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Twitter has been afire today with the controversy about Stephen Curry going to the White House and reactions to President Trump’s speech in Alabama.
During President Trump’s speech at a rally for Luther Strange (R-AL), he addressed the growing trend among NFL players to kneel disrespectfully during the national anthem. Trump asked, ““Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say ‘get that son of a b***h off the field right now – he’s fired’?”.
Most people hearing or reading this comment recognize that the president is referring to the disrespectful kneeling “protest” that involves football (and other sports) players deliberately taking a knee during the national anthem.
The Warriors’ Stephen Curry hesitated when asked about whether he would attend the White House celebration, and Trump responded by rescinding the invitation to Curry.
Going to the White House is considered a great honor for a championship team.Stephen Curry is hesitating,therefore invitation is withdrawn!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2017
U bum @StephenCurry30 already said he ain't going! So therefore ain't no invite. Going to White House was a great honor until you showed up!
— LeBron James (@KingJames) September 23, 2017
The left, as always, hears RAAACISM not patriotism in the president’s comments. They are subsequently completely unhinged in their response to their own fevered and deliberate misinterpretation of Trump’s comments.
Then-49er Colin Kaepernick who started this disturbing trend in response to the short-lived Black Lives Matter explained his rationale last year to NFL Media.
“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
The resulting controversy was explosive, and Kaepernick has had trouble finding a new team since leaving the 49ers.
Since then, more and more players have started kneeling for the anthem, including at least one white player.
The president’s comments, reflective of a lot of Americans’ thoughts on the issue, were received as racist apparently because the majority of NFL players who take a knee during the anthem are black or brown. Therefore, according to leftist logic, any criticism of these players’ actions is not about the players’ actions at all; it has to be—can only be—about their race.
The NFL issued the following statement:
New NFL statement pic.twitter.com/XHPgVvPPfH
— Brian McCarthy (@NFLprguy) September 23, 2017
Just so we are all clear: it is not disrespectful or divisive to take a knee during the national anthem, but it is disrespectful and divisive to speak out against it.
Trump isn't taking on NBA/NFL.
He's going after black athletes.More effective for the base.
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) September 23, 2017
Trump has now attacked Jemele Hill, Colin Kaepernick, & Stephen Curry. All have something in common but I can’t quite put my finger on it.
— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) September 23, 2017
People Trump has angrily attacked in the last few days:
1. Jemele Hill
2. Colin Kaepernick
3. Steph Curry
Notice a trend?
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) September 23, 2017
Ah yes, because Trump never attacks white people. Or something.
Trump has now attacked Jim Acosta, Mika Brzezinski, and Chris Cuomo. All have something in common, but that doesn't fit this narrative.
— Razor (@hale_razor) September 23, 2017
https://twitter.com/Chet_Cannon/status/911645285050458114
Washington Redskins’ linebacker Zach Brown makes a potentially arguable point, that football has nothing to do with the President.
Trump stay in ur place… football have nothing to do wit u smh
— Zach Brown (@ZachBrown_55) September 23, 2017
For the point to stand, however, it has to work both ways. Football is no place for political protests, either.
@Richard Wheeler:
So, now you just understand. While you did fight for the right to freely protest, that right does not extend to burning or spitting on the flag or not standing at attention while it (the symbol of your right) is being honored. That’s like telling your king that you demand he give you the right to vote but you don’t believe that the right to vote is his to give you. Look at it this way. You stand and honor the flag and ask that the flag help you to get the honor that you desire. You do not spit on the flag and demand it.
If you can’t understand the difference then you fully deserved that full refund of tuition that you received.
@Richard Wheeler:
symbollically, every time they take a knee, er, uh, you do understand the concept of symbolism, don’t you?
@Greg:
Hmmm, greggie, you may be telling us more than we wanted to know about your personal life.
Well, it’s good to see Snoop Dog come out and demand the NFL owners give Tebow a job. He said he fully supports his right to acknowledge God for giving him the strength and ability to play football. Wellllllll, he did, didn’t he?
@Richard Wheeler:
Nope, won’t miss a thing, it just won’t be there. So you think one of the Super bowl participants was decided Sunday?
@Redteam: symbolically??–correct spelling
Are you serious?
#105 Why are you always answering questions directed to other people? My grandfather would have branded you a buttinski–which you are.
Coach Pete Carroll calls on Trump to be empathetic–good luck with that Pete.
@Redteam, #102:
Much better than you do, apparently. People customarily kneel in prayer, to take the sacrament, or as a show of deference to a higher authority or power. It is not a disrespectful gesture.
Perhaps within the context of your own personal experiences it has some other meaning. Please feel free to enlighten us.
@Greg: That’s great–look forward to RT’S response.
@Greg: RT has been in this thread from the start if you dont like it tough.
@Richard Wheeler: Really me take your word for whats going on with the Packers after you lied about Rogers taking a knee!? pfft
@Greg:
uh, and to the flag? When does someone normally ‘kneel’ to the flag in deference?
@kitt: He posted an Instagram kneeling with fellow Packers prior to the game–RT might call it symbolic.
You in or out on Packers games?
@Richard Wheeler: Snoop Dogg said: Snoop Dogg is demanding that an NFL owner step up and hire Colin Kaepernick in the wake of the national anthem protests that returned in big numbers around the league this week.
:Can someone that understands that language (I assume it’s ‘da hood’ ) interpret a couple things for me. what is a ‘sorry a** mothaf**kin’quarterbacks”? And what is a “My n***a” I don’t recognize that as English, so it must be something someone recognizes. It’s strange that people that accept this as the ‘go to language’ for black folks are offended by ‘son of a bitch’.
Don’t you think that’s strange RW? Greg, does it have something to do with kneeling?
@Richard Wheeler:
he’s also a liberal.
No, it isn’t normal. That would be one way that you could respectfully register your opinion.
@Redteam: Tell me RT in all seriousness Do you and other Trumpists view empathy as a weakness?
Do you see anything wrong with kneeling as a sign of respect or deference?
I’m trying to understand Trumpists–find some good qualities other than pure “my way or the highway” only winners and losers mentality—help me out..
@Richard Wheeler:
I didn’t see where it said that question was only addressed to: Every comment is fair game.
If you’re not sure how to spell ‘symbolically’ why don’t you use spell checker.
@Redteam: It’s OK I corrected your #102 symbolically for you–You’re welcome–how bout my #115–thoughts?
@Richard Wheeler: He sent out a pic of a training session note the color of the jersey he is wearing. He is also on the field not on the sidelines during the anthem. They rest on one knee between practice plays and chat about options, and how to better run routes.
Rodgers is too smart to piss off any of his many sponsors with foolishness. It also caused a bit of a cliff hanger, will he or wont he, they actually had to instant replay the anthem as it was cut off by the Bears overtime.
This is police bashing, America bashing, why put up with it?
If you love your country if you enjoy the protection of your police why back this? I reject that any race in the US is oppressed. Anyone can in this country thrive with real effort and hard work.
The players need only to look in the mirror to prove this to themselves.
Fox is no longer the voice of the conservative, not since the kids took over.
@Richard Wheeler:
Tell me RW in all seriousness, has someone ‘suggested’ it is a weakness?
I damn sure do. The correct respect for the US flag is to stand at attention, put your hand over your heart, or salute, face the flag. Remember Obozo kneeling to the king of Saudi Arabia? see anything wrong with that? I see nothing wrong with kneeling to God or Christ.
Really? you’re struggling with this? When you were shooting at the NVNamese, did you pause to ask yourself what some of their ‘good qualities’ were? Did you offer them the option of you doing it their way, or they do it your way? The old ‘my way or hiway’ bit. Did you struggle to understand their way? Somehow, I think the options were fairly clear. I don’t really think you’re struggling with whether you condone people being disrespectful to the US Flag, I think your problem is how do you take the correct position and lose your status as idol of the left. You know, I know, the NFL knows, the whole world knows that you don’t kneel to the flag. If you stand for anything at all, you stand for the US flag. You should appreciate this. Bill O’Reilly just said that the US soldiers in Afghanistan look forward to watching NFL games in their leisure time. His question, how much do you think it hurt those guys to have to watch the NFL players take a knee for the US flag and Stand at attention for the British flag, on foreign soil. Somehow, I’m sure you understand the symbolism of this, though I don’t think you are man enough to admit it.
@Greg: you mean kinda like kneeling to the King of Saudi Arabia
If you STAND for nothing, you’ll fall for anything.
@Redteam: What the hell has the NVA got to do with this. We are all Americans and should help the weakest among us
Kennedy said A free society that does not help the many who are poor cannot protect the few who are rich.
I served my country and both my feet damn well hurt in V.N. I do not respect Trump–have always thought him a classless bore– but I do respect the office and our country. I bristle when I hear Trump say there are good among the white supemicists–how can that be?
A real man doesn’t need to show he’s better than others–always a winner. He knows himself and his strengths–he doesn’t brag–he helps the less fortunate willingly. He has NO room for bigotry racism or homophobia–all are created equal.
No where in our constitution does it say one must stand for the flag to be a patriot–people wear the flag as bandanas, make them into shirts or bathing suits or backpacks—-the key is actual service to country and our fellow man. Not standing and saluting some symbol Not nearly good enough.
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@Richard Wheeler:
Well gee, wasn’t you saying something about empathy?
yet you have undying love and devotion to a felony draft dodger and certified rapist.
how about black supremacists? (Note: I corrected the spelling of supremacists in my quote of your question, you’re welcome)How about Antifas? Where did white supremacists come from, we didn’t have any about a year ago, someone just created them since Trump got in office. It was ‘white privilege’ til then. Did you see the video of Lebron trying to put a sentence together saying that ‘uneducated’ people voted for Trump. So he was admitting he voted for Trump? I’m pretty sure he only got a certificate of attendance, for kindergarten. He doesn’t seem to have picked up any education.
that’s certainly not the leftie position. You just pick that up today?
Do you consider only the things that actually appear in the Constitution to be the law of the land, or a guiding principle of the land? Slaves are allowed in the Constitution, as originally written, does that make it ok?
If by ‘service to country’ you mean military, that would be about 1% of the population. How about the opposite? is not standing and not saluting the flag good enough? In fact, is deliberately doing something that denigrates the flag, good enough? I’m not sure that I believe that all citizens should serve in the military. I think ‘most’ men should, but I would never (I don’t think) ‘require’ them to do so. I think that someone that volunteers because they want to serve is the best situation.
I’m not sure you believe that. I don’t think you have ever attempted to give Trump any benefit of the doubt, while you literally kiss Clinton’s ass. Trump is not known to have raped anyone. Trump is not a pardoned felony draft dodger. But Clinton is a Dimocrat and that is the material fact that swings it for you.
@Redteam: Why do you keep talking about Bill Clinton–long gone–I never mention him or Bush–ever.
Lets deal with The Donald–till he’s gone. Plenty to talk about.
No white supremacists till Trump—That should tell you something.
@Richard Wheeler:
bwahahaha.
They just sprung up fully grown complete with patio accessories.
I got one better Rich, there were no Trannies til Obama wrote the Obamacare to make them. Or was it some weird Military experiment?
@Richard Wheeler:
OMG, Richard Wheeler has finally crossed the mental Rubicon.
Kitt and O5 So you know it was RT who made the no W.S. until DT–IN #123–You should really spend more time reading your fellow Trumpist’s posts. Understand it often takes awhile.
Of course there were W.S before DT—His Presidency has emboldened them–given them cover to rear their ugly heads.. After all it was DT who said there were many good among them.
Kitt Back to you—in or out on The Pack this season? What are your personal boycott goals?
@Richard Wheeler:
Pretty simple. That’s not what he said, that’s what you wanted to hear and what the leftist media told you he said. See your problem?
It wouldn’t be patriotic if you were forced to do it, like it’s not a “protest” if the coaches force players, against their will and morals, to “show unity” with ignorance.
Because Clinton has context, Bush does not. You rail about your accusation that Trump dodged military service and hate him for it, yet you support the Clinton’s though Bill openly avoided military service AND wrote he loathed the military. This demonstrates your open hypocrisy and proves you do not hold military service as a standard, but liberalism is all that is required to gain your acceptance. Like racism, it is merely a political weapon, which denigrates the issue.
See the first point above and understand the source of your ignorance. HOW has his Presidency emboldened white supremacists? He had denounced them each and every time the subject arises. In fact, it was the racist left that has emboldened the white supremacists and make them relevant again. The racist left proves all the arguments of the white supremacists when, before, the ongoing racial harmony was proving the white supremacists to be exactly what they are; ignorant, bigoted racists. Nice contribution.
@Deplorable Me: “nice contribution” Thanks
David Duke to RT “Thank you for your honesty and courage to tell the truth.”
@Richard Wheeler: I preferred when white supremacists were relegated to their appoint back waters. Sorry to see you are proud of revitalizing them.
@Richard Wheeler: David Duke is like the real ugly guy that had a crush on you in school and followed you everywhere, best ignored til he crushes on another.
Packers are my team, NFL gear and sponsors are out of my wallet.
I think the foolish antics will be ended. We are not allowing them to drive the narrative on this. As you see you couldnt sway anyones opinion that this was just some AntiAmerican/Antipolice crap.
RT may be trying to figure out why whites that voted for Trump all suddenly had a label and shoved in a box.
Hey if we are all so mezmerized by Trump and all do his bidding why didnt Trumps guy win in Alabama?
@kitt: Trump is OK with gay rights-his guy was and-this guy isn’t and it’s Alabama–DT went with a guy he knew he could control vs one he wasn’t sure about—obviously DT doesn’t have as much control over Repubs in Congress as he would like.
I never expect to sway anyone’s opinions at FA—just post mine and read others–do miss Wordsmith and Aye Chi. I never said it was “just some anti-American anti police crap.”
All politics are local.
Bill Pretty obvious DT’S election has revitalized these backwoods whites—He’s gotta come down strong on them as often as necessary just as you and I will..
@Richard Wheeler:
How Cosmopolitan, is it a habit to look down your nose at non metro inhabitants? Do you really think of all country living citizens as uncouth hillbillys. You need to get around your own country a little more. Or perhaps just turn off the metro boob tube and walk your own city streets to see if all big city dwellers are civilized and polite.
Just keep sucking up limo politics.
@Richard Wheeler:
Is that why a liberal activist organized the Charlottesville rally? Because Trump wanted it?
Here’s how it has worked, Rich. White supremacists and the KKK had all but vanished from the public scene. Then, Michael Brown tried to kill a Ferguson cop and gets his own dumb ass plunked. The racist left rallies around the lie of “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” and destroys a community. Then, every time a black thug meets his maker at the hands of a cop, the scene is repeated, always accusing racism being the driving force.
The then President of the United States, a black man, joins in and supports the violence and even fails to call out and condemn the numerous and ongoing calls for cops to be assassinated… which proceeds cops being assassinated.
The view of the white supremacist, in part, is that blacks are violent, criminal and want to wipe out the “white race”. So, along comes Black Lives Matter reinforcing that very point with a President egging them on and congratulating them. This gives aid and comfort to the enemy of civilized harmony. It can be argued that these criminals are only a small portion of the populace and black community, but with the media and all of the left supporting and making weak excuses for their excesses, these arguments become difficult to drive home.
Yes, sure, blame it on Trump. However, the reality is quite different and you and those like you have made it possible; quite likely by intent.
@kitt: SEE#130 backwaters–backwoods I was agreeing with Bill—everyone is so sensitive. lol Take note DT
I look down on white supremacists/KKK no matter the hole they come out of–rural or urban—don’t you?
“Fox no longer the voice of the Conservative.”
What the hell is left TRUMP NEWS?
@Deplorable Me: Did you miss RT defending Trump? Check #132, all be it his Progressive bigot side shone out they dont see it in themselves so mind controlled and self assured that they stand on higher moral ground.
@Richard Wheeler:
He’s in the news every week. But maybe you can’t see him from being on your knees.
@kitt: What??
Is all be it the same as albeit??
Bill That’s quite a tale you weave in #134 especially if you believe it.
You’re talking about Kessler not Spencer–is that right?
@Richard Wheeler:
I have no idea what a ‘white supremacist’ is. Could you define it for us? Are they a branch of black supremacists? The only racists I ever see are dark colored people on tv. I never see any anywhere near where I live and I live next door to a black family.
@Redteam: don’t you sometimes pray.
Many people in the news every week—doesn’t mean we gotta talk about them.
What’s your take on the Alabama results?
W.S.—form of racism which believes and promotes that white people are superior to people of other racial backgrounds and therefore whites should politically, socially and economically rule non whites. Thoughts?
@Richard Wheeler: I cant tell you where to get your news except get off google and far away from cable. Try Duck Duck go.com as a search and read multiple sources then your own judgement.
@kitt:
LOL kitt, I thought you were going to say, “til Michelle” You gotta admit, Mooche was one of the first.
@Richard Wheeler:
Since you were talking so much about WS, I just asked you why they just popped up as an issue since Trump became prez. Never heard of them before, just conclude they must be a branch of the Black Supremacist organization. You know no group can be name ‘white’ anything. No White Miss America, No white NAAWP, No White Caucus, So if there are white supremacists, they have to be a branch of a black organization. Right?
@Richard Wheeler:
So now you’re following David Duke? I don’t have his contact info, but then I don’t need it as you seem to. I am kinda surprised you’re in touch with him, though you do follow that MFA guy. Same deal, I guess.
@Redteam: So you think White Supremacists are a branch of a Black organization.
Another of your extremely insightful and intelligent observations RT.
@kitt: I think you meant RW.
@Redteam: Exactly–why would you defend DT?
Lotta fun—gotta get away lol
@Redteam: #142 Thats the rumor, what happened to Joan Rivers is tied into that if we want to go conspiracy. yes meant dearest Richard defending DT
@Richard Wheeler: 132
Yeah, especially since about the last time he wrote anything it was to tell you you were wrong. I’m sure you’re ‘missing’ him (probably deliberately) since then.
RW, what is a ‘backwoods white’? Is there such a thing as backwoods blacks, or frontwoods whites? I guess you’re white, are you ‘backwoods’ or ‘frontwoods’ or is there another classification. Is there a front or back woods in Gayfornia? Is that where the huge big tall trees are? Does Snoop Dog, with his ‘Gi ma ‘nigga’ a job’ fit in the back or front woods?
Clinton is a ‘pardoned felony draft dodger’ that fact will never change nor go away. I can’t help that you admire him. That is your problem.
@Richard Wheeler:
How about black supremacist and Antifas? What about the hole they come out of? And it’s the American flag they are trampling on.