that more and more doctors are refusing to provide because they won’t accept Medicare patients for substandard wages and you think that’s rich?
When are you going to tell us what category you fall into, Tom? Socialist? Marxist? Liberal? Progressive?
Or is just other people’s money you want to redistribute?
@Tom: I didn’t say I was benefiting from it. But I said I bought it while I was working and am still buying it today because that is all the insurance you can get after you’re 65 years of age. But they are not ‘giving’ me any coverage, I pay about 6500 a year for that little plan. Very much more than they have paid out for me. so tell me again, who is ‘benefiting’? You really don’t have a clue, do you?
@retire05: Retire, as I told Tom, who won’t understand anyhow, that I am not ‘benefiting’ from the Medicare plan, the government is. In addition to paying into medicare since 1965 (or whenever it started) I still pay about $6500 a year for my medicare and the government has not spent ANYWHERE NEAR THAT on medical coverage for me, so just who is benefiting? Those secular progressives see what I am paying in as something the government is entitled to. Yea, they see it as an entitlement, but for the government. When I buy and pay for something, I am not ‘entitled’ to it, it belongs to me. Being entitled in that sense, to me, means it is something they owe me just because they are good guys and provide it to everyone just because the government is nice and they think I should have it, if I’m nice and keep paying their salaries.
@Greg:
It is programs like medicare, as well as the malpractice lottery system that have caused medical costs to skyrocket. The regulatory requirements of government trying to provide “free” medical care are the source of the high cost of medicine.
You don’t get that all the caterwauling about “the poor uninsured” that was the whole excuse for cramming obamacare down our throats for 30 million people has predictably led to over 7 million previously insured people having their insurance cancelled directly because of obamacare requirements that made those previously working insurance plans illegal – and that is just in the 6 weeks since the failed enrollment website was activated. The estimates from the government in 2010 were that at least another 40-50 million people will lose their employer-provided health insurance when the employer mandate kicks in.
Again – given the performance of these complete idiots with the rollout of the enrollment website, do you really want such absolutely incompetent fools making medical decisions for patients? When people who do not even have to pass a criminal background check are getting paid $20-48/hr to be ‘navigators’ for obamacare, while nurses who actually provide bedside care for sick patients are lucky to make $18-25/hr – you want the idiots who designed such a system of political cronyism to be making life and death decisions about the delivery of medical care?
@Pete: Pete, yes, Tom does.
@Redteam, #336:
All that the word entitlement implies is that a right to something exists. That right can be earned. It doesn’t automatically imply that a person is receiving something unjustly or undeservedly.
How many private sector pensions have been defaulted on by corporate America, after workers have earned entitlement to them by holding up their end of an agreement for decades? Broken pension promises have become routine. Pension obligations are often dumped onto the taxpayers, leaving corporations to reorganize and go their merry way with bonuses all around for their cleverness. Meanwhile, the unions that once looked out for American workers the middle class have been demonized and, so far as possible, eliminated. Real wages have stagnated or declined. Benefits and pensions have been squeezed out. That portion of the pie has been divided up, and you weren’t invited to the party. So, what’s next on the menu?
I think the word entitlement is deserving of a little more respect. The political right is being conditioned to think of it as a disparaging term. They should be wary of that—particularly when the talk shifts to Social Security and Medicare.
@Tom:
Tom – I have lectured to residents on what happened to the medical system under the Nazis in Germany. You can look all this up yourself, but the fact is clear that under the national socialists, the pediatricians in Germany took children who were deemed as defective away from the parents under the false pretense of providing them medical care, then killed them, cremated them, and sent the remains to the parents in boxes. This was argued in the most intellectual of medical circles as being ethical to prevent the squandering of national resources on the mentally retarded, those deemed as not worthy of living due to genetic defects and the like. In the Soviet Union, political dissidents/opponents of the regime were frequently diagnosed with mental illness and sent away to government run “psychiatric centers”.
So you can turn your nose up at all of us who express grave concern about the establishment of a national socialist medical system in the US all you want. There is historical precedent for incredible evil done in the name of socialist medicine. Google the Liverpool Pathway under the British NHS. Read any of the insanely evil writings of Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel on how the left intends on rationing medical care resources under their dream of a national socialist medical care system. Given the recent revelations of IRS malfeasance against conservative groups, there seems reason to be concerned about abuse of power under a socialist medical paradigm. Simply because your socialist tendencies are offended at the comparison of obamacare with previous iterations of socialist medical systems does not make concerns about the dangers of medical socialism any less valid.
@Greg:
“Entitlement” SHOULD be a disparaging term.
Welfare is not earned. Food stamps are not earned. EITC is not earned. These are all leftist wealth redistribution scams to buy the votes of the lazy, designed to make the recipient an addict for his government crack, to keep said individual dependent upon the leftist politician.
It is not charity when a thug steals from you, takes a cut off the top, then tosses pennies to others to persuade the recipients that the thug ‘cares about the poor’, while declaring the victim of the theft deserved to be robbed. That is the definition of all socialist policies. Socialism cloaks itself in the false garb of benevolent equality, when it is a vicious, insidious denigration of human nature, and the enslavement of the masses to the socialist oppressors.
@Pete, #357:
What do you not understand about what was said in #345, and why does what’s totally obvious fail to sink in? Have you been deprived of the powers of observation?
As for entitlement, look the word up in a dictionary. I am entitled to possess the home I live in because I worked and spent 30 years paying for it. If you want to argue that some entitlements do not actually exist, be specific.
@Tom:
The VA is for people who served in the military. It is not usually the first choice for ex-military to go to, because it operates in the best bureaucratic fashion at the speed of smell. The point you miss, however, is that the people who qualify to use it actually had to EARN that right by serving to protect the country so blowhards like you could live in a (formerly) free country that allows you to spew ridiculous leftist nonsense.
Medicare/Medicaid was a despicable leftwing program that jackasses came up with that is going bankrupt, that is the most inefficient insurance out there…well was until obamacare was spawned….that more and more physicians are refusing to accept because it doesn’t pay enough to cover the costs of treatment. Trying to justify the abject stupidity of obamacare by pointing to medicare/medicaid as an example of socialist success makes as much sense as applying peanut butter to the outside of your bread.
@Greg:
Are you really that deliberately obtuse, Greg? Or that lacking in cognitive skills?
No one is arguing that you are not entitled to a home that you have paid for over 30 years. After all, you PAID for it. That is the fact that makes the difference, which you seem not to understand. The leftist use of the word ‘entitlement’ to refer to the theft inherent in your Marxist wealth redistribution policies should be thoroughly discredited. No one EARNS food stamps, welfare checks, Obama phones, EITC or any other of the socialist government cheese giveaways. Those are paid for by money taken from other people who worked to EARN things…money that is taken by politicians buying the votes of the lazy and uneducated.
Just because you want to ignore the point…or are incapable of understanding the point…does not mean that I don’t understand your attempt at obfuscation.