Obama’s Chickens Coming Home To Roost
A measure of the effectiveness of foreign policy is the number of attacks on a country’s embassies and foreign-service workers. On Thursday in Yemen, a senior Yemeni official, Kareem Aklan, an employee of the United States Embassy was assassinated on his way to work.
Two men on a motorcycle, drove up next to his car and the passenger opened fire and killed Mr. Aklan. Security officials think the attack is the work of al-Qaeda.
Mr. Aklan had worked at the embassy for twenty years, he was currently working on an investigation into the demonstration/attack last month that breached the outer security perimeter of the embassy.
The demonstration was supposedly a reaction to an obscure video denigrating the prophet Muhammad. There were demonstrations in nearly 20 countries of the Muslim world.
Theses same demonstrations were used by al-Qaeda as a diversion to launch an attack on the consulate in Benghazi, resulting in the death of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans.
Mr. Aklan was the security coordinator for the embassy and the Yemeni government. He had applied for American citizenship.
Although al-Qaeda has not claimed the assassination of Mr. Aklan, they have claimed responsibility for the decapitation of three security soldiers found on Thursday near their security checkpoint near Mareb, a city east of Yemen. The soldiers had been kidnapped from their check-point on Wednesday and returned on Thursday without their heads.
Earlier in the week, al-Qaeda decapitated three other men they accused of spying for Yemeni Intelligence. Their bodies were dumped on different streets in Mareb.
Perhaps the president was premature in declaring the defeat of al-Qaeda and implying that they are on the run to bolster his campaign or maybe al-Qaeda didn’t get the message, but maybe they did get the message.
This pathetic video supposedly inflamed the Middle East, but our president seems to be just as dangerous with his habit of spiking the football after his successful assassinations. Maybe we should just kill al-Qaeda’s leaders and not boast about the deed.
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It would have been highly effective if OBL had been killed, his body hidden and our government started making funof his lack of effectiveness. We could have rolled up a bunch of bad guys and we could have blamed it on agents that had infiltrated the terrorist organizations. There were many things we could have done to destroy terrorist organizations, instead, we “spiked the ball!”
Two men, one armed, riding up a road on a motorbike and killing a person either walking, standing, riding a bike or even in a car.
That has been one of the most common forms of JIHAD against the Buddhists in Thailand for YEARS!
The Muslims from the south probably kill two or three people every couple of days in Thailand in that manner.*
Nothing to do with a Coptic or a video.
The King of Thailand is deeply in debt to some oil kingdom.
The Muslims therefore feel as though they have ”bought” that country.
They have been trying to force Sharia on more and more of Thailand for over ten years.
And men on a motorcycle killing people with either guns or machetes is common.
*2012.10.09 three gunned down this way.
2012.10.08 two killed.
2012.10.05 one killed, one wounded.
2012.10.03 one killed.
2012.10.02 two killed.
2012.10.01 one killed.
2012.09.30 one killed, four wounded.
2012.09.30 one killed two wounded.
ALL BUDDHIST victims.
This pattern continues back for YEARS!
Someone should remind this President that “loose lips sink ships.”
This applies to all endeavours but so much more so when fighting a war. “Spiking footballs” never works out.
@Nan G: #2,
The MSM, and Washington seem to completely ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia continues to serve as the centre of international terrorist financing and the propagation of Islamic extremism . . . hard-core Wahhabism.
Hijaz province with the holy cities of Mecca and Medina is the centre which provides the fuel that spreads throughout the world including North America using a wide network of mosques and madrassas. With Egypt to its North West, Jordan and Iraq to the North, and Yemen, Oman, UAE, etc to the South and South East, it is geographically located ideally to spread hate. This hate distribution began apace half a century ago when a sea of cash swamped the Saudis and their extreme hardline version of Muhammad’s teachings. The Pakistan religious schools sprouting the Taliban were funded by Saudi cash pushing the Wahhabi sect beliefs.
To continue receiving our hundreds of billions of petro-dollars, the Saudis pretend to be active on our war on terror.
Thanks Saudis. Did we bow deeply enough? Did we kiss the hand with enough feeling?
Randy Agree that spiking the ball is a mistake.
Witness “W”‘s “Mission Accomplished” in 03.
@Richard Wheeler: Actually, Rich, that was the Navy not Bush. Research a little more before you shoot off your mouth!
@Richard Wheeler:
Which didn’t mean what you and other lefties claimed it meant. Try being honest for once instead of mindlessly partisan, rich.
@Richard Wheeler:
I suspect that is when “W” was shown in a flight suit on an aircraft carrier. I am thinking back that such was more like “Well done service personnel. Way to go team.” Not “Look at meee! Look at meee! VOTE for me.”
Please do not forget that it was probably money from Saudi Arabia which financed Obama through college, graduate school, Community Activism, the Illinois Senate, the United States Senate, and the Presidency. His bow to the Saudi King was no accident.
This has been documented elsewhere.
To brag about something one has not done is tasteless. To brag about something done while one was playing golf is foolish. Obama is not strong. He is weak.
By the way, where is the Pakistani Doctor who gave us the tip? In jail for the rest of his life. Just how many more tips will that win us? Cooperate with our intelligence and go to jail forever. What an inducement!
And the members of Seal Team Six: they and their families must live in fear for the rest of their lives.
There will be more atrocities in the Middle East. We have been demonstrated to be feckless and defenseless. Al Quaida is alive and well. And they are the base (literally) of the coming Muslim Jihad against all non-Muslims. The Twelfth Prophet is waiting in the hills to reappear. The Muslim Brotherhood will see to it.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Yeah I know the Navy put it up but W jetting in and Texas strutting out in flight suit and helmut was a bit much. BHO might disagree with me.
Why is that, rich? Bush was an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard, he was also the CiC, and a flight suit is the appropriate gear for that transport. So choppering in, while attired in a three piece suit is acceptable, but arriving on a S-3B Viking jet isn’t? Seems rather snobbish and extraordinarily petty…
Personally I love every opportunity to see these tailhook landings on carriers. Just wows me. Any chance to showcase not only our military, their skills, and our equipment suits me just fine. And the nation was treated to that skill too since it covered the landing.
And I’ll bet that the pilot on “Navy One”, who brought him in, was honored and has a memory to last a lifetime.
@Richard Wheeler: Actually, when you are flying in certain aircraft, all of us are encouraged to wear the fire resistant flight suits and the helments are necessary to communicate. As an Army guy, they wanted me to wear the flight suit. Also, remember, he was a pilot! I think you have some of the Big Bird syndrone Rich!
The post is about spiking the football which some people like and some don’t. Both BHO and W spiked it,, certainly more than once. IMHO we got bigger things to worry about than excess testosterone.
That’s a matter of opinion. Obama certainly has spiked, and respiked the volleyball multiple times over UBL. Your opinion is that W spiked the volleyball by arriving in a Viking jet. ???? My opinion is that you are not only wrong, you’re still being petty and disingenuous.
Rich, spiking the football is in itself a bit of showboating; however, as President Obama has been trying to impress on us, we have a very sensitive enemy. Do you think boasting about killing their leaders is almost as offensive to the illiterate Muslim fanatic as a movie he may have never seen?
Not to many Americans are impressed with drone strikes and raids. The assassination is completed and they get a few paragraphs, but making a spectacle of the event may be a grievous mistake, just as it would be if al-Qaeda was bragging about killing one of our generals.
You know it wouldn’t sit too well with our military personnel and they would find a new determination to kill al Qaedas.
@Nan G:
This pattern continues back for 14 centuries …
@Skookum: #14,
This Administration all by itself, from the world’s ultimate PR pulpit – the Oval Office Podium – spread the word repeatedly about this video from day 1, creating furor all on its own, and making sure that millions of Muslims in the Middle East who would never see it could hear that it said something negative against Islam. What a bunch of clowns. Where do any of these actions from the White House make sense?
@Richard Wheeler:
That was “spiking the football”? Pres. Bush was engaging was normal wartime morale boosting for the benefit of the troops. This the sort of thing any effective president should be expected to do.
What Pres. Obama did was different. Pres. Obama celebrated retaliatory homicide.
@Richard Wheeler:
Really rich, when did W spike it?
The banner was set up to celebrate that warship comong home, having completed it’s tour. Folks like you made up the lie it meant the Iraq war was over.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/press-missed-mission-accomplished-meaning-says-bush-staffer/
Let me channel Greg for a moment:
None of you understand. This was not Obama’s fault. It was the stupid terrorists who messed everything up.
This was supposed to be Obama’s October Surprise, a dramatic hostage rescue on the eve of the election, carefully planned in advance at the highest levels of the US Government. Security was removed, warnings scrubbed from the compliant media, video released on schedule, everything was perfect and ready to go… And the stupid terrorists killed the hostages!
I mean, how can Obama win the election if his allies fail to do their part?
If anyone looks back at the substance of the speech President Bush actually delivered in front of that banner, I’d hardly say he was “spiking” the football.
FA had quite a few good posts on the matter. Archived. 😉
You know, this is becoming a talking point on the right which is just as annoying as talking points on the left.
Morriss Saleh, whom Nakoula/Bacile contacted for distribution and Arabic translation, used his Egyptian media contacts to get the Arab version of this video on air at multiple Egyptian stations on Sept 9th. That includes the Salafist Islamist hardliner, Khaled Abdullah. Two days later, the Salafists were at the US embassy wall in Cairo, scaling the walls and tearing down Old Glory.
On the same day, Nakoula/Bacile uploaded the Arab version to YouTube.
Ergo, it was Nakoula/Bacile’s distributor, Saleh, and the Egyptian media first in the days prior to Sept 11th. From there, and also being on YouTube, it spread like wildfire before Sept 11th, culminating in all the protests.
It was not the O’admin who “spread the word”. The idiot in the WH didn’t know about it until the CIA told him after the consulate attack. He’s simply not that astute or engaged in business.
@Richard Wheeler: Rich, gotta say I agree with the majority of push back on your comment of spiking the ball. I remember how offended the Democrats and the MSM where with this one and how they played the same thing over and over and over again. The difference here is that Democrats are cheering BHO and he and his team are spiking the ball over and over and over again and the MSM is eating it up to support him for re-election. Big difference here. The broader picture here is that America endured a terrorist attack this past 9/11 and 0-blama pointed his finger everywhere but at himself and his administration and then lied to cover up their failures. I view this action is disgusting, deplorable, and worthy of investigation and action. If you watch the video of the poor mother who has been lied to in the face by BHO and his team you can’t help but ask why!! And then for Cutter to blame Romney and Ryan is beyond deplorable.
I find many metaphors simple lend to obscuring what people really want to say—this one, in this particular situation, more so. Try saying what you’re really trying to say with “spiking the football”, and maybe you’ll find less vagueness and ambiguity reflected in the responses.
Common Sense and Mata Obama is ultimately responsible for the botched security in Benghazi. He is responsible for his disgraceful performance in the first debate.He’s blown his lead,the momentum is with Romney.
To begrudge him a “spike” on the killing of OBL is “overkill” on the part of Repubs.
Re “W” I travelled extensively in Europe 03-06. His perceived “cowboy diplomacy” was mocked by a LARGE percentage of those I spoke with. Rightly or wrongly the ship landing contributed to this negative image.
Semper Fi
@Richard Wheeler:
The “Mission Accomplished” banner was put on that ship by the sailors who had “accomplished their mission.”
It was not Bush who tried to “spike the football” with that banner, it was the sailors who had earned the right.
It was also fit and proper for Bush to be in a flight suit. Unlike Obama, Bush actually served in our military, and while I realize that you on the left have very little use for our National Guard (they’re just week-end warriors, yada, yada) they have served, and continue to serve, bravely and with honor in foreign theaters.
But Obama, and more loudly, Joe Biden keep saying “Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive.” If that is not spiking the football for political gain, then certainly a banner put on a ship by that ship’s sailors is not, yet the lapdog media went apoplectic over the banner, bashing President Bush every step of the way.
If you want a comparison between the two men, Obama and Bush, and the way they think during an important announcement of victory on the part of our military, I suggest you review both Bush’s announcement that we had captured Saddam Hussein and Obama’s announcement of the death of bin Laden. Count the time Bush says “I, me, my, mine” and then do the same with Obama’s announcement. One is a CIC that is proud of his troops, another is a CIC that wants you to believe that he alone scaled that wall in Abottabad.
Again, I would point you to the visual of Obama sitting in the Situation Room during the Abottabad raid. Notice anything strange? Everyone is in business attire, except for the one guy who had to be pulled from the golf course by Leon Panetta.
So you tell me, which of these are correct:
either Obama was totally unaware that the Abottabad raid was about to happen, so he went off to play golf and then had to be pulled from the course by Panetta for a photo-op or…………………
Obama knew the SEALs were going into the belly of the beast, the operation has a strong possibility of going south quickly since it was in Pakistan close to their equivalent of West Point, and knew the SEALs had already lifted off from Afghanistan, and he chose to go to the links anyway, making him a heartless, uncaring bastard.
Which is it?
Retire 05 “Pakistan’s equivalent of West Point.” Beautiful. You got me smiling bigger than Joe.
The National Guard has done a fine job in Iraq and Afghanistan . In the 60’s we called them the ‘No Go” which is exactly what they were.
Semper Fi
@Richard Wheeler:
If you called our Nationa Guardsmen “No-Go’s” then you only showed your stupidity.
I suggest you read about the Lost Batallion of World War II. Just to let you know who they were, they were the 141st Infantry, 36th Infantry Division.
Learn a little history about the service of our National Guard and perhaps you won’t look so foolish.
@Richard Wheeler:
Yes, Pakistan’s equivalent to West Point:
(CNN) One week ago, the chief of Panistan’s Army Staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, told graduating cadets in the city of Abbottabad that the “back of terrorism” in Pakistan had been broken, thanks to the sacrifices of Pakistan’s soldiers.
Kayani was speaking at the “passing out parade” at the prestigious Kakul military academy in Abbottabad, the West Point of Pakistan.
A headline from CS Monitor also referred to Abbottabas as “Pakistan’s West Point.”
You’re not very informed, are you?
@Richard Wheeler:
I think even Bush agreed about this in his book (mostly regarding the effect and impression the banner had on people’s minds as it related to Iraq).
@retire05:
*cough*shameless plug*cough*
Shall we take this personal and unofficial poll as gospel ? And, in fact, shall we assume that the “LARGER percentage of those” you spoke with would have had an improved opinion of Dubya had he landed in a chopper, decked out in the three piece suit?
Seriously, Rich… clinging to this petty gripe is beneath you. I suggest that those that are annoyed with the jet transportation to an air craft carrier were those of you suffering from 24/7 BDS. And because the liberal media seized on this petty gripe for world news, that “LARGE percentage” of people you met were influenced by the petty gripes of liberals here at home. The herd mentality amongst most humans is strong.
The “America is hated” bit is overrated. We were never loved, or else the 1958 novel, “The Ugly American”, would never have been penned. But we used to be feared and given grudging respect. No more. Not with this POTUS, and a military that is being slashed down to mediocrity.
Maybe I should clarify why I used the term, spiking the volleyball, instead of spiking the football. And that is because the intent is different between the two.
Certainly the admin should have been proud to have gotten UBL, altho I disagree with the diplomatic price that was paid by invading Pakistan’s sovereign territory without their quiet nod of approval. At that moment, just as when an offensive player crosses the goal line, spiking the football is a celebration that is understandable.
However spiking a volleyball is a play designed to ram something down someone’s throat. I find it odd that you, rich, find it distasteful that many conservatives are annoyed at Obama, playing off the UBL moment. Yet it was your peers who literally placed any and all things Sept 11th and WTC off the campaign table for Bush or Guiliani.
Hypocritical much?
Retire o5 During Viet Nam War 23,000+ National Guard called up and 2700 went toV.N. How do you think that compares to The Marine Corps percentages during the same time frame?
Comparing “prestigious” Kagul military acadamy to West Point is like comparing the “elite” Revolutionary Guard to The Navy Seals.
Word Thanks for agreement on the negative effect “the banner” had on people’s minds and impressions. Comments from You, Mata and Aye have certainly made me more of a centrist. I may even bump into MITT ON HIS MAD DASH TO THE CENTER.
note Agree spiking the football an arrogant celebratory act. Considered excessive by many,though certainly not all. Spiking the volleyball is part of the game. A good thing always.
Semper Fi
@MataHarley:
One wonders how many people really understand the term hypocrisy.
No one is perfect, for a perfect human could never engage in hypocrisy. A perfect human understands, and applies, principles equally and effectively, no matter what the situation or issue.
I’d say that most people do try to attain that particular perfection, even as they fail at times to do so. Having sound, consistent principles one lives by, and applies to life, should be a goal of all. Sadly, however, there are still many people who live rather selfishly and superficially, and apply principles differently, given the situation, dependent upon how the situation will benefit them.
And while conservatives are not immune to falling to hypocrisy from time to time, liberal/progressives seem to live their lives by relishing in hypocrisy, telling everyone that “what’s good for the goose isn’t necessarily good for the gander”, so to speak.
I can forgive unknowing, or mistaken hypocrisy, as I succumb to that as much as the next person. What I cannot forgive, or forget, is those who engage in hypocrisy knowing they are applying two or more different sets of rules to the situation, or issue, depending on who, or what, is involved in it.
PS – This is in no way a condemnation of Rich and why you labeled him as hypocritical. This is more a general discussion of hypocrisy itself in relation to politics.
@johngalt:
Does your arm ever get tired from patting yourself on the back so much? Here you are, bloviating on hypocrisy with sweeping nonsense like “liberal/progressives seem to live their lives by relishing in hypocrisy”. Really? Can you prove that, John? Offer any evidence at all? Obviously, the unspoken point of your post is that you are not a hypocrite, but you stand ever vigilant against those who are, and you damn well should be admired for it. Clap Clap. Thank you for the insight into hypocrisy, however unintentionally delivered.
@Tom:
Who’s patting themselves on the back, Tom? Why are you so concerned about when I mention “liberal/progressives”? Is it because you secretly are one, or that you don’t have a clue in the world as to who I mean when I use that term? If you are unsure, then just ask.
Tom Always keeping them honest and accountable,
Mata Think “w” and Rudy got high marks for their handling of 9/11. This was indicated by w’s 90% approval immediately after the attack.
America’s mayor was front runner for Repub. nom in 04 until he unveiled his Fla. strategy and got nothing but a sunburned head.
These guys earned their diminished stature through their performance in the months and years after 9/11.
You’re missing the point, rich. The hypocrisy of it is Obama deserved to spike the football when UBL was killed, and it’s also okay to continue to spike the volleyball, and slam that down the throats for a campaign issue. Trust me, Obama has earned his diminished stature as well, so that’s a separate issue.
On the flip side, your liberal peers and their media made it an unofficial crime to refer to the Sept 11th attacks and aftermath as a volleyball spike.
So why is it okay for a diminished Obama to spike the volleyball, but not okay for a diminished Bush/Giuliani to do the same?
@Richard Wheeler:
Or like comparing the by the Infernal columns in the Vendee during the French Revolution to the Marines on Iwo Gima. Both were aggressive. Both were deadly. Both were some of the most effective troops fielded by their respective republics at their respective times. Beyond that the parallels break down.
T’is a far healthier place to be than on a forced march to Cloward Piven. 😉
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What Pres. Bush did was as worthy as any morale building visit with the troops by any wartime American president.
What Pres. Obama did was akin to the Philistines fastening the fastened body Israeli King Saul to the wall of Bethshan.
Clausowitz would understand … so do the Islamicists.
@Richard Wheeler:
T’is a common but doubtful conjecture.
I recommend: : Bush’s War: Media Bias and Justifications for War in a Terrorist Age
and
Rush to Judgment: George W. Bush, the War on Terror, and His Critics
both are academic works.
Mata Pls clarify Are you DISAGREEING with posters here and saying original football spike and continued volleyball spikes by BHO are acceptable?
As far as Im concerned W and Rudy could spike till their arms ached. Did it help them in their rush to the bottom of the polls? Probably not.
Of Interest I’m getting e-mails from Romney and Ryan. Are they thinking this former BHO precinct captain, this lib/prog. this flaming Marxist has gone soft. Tell me truthfully. Are you guys sending them my moderated posts?
rich, I think all events, failures and accomplishments should be admissible as campaign “evidence”, so to speak. I believe that both Bush and Giuliani should have been able to use Sept 11th since that was part of their leadership days. I also think that Obama should be able to use UBL’s death as that’s part of his leadership days.
I also think that clarification of the record of those events is also fair game. i.e. Obama did *not* end the Iraq war. He failed to extend it, and the Bush/Iraqi SOFA ended that war. He most certainly gave the command for the UBL mission. And while I’m happy that UBL is dead, I do not believe that the trade off in declining Pakistani relations by our invasion into their territory was worth the death. I know I’d be hopping mad if Pakistan invaded our soil to kill one of their enemies. There should have been some quiet, and limited agreements with Pakistani leadership. Obama “out cowboy’ed” Bush, and not in a good way.
Mata I love when the football player, after crossing the goal line,goes directly to the field judge and Hands him the ball “No big deal.I’ve been here before, and expect I’ll be here again?” Ultimate cool.
@Richard Wheeler:
“During Viet Nam war 23,000 National Guard were called up and 2700 went to V.N.”
Well, I don’t know where you get your stats, but although the first number is correct, the 2700 number is shy by 6,000. According to the National Guard’s official website, some 8,700 National Guardsmen were called up and did a tour in Vietnam.
How does that stack up to the Marines? When called, they served, just as all full time military did. And with great honor.
Company D, 151st Infantry was one of the most highly decorated combat units of the Vietnam War. 19 Silver Stars, 1 Soldier’s Medal, 123 Bronze Starts (88 with “V” device for valor), 101 Purple Hearts, 111 Air Medals and 183 Army Commendation Medals (29 with “V” device for valor) in a one year period. No other single Army Infantry unit received as manyt decorations for a one year period of time.
Company D, 151st Infantry was NATIONAL GUARD from Indiana.
So when you turn your nose up at those who serve when called, and with great honor, just because you consider them “lesser” soldiers because they are not full time, you not only shame yourself, you shame those men who fought, and died, just as any career military. National Guard, or Marine, they bleed red and they die. And I dare you to go up to any soldier who has fought, and gave everything he had in Iraq or Afghanistan, and tell him that you think he is a lesser soldier because he belonged to the National Guard.
Oh, one other thing; it was not me who labeled Abbottabad the West Point of Pakistan. It was one of your beloved leftist media outlets; CNN. So I suggest you save your amuzement for them.
I find you to continually becoming more disgusting.
8700 out of 27000 is correct. I’m not negating anyone’s service. It was known in the 60’s that service in The Guard would likely keep one out of V.N. with less than 1/3 actually going. That’s the way it was.
I had a problem with those taking deferments and never serving. I have a problem with those suggesting Dems. are less patriotic than Repubs.
Many on here have a problem with you. Loved your picture.Maybe Aye can send it again around Holloween.
BTW I made a point of praising The Guard’s service in Iraq and Afghanistan.
@Richard Wheeler:
Including Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and Harry Reid? I’ve noticed that you’ve blasted Cheney in the past but none of the other three even though they all had more deferments from VN than he did. I also assume that you never voted for Clinton or the Obama/Biden ticket because their deferments?
@Liberal1 (Objectivity): Will someone please explain spiking the football in 1 syllable words for this poor soul?
@Richard Wheeler: Well, Rich. It seems you can not be right on much. Are you aware that the first unit to beat the OPFOR at the national training site was a national guard unit? Are you aware that the best Army pilots are in the Army National Guard? Are you aware that the best maintenance soldiers are in the Army National Guard? Have you ever served with a National Guard unit since 1975? Maybe you should get you head out of your butt and look around at the way the military works and needs to work in the world today!
@Richard Wheeler: You know Rich, Iserved with a lot of Marines and you are not fit to brush their boots! (The new boots are now brushed, not shined.) I am going to forward you comments to some “real” Marines and let them comment on how you stack up!
@Richard Wheeler:
Oh, so now you say the 8,700 number is correct, as if you are affirming what I said. So, we one one of two possibilities; a) you didn’t know the real number and just pulled the 2,700 out of your lower oriface, or b) or you knew the real number and you diminished the number to make the NG look bad. Which was it?
So many on this board have a problem with me? What are you using this board for, a popularity contest? Sorry, you are not even a runner up. And what do I care what a bunch of anonymous posters on a blog think of me? If you are so worried about what people here think of you, you have some severe problems that I can’t help you with.
As to the picture; it ain’t me. I suspect it’s probably a relative of Aye’s. Sister, perhaps? Either way, it was a crass shot on Aye’s part, but no surprise that you support that kind of crassness. That says more about you than anything I could say.
Randy You do that. I’d be happy to see their responses. Pls remind them I served 13 months as a Platoon Commander and X.O. in V.N. and was awarded a Navy Commendation Medal with combat “V” for Valor. Aye has my DD-214.
Get off your high horse Col. What’s got you so unhinged?
Retire05 I stand corrected on my typo. Thanks
@Richard Wheeler: Keep in mind the Guard made up 19 combat divisions in WWII and mobilized 150,000 for Korea. When you think about those who were in the Guard during the 60’s, there is no doubt that some of their senior NCO’s and officers were Vets from one or both of those wars. I’m well aware that some used the Reserve Components as way out of VN, but making blanket statements about those who served in the RC during a certain period of time in our nation’s history doesn’t do justice to those who perhaps made sacrifices at an earlier time. Not everyone on AD during the 60’s went to VN either. Since you are from California, here is a little bit of history of the California Guard during those two wars.
http://www.militarymuseum.org/CNGWWII.html
http://www.ngef.org/index.asp?bid=112
@Randy: @retire05: @another vet: @Richard Wheeler:
Sadly Richard leaves me with the impression that his contrived denigration of National Guard service is an extension of the ruthless, relentless and cynical political campaign to denigrate Pres. George W. Bush, an effective war president, and thereby replace him with the dubious Lt. John Kerry, the public face for Winter Soldier, the very man who smeared a generation of Vietnam veterans. This is how Pres. Bush earned his diminished stature through a ruthless, relentless and cynical wall-to-wall medial campaign to denigrate a man of uncommon political courage.
First they smeared and denigrated the American veterans who served in Nam. Then they denigrated the American National Guardsmen who did not serve in Nam.
I concluded some long time ago that such destructive behavior is in the final analysis is motivated by the will to power (der Wille zur Macht) .
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BTW Rudy’s Florida strategy failed because of Rudy’s pro-abortion position, not because of his post-9-11 performance.
Rich again shows his egotistical elitism. A while back he said he was better than those who didn’t serve, then tried to walk it back when he caught flack over it. Just tells you who we are dealing with.