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As the organizers of last Sunday’s “Million” Vet March attempt to distance themselves from the political partisanship, one idiot on the right stands out as the poster child for Tea Party crazy:
Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group, said the country is “ruled by a president who bows down to Allah,” and “is not a president of ‘we the people.'”
“I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come up with his hands out,” he said.
Larry Klayman is a birther attorney and an idiot. There are legitimate problems with this president (Who is not running for re-election in 2016); and he trots out the “Obama is a Muslim” canard?! As if there is even anything wrong with that (oops…did I leave myself open? Is there some religious test I am unaware about in regards for running for the highest office in the land?).
Can we put this harmful conspiracy to rest already?! The Birther nonsense (started by Democrat Hillary supporters yet perpetuated on the right) and the Muslim-charge only helps President Obama. It doesn’t hurt him. And it makes conservatives look like a bunch of wingnuts.
Where on his presidential itinerary does he make the time to pray 5 times a day, facing Mecca? Is droning Muslims proof-positive that we have a Muslim in the White House? Isn’t the stupid stereotype that Muslims supposedly hate dogs? Don’t eat pork? Don’t drink? Yet President Obama owns a dog, has been seen eating pork and drinking beer; his wife and daughters wear neither hijab, niqab, nor burqa; and the list of un-Islamic things goes on and on…
Yet some crazies on the right insist on labeling him a closet Muslim with as much fervor as birthers insist he is not American-born; or is not a natural-born citizen; and 9/11 Troothers blather on about Building 7…
Personally, I don’t believe religion plays a vital part of President Obama’s personal life- Christian, Islam, or any other. I think his decision to join Reverend Wright’s church was a political calculation. He might have had a 20 year membership; but I don’t think he sat in the Trinity United Church much more than he attends church today as president. I could be wrong, as it’s just speculation on my part.
But in regards to his religious affiliation? It isn’t Islam.
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
@Redteam: Typical non response from you RT. Word spent some time responding to you in 45 and 47. You gonna hide? Any thoughts on what he said?
85 and sunny–I’m going for a run on the beach.
Word How’s it in L.A. today? Thanks for your intelligent input.
Redteam
who do we eat for diner today?
@Richard Wheeler:
Beam you up Scotty, I did respond, several times. I pointed out where his ‘examples’ are the right eating the right and asked for some examples of the ‘left’ eating the left. Want to submit your list?
@ilovebeeswarzone:
It’ll need to bee (pun) a conservative tho, no Dims have applied. RW is trying to get on our list tho. Maybe when he gets back to earth.
Wordsmith
the thing is that he does things to CHRISTIANS THAT DOES SHOW HE IS DEFINITELY NOT A CHRISTIAN,
IT WOULD NOT BOTHER ANYONE BUT
HE HAS HARASS THE CHRISTIANS, THE MILITARY IN THE WAR ZONE,FOR READING THE BIBLE, EVEN LATELY BAN THE CHAPLAIN FROM DOING PRAYERS WITH MILITARY, HE SAID BECAUSE OF THE SHUT DOWN, WHILE THE CHAPLAIN SAID HE WILL DO IT FOR FREE HE STILL REFUSE,
THAT IS THE LAST ONE WE HEARD AND THERE IS MANY MORE ON CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ORGANISATION HELPING THE POOR,
THERE IS NO MORE GUESSING OF HIM, NO MORE ARGUMENTS TO SEND A DOUBT INTO WHO HE IS,
Redteam
Richard Wheeler is already cook, but no one want chewy meat
you can’t swallow
@Wordsmith:
And the left has been using Alinsky tactics against conservatives for almost 50 years, with great success, and you think that because conservatives disagree with those tactics we should not use them against liberals?
Losing credibility with whom? The left wing press, the liberal talking heads, Democrats, low information voters?
With who? Left wing press, the liberal talking head, Democrats, low information voters?
That pie-in-the-sky ideology died with Woodrow Wilson. Time for you to catch up.
You know the right complained about spending under Bush. I know they did. But of those that were complaining, how many were given as much attention as they deserved or provided a public forum (tv, news programs, et al) as they should have been?
And how many of those “Democrats” had a public forum to express their disdain of the over-the-top remarks about Bush? How many of them were on TV shows, news programs, radio shows with a national audience? Name them.
And you suggest what? Continue taking the slings and arrows of the left, as they use Alinsky’s tactics, and say nothing? You want to continue claiming honor in the battle while the enemy is winning?
Newsflash, Word; dishonest attacks are the forte of the left, and they are winning elections and have control of both the Senate and the Oval Office. And yes, whatever Obama is for, conservatives are against because they understand Obama is simply an unadmitted Socialist. Too bad you don’t see that.
He’s an idiot. But get back to me when he gets as much press as Cindy Sheehan.
Are you saying that you consider McCain and Graham actual conservatives who adhere to the tenets of the GOP? Really? BTW, those “angrier-than-hell-and-I’m-not-going-to-take-it-anymore” conservatives gave us the House of Representatives in 2010.
You’re not a conservative, Word; you’re part of the mushie middle.
@retire05:
The ethical pictures of DrJ and Retire5 are coming into focus. They compulsively collect grievances by focusing on the worst acts by the worst “leftists” (whether real or imagined) and happily absorb these tactics into their own personal arsenals. They set the bar way down here. Personal motto: “Be what you claim to hate for the reasons you claim to hate it”. The rub comes when they think pointing the finger at the other guy – “he did it too!” – somehow grants them a moral exemption. That didn’t work on the playground either, as I recall. These people are temperamentally and ethically still children.
@ilovebeeswarzone: I think you are correct, we’ll have to find someone else.
@Tom:
This whole thread is about someone (Klayman) saying something, the left jumping on him, claiming him to be a conservative, then other conservatives jumping on the bandwagon to condemn him then someone claiming that ‘the right always eats itself’, this thread being proof of that, and then the Dimocrats jumping in to share the feast and about the fact that No one on the left ever eats his own and there being no one to offer any proof that they do, the only examples of anyone ‘eating’ anyone is conservatives. Doesn’t that make the point?
Tom
you are more dangerous than the children,
just for thinking that way,
I have to agree with Wordsmith. And it is because of people like him that the Tea Party has been successfully marginalized.
I was part of the very early Tea Party movement – I and others would meet up on cold November and December evenings back in 2008. A few months later this thing called the “Tea Party” started gaining traction, and we found ourselves ideologically matched.
We had Democrats among us – I guess you’d call them Blue Dog or Reagan Democrats – Dems who like the civil rights, social and safety net agenda of the Democratic party, but who were upset at the deficit spending and increasing demands for taxation to cover it.
The Tea Party started out as bi-partisan, guys! Mostly Republicans, but also Democrats. Anyone who was upset that government was being irresponsible financially. And on that single, logical platform, it had the potential of being a huge voice in American Politics.
Then came Michelle Bachmann, who established the “Tea Party Caucus” in Congress. And people like Klayman. The Tea Party was HIJACKED by these idiots. They started tacking on everything from birtherism to hardline anti-abortion policy onto the Tea Party nameplate. And as soon as that happened, all democratic and moderate members of the Tea Party quickly left. The Tea Party became recognized as the home of the hardline GOP wing, including hardline social conservatives – who ideologically had nothing to do with the reasons the TP was created. When we first formed, we specifically said that we would not get involved in or plant an agenda on social issues. We were about responsible and limited government – that’s it.
It is the likes of Bachmann and Klayman who killed the Tea Party, and sabotaged any chance of it being an effective grassroots resistance to the Progressive Left.
@Dreadnought: There it is. Thanks
Dreadnought
well they are not dead, and ON THE CONTRARY, THEY AREresurging UPWARD, after the cleanup from MICHELE BACKMAN
WHO IS A REAL PATRIOT,
NOW THEY ARE LOVED BY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO SAW HOW THE TEA PARTY WHERE ABUSED BY THE IRS AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST NOW, WE HAD PROOF OF HATE ON THEM BY THE DEMS
THEY ARE FEARED SO MUCH BY THE DEMOCRATS THAT THEY INSULT THEM USING THE BIGGEST TRASH WORDS EVER SEEN BEFORE, EVEN COMPARE TO THEIR TRASH ON THE CANDIDATES ELECTION TIME 2012WHICH WAS VICIOUS,
NOW THERE IS A GROUP VERY DYNAMIC WHO WITH TED CRUZ, MIKE LEE, RAND PAUL, MARCO RUBIO, EXPOSE THE MONSTER OBAMACARE, AND SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT IT,
OF COURSE IT WAS NOT EASY TO GET THE DEFUND IN SUCH TIME BUT THEY START THE BALL ROLLING
AND NOT LIKE YOU THEY WON’T GIVE UP,
THEY FREAKED UP OBAMA SO MUCH THAT HE ORDER A SHUT DOWN OUT OF SPITE TO SEEK REVENGE ON ALL THE PEOPLE,
THOSE HE WAS ELECTED TO SERVE
SORRY FOR YOU TO BE DISAPOINTED ON YOUR DEMOCRATS FRIENDS LEAVING, THEY HAD A CHOICE TO GET OUT OF THE DEMOCRATS AND JOIN,THE TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES,
BUT THIS HAD TO HAPPEN TO HAVE THE TEA PARTY MOVE AHEAD FOR ONE CAUSE, A DAM GOOD ONE,
AND FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AS IT IS WRITTEN,
@Dreadnought:
Let me see if I understand you correctly; you attended a local Tea Party meeting[s] but now you feel you have the authority to speak for the positions of ALL Tea Parties all across the nation? And you are blaming the lack of approval on Michelle Bachmann and a guy that, until recently, 99.99999999% of Americans never heard of?
Really? You really want to stick with that? And ignore than not only the entire Democrat Party, and the squishy RINOs, have smeared the Tea Party from the git-go?
Again, you assume the authority to speak for ALL Tea Party organizations. Unless you have attended each and every one of them, or read the mission statement of each and every one of them, you are simply blowing smoke. You have no clue what other Tea Party groups, other than your own, has adopted as a mission statement. Since the Tea Party, and its chapters, are not a monolithic organization, you are out of line.
Me thinks you are a progressive troll. That fact that a known progressive on this website is sending you kudos confirms the suspicion.
@Redteam:
I didn’t notice you asking for a list of examples. Maybe I missed it; or maybe it was implied. Regardless, I’m a bit perplexed if you seriously believe the left never criticizes their own.
Michael Moore has criticized President Obama on a few occasions, including calling him “worse than Bush“. A number of other Hollywood celebs have criticized President Obama for being too much like Bush- perpetuating wars, failing to close Guantanamo, NSA “spying”, moving too slow in support for gay rights, more on global warming, stricter gun laws, etc.
Noam Chomsky called Obama worse than Bush on foreign policy for murdering people, whereas Bush tortured.
Medea Benjamin and Code Pink have been consistent, protesting the wars just as much under Obama as they did under Bush.
Bob Woodward- a liberal journalist- wrote a whole book that is damning to the Obama White House- The Price of Politics.
Lanny Davis was highly critical of a “disgusting” Obama ad in the last presidential election.
Bill Maher has criticized President Obama on his handling of Syria.
I remember when Dick Durban compared Guantanamo to Soviet Gulags, the Khmer Rouge, and Nazis, the New Mexico Democratic state party chairman and the Arizona Democratic party chairman, criticized him for it.
Back when President Obama was attacking FOX News, a number of MSM outlets criticized the WH.
@retire05:
Can you name which tactic and examples of their “great success” in implementation? And do you believe every one of them has read Rules for Radicals and are consciously applying them for the sake of screwing with conservatives?
Even if it were true that the left “never eat their own”, I don’t get how some of you wail and carry on about how your political opponents behave- and then want to emulate what you fault them for! Essentially: Their behavior is so disgusting! They are liars! Let’s be like them!!
I suppose you have become what you claim to despise.
How about mainstream Americans? Ones who don’t navigate hard to the right or left?
How about mainstream Americans? Ones who don’t navigate hard to the right or left?
Most Americans are not hard right or hard left ideologues such as yourself and those who haunt political blogs. Average people who don’t follow politics so closely are turned off by wingnuts on both sides of the aisle. Code Pink and Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 didn’t help John Kerry win in ‘o4; nor did the anti-war movement help McGovern win over Vietnam. Nutters alienate those who are sanely living in the center-right/center-left, squishy middle.
And yes, the mainstream press has a leftward slant, conscious and unconscious. The president has the bully pulpit. Hollywood has a market on cultural influence; teachers union on education; liberal professors on indoctrination. So how does that play out favorably toward conservatives when we give ammo to the other side to point out right-wing lunacy when it rears its ugly head? There might be one Confederate flag or one speaker who spews nonsense worth the ridicule. When those around them don’t speak out, then it’s easier for the left to portray it as acceptance on the part of the right. We should condemn wrongful behavior and opinions where we see it, regardless of right or left, because it’s the right thing to do.
So for you, facts and truth are obsolete? Fabricate your own reality?
There were complaints; your favorite Senator John McCain was one of them. But how many of us actually complained loudly and how many of us made excuses on behalf of Bush-era spending (e.g., blame on ’07+ Congress)?
I agree that the press in general leans liberal. And because of that, your solution appears to be….?
About as much of a public forum as I have. You, Dr. J, and RT have a problem with my calling out Klayman on his BS harm to the conservative movement; but I’m only venting on a mid-rent political blog without a “tv show, news program, or radio show”.
I suggest you not embrace idiocy when it festers itself in your own midst. You yourself do this on a regular basis, in regards to who you deem “real conservative” and who you trash as RINO. If I had attacked Graham for saying something stupid, you’d be in the rah rah amen chorus camp of conservative cheerleader. I criticize Klayman, and well, here you are, on cue.
There’s a lot more going on with the left winning elections than in “dishonest attacks” on their part. The right does itself no favors by embracing birthers and propagating the stupid idea that President Obama is a Muslim.
Honest conservatives are against his policy ideas. Dishonest conservatives attack him irregardless of whatever decisions he makes. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t because of Obama Derangement Syndrome. You recognized BDS but fail to recognize ODS. We criticize and mock liberal hypocrisy when President Obama embraces some of the same policies for which Bush was roundly attacked by the left on, and give him a pass because he’s “their guy”. Well, there’s also conservative hypocrisy.
God, no. The more press he gets, the worse for the GOP.
How much favorable influence do you think Sheehan won with the American public? Not much, imo. Sympathy; but not political support from mainstream Americans.
Haha….Oh, retire…I’m so glad you quoted what I wrote along with your interpretation and reading into it what you want to read.
The point being made is, it’s a bit hypocritical to claim there’s something wrong with me “eating my own”, when folks like you (and Dr. J who first entered in here to make the charge) do it on a regular basis, alienating and naming anyone who doesn’t agree with you as RINOs.
Chris Christie was much praised on FA for sticking it to the teacher’s union and speaking bluntly…until he wasn’t. RINO!
Ann Coulter was often defended by those on the far right, loving her for her satire and scathing sarcasm and barbs against liberals. Then she became a hated RINO because she enthusiastically supported Romney and loves Christie.
How’d it go in 2012? What happened? Oh yes, too many RINOs. We can win elections if only we’d shrink the Party and steer harder to the right because that’s what the American people want.
😀
You’re not a conservative, Retire; you’re part of the crusty fringe. 😉
@retire05:
Acquired Alinsky tactic? Or are you just born this way?
@Tom: Sorry I haven’t replied yet. I wanted to wait until I could go through the Pew Research study and then give you a proper reply. Haven’t had the time yet; but am now curious to look into this more. If it’s accurate, I do find it disturbing as well as perplexing how anyone can seriously believe this about the president.
Thanks for the challenge.
@Richard Wheeler:
Well, if the lefties and Rino’s think the Tea Party movement is dead, it’s in great shape, it has them believing just what you would expect.
@Wordsmith:
Ah, but your examples on the left include them, not being left enough, not selling out as the Rino’s do.
Anyhow, I don’t have any problem with you call Klayman out on what he said. He likely is just a fruitcake. But, many people have died for the right for you to have freedom of speech, and that includes calling Klayman a nut, if you so desire. My problem is not with the right, it’s with the double standards of the left who are quick to jump on the right, but see no evil on the left.
@retire05:Retire05 you said about dreadnought:
Me thinks so also. He certainly has the lefties swooning.
he blame on the so called extremes, of Congress,
he cannot say he is the extreme RESPONSIBLE by shutting down the parks in front of the WWII VETERANS AND OTHER PLACES, WHEN TOURIST IS COMING TO VISIT,
HE CAUSE MANY SMALL BUSINESS TO LOSE MONEY,
HE DD NOT CARE HEY,
@Redteam:
Well, the other way of looking at it is the far left deeming Obama and the Dems not being progressive enough and further to the left, just as people on the far right are quick to label anyone insufficiently “pure” and “angry” like them, to be RINOs and not further to the right.
Well, of course! As well as Klayman saying his piece. The issue, as you know, isn’t about freedom of speech; but the wisdom in what is said and the wisdom or lack thereof in turning a blind eye to it, when it’s coming from “an ally”.
But this is more just human nature. People are more apt to criticize the other side with vigor and enthusiasm; less energetically when it’s coming from someone in their political camp. They might be in silent agreement with a view espoused, but one in which they have the wisdom to know should not be publicly stated; or, they might be in disagreement, but fearful to speak out and openly criticize one of their own. Silence can be interpreted or misinterpreted as acceptance and agreement.
@Redteam:
Careful you two. You might end up with egg on the face…
You might be surprised in learning more about Dreadnought’s background…
@Wordsmith:
Noam Chomsky, Media Benjamin, Michael Moore, Lannie Davis, Bill Maher, Dick Durbin, Bob Woodward; quite a list. Now, how many of them actual have the ability to create policy for the United States, and its citizens, through legislation? One!!! Color me not impressed with your list.
The Community Organizer in Chief taught a class on Alinsky, and our former Secretary of State wrote her senior thesis on Alinsky as well as being close personal friends with him until he died. But you go ahead and fool yourself that tactics taught by Alinsky, that have proven to work, especially with low information voters, is not used by the Democrats.
Mainstream Americans, eh? You mean like the ones that can’t even name the Vice President or one Supreme Court Justice or tell you what the Fourth Amendment addresses? The LIVs that voted for a man who had no provable background, only the one that was created from fairy wings? Those “mainstream” Americans?
Really? And exactly what did I say in defense of Klayman? Or are you hearing voices again? As to Graham; he needs to be rode out of the Swamp on a rail, covered in feathers.
So your opinion trumps all others? COOL. I guess we can just give up all blogs, news media, tv shows and just contact you for an “opinion.” What a time saver.
Name those that campaigned on that. What some guy says while drinking coffee at Starbucks doesn’t make a damn bit of difference.
Why bring up Christie? I have never been a fan of his. I think he is just a fat bastard with a big mouth and northeastern progressive ideals. Stick to what I DO say, not what someone else says attributed to me, as well. As to Coulter; she has now admitted she was totally wrong about Christie. Do try to stay current.
So was Ronald Reagan. Thanks for the compliment.
Bottom line; you want to play nice thinking it will get conservatives anywhere. I don’t. I want to slam the left back just as hard as they slam conservatives. Maybe when they start having to make excuses for their actions they will stop acting the way they do.
I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. You seem to think groveling is a positive trait.
Wordsmith
you open that can, now we want to know who DREADNOUGHT’S BACKGROUND IS’,
TELL US OR PART OF IT,
WE WILL BRING SOME EGGS ALSO,
WHAT A PARTY IT WILL BE,
I WANT TO PLAY,
@Wordsmith:
Deleted content when I realized I had addressed this earlier
@Wordsmith:
I doubt that very much, is ‘the big expose’ imminent?
@ilovebeeswarzone: It might be Nathan Hale..
Redteam
who is he?
@retire05: Retire, what you said. Me too.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Dreadnought, a huge British battleship. Nathan Hale, was famous for saying: “I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country.” when he was hanged by the British.
@Dreadnought:
First, Bachman should be given credit for the formation of the Tea Party, not any of the blame. How about some clarification, who are some of the people like ‘Klayman’.
I have never heard of Klayman prior to Monday of this week. I still can’t tell you anything about him, so I give him absolutely no credit for doing anything for the Tea Party in either direction. If you are so knowledgeable about him and all his idiotic antics, please feel free to fill us in.
It has been implied on this site that you have some ‘momentous background and resume’ that will impress us all. please share, we’re all expecting the clouds to part.
@retire05:
Retire05,
If you will look on my past posts here you will see that I am anything but a progressive. Your offensive tone is sad. I am a socially libertarian, fiscally conservative Constitutionalist.
And yes, I do claim the right to speak for the Tea Party, as they were originally created. I went to LOTS of meetings, of different groups in different cities, as they started to organize and link up. I recruited, I fundraised, and organized meetings of my own. I organized buses to protest in front of the State House on April 15th 2009, and I marched alongside a pair of frickin’ 4th generation Democrats who just as upset and betrayed as I was, if not more.
I can tell you this for certain – in ALL of those early meetings, someone would ask “What should our position on abortion, or immigration, or affirmative action be?” And the answer was resoundingly clear – We have no position on those issues. Our mission was to demand a return of constitutionally limited government that lived within its means. We were not a political party with a position on everything under the sun.
And when The Michelle Bachmann wing hijacked the Tea Party and started tacking on her social agenda, and I saw all of the moderates that I helped recruit leave in droves. The last major event I attended was the the 8/28/2010 Washington Rally, for which I spent 2 nights on a bus to attend. There were still some moderates in the crowd there, but they were rapidly leaving. By the end of the year, Demands for fiscally responsible government were drowned. And I left.
@Dreadnought: As in: Abandon Ship?
@Redteam:
Re: “First, Bachman should be given credit for the formation of the Tea Party, not any of the blame. How about some clarification, who are some of the people like ‘Klayman’.”
Bachmann did not form the TP – she latched on to it. Just like many neo-GOP groups who popped up in 2010, and said, “Hey, the Tea Party guys are getting a lot of attention, let’s call ourselves Tea Party XXX and get some of that attention for ourselves”.
@Dreadnought:
Michelle Bachman actually formed the Tea Party Caucus in the House. That seems as if it has to do with the formation of the Tea Party. Seems as if she were making speeches for the Tea Party in 09, not long after it’s birth. I didn’t say she was the ‘founder’ of the Tea Party, only that she was in on the formation. Sounds as if you were also. Were you speaking out loudly against the actions of Bachman at the time or did you only turn against her later when you found out she wasn’t a ‘moderate’? Your story seems to be that you abandoned the movement about the time it started.
I don’t personally care about the Tea Party one way or the other, only so far as it helps to keep moderate Rino’s out of elective office. My personal estimation is that about 80% of each party congress members are moderates with no moral compass. They are primarily in it for the money and power, with them it’s not about ‘right or wrong’ only power.
I’m not trying to knock you or your efforts, but you seem to have wanted to be a part of something good, the Tea Party, but when you didn’t get your way, you abandoned ship.
Redteam
Idon’t think they where only for power,of course it’s easy to label that,
because a new party need power, even old party need power,
look at the OBAMA PARTY, they went out of their way of insults toward the other side they treat like inferior to them just to cling to their power and make them feel lower,
even that they are equal, and dependant on the congress money, they also now think the people are lower than they are, their arrogance is blatant, but the people are as powerfull except they allow them to do what they want,
but beginning now with ted cruz speech, and the other, listening to the people ,it all will change
the democrats vision of thinking they are superior and really deflate them from now on,
they are being checkmate, forever,
@Dreadnought:
What is a “socially” libertarian? Does that mean you are only libertarian when you are involved socially? Or did you mean to say that you are actually socially permissive?
You cannot possibly speak for all the Tea Party groups in the nation. So you were involved with a few groups. What is that compared to the hundreds that are all across the country? And pardon me if I’m not impressed that you marched along 4th generation Democrats (for which you have no proof). So what? 3/4th of my family are 4th generation Democrats who are not happy with the current administration or the direction the nation is headed in.
I am not going to blather on about my connections to any Tea Party group, but I can tell you this; the answer to all the questions like “what should our position be on X, Y and Z?” was simple: hold up a copy of the U.S. Constitution and say “This!” If it is not enumerated, it doesn’t belong in government. Pretty simple. And the position is the same. A return to a Constitutional government.
Whoop-tee do! The only problem was the 8-28 rally was NOT a Tea Party rally; it was Glen Beck’s Restoring Honor rally. And as to your complaining of two nights on a bus just to be there; is that supposed to invoke my sympathy? Next time fly. You will enjoy having your 4th Amendment rights violated by the TSA.
I met no “moderates” (whatever you seem to think they are) at the Restoring Honor rally. They were all Constitutional conservatives who wanted to restore this nation back to the honor we once held before Woodrow Wilson decided the U.S. Constitution was an outdated, obsolete document.
I’m sure that the true Tea Party proponents felt no loss with your exit.
@retire05:
And Dr. J and his fan girl seem to take umbrage with my “eating my own”. Yet my “ability to create policy for the United States” amounts to what exactly? The ones I cited navigate a greater sphere of influence than little ol’ part-time blogger me. So color me unamazed with your equation.
Not denying some on the left are read up on it and applying it. All I asked is
Because you make it sound like a vast conspiracy.
In part, yes. Because like it or not, someone who knows nothing can still vote and cancel out your informed vote. And not all “low information voters” are left-leaning. And Tom’s Pew Research link might be one example of that.
But there are others who are informed voters but not committed ideologues such as yourself who occupy the mushy center; who are mixed-leaning on issues; who are turned off by wingnuts and the partisan divide.
I know you called him an idiot. But based upon your history of comments, I get the sense that you’re more irked by my criticism of Klayman than you are with Klayman.
Rofl!!!
You’re a real piece of work….imo 😉
You’re right! And it’s an argument I’ve made to liberals regarding Republican Senators and Reps. But Klayman’s more than just some guy sipping at Starbucks. With a mainstream media that does lean left of center in general, having Klayman speak at the Million Vet March and not boo him down when the stupid flew from his mouth, just gives unnecessary fodder to the other side.
COOL. I guess we can just give up all blogs, news media, tv shows and just contact you for “current info.” What a time saver. 😉
Why bring up Christie? Dude….why did you bring up Sheehan? What bizarre logic you operate on! I didn’t say you liked Christie; I mentioned him in the context of the FA community and past threads.
And that is rich coming from you regarding “Stick to what I DO say, not what someone else says attributed to me”.
Ah…wrapping yourself in the trappings of a Reagan conservative are you? Really?! I have a difficult time believing that with some on the right today (such as yourself), Reagan wouldn’t be Reagan enough for Party Purists.
Fine! Slam them hard. But slam them with facts rather than distortion and spin.
Uh, yeah. I’m a groveler which is why I’m here on FA taking the unpopular opinion of sticking my thumb in the eye of the unhinged, emotional crybabies on the far right who have become to Obama what Code Pink, Kos Kiddies, and Democratic Underground were to Bush.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Bees, Dreadnought is a longtime contributor over at Lucianne’s.
Hardly a progressive site.
@Redteam:
Ah, Lordy! So much hyperbole! 🙂
WORDSMITH
YOU LOOK GOOD WHEN YOU ARE ANGRY,
THIS WAS ONE COMMENT TO SAVE,
I ONLY SAVE THE BEST,
THE THING IN BLOGS IS WE TAKE THE BEST OF IT
THAT’S HOW WE LEARN, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH BRAIN TO SEPARATE
IT FROM THE ENVELOPE,
and it’s an effort worth while because we find the gold nugget
so to treasure, and no matter the envelope we learn so much from all FLOPPING ACES PEOPLE WHO ARE FREE TO SAY THEIR MIND ABOUT ANY SUBJECT, AND IT’S FREE,
OBAMA LAST SPEECH TOLD TO NOT READ THE BLOGS AND
NOT LISTEN TO RADIO OR WATCH TV, WOW
WE CALL THAT RESTRAINING THE LIFE OF THOSE WHO CANNOT FIND WORK BECAUSE OF HIS ENTITELMENTS,
AND WHAT ELSE ARE THE PEOPLE TO DO,
THECONSERVATIVES BLOGS ARE THE BEST TEACHERS EVER,
AND THE READER TAKE WHAT HE IS INTERESTED IN,
THAT IS FREE THOUGHT UN IMPOSE BY ANY INDOCTRINATION ANYONE LEARN IN SCHOOL
SO KEEPING AWAY FRO THE CONSERVATIVE BLOG IS A GREAT LOSS FOR THE HUNGRY BRAIN,
BEST TO YOU
@Wordsmith:
Well, Wordsmith, you are the one that puffed Dreadnought up as some coming of the something. We were just all holding our breath for the fresh air we were all about to receive. And all we get is that he writes something over at some blog site no one’s ever heard of.
As far as ‘shouting down Klayman”… I’m sure that if what he was saying was something the ‘crowd’ was opposed to him saying, they would have let him know. As I’ve said, I’ve never heard of Klayman prior to Monday of this week, so I’m surely no fan of his, or non-fan of his either. But he is entitled to have his say, but the listeners are not required to listen.
On this question of Retire, you asked:
My response to that would be, the election of a totally unknown socialist Alinsky-ite to the presidency and his appointment of fellow Alinsky-ites to government posts. That is a measure of some success for them.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
“ANGRY”?? 🙂
@Redteam:
Go back and read the flow of conversation. What was I responding to? Retire’s demeaning, dismissive tone and rhetoric. Because he doesn’t share her perspective on this, she concludes as explanation that it must be because he is a “progressive troll”. You then pipe in with a “me too!”:
Which lefties following Dreadnought’s comment were swooning? Again, hyperbole. Rich made one comment in agreement.
After you two labeled him a “progressive troll”, all I did was warn you to be careful lest you get egg on your face for suggesting you know his politics from his one comment in this thread.
Yeah, I guess they prove the validity of the Pew Research study. Doesn’t do the conservative side or the Tea Party label any favors.
That’s not in dispute, as already pointed out previously.
What I’d like to know is whether or not this is speculation or if there is evidence that Alinsky tactics are consciously being implemented, and by which lefties, specifically.
And the election of President Obama (twice) is due to a number of factors. Not just supposed or actual implementation of Alinsky.
@Wordsmith:
@retire05:
Where did I say YOU had the ability to create policy for the United States? Quote me. And those you cited have no more power through the spoken/written word than you save for the fact they garner a larger audience. Twisting, or misrepresenting, what someone [me] said is not a conservative tactic.
Let’s see, we can use:
Rule 4
Rule 5
Rule 8
Rule 9
Rule 10
Rule 12
Of course a LIV can cancel out the vote for an informed voter. Where did I ever deny that? And no, not all LIVs are left-leaning, also something I never claimed, but I would suggest to you that there are more left leaning LIVs than right leaning LIVs. As to Tom’s Pew link, didn’t read it. But Pew is historically left leaning so I would have to ask of any poll they release: how many were polled, how was it weighted, what was the percentage of respondents who were Dems? Republicans? Independents? If I take a poll of 1,000 people, and 750 of them are conservative/Republican, the poll results will be heavily weighted toward a conservative opinion.
Klayman is a guy I have not heard of until recently. Yet you seem to want to hang him around Redteam and my necks. I don’t know that anyone “had” Klaymen speak at the Million Vet March. It was pretty loosely organized, actually. Anyone can rent a microphone and a podium.
When you start calling those you KNOW are committed conservatives “crybabies” and other pejoratives, you are just another John McCain/Pete King faction of the right of center wing and should be dismissed with the same rapidity as McCain/King.
Because he contributes to Lucianne’s that solidifies his conservative bona fides? How so? Rick Moran, a center-left self proclaimed conservative contributes to both PJ Media and Front Page News, both hardly progressive sites.
Let me give you my take on your friend, Dreadnought; he claims to have organized and worked diligently for various Tea Parties, only he didn’t know that 8-28 was NOT a Tea Party venue. He claims to have been on the ground floor (starting in Feb. 2009, I would assume) but left the Tea Party in August, 2010 when things did not go his way and the “moderates” left the Tea Party.
Why did he leave? Was he so unimpressive, so non-influential, that he could not keep his group on course? A leader, a real leader, is capable of keeping the worker bees in tow. Just look at Obama. He keeps his worker bees in tow because, whether we like it or not, he leads the left.
So instead of trying to get his group[s] back on track through leadership, he bailed and now whines about the Tea Party. And I’m supposed to be impressed with that CV?
RW is a committed leftist, although he does like to pretend to be part of the mushy middle every now and then, so when he is shouting out kudos to anyone, you can bet that person is not a conservative.
My, my, quite the thin-skinned commentator, aren’t you?
@Wordsmith:
I was checking the language in the Constitution, and I couldn’t find any mention of speech making and political thought as ordained by the results of Pew Research. I don’t personally care what the results of a Pew questionnaire would be on what I think politically. I don’t form my opinions based on ‘popularity in polls. I’m sure if Pew did a study on whether persons like free stuff, the answer would be yes, but it wouldn’t necessarily tell them that what they were getting for free, has to be paid for by someone.
Hey, if he’s got Rich, what else could he want? But I do agree there were not a lefties swooning.
That’s the way Alinsky is designed.
Readteam
YES RIGHT ON THE BUTTON, SR
@retire05: Retire05, let’s take #12 as a good example:
Then take a look at the name of this comment thread. Seems as if it is a picture perfect example.
@Redteam:
I was reading the Pew survey that I assume is the one Tom was blathering about. The one that shows Tea Party approval decreasing. Two things struck me; first, in cell phone surveys, they questioned the youngest member of the household over the age of 18 and the survey is weighted toward Democrat responses.
@retire05: @Redteam:
The coy internet foreplay between you two is too much to handle. I’m shipping you way hard. Please, just get it over with.
@retire05:
You show a fundamental ignorance of the Sacred Rules. No true Alinskian would employ this many Rules in tandem. For example, 4 and 8 are complimentary. And 10 can be used with 9, but not with 4. 12 cannot be employed with any other Rule but 8. But if using 8 with 10, one cannot use 8 with 4. One can use 4 with 8 with 5, (we call that the “Secret Muslim”). Yet, ironically, 4, plus 8 plus 5 has never yielded more sinister results than either 5 plus 8 or 8 plus 5 (and, yes, sequence matters). For best results: lather, rinse, repeat.
@Tom:
Where did I say the rules were all used simultaneously? Or even 2, 3 or 4 were used simultaneously?
Hearing those voices in your head again, Tom?
But there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that you know them quite well; and approve.
@retire05:
Well if you know how they’re used, please tell us. I’m all ears.
Well, DUH, I’m a Leftist. We all learn the Rules, quite young. My first words were “Roool fooour”. In fact, during feedings, my Mother covered her breast with a picture of Alinksy’s face, so I was trained to think he was nourishing me with his wisdom. Geez, you know nothing about the Left, do you?
So have you and Redteam had a first date yet?