Yesterday was a great day. Flynn has been freed. The DOJ has dropped the Flynn prosecution.
The Justice Department on Thursday moved to drop its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in a stunning development that comes after internal memos were released raising serious questions about the nature of the investigation that led to Flynn’s late 2017 guilty plea of lying to the FBI.
The announcement came in a court filing “after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information,” as the department put it. DOJ officials said they concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”
Flynn was set up. Two years ago I said Flynn was caught in a perjury trap.
Trust us, the FBI said to Flynn. You don’t need a lawyer.
You might also remember that obama fired Michael Flynn. Here’s why- almost five years ago I wrote this:
Obama is cooking the intelligence about ISIS- and why
Obama had been warned three times about ISIS, including a warning from Lt. Gen Michael Flynn:
On Feb. 11, 2014, the Pentagon’s top intelligence official, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, warned the group would likely attempt to take over even more territory.
“ISIL probably will attempt to take territory in Iraq and Syria to exhibit its strength in 2014, as demonstrated recently in Ramadi and Fallujah, and the group’s ability to concurrently maintain multiple safe havens in Syria,” Flynn told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Michael Flynn was the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency from 2012-2014, and was appointed by Obama. Flynn has been very critical of Obama’s disastrous Middle East policies. Flynn asserts that arming and funding ISIS was a “willful decision”:
And I wrote this
PS: Gen. Flynn has called for Hillary Clinton to be stripped of her security clearance. It’s likely only a matter of time before Flynn is visited by the IRS or is suddenly embroiled in some curious affair.
Now superimpose that on obama warning Trump about Flynn
“Stay away from Michael Flynn”
Trump was going to hire Flynn, so the FBI set a perjury trap for Flynn.
And obama knew.
President Obama was aware of the details of then-incoming national security adviser Michael Flynn’s intercepted December 2016 phone calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, apparently surprising then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, according to documents released Thursday as exhibits to the government’s motion to dismiss the Flynn case.
Obama’s unexpectedly intimate knowledge of the details of Flynn’s calls, which the FBI acknowledged at the time were not criminal or even improper, raised eyebrows because of his own history with Flynn — and because top FBI officials secretly discussed whether their goal was to “get [Flynn] fired” when they interviewed him in the White House on January 24, 2017
obama wanted Flynn crippled so he could not disclose what he knew of obama’s deceits. Flynn knew where the bodies were buried. He had to be set up. Now there is no question that the Jan.5 2017 meeting was about how to frame Flynn.
At that point, the documents showed, “Yates had no idea what the president was talking about, but figured it out based on the conversation. Yates recalled Comey mentioning the Logan Act, but can’t recall if he specified there was an ‘investigation.’ Comey did not talk about prosecution in the meeting.”
The exhibit continues: “It was not clear to Yates from where the President first received the information. Yates did not recall Comey’s response to the President’s question about how to treat Flynn. She was so surprised by the information she was hearing that she was having a hard time processing it and listening to the conversation at the same time.”
How they went about it is well, criminal.
- FBI policy requires 302 forms to be submitted within five working days of an interview. The FBI took three weeks to deliberate on and compose Flynn’s 302 form, and it was mislabeled a “DRAFT DOCUMENT,” requiring a resubmission of the form three months later.
- Other messages reveal that Page, who did not attend the interview, reviewed the 302 form and made editing suggestions. On February 14, Page texts Strzok, “Is Andy good with the 302?” – presumably referring to FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. The next day, February 15, the Flynn 302 was officially submitted and filed with the FBI.
- FBI supervisors, however, are not supposed to rewrite other agents’ 302 forms. Nor are 302 forms supposed to be edited by FBI personnel who were not present at the interview, and both of these things happened in the Flynn case.
- Both former agents also expressed concern that Page, who was not present at the interview, was editing the 302 form against FBI protocol. “For [Strzok] to send that 302 to Lisa Page, a non-badge wearing, non-credential-having FBI agent, is unconscionable,” says Galiano.
- Even after the Flynn 302 was collectively written during the weeks-long delay in submission, the original wasn’t initially used in the case. Instead, Baker said, Mueller’s team submitted their own interview with Strzok “about his recollection of the interview with Flynn five or six months ago. Now that’s just bizarre.”
- On May 4, Republican Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Mike Johnson of Louisiana sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray demanding, among other things, that he make Pientka available for a transcribed interview regarding Flynn.
You may also remember James Clapper directing his toy David Ignatius of the Washington Post to “take the kill shot” on Flynn. The execrable James “Slimy” Comey bragged about he was able to set Flynn up. There was absolutely NO REASON to send agents to interrogate Flynn. The Flynn-Kislyak transcript was in hand. The only reason to send them was to By threatening to ruin Flynn’s son Mueller’s rabid and mendacious team coerced Flynn into pleading guilty to something that wasn’t a crime.
Who framed Michael Flynn? We now have that answer. All the pieces of the puzzle are in place and it begins with obama.
So now if I’m Trump I appoint a task force to investigate the abuse of power by the FBI, the CIA and Adam Schiff.
With Michael Flynn in charge.
The party is just beginning.
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The prosecution dropped the charges, so:
TOTAL EXONERATION!!!!!!!
NOBODY framed Flynn. Flynn crossed lines, unwisely lied to the FBI about having done so, confessed that he had done so under oath, and then asserted that his sworn confession submitted to a federal judge in a federal courtroom was the lie.
That’s what happened. That’s the bottom line.
@Greg:
He committed no crime. He was entirely within his job description to talk to Kislyak.
There was no need for the FBI to interview Flynn about his conversation as they had the transcript in hand.
Comey knew what he was doing was BS.
It was a classic perjury trap
@Greg:
Were I a prosecutor and threatened to destroy your family after bankrupting you unless you copped a plea you’d do it too.
@DrJohn, #3:
At that point Flynn had no official authority. Trump had not yet been sworn in. There was no Trump administration.
A perjury trap is nothing more than an opportunity for a person to either lie or to tell the truth. The danger lies in having something that you have a strong motivation to keep hidden. If witnesses could lie at will when questioned without any fear of consequences, that would pretty much be the end of the rule of law. Every question asked where a crime is involved could be characterized as a perjury trap.
@DrJohn, #4:
Flynn’s son was actively involved with Flynn Intel Group, Inc, which had undisclosed contracts and income related to services provided to Russia and Turkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg Apparently Gen. Flynn thought he was talking to fellow Americans who served in the same government and country as he did. He was wrong; he was talking to a couple of Obama maggots.
Our justice system protects people from being set up like this even when they are known to absolutely have committed crimes. Obama raped the system and left it to die.
@Greg:
He had as much authority as the “Office of the President Elect” of Obama had. He had as much authority as Kerry did when he went to Iran and told them not to pay any attention to Trump.
Perjury is not even a crime. Hillary proved that when she lied to Congress on video about not having classified information on her private, secret, unsecured server. Brennan proved perjury is not a crime when he lied about Trump dealing with Russia. Clapper proved perjury is not a crime when he said he didn’t know anything about the NSA capturing data on US citizens.
Gen. Flynn committed NO crimes. Obama committed the crimes.
@Greg:
And is illegal.
Care to talk about Hunter Biden? No? Didn’t think so.
@Greg:
Transition teams are free to make contacts. As noted, Kerry conducts his own foreign policy all the time.
You might remember this
FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit
And they interviewed Flynn and Strzok and Pientka cleared him- until Strzok held the investigation open so Page could rewrite the 302 and create guilt in Flynn.
As they had the transcript there was NO predicate to interview Flynn and bypass all protocols involving incoming White House staff and personnel other than to entrap him. And they when Page rewrote the 302 it becomes a major problem.
@Greg:
So what?
@Greg:
No, it’s illegal and cases get thrown out when it’s revealed.
The prosecution dropped the charges, so:
TOTAL EXONERATION!!!!!!!
You got nothing. NOTHING.
@Nathan Blue, #10:
There’s nothing remotely unlawful about catching a person in a lie. In fact, the calculated effort to do so is a very common investigatory and prosecutorial strategy. It is not considered by state or federal law to be a form of entrapment, which is something entirely different. Entrapment involves an authority inducing a person to commit a criminal act.
No US federal court has ever accepted a motion to dismiss a case because of a claimed perjury trap.
@Greg:
The unlawful part is setting Gen. Flynn up to catch him in a lie when he has done nothing to be investigated for; just persecuting him because it serves a Democrat political purpose.
THAT is illegal. And un-American.
@DrJohn, #9:
What is that Flynn Intel Group, Inc failed to disclose it was acting as an agent of two foreign powers, whose interests and objectives were not exactly in alignment with those of the United States. One of their contractual agreements was to facilitate the extradition of a lawful U.S. resident to Turkey, where it could be reasonably expected that he would be subject to official political persecution. One of the possible means discussed to accomplish that was by way of kidnapping and unlawful removal. That looks a lot like criminal conspiracy.
They weren’t just making things up here. Flynn crossed lines. Whether he did so unwittingly or with forethought might be open to debate, but he was clear enough about there being a problem to try to cover it up. He obviously concluded there might be grounds for prosecution. His legal counsel thought the same.
@Deplorable Me, #12:
There most definitely was something to investigate concerning Michael Flynn. That this was all some sort of groundless investigation fabricated to get Trump is pure, unadulterated horse manure.
Serious concerns about secret Russian interaction with the Trump campaign were entirely legitimate. It has been fully documented that interaction between Russian principals and highly placed persons within the Trump campaign actually took place, and on multiple occasions. It has also been fully documented that some of those same people lied about the purpose of those secret meetings.
Further, it has been well-documented that the Russians did in fact conduct a clandestine targeted campaign in an effort to manipulate public opinion and influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, and that this was apparently done to damage the Democratic Party candidate to the advantage of Donald Trump. This actually happened. Our own intelligence community reached those conclusions, and a republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee investigation recently came to those same conclusions.
@Greg:
Greg, the Democrats’ run of uninterrupted crime is over, and all the mealy mouthed words in the world don’t matter anymore.
FU, this is War.
@Greg:
If, as you say, General Flynn violated laws in that area, why was he not charged with those violations? Ummm, Comrade Greggie.
Documented by whom? Provide the documenter’s testimony transcripts. Who, in the Trump campaign meet with “Russian principals” in an ILLEGAL manner? Name them.
Oh, that’s right; this whole mess started with the DNCs claim that Russia hacked its servers. Except the president of CrowdStrike said they had NO hard and fast evidence that the Russians did, in fact, hack the DNCs servers and only had circumstantial evidence and absolutes NO evident the contents of the servers had ever been exported.
The Senate Committee went by what the FBI said, and the FBI said, unequivocally that the DNC refused to allow the FBI access to the DNC servers and only provided the CrowdStrike opinions to the FBI.
I see you have been over to the Lawfare website again. You are absolutely the most gullible human being I have ever had the displeasure of being exposed to.
You remain a useful idiot, Comrade Greggie. What a shame that even as an adult, you remain nothing more than a clown, and pond scum.
@Meremortal, #15:
Have you not been paying attention? It’s not the Democrats who are running this fluster cluck. Trump is the ringmaster of this particular circus, proclaimed to be above the law and demonstrated to be immune to congressional oversight and restraint. The Democrats have been able to do little more than criticize and attempt to resist. All efforts to rein in or hold accountable have been run down by his appointees and tools in Congress. This show is all Trump. The consequences will result from his actions and inactions, though he will try to lay blame for them on someone else’s doorstep. China, Obama, Democrats, state governors, republican traitors, immigrants, the media, etc. It will all be someone else’s fault, always.
@Greg:
Have you not been paying attention? It was the Democrats, and the Obama administration, that started this “fluster cluck”, not Trump, not Barr. THE DEMOCRATS.
Your team is losing, Comrade Greggie. But I’m sure, like your idol, Baghdad Bob, you will continue to deny the good guys are now in charge.
What caused you to abandon all personal shame, as you have none?
@Greg:
There WAS? Then, pray tell, why did the FBI determine there wasn’t and get ready to close the case before Strzok came up with the idea to ambush him? We’ll wait.
@Greg:
That’s called winning the election. Your Party should try it sometime. Seems all they have left is allowing the worse President in history, Barack Obama, to embarrass himself as we find he installed loyalist fascists in an attempt of a soft coup.
@retire05:
retire05 your choice of words is insufficient to describe the situation. It should read “Your gang has lost Comrade greggie”!
The only thing now is President Trump going to let these criminals off with just a spanking in the media or will they get prison time.
@Deplorable Me, #19:
That’s only the the way the tale is being told in the right’s horse-manure parody of a credible media.
Here’s a relevant passage from an internal in internal FBI communication regarding the closure of the Flynn investigation. You’ll find it in Case 1:17-cr-00232-EGS Document 189-1 Filed 04/30/20 Page 5 of 12 to 6 of 12; Closing Communication dated 01/04/17:
Low and behold, it turned out that Michael Flynn’s consulting company, Flynn Intel Group, Inc, WAS acting as the contracted agent of not one, but two foreign powers—Turkey, and the Russian Federation—a fact which was not known at the time because he failed to register as the agent of a foreign power as is required by law.
There certainly was something significant that had not been looked into. Something that put Flynn’s relationship with the governments of the two foreign powers into an entirely different context—including the five telephone conversations Flynn had with the Russian ambassador, and the sanctions imposed on the Russian Federation following the disclosure of their election meddling that he lied to the FBI about.
Flynn was caught in that lie and confessed to it under oath, promising to cooperate with further investigation of the Trump campaign’s involvement with Russia to avoid additional charges.
The only reason this is now “going away” is because William Barr took the unprecedented step of making it go away, saving Trump the inconvenience of issuing a pardon in return for Flynn clamming up.
Nothing was fabricated. An innocent man was not caught in a perjury trap. He lied about a criminal act. He then made a bad-faith deal to become an honest witness, but welshed on that deal, most likely after being assured that his silence would be rewarded.
Will Roger Stone be rewarded in similar fashion? He’s already been sentenced, so clemency or a pardon is in the offing. That will have to be played more carefully owing to the election, and the fact that Stone is nobody’s idea of a Patriotic American Hero. Meanwhile, Trump, his appointed tools, and his propaganda outlets will set about the official persecution of Trump’s enemies. We’ve already seen how that works. He considers retribution to be one of his powers of office.
That pretty much sums up their thoughts about Truth as an objective historical reality—and about news as an objective report of current events. Truth, in their view, will be whatever they say it is.
@Greg:
Wow!!! As our self-proclaimed legal eagle, you really are badly informed. “Unprecedented” step? Yeah, I know, that’s what the Commu-Crats at Lawfare claimed. Obviously, they forgot about the whole Ted Stevens case, among others.
Nothing was fabricated. An innocent man was not caught in a perjury trap. He lied about a criminal act. He then made a bad-faith deal to become an honest witness, but welshed on that deal, most likely after being assured that his silence would be rewarded.
He lied about a criminal act? And what act would that be, Comrade Greggie? You still seem to be under the impression that entrapment is legal. It is not.
I highly recommend you stop relying on the Commu-Crats over a the Lawfare blog. They are misleading you to a false narrative.
But then, you are a useful idiot, Comrade Greggie.
@Greg:
Oh, I see, once again, you added to your original post. Funny, that!
Yes, we did, Comrade Greggie. In plain sight when Obama’s wingman, Eric Holder, perjured himself during a Congressional hearing and became the first Attorney General in American history to be censured. We saw it when Obama had the IRS go after conservative organizations, when Comey violated protocol and sent in two hit men to interview General Flynn, when Obama refused to provide information on Benghazi. We have all seen it before.
One thing anyone reading your posts should know; as you blame Trump for certain things, you highlight the exact tactics used by Obama.
@Greg:
Um…. no. That’s from FBI memos. You know… REAL stuff, not the piles of Schiff you like to consume.
Lo and behold, this was NOT what the FBI was looking into, nor was it what he was charged with, nor was it ever investigated.
When someone is actually guilty of a crime, the FBI doesn’t have to lie about an interview to try and manipulate memories to resemble a lie. You have actual evidence and you use it.
@Greg: The prosecution dropped the charges. All you say is opinion and conjecture.
The facts show he was entrapped and exonerated.
Unlike Holder, Barr is doing his job, not using his position to excuse and hide actual crimes.
@retire05:
It wasn’t entrapment. As was previously pointed out, neither federal nor state law recognizes the common investigative and prosecutorial tactic of catching the subject of an investigation in a lie as entrapment. Entrapment involves the inducement to commit a criminal act that would not have occurred without it.
Acting as the paid agent of a foreign power without disclosing that fact as required by federal law is a crime. It might be getting close to being something worse, once you’ve become a president’s national security advisor. Prior to having that official capacity, intervening in U.S. foreign policy without official authorization is a violation Logan Act, whether or not there’s possible remuneration from the foreign power involved. Lying about what you’ve discussed when you’re questioned about the matter by the FBI is also unlawful.
This question has been answered more than once already. If you think you’re going to forget again, try writing it down.
They were looking into all indications of possible interaction between the Trump campaign organization and official and unofficial agents of the Russian Federation. There were a number of worrisome red flags that had already caught their attention, even before knowing Flynn had been a paid consultant under contact to Russia and Turkey. Given Flynn’s place in the Trump organization, multiple secret meetings between Trump organization representatives and Russian’s connected with the Putin government, Trump’s own public comments, Russian hacking, and an ambitious Russian election meddling operation, they would have to be a bunch of damn idiots NOT to have been looking closely at Flynn. Ignoring him would have been dereliction of duty.
Mueller may not have had sufficient evidence to establish coordinated efforts between Russia and the Trump organization, but it’s also true that he was never allowed to question Trump directly. Trump only answered questions in writing as his counsel saw fit. There was certainly a lot of compelling evidence of obstruction, but Mueller had no choice but to leave the remedy to Congress—where even more obstruction occurred.
You don’t like that, but it’s the truth. Barr is doing Trump’s bidding. Again. Dropping a case after there’s already been a confession and guilty plea is unprecedented. Barr has turned the DoJ into Donald Trump’s political tool it’s credibility has been seriously damaged in the process, but that’s fine with the likes of Donald Trump. He’ll happily tear down anyone or anything that gets in his way or doesn’t reflect favorably upon him.
@Greg:
What a pile of crap!
1. Turkey is a NATO member and ally.
2. Where is it documented he was paid by Russia, not the pittance he was paid by RT tv for an interview, for gawds sake kiddo, get a grip that is not being a consultant: NOUN
a person who provides expert advice professionally.
RT while Sponsored by Russia is simply a propaganda arm of Russia, and Flynn certainly wasn’t advising them how to better run their propaganda.
Again the linked article is aimed at the lowest form of intelligence.
Barry was pissed at Flynn for being vocal about his policies in the ME, which sucked. Joining with Trump and then Trump actually beating the Heir to the oval office and Flynn having great intelligence experience meant he had to go because of the on going coup.
The Logan act premise was weak really weak, the Russian angle they knew was bogus in the extreme. Every angle they took was illegal, Questioning Flynn without advising him of him his rights, advising him an attorney wasnt needed, not closing the case properly when both agents noted at the time he was not lying.
Then his attorneys working with the prosecution, this frame up smells like your 2 week worn jungle socks.
Flynn dined with Putin, so the F what So did many American elite NBC should be ashamed of being so grossly obvious trying to cover their tail feathers for all the reliable unnamed sources they reported hook lie and stinker never looking any further or vetting any anti Trump garbage they were fed at drunken cocktail parties..
@Greg:
You can quote Lawfare blog until hell freezes over but that doesn’t make them right.
So answer this, Comrade Greggie; where is the original 302? Why did Strozk edit the second 302? Why was Page helping edit the second 302 when she was not at the interview with Flynn and had no authority to be involved with any 302 writing?
The FBI closed the investigation into Flynn out on January 4th. Are you saying the FBI, under Comey, was too damn stupid to find a crime that had been committed?
And who wrote that little piece of false accusations? Why none other than:
Mikhail Klimentyev / Sputnik, Kremlin Pool; A RUSSIAN.
F-off, you Communist bastard. The charges against Flynn have been dropped by the DOJ; the DOJ is breathing down the necks Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Strozk, Page and McCabe and all roads lead to the Obama occupied Oval Office.
@retire05, #29:
It’s a fact, you stupid, insulting cow. “Communist bastard?” Look it up for yourself, you McCarthy-era throwback.
No case has ever been dismissed in a U.S. federal court owing to the assertion that a perjury trap was involved.
No, that’s what you’re saying. I said nothing of the sort. As the linked excerpt from the internal FBI communication in Post #22 demonstrates, closure of the case was being done because Flynn had not been named as an agent of a foreign power. In fact, he was such an agent. That had not been disclosed, as required by law. The last sentence stated that reopening would be considered in light of new information. The revelation that he was a contracted agent of Turkey and Russia certainly fit that requirement.
It’s not a false accusation. It’s a photograph. The rest, about Flynn’s consulting company being contracted by Turkey and the Russian Federation without having disclosed that relationship as required by law, is documented fact. That his telephone conversations with the Russian ambassador included discussion about how they should respond to U.S. sanctions was affirmed by himself, under oath.
Seriously, write it down. I can tell you’re going to pretend you were never answered again. Trump is a liar and a crook. The charges were dropped—because Barr is Trump’s boy in the DoJ. He had to shop around to find just the right tool. Barr:
What? I’m suppose to think that illogical jumble makes sense? What does the first part of the first sentence have to do with the second part of the first sentence? Apparently the word “So” is then supposed to make us think that what follows is a logical conclusion. Please try again, Mr. Barr. Surely you can do better.
@Greg: You moron Mc Carthy was right. The intellectual theft Barry and his shadow government allowed is …zuo, is that how you commies put it?
Flynn was doing his job there was nothing illegal in what he did not one thing.
Everything Barry touched he screwed up and all the kings horses asses and all his dirty cop men cant put it back together again.
I hope they all end up in a leathal injection bed.
@kitt: It would be easier to just let greggie have his commie dreams instead of trying to change his mind or have admit we are all right about the Flynn case. Remember, “you can take an ass to water, but you can not make him drink” even when that ass is dying of thirst. This is likely just another example of greggies LSD episodes rearing up. If you look closely, you can also recognize that greggie has slipped into one of his alternate personalities. Wait a while and another greggie will appear.
And that is exactly what they did. The FBI had already determined they could find nothing to use against Gen. Flynn, so they decided to ask him questions and bounce his answers against the transcripts they already had; any variation between what he remembered and what the transcript said would be a LIE. Even the agents didn’t think Gen. Flynn was lying; it had to be twisted into a lie to try and pressure him to support Mueller’s lies against Trump.
Is it? Is THAT why the Podesta brothers are sitting in a dank, dark cell today? Oh, wait…. they AREN’T. Because THEY got the benefit of being allowed to register retroactively AFTER the fact. Shove it up your ass, Greg. You nor any other Democrat give one shit about the law or justice.
That they knew from the beginning was BS.
He found NOTHING because there was NOTHING. Every bit of the “evidence” he had was bought and paid for by Hillary. Also, take another look at the testimony of those sorry sacks of shit that went on all the “news” shows and called Trump a liar, traitor and Russian agent. They ALL said under oath there was no evidence of Trump or any of his associates working with Russia. Which brings us to the goddamn liar Schiff and his “mountain” of evidence he said he had.
Oh, and Gen. Flynn was one of those associates. No one ever believed any of them had anything to do with Russia. It was nothing but fodder for a coup.
@retire05:
Well, that’s easy…. because they had so much evidence clearly proving Gen. Flynn committed crimes! That’s why law enforcement always lies and creates evidence against suspects… because they have so much solid proof! Duh!
@Randy: It is entertaining to see what weak bullshit Greg will roll out next.
@Greg:
Gee, Comrade Greggie. Was it something I said to you, Communist bastard?
@retire05: greggie is off his meds today. I believe he is scheduled for rehab soon!
@Greg: Where is the evidence that Flynn lied?
Was the FBI lying when it testified to congress that Flynn didn’t lie?
Or was the FBI lying when it charged Flynn with lying?
Can’t have it both ways.
@kitt, #31:
McCarthy was another populace mob leader who turned a legitimate national security concern into a full-fledged witch-hunt, complete with pitch forks and flaming torches. There were, in fact, communist infiltrators; there were, in fact, current communist sympathizers, and former communist sympathizers who’d had no more than a passing acquaintance with an idealized version of Marxism. But Joseph McCarthy had people thinking there was an active communist agent hiding under every rock and behind every bush, and exploited the paranoia he engendered in a manner that came to threaten fundamental American constitutional rights more than many of the people he damaged and destroyed. It took far too long for somebody to finally stand up to him and call him out.
McCarthyism itself was fundamentally unAmerican. It was a perversion of patriotism.
@Meremortal, #36:
Michael Flynn swore under oath that he had done so; that confession is a matter of public court record and has been linked for anyone who cares to read it.
Barr has dropped a case in which a guilty plea was made. A contradictory statement has also been sworn to under oath by the same defendant. One or the other of the sworn statements has to be a lie. One is perjury. Both cannot be true. Barr is not a moron. He has to realize this.
It’s also known that Flynn was a paid agent who was contracted to promote the interests of Turkey and the Russian Federation, and failed to timely disclose this relationship as is required by law. Had any democrat done this, you’d be preparing a cross for public crucifixion.
@Greg:
Really, Comrade Greggie? Are you saying that the FBI, under Comey’s leadership was too incompetent to find evidence of that and wrote on January 4th:
“Following the compilation of the above information , the [CROSSFIRE HURRICANE] team determined that CROSSFIRE RAZOR was no longer a viable candidate as part of the larger CROSSFIRE HURRICANE umbrella case.”
Yeah, the Crossfire Hurricane team determined that Flynn was no longer a candidate for further investigation.
Yet, here you are, pimping Lawfare blog’s bullshit as we watch Benjamin Witte’s little cannon blow up in his face.
Seek mental health treatment, Comrade Greggie. You’ve finally crossed the Rubicon.
@retire05, #39:
What isn’t reported timely tends to be harder to find.
What you’re keep referencing as “January 4th” refers to January 4th of 2017. Flynn didn’t get around to registering as an agent of a foreign power until March 8, 2017. What was reported was a contractual relationship with of a Dutch-based company that served as an intermediary between Flynn’s consulting firm and Turkey. It undoubtedly took some additional time for the registration information to catch up with the CROSSFIRE RAZOR case file, and then for the Dutch company’s connection with Turkey to be realized.
Flynn’s contractual interaction with the Russian Federation never resulted in a registration. Payment for his 2015 speaking engagement in the Russian Federation was through RT America, which was set up in the U.S. as a nonprofit organization as a means of avoiding the Foreign Agent’s Registration Act altogether. (Does anyone seriously believe RT America wasn’t about promoting Russian Federation interests?) There was apparently a continuing relationship between Flynn and the Russian Federation, however. Flynn was paid an unknown amount as a consultant in connection with a Russian project to build 30 nuclear reactors across the Middle East—a project that any reasonable person would think might have certain national security implications for the United States.
Go ahead and pretend none of this mattered—just don’t expect me to make the same assumption. When it all began to come together, it added up to more than sufficient grounds for taking a closer look at the Flynn situation. Particularly when he landed in the middle of the Trump campaign organization, and made secret telephone calls to the Russian ambassador.
Failure to be forthright when questioned about it by the FBI was most definitely a red flag that couldn’t be ignored. Barr, however, is happy to blow the whole thing off.
@Greg:
Holder dropped a case of terrorism against voters because the criminals were black. At least the Gen. Flynn case was an actual miscarriage (hell, rape and abortion) of justice.
As some of us have known all along, Obama was the criminal. He will soon be the target.
@Greg:
So you’re telling me that the FBI was so damned incompetent that it didn’t know everything Flynn did since the day Obama fired him?
Correct; weeks after Flynn’s phone call that the FBI had the entire transcript of.
OK, so provide me with the links where you gleaned all that information from. No bullshit from you, Comrade Greggie; just the links. If your sources are so damn accurate, you should have no problem providing them.
But, my guess is you won’t because you never back up anything you say with proof.
@retire05: Haven’t you had your fill of greggie yet? He obviously is experiencing an LSD relapse.
@retire05, #42:
Look it up for yourself. It’s all easily found, and you never trust any sources that I provide.
You’ve got that right, at least.
@Greg: Gen. Flynn was innocent and Obama had him framed. There’s the bottom line.
I see someone attempted to give you the information but you asked for him to back it up. Which is strange that anyone would form an opinion on a topic, assume they’re right WITHOUT checking to see if what you believe is true or not. So maybe you should read Flynns confession and the plea agreement he made to testify against his two business associates, both landing them in federal prison The freedom of information act makes this readily available because your stance isnt supported by facts. Flynn never denied that he intentionally misled our government in recommending the obama adminstration dearm the kurds while the Kurds were assisting americannspecial forces in the fight against ISIS – all while being paid as a unregistered agent of Turkey . He admitted to lying to the government and he also stated in open court he knew what he did was just not morally wrong but against the law. I appreciate his service to American, but lets not get it twisted with the faulty thought pattern that if you’re a general you deserve a pass. You don’t. thats what nobody is above the law means. but twitter fingers would be proud of your defense. Those who blindly follow are the soldiers he really wants. Congratulations. you are on Trumps team, where honor and loyaty is not required
@a olinger: You are missing the point here that the AG made. There is a requirement to have an underlying crime for lying to the government is a crime. It was determined there was no crime because the FBI decided Flynn did not lie and the dropped the case but failed to close it. The “lovers” discovered that someone failed to close the case officially and they initiated their “insurance policy” to get rid of Trump by getting Flynn. Did you miss the part where Flynn’s council had been working with the prosecution by failing to provide Flynn with critical documents? The FBI never included in Flynn’s plea that he made the plea to protect his son. What was done to Flynn was criminal. Flynn was not let off because of his military rank, but the failure of the FBI to establish an underlying crime. Go back and read AG Barr’s full statement and you will understand.
@Greg:
Does one have to pledge their undying trust to the sources you provide? Why don’t you just be honest that you don’t want to give anyone the opportunity to judge for themselves the material you base your opinions on for fear that they may be able to destroy those sources?
All you did was reaffirm what a coward, and liar, you are, not to mention a Commie bastard. Hopefully, one of these days Curt will tire of your lies and we won’t have to continually confront your dishonesty any longer.
You’re a useful idiot, Comrade Greggie.
On January 17, 2017 Obama pardoned Gen. James Cartwright who was awaiting sentencing for giving false statements to federal investigators.
@Greg: You aren’t stupid enough to not know what the Democrats have done since 2015. The entire Russian farce is now exposed as well as illegal spying on Americans. A 3 year concentrated effort to remove a president of the USA by illegal means.