Maybe it’s jet lag.
Maybe it’s the sleeping pills.
Whatever. Barack Obama has melted down. Reality has slipped his grip like a wet salmon. Obama has always been one to take credit for everything (“I got Bin Laden”) and own everything (“my military”) yet never, ever take responsibility for anything. At his news conference in Sweden he said things that a rational person could never utter.
STEVE HOLLAND, REUTERS: Have you made up your mind whether to take action against Syria whether or not you have a congressional resolution approved? Is a strike needed in order to preserve your credibility for when you set these sort of red lines? And were you able to enlist the support of the prime minister here for support in Syria?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Let me unpack the question. First of all, I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line. The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world’s population said the use of chemical weapons are abhorrent and passed a treaty forbidding their use even when countries are engaged in war. Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty. Congress set a red line when it indicated that in a piece of legislation titled the Syria Accountability Act that some of the horrendous thing that are happening on the ground there need to be answered for. And so, when I said, in a press conference, that my calculus about what’s happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn’t something I just kind of made up. I didn’t pluck it out of thin air. There was a reason for it. That’s point number one. Point number two, my credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’ credibility is on the line because we give lip service to the notion that these international norms are important.
The world set the red line? Which world is that??? Not this world. Let’s crank up the Wayback machine.
Obama issues Syria a ‘red line’ warning on chemical weapons
“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus,” Obama said. “That would change my equation. . . . We’re monitoring that situation very carefully. We have put together a range of contingency plans.”
That sounds very much to me like he set a red line.
Obama said Syria does not pose an imminent threat:
“We may not be directly imminently threatened by what’s taking place in a Kosovo or a Syria or a Rawanda in the short-term but our long-term national security will be impacted in a profound way and our humanity’s impacted in a profound way.”
Wait- what? That’s not what he’s been saying.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLkvuXsMnCs[/youtube]
Again, the Wayback machine:
In a speech at a 2002 anti-war rally, Obama, then an Illinois state senator, conceded that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was “a brutal man,” “a ruthless man,” “a man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.” He noted that the Iraqi dictator “has reeatedly defied U.N. resolutions, thwarted U.N. inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.”
In short, there was no question that “the world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.” Still, Obama said, “Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States.” Hence a U.S. invasion aimed at overthrowing him would be “a dumb war,” “a rash war,” “a war based not on reason but on passion.”
Notably, Saddam’s crimes against his own people included using chemical weapons against Kurds in northern Iraq, a campaign that killed some 5,000 men, women, and children. That murderous assault, in Obama’s view, did not justify U.S. intervention.
Today, by contrast, Obama says a sarin-gas attack that caused about 1,400 of the 100,000 deaths so far in Syria’s civil war demands an American response in the form of missiles aimed at President Bashar al-Assad’s forces. “What message will we send if a dictator can gas hundreds of children to death in plain sight and pay no price?” Obama asked in a speech on Saturday. Presumably the same message he was willing to send when he opposed war with Iraq.
And BTW, his credibility is not on the line. Ours is.
“My credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line and America and Congress’s credibility is on the line because we give lip service to the notion that these international norms are important.”
WASHINGTON (AP) — For more than a week, the White House had been barreling toward imminent military action against Syria. But President Barack Obama’s abrupt decision to instead ask Congress for permission left him with a high-risk gamble that could devastate his credibility if no action is ultimately taken in response to a deadly chemical weapons attack that crossed his own ‘‘red line.’’
The stunning reversal also raises questions about the president’s decisiveness and could embolden leaders in Syria, Iran, North Korea and elsewhere, leaving them with the impression of a U.S. president unwilling to back up his words with actions.
This is astonishing, even for Obama.
Let’s be very clear here. Obama blurted out the “red line” thing. Not the world. Obama put his credibility on the line- not ours. He is now desperate to drag us into something most Americans oppose. I do not believe it has to do with anything other than pulling his ass out of the fire alone. We have seen no compelling evidence for action. He has not made the case to the UN. Speaking which, the UN Secretary General said that any action by the US without UN approval would be illegal.
And that makes things very interesting.
Should the US act alone- is it an illegal act in the eyes of the world? What would that do to our credibility? Would Russia be justified in responding to such an illegality? Would Iran? Would Assad be justified in tossing some munitions at US bases in Iraq?
Hardly anyone supports action right now, especially in the absence of proof and has been posted here and here, there are a lot of doubts.
It is only fair for the rest of us to wallow in the same self-righteous indignation Senator Obama so enjoyed prior to sitting in the big chair.
It’s not so easy, is it?
This is about Obama’s ego more than anything else. I hope that liberals will finally catch on to this charlatan, this empty suit. If it’s the world’s problem, let the world take care of it. If the world set the red line, let them handle it. It can’t be our credibility on the line for something the world did.
It’s time to put on the big boy pants, Barack, and stop blaming everyone else. As you sow, you know….
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DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@MataHarley: Easy Mata I was only responding to Aqua. Wasn’t referring to anything you said.
My position on Iraq was clearly stated. Agree no more needs be said on that.
BTW It’s ONE THING to say you don’t know the truth about the WMD’S or we need more time–COOL.
Quite another to say I BELIEVE ASSAD—-
I do believe the POTUS over the Dictator—so shoot me.
@Redteam, #152:
Of course there are. Humanity everywhere is a mixture of the good and the bad, of the wise and fools. One thing evil is demonstrating more and more these days is its extreme willfulness. It requires no encouragement. Good, on the other hand, has to be cultivated and encouraged, or it’s run over roughshod by the willfulness of evil men.
I honestly don’t know if that’s a liberal perspective. Maybe it should be thought of as a lesson from Pulp Fiction. Wisdom is where you find it.
@Greg:
Uh-uh.
You don’t tell the country how serious a matter is and then head directly to the links. THAT is a lack of perspective.
@Redteam: C’mon RT YOU said ONLY Dims shine the beacon. I showed 2 examples of Repubs. Got it?/
@MataHarley:Dang Mata You are misquoting my quote you italicized. Please reread–key word INCREASE.
I wish I could dwell in your land of sunshine, lollipops and rainbows all around, Greg. Unfortunately it’s a repeat of the past that those who don’t respect history, (or in your case, don’t bother to learn it at all), are doomed to repeat it.
The cosmetic make up of the opposition fighting forces, and the degrees of separation of terrorists are so minute as to be indistinguishable.
November of last year, Gen. Mustafa al-Sheikh (then rebel leader and Assad defector) warned the world that all the rebels would turn into terrorists if they weren’t armed immediately.
Of course, he was already behind the times, as the rebels were being rapidly radicalized even four months earlier. In this Spiegel July 2012 article, well before al-Sheikh’s promise of turning into terrorists, rebels were already taking the moment to terrorize Christians.
Assad is just the new Mubarak and Gadaffi, save for the US cooperation bit. But like the aforementioned two, he kept Islamists at bay, protected minority religion Syrians and generally encouraged capitalism and a wide spread education system in the country. As we learned in other Arab Spring countries, the Islamists are better organized, better armed and will no only take the lead in any replacement government (as that is their quest), but easily coerce – or silence – rebels that don’t remain loyal as the price for their aid.
Flash forward to today, and even Reuters, not exactly a right wing news outlet, points out that Kerry’s happy face on the rebels runs counter to the intelligence on the same subject.
You can speak numbers and percentages all you want, Greg. But that has nothing to do with who has the strength and influence, and who will emerge as the new power. Afghan tribes still remain subservient to their Taliban despots, Lebanese still take the pot shots for what Hezbollah does. The Palestinians to Hamas, Egypt to the MB and Islamists, and Libya to whatever Islamist leader is in the ‘hood any given day.
Just like this nation was framed and founded by 50 some odd rich, white men, and the rest of the denizens had no power over those initial decisions, so goes what happens with the rebels, cowed by the superiority of fire power, organization and ideology of their partners in crime. Since they share religious ideology, it’s not difficult for them to morph into the more aggressive versions of their former selves.. which is exactly what they have been doing all this time.
Now I’m sure you’ll just come back with some cute, feel good rapport, since you (and apparently Richard) prefer to base your opinions on sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and emotions. But facts are hard to dispute. And if you don’t want to accept the facts – as you never do – then you need only look backward in history. This isn’t a new story… even in our past current events.
Maybe instead I’ll come back with an idiotic comment from the right:
Darrell Issa, 3 days ago.
It seems to me that the presence of the chemical weapons would be the single thing we should all at least agree is important. Are they not the chief threat to everyone around Syria?
@MataHarley, #162:
I suppose that would lead us to the conclusion that we should support the Assad regime, or at least in no way interfere with whatever means the Assad regime chooses to utilize to deal with rebel forces.
In other words, with respect to Syria, republicans should encourage Obama to sit on the sidelines.
So why don’t you tell us who said the reason they doubt Obama is because they believe Assad, Richard. You laid out the accusation, so why don’t you finger who that group of people are that are so unpatriotic as to support Assad over Obama, based on their character instead of emerging counter evidence?
How can I “misquote” a copy/paste of your own words, Richard? Do you mean that by not putting emphasis on the word, “increase”, I misinterpreted, which is different than misquoting?
I guess I don’t grasp your unique vocabulary. Let’s try again:
First of all, as the experts have cited (and apparently you seem to think you know more than historical attempts and experts), any impossible “surgical strike” on CWs would indeed INCREASE the deaths of innocents. Likewise any escalation of warfare with “minimum” collateral damage still constitutes an “INCREASE” in the deaths of innocents.
Ergo, if you want no more deaths of innocents, or even a “minimal” of collateral damage, you don’t engage. Otherwise, I don’t think you know the meaning of “increase”.
@Greg, another pathetic dodge of facts? Why am I not surprised. So what is it in Issa’s statement that you find “idiotic”?
What is it with you and your extremes, Greg? Neither side warrants our support in any fashion. It’s an internal affair.
As to the use of chemical weapons, that is a UN/OPCW affair… not the sole domain of the US as judge, jury and executioner, along with a hand full of Muslim nation allies (which does not include the EU, not Britain, Germany etal) who have a vested interest in their Sunni Islamists gaining control. The US/Congress signed on to that Convention. They need to follow the rules of that same Convention.
To focus on a nerve gas attack that killed over 1,400 people would be to send a message that totalitarian governments should commit mass murder using only conventional means.
What about that suggestion isn’t idiotic?
@Greg, you still didn’t answer what you think is idiotic.
What Issa appears to be saying is that totalitarian regimes will know they will be given a pass for mass murder if they use the accepted killing weaponry. So any genocide is acceptable, as long as it’s not done by CW.
What, pray tell, is idiotic about that? And, in fact, it’s true. The Clinton admin/US and the UN backed out of Rwanda and allowed that genocide.
BTW, Greg… thought I’d pass on something about weaponized sarin from an interview with Dan Kaszeta, a US Army Chemical Corps veteran, that I caught on Brown Moses Blog in early August 2013.
You were originally attempting to say it just had to be Assad with this latest alleged sarin attack (we still don’t have the results of sarin, the grade or mixture of sarin from UN inspectors yet) because it had to have been exploded in the atmosphere as an aerosol over the area. You also, erroneously, claimed that the rebels did not have these types of weapons, which is proven factually wrong.
To remind you of your not-so-informed-about-sarin claim:
Oddly enough, Kaszeta explains that the best weaponized delivery of sarin is a ground level impact.
oops…
Another oops… unexploded munitions on the ground wouldn’t have spread the sarin (it requires the explosive to do so), and would have been good evidence as to the source.
Also, as noted in the interview… assuming you actually read something for a change… sarin would evaporate in the Syrian climate within minutes. Likely those treating the victims would not be dying. And that it doesn’t take a sophisticated system to weaponize sarin, as simple weaponry methods have been used thru it’s history.. including makeshift rockets.
Greg
the rebels started the revolution, what did they expected?
their PRESIDENT to do? leave THE COUNTRY,
to end up like EGYPT MANY DEAD, LIBYA MANY DEAD, YEMEN AND WHO ELSE,
ASSAD chose to stay and face the enemy, WITH COURAGE,
his LOYALS people are feeling protected as
long as he is there
why OBAMA want to disturb his country? BECAUSE HE TOLD HIM TO LEAVE AND ASSAD SAID NO,
OBAMA want to get him out to close the crescent in his logo circle
after that is JORDAN, and he know it
so ASSAD must stay there to protect his people,
do you have any idea what revenge can do BY A PERSON WHO CANNOT ACCEPT TO BE SAID NO,
and how far with the power given to destroy a COUNTRY, THE MUSLIMS KNOW, AND THOSE RAISE AS MUSLIM KNOW ALSO,
@MataHarley You’re funny ha ha MISINTERPRET I believe doing nothing will embolden Assad and INCREASE his use of WMD'S and increase the chance of MORE (AS IN GREATER AMOUNT) OF INNOCENTS DYING than innocents dying due to surgical strike. Final answer.
You may think I'm wrong but I SAY RT( "Obama not legitimate CIC" and Bees would rather see Assad correct than Obama. They can deny this if they like. Just above Bees uses Assad and courage in the same sentence. Sad
You know I’m for KISS THOUGH I dislike the band.Do you believe Assad when he says he had nothing to do with Aug.21 event?
Richard Wheeler
no one said that they chose one or the other,
don’t try to put words on a blank page,
I said from what we find it’s the rebel alqaeda who did the massacre,
and the fact that the public talks was only focus on ASSAD,
AND CATEGORICAL SOLD AS THE TRUTH, IS SUSPICIOUS,
A weak president is a sitting duck for strong opponents. Plain speaking Putin told Obama today in St. Petersburg, at the start of the G-20, that if America attacks Syria, Russia will respond with a missile shield around Syria (the Guardian newspaper reports). So Putin’s using this economic summit to warn Obama about consequences if there’s an attack against their most important ally in the Middle East. Meanwhile China is sticking with the economy so far. He’ll need his ‘ big boy pants’ now more than ever.
I’ve already answered this, Richard. I believe this was an act by the rebels. Don’t care what Assad says one way or the other. Or Obama/Kerry for that matter. Didn’t enter into my analyses process.
Can’t say this is much of an improvement, Richard. Either way, you’re good for guaranteed killing of more innocents in order to prevent future deaths from a hypothetical attack. Sure ain’t much of a “for the children” argument. Not to mention, this bears no resemblance to your original remark specifically mentioning the surgical strikes as a response… something guaranteed to kill more innocents with WMDs.
And if you’re wrong, and the Islamist rebels were the perps, you don’t think that the US punishing the wrong side won’t embolden increased false flag operations by terrorists, and pinning it on their enemies instead? Apparently to guys like you and Greg, they’re all backwards, dumb enemies, working with nothing but pipe bombs – and are above reproach. Heaven forbid anyone even dare to consider they are capable of such events, eh?
the POPE sending a message to the leaders, seeking
a peaceful resolution on THE LIBYA MATTER,
it tell us how big the dangers are to attack,
it’s not the attack itself, it’s the aftermath of it,
AMERICANS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF WAR,
THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE 9/11 AND 12, THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF HERO GETTING KILLED OR WOUNDED BADLY,
THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED TO SPEND 40 MILLION DOLLAR PER WEEK FOR A COMING WAR, AND EXPECTING TO COST 3 BILLION AND WHO KNOW THE ESCALATION IS NOT COUNTED.
ALL THAT BESIDE THE DEBT OF TRILLIONS ALREADY THERE
@MataHarley: KISS You rebels did it Me Assad did it What took so long lol
And if you’re wrong and we do nothing? i believe this will prolong Assads brutal grasp of power. Make no mistake–he’s still gonna end in a Gaddaffi ditch—heroic???
Biggest problem We’ve already waited too long.
@Greg:
I agree wholeheartedly with Mata on the assessment of your emotional prism in looking at this. The only war where chemical weapons were used repeatedly was WWI. Gen BH Liddell-Hart wrote a superb analysis on the use of chemical weapons in that war. He had actual experience and data in the use of those weapons. When you read his treatise and evaluate his data (which I did as an Army officer writing a paper on chemical warfare during my military medical school years) the opinion was that chemical weapons, though frightening, had fewer deaths (figured as percentages based on exposure) and lesser long term adverse medical effects on soldiers than did conventional weapons which the politicians seemed comfortable with when amending the Geneva Conventions to ban chemical weapons use in combat. General Liddell-Hart commented that as far as soldiers were concerned, there really was no difference between being killed by gas versus shell, grenade, bullet or bayonet. Death is still death, regardless of how one died.
The sickening, childish understanding leftists are now exhibiting regarding the use of chemical weapons as a justification for getting the US involved in Syria (where we have absolutely no strategic interests) juxtaposed with the vehement opposition to going to war in Iraq where we had clear strategic interests and where there had been much more use of chemical weapons, demonstrates a level of hypocrisy and Orwellian doublethink that is absolutely mind-boggling. The fact that Feinstein stated she supports attacking Syria even though the vast majority of her constituents are calling in opposing such a move…the fact that a leftist blowhard like Bob Beckel actually stated that firing missiles into another sovereign nation wasn’t the same thing as warfare…such defenses of Obama’s bizarre plan demonstrate exactly why leftists should never ever EVER be allowed to command our military again.
One goes to war when one’s country is endangered, either directly or strategically indirectly. You go to war with maximum force to destroy your enemy to prevent him from attacking your country. You go to war knowing that some of your countrymen will lose their lives, so the justification for getting into war had better be worth the loss of soldiers’ lives. You do not go to war “to make a point”, or “to save face”, or because a president wants to look tough on the world stage of Kabuki theater. You do not lob multi-million dollar Tomahawk cruise missiles without a damned good reason, and Obama does not have one.
The fact that an anti-American dirtbag lying war protestor like Kerry (who we have pictures of sitting down to a cozy little dinner with Assad and his wife as little as 5 years ago) is now spouting pro-war propaganda in a situation which involves no US strategic interests is beyond disgusting.
Obama is a weak president because he is an ineffectual, narcissistic leftist with pathetically little experience in anything except community organizing and campaigning for office. The fact that democrats are whining that we need to support the president or he’ll be weakened on the world stage is another example of how hypocritical leftists intrinsically are. Remember when Hillary was spewing the “Dissent is patriotic” meme? With a leftist in the Oval Office, now it seems such rhetoric no longer applies in their collectivist mindset.
People like Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Feinstein and their ilk are not fit to lick the boots of the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines whose lives the left so blithely desires to toss into a meatgrinder for nothing but political propaganda.
Pete
that was great,no other words necessary,
thank you,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Plus, it’s going to be three weeks before the UN inspection team, which is awaiting lab results on tissue and soil samples it collected while in the country last week, will issue their report. D’you think Obama will wait until then? Meanwhile, the White House claims 1,429 people died from the gas attack on August 21, while the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which collects information from a network of anti-government activists in Syria, says its toll has reached 502. So even that they can’t get right.
So funny how wingnuts just can’t get over the fact that Bush let Osama go and Obama got him!
@This one:
No, you troll. Seal Team 6 got him, after years of work started by the Bush administration. Obama went and played cards while the special ops team brought justice to bin Laden. I was in Afghanistan when bin Laden was killed, and the booing that occured in the mess tent from all my fellow soldiers when Obama made his pathetic “I ordered the strike” speech was deafening.
@Greg: #155 ,
So you’re saying the golf is what is important to Obama?
@Greg:
I don’t agree at all, I don’t see them as a threat anywhere but within Syria. Since Syria was not a signatory to the UN ban on CW, the the UN rules concerning it does not apply to Syria. If the UN disagrees, it is the job of the UN to do something about it.
What the heck are you talking about, Richard? You asked me this same question two days ago on another thread (your comment #65) and I responded then in my comment #66. You keep asking me the same question, but trying to frame it in your more emotional way of coming to conclusions (like trying to get me to say I like Assad better than Obama, perhaps?), and I keep answering you. I don’t think with my hormones like you do. I’m more an analysis type thinker.
Are you suffering from short term memory loss, as well as vocab problems? :0)
This seems to be a common problem of extremism you share with Greg. I have never suggested we do “nothing”. I have suggested we honor the obligations of that damned stupid, and worthless, Convention we signed and take it to the UNSC as the procedure dictates. I have also suggested multiple times that the US be acting as a mediator with regional, and affected, nations in talks. Talks that I’m sure will be just as successful as Palestine/Israel over the decades.
Your problem, like Greg’s, is that you think there are only two choices. War or nothing. Hate to tell you but that limitation of mental capacity seems to be a personal problem.
And no… we shouldn’t have intervened earlier either, unless it was also going to be as a peace talks mediator. Apparently you and Greg have a problem learning from past current events. Another personal limitation.
@MataHarley: You’re a hoot Mata—my personal problems you say. Got none. Life is great. Health is perfect. Memory fine. How bout you?
That analytical mind working well for you. Are you happy?
@Richard Wheeler:In 134, I said:
In # 171, you quoted me:
I’d like to ask that if you are going to quote me, at least quote me, don’t ad-lib it. You changed it to a statement by me as to his legitimacy, as you can read, I only questioned if he was legitimate, I made no determination. To deliberately misquote someone is dishonesty. Please refrain.
@Pete:
This.
Pete, let’s not forget that the House of Saud has seemingly told Secretary of State Lurch that they are willing to pay for the military action against Assad, if we use our military. I’m sure that makes every one in the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines feel a lot better knowing that at least the war will be paid for.
My God; what we have here is Putin backing Assad, with Iran’s help and the House of Saud backing the jihadist rebels in Syria. Obama seems to be backing the House of Saud (can we call this a “war for oil” now?). If Saudi Arabia wants Assad gone, let them do it. What happened to all those planes we supplied them along with all the pilots we trained?
Now, Obama, having expired the “It’s all George Bush’s fault” card, has dumped this in the lap of Congress. He ran his mouth off teleprompter with his “red line” comment and now he has to fish or cut bait and all he wants to do is leave the river bank. So now the red line is not HIS red line, it’s the world’s read line (since Bush is no longer in the picture). But it seems that the world, outside of the Arab nations, who are not willing to do anything about Assad themselves, and France, that will do nothing but provide a hand in the middle of Obama’s back, didn’t get the memo on the red line.
Where is the demand by the left that Obama a) take this directly, and personally, to the United Nations b) take his case directly to the American people and c) have a coalition of nations behind him? Isn’t that what they demanded of George Bush? You bet it was. And to make matters worse, Putin is calling Obama’s hand at the Summit by telling him that if he has concrete proof that Assad was responsible for a CW attack, show it to him.
Today, Putin threw a dinner for heads of state at the historic Peterhof Palace. But Obama showed up 1/2 hour late, strolling across the Palace grounds (an unnecessary action) for an opportune photo op. I’m sure Putin was impressed.
Britain, Spain, Germany, actually the entire EU, know that Obama is the “weak” horse. Obama’s leading from behind, and the rest of the world is kicking dirt into his face.
@This one: Wing nuts? It was the Navy seals that got him while Obama was brushing up on his Spades game. Spades? How ironic……
@MataHarley: Mata, #184,, what Richard, in his Lib Mind is trying to say is
KISS You rebels did it Me Assad, but it is confusing because the Y is before the M in MY. as in KISS MY ou rebels did it e Ass ad
I’m sure he is rolling on the floor laughing his ass off at a silly childish comment that he thinks he slipped over on someone. He likely learned that after he got out of the Marine Corps, I’m quite sure they didn’t deal with idiocy there. I’m also quite sure he will deny this was what he was saying.
@Redteam: Honestly don’t know what you’re talking about.
Note It’s Marine Corps
re #186 No problem.Glad to see you’re open minded about BHO legitimacy. Could you talk to Smorg?
@Richard Wheeler: For someone that didn’t realize the Y was before the M, I’m surprised you noticed the s was missing off the Corps.
If I were to, it wouldn’t be to try to convince him that he’s legitimate. Have you ever wondered why Obama has spent over 5 million taxpayer dollars to keep his personal history a secret? I’m sure you haven’t….
Augustus
hi, it’s difficult to guess if he will do it, after all the people against it,
even the POPE IS HAVING A NIGHT OF PRAYERS FOR A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION,
it’s strange that he don’t see the consequences of attacking, something is very wrong,
we have to think of the least and the worse scenario, he look happy with his plan if we can call that a plan,
no wander the military are still dying in AFGHANISTAN, THAT WAR IS AN ABOMINATION,
just visit the military hospitals and on top of it they are waiting for their money 5 years back up, while the government spend their money abroad and the IRS is tormenting them ASKING QUESTION UNRELATED TO THEIR TAX, HOW CREEPY IS IT, i HOPE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON,
OBAMA BEFORE YOU START A BILLION DOLLAR WAR, PAY THE VETERANS YOU OWE THEM MONEY,
@Redteam: RW, notice I was correct:
@Redteam: Leave it to a swabbie to misspell Marine Corps.
Y before M?? Do you even know what KISS stands for? Mata does.
Richard Wheeler
how gross OF YOU , you say KISS MY ASS TO FLOPPING ACES REGULARS,
SHAME
@ilovebeeswarzone: You’re as stupid as R.T. Ask Mata what I said.
@Richard Wheeler: @Richard Wheeler:
You gonna keep slurring the U S Navy? I’ve never disrespected the Marine Corps, so I recommend you return the courtesy.
Yes, I know what Kiss stands for and I’m sure Mata does also, We both understand your context.
@Richard Wheeler:
I think it’s funny that you thought you slipped it past everyone, then you get called on it and act stupid. You are acting, right?
Richard Wheeler
I CAN READ, and you cannot change it,
it must have slip from your mind, yes?
it came in single letters hidden between other words,
but you can’t fool us, we found it,
@ilovebeeswarzone: R.T. Frick and Frack the two fools. Ask Mata if she thinks I insulted her.She’s a lot smarter than you two idiots.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, RW thinks he is talking to folks such as the ones he shares political beliefs and think we are as stupid as the ones he normally hangs with. It’s a whole different world when he’s dealing with others on this blog.
RW, you need to get up to speed.
RW, we don’t need to ask Mata, we can think for ourselves. You think you fool anyone?
Richard Wheeler
that was too funny, I couldn’t resist that one,
read Redteam on 189,
it’s worth a good laugh,
bye
DrJ. – Kudos on “Fox Nation”.
Inevitably as Obama “Melts Down” I can’t help but recall the poignancy and compelling sentiment shared in an article written by Leif Babin, a former Navy SEAL Officer, Obama Exploits the Navy SEALs.
Spiking the football is one thing, . . . coughing-up confidential information to aid the enemy is quite another.
A man, with zero experience above community organizing, zero experience in strategic thinking, and zero experience managing anything, is now in charge of making world-changing decisions, as he leads the greatest Nation to do battle in a viper’s nest which he evidently has no capacity to understand. He’s probably even embarrassing those pulling his strings.
Redteam
they must be talking against the CONSERVATIVES like the libs , like to do,
James Raider
he said it so well, some could have been killed for it, his faults are written in his legacy book,
coming soon after he goes,
thank you for this,
their feeling are so important to us here, we follow them in our heart and mind,
they are the greatest of AMERICA CAN PRODUCE,
BYE