I’ve been amazed at some of the support given to Donald Trump from readers and Republicans throughout the country. The man is a joke people. A complete and utter sham. Stop wasting precious time and support for this fraud.
A new poll supposedly shows that he is leading the pack….not so fast:
PPP took a sloppily-designed poll and is spinning it to make Republicans look as crazy as possible. This may be comforting to partisan Democrats (like, say, the people who work at PPP), but there’s no reason for the rest of us to take it seriously.
Mark Levin points out in the below audio how disingenuous it is for anyone to excuse the donations he gave to Democrats because “that’s what all businessmen do.”
Baloney.
February of 2010, as the Tea Party movement gained steam and we were fighting for every vote he gives money to Anthony Weiner. A year before that he gave to Schumer, Hillary Clinton, and Charlie Crist. Levin points out there was no money given to Rubio.
And this is the person Republicans want to get behind.
Insanity.
[audio:https://floppingaces.net/Audio/marklevindonaldtrump041511.mp3]Levin:
…and the storyline that he puts out…we’re all supposed to go gaga for, is that he’s a businessman, he’s got businesses, this is what you do. I don’t understand what that means? That means, did you get something in return for these contributions? Because that’s a crime. So what do you mean, you do these things, this is what a businessman does. What does a businessman do? Make unprincipled contributions to some of the most left-wing losers in the nation who are undermining our country?
This is the new Tea Party candidate?
Why? Because he has the gift of gab? Because he talks tough now?
Explain how any of you can support a guy who says this:
“We must have universal healthcare,” wrote Trump. “I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses.”
The goal of health care reform, wrote Trump, should be a system that looks a lot like Canada. “Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork,” he writes.
The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans. There are fewer medical lawsuits, less loss of labor to sickness, and lower costs to companies paying for the medical care of their employees. If the program were in place in Massachusetts in 1999 it would have reduced administrative costs by $2.5 million. We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.
On top of that he has full blown Bush Derangement Syndrome….I mean the list goes on and on.
As Beck said earlier about the birther argument…please just stop it.
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@Curt:
The political chicken has spoken.
At least I have the balls to stand up for someone than hide behind your lame excuse.
Good night, Curt. The Adults are discussing important matters, time for your bed time.
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So who is running for the Republican ticket right now Ivan?
Yvan, stop bashing the REPUBLICANS,remember we are on their same side of the aisle,
your not helping our cause by doing that all the time,
are you a CONSERVATIVE OR NOT,
KEEP YOUR DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE DEMOCRATS,
you we all have to use our brain and stick with our own family in times specialy that the election campaining are started,
I saw the video of SARAH PALIN AT MADISSON WISCONSIN,
I saw how brlliant she is right there, and she can challenge anybody, If she is in charge this time,
GO SARAH GO
Greg,
What is the difference between taking 14.7% of someone’s net worth vs. 39% of their income?
Tell me how it’s wrong to tax net-worth and not their income.
At least the Kennedy’s would end up paying.
@Curt:
Unofficially? A lot of people and you know it and you know their names.
Officially, no one is who is a “big player”.
But this thread is just another liberal hit-piece on a potential game-changer who is actually taking on the Obama administration, instead of dropping to their knees and politically servicing Obama, Reid and Pelosi (Boehner comes to mind).
But the record shows you sure can attack other people who have the political courage to pick a candidate instead of manning up and declaring which you PREFER right now.
I don’t prefer anyone until I know who is running. I have no idea who will run, who won’t, and I won’t make a decision on who will get my vote until way after that, just as I did on this blog in 2004 and 2008. What you call political courage looks to me like someone who will throw their support behind the flavor of the month.
But you’re right, anyone who throws their support behind a liberal will be called on.
That you believe Trump would not run the business of the federal government with little different tactics of compromise truly makes you the most gullible and stupid of blind devotees. Thanks for proving that to us once again, Ivan.
Actually they embrace Trump as they know losers like you come out in droves to taint the rest of the conservative waters. The one they fear is Palin.
Now @Greg, don’t be bursting Ivan’s fantasy bubble with facts. He’ll just insist Trump’s had an epiphany, throw the weight of his support behind him until Trump, himself, pronounces he can’t find anything he can use against Obama about the BC. Then, should the world move into an alternative universe, he will ultimately disappoint Greg with his compromise deal making as any POTUS. O’healthcare? Get used to it. A Prez Trump… er Chump… loves it. Supports tax increases, just not now. Dumb as a rock on foreign policy.
There won’t be enough prozac or anti-depressants in the nation for the moment when Ivan figures out his hero makes McCain look rabid right. “Potential game changer”… oh my. Only in favor of the Dims.
@Curt:
Trump is not a liberal any more. A liberal wouldn’t be landing such telling blows.
Curt, basically you are claiming that Republicans are rallying around Trump based on a PPP poll (nah, James Carville has no interest in skewing the results). I am surrounded by Republicans, being a former chairperson of my county GOP. I don’t know one person who has expressed support for Trump. And to say that you have been amazed at the support given by “some” Republicans around the country, without naming who that “some” is, sounds more like a left wing statement when they claim “they think this” or “they think that” without ever saying who the “they” are.
So Trump donated to Democrats. And I promise in 2008 you probably voted for “I was for amnesty before I was against it” McCain. Do you really think Trump is any worse than RINO McCain? Please, don’t try to shove that one on us. McCain was the absolutely worst candidate in the history of POTUS elections. And why? Because people like James Carville pumped him up as being someone who could hold on to the Oval Office after Bush left. It was a bill of goods, pimped by the NYTimes and the LASlimes, and lots of primary voters bought it, hook, line and sinker.
You won’t say who you would vote for, and that’s fine. The primaries are a long way off. But if you are even thinking about the retreads being offered, Huckabee and Romney, in particular, sorry, you’re on your own. Frankly, I would rather have a duplicitous, ego maniacal asshat that I know is a duplicitious, ego maniacal asshat than someone who pretends to be a conservative by adopting the mantle of “Maverick” and after he tried to shove amnesty, along with his buddy, the socialist Ted Kennedy, down our throats he then wanted to pretend to be a conservative.
Personally, if Allen West was to throw his hat in the ring, I would work tirelessly to get him elected. Or Paul Ryan. But I suspect that we will, once again, be told how we need to elect someone who is an aisle jumper, you know, to create a “big tent” GOP. Screw that. It didn’t work in 2008 and it ain’t gonna work this time.
Well, I think we’ve already determined your memory is pretty much worthless, Ivan. And that 14% one time tax, anti-flat tax or sales tax, figures into many of his issues via his OnTheIssues 2000 profile.
While you may believe that Trump became a newly remade conservative since his dance with a 2000 presidential run, you’ll find that he shares much in common with Obama in voting “present” on a plethora of other issues… such as energy/oil, the environment.
But he’s a huge “tolerance” and “diversity fan.
Supports assault weapons bans… the trick being just what the meaning of “assault weapon” is.
And you, who has demonstrated zero tolerance for trade agreements, will be appalled to learn that Trump supports trade agreements. Just wants ’em to be “tougher”. Something I said, and you decried – blanketing all trade agreements as “free trade”. He also promised to be both the POTUS and the nation’s trade representative, delegating that to no one.
He’s anti-missile defense, anti Bush/Iraq/Afghanistan, but was for using force on North Korea. oookay. Also, he’d spend taxdollars stockpiling the nation’s bunkers wtih antibiotics against chem attacks. Guess he hasn’t figured out they not only have shelf lives, but new bio terrorist formulas can be developed, meaning you have tons of drugs beyond their life span on the shelves. Really bright bulb there.
You’ll find he “voted present” on a path to citizenship… something else that will bug you. Wants border control, but supports those here that are already contributing by saying ‘we need to take care of those here”.
Don’t know your abortion stance (and don’t care, BTW…) but he’s pro choice. Thinks teenage moms deserve the nation’s help… maybe “..making them live in group homes…”
Last month, he did a monster dodge on Medicare while talking to Cavuto…
Basically, you’re supporting a guy who’s left of McCain, and has mastered voting “present” on issues right along with the guy he ended up supporting the last POTUS election. Oh… but you think he woke up and had an epiphany, that’s right.
Can you say too dumb to vote?
Mata said:
Sorry, Mata, you’re wrong. Trump could do no worse, and has the business experience, to do better. No one could do worse than the current congress which is set to blow-out the deficits to nearly $2 trillion-thus making Nancy Pelosi look like a spend-thrift, if that was at all possible.
You’re the one who is blindly defending the status-quo, Mata. Why is that? You have some soft government pension you coasting to on the tax-payers dime? Or your husband?
Why are you constantly selling your soul to the devil (congress) and defending them?
You’re afraid of Trump because he’s an outsider, not a typical establishment shill which you constantly defend.
@Ivan, #64:
I figure once someone has played by the rules, earned the money, and paid their taxes on it, what’s left is their own, free and clear. Demanding more after that point would be unjust confiscation, not taxation. The rule there should be the same for the poor as the rich.
I’m not even entirely comfortable with the taxation of non-income producing property. Why should a person pay taxes on a home that they’ve worked hard to pay for, for example? Their earnings were previously taxed while they were doing that; they paid for the property with their after-tax income–money that was already their own, free and clear. How do free-and-clear dollars sitting in the bank differ from the same dollars that have changed form into the home where you live?
@MataHarley:
And guess who else, both in 2000 and 2004, was in favor of the Assault Weapons ban, Mata? Come on, I bet you even voted for him.
You know, I bet you even voted for his father, the first President to give us an Assault Weapons Ban, back in 1992. You did, didn’t you, Mata? You voted for gun banners in 1992, 2000 and 2004. Come on, admit it.
Your inconsistencies are so big you could drive FORT KNOX through them.
Let’s face it, at the federal level, gun-control is a losing issue. Obama has even signed legislation LIBERALIZING gun rights, more so than George “Ban Assault Weapons” Bush ever did.
So another Mata “Defender of the status quo” straw-man argument obliterated.
What time you wake up today, Mata? What ever it was, it wasn’t early enough to get by me.
;->
Ivan, INRE the “asssault weapons” ban, your singular brain cell focuses on one item, instead of taking in the full package. Few vote singular issues. However you took a relatively complete profile of Trump, the non conservative, left leaning RINO, and decided to play games with just RKBA. Pathetic…. Your shilling for a man even worse than McCain at this stage of the political game is far more heinous than someone who votes in the general for one of two bad choices. You should be embarrassed. That’s okay… we’re all embarrassed enough for you.
Speaking of pathetic, your judgment of character is about as deplorable as your memory. I wasn’t a huge supporter of Bush in the primaries in 2000, but he was the only choice in the general. And in 1992, you’ve complete missed the target. I helped get Clinton elected because I didn’t want Bush the elder again, and voted for Perot. I did not repeat that error in 1996.
Like Curt says, I don’t have people I’m rooting for at this stage. As you demonstrate all so well, it’s too easy to be duped by those stumping with “just words”
You all bring up some good points. I doubt that I will vote for Trump, (well I say that now, but I’d rather vote for my Border Collie than the current field) but I like the questions Trump brings to the debate. Whether he’s a lib or not, his points on the economy and especially trade need to be listened to. Plus, I think as soon as he found out about the Fuel Air Bombs (MOAB), he’d start dropping them in the mountains of the stans on a regular basis….just saying.
@Greg: @Greg:
Sorry, your defense of the income tax is arbitrary. The rules say the USG can take up to 39% of your money and it’s legal. I can’t believe you’re okay with that theft.
So let’s assume Trump passes a 14.7% wealth tax through congress. Sounds like it would be “LEGAL” for them then to take your money.
Hey, I hate all taxes, some we need, most we don’t, but they are legal and I’m not about to be like you and engage in some semantic hog-wash defense of one over the other.
Here’s your recent wake up call on your psuedo-conservative hero, Trump, and his discussion what Joy Behar April 5th.
Maybe you should start counting the times he says “at this time”, and pay particular attention that he says he agrees with Behar that the evil “rich” wouldn’t miss the extra money they should pay.
@MataHarley:
What rock did you just crawl out from? Did you not see the interview with that MSNBC hen where Trump said he wants to throw on the Chinese a 20% tax on their imports-for a start? Did you not see that?
Or were you on a potty break when he said that NAFTA was causing Americans to lose jobs? Did you not see that?
Look, just about every Republican, except the sooth-saying Buchanan, was for these idiotic trade agreements. Very few, especially the current crop of losers-like Palin, Gingrich, etc.,-have the balls to say we need to re-evaluate these agreements.
At least Trump has had the “come to Jesus moment” that you and yours still haven’t had.
You really need to get away from the computer and learn more about how the average person has been SCREWED OVER by these agreements.
Get out of your country club and meet average Americans, Mata. You need to do this ASAP.
Ivan, you ass. Don’t think you ever woke up, you ol’ codger at 50 something.
Allow me to remind you of a conversation you filed in your pea brain as never taking place… Start with your comment #7, and note how you desperately defend Trump’s “just words” on trade, label every trade agreement as “free trade” and argue with me when I say that all trade agreements are in the details….
Trump’s never done anything in business but compromise to get the deal done. He’s got no history but compromise in his past, and yet you think he’s magically going to conduct business differently as POTUS? Dumber than dirt, you are… and blind to reality. And while tariffs were fiscally fabulous for our nation in it’s first decade, they would be the death of it in a global economy today. Yes… I’ve read Buchanan’s stellar books on American economic history too. But what worked then does not work now.
Country club… heh. Yes, I and my scooter trash buds haunt them daily. LOL Ivan, you’re such an offensive dolt. If lib/progs weren’t embarrassing as fellow Americans enough, you pretty much make them look like good neighbors. It’s idiots like you that I end up having to defend conservatism from lib friends the most. You are the poster child of all that is detestable in the right…. all in one package.
@MataHarley: ,
Man are you slow. Did you see that GE didn’t pay any income taxes? Again, what rock did you crawl out of? How is it that the hyper-phucking-rich always get away with paying proportionately little or no taxes and the average Joe gets NAILED constantly?????
Oh sure, you’ll say,”What they’re doing is legal!”. At that point I’ll just say,”Buy a clue, dummy”, which ever Republican can tap into the anger from the electorate that is seething will defeat Obama.
That is why some shi* like Newt or some half-governor from Alaska who writes on her hand in the most unprofessional manner will never defeat Obama: they are beholden to the powers-to-be which set up this crooked game.
Of course, those who benefit from our governments protection should pay the most-under our progressive tax system (which I wish was replaced in favor of a sales tax). GE gets BILLIONS in bail-outs and doesn’t pay any taxes? BULLSHI* on that.
Again, you’re so far out of touch with reality it is breathtaking. The average voter-and unlike you Trump knows this-if FURIOUS with the bankers and Wall Street PHUCKS getting away with MURDER and not paying a DIME in taxes, like GE. Of course, you’re cool with it. I bet you even cheered when it was announced GE didn’t pay any income taxes. Admit it.
Take that silver spoon out of your mouth, now.
@MataHarley: Ivan, INRE the “asssault weapons” ban, your singular brain cell focuses on one item, instead of taking in the full package.
Mata, I only have to destroy one of you idiotic straw-man arguments to show how pathetic you are. If I did it with all your ludicrous arguments I’d have no time to run my business (Something you probably never did in your life).
You think you can take some shot-gun approach and see what sticks? Sorry, Hausfrau, that dog don’t hunt where I come from.
@MataHarley:
Oh, so this is your way, in your lame manner, to admit I was write and you voted for someone who was apologetically a gun-banner. This is your way of halfheartedly admitting I was correct and you voted for Bush in 2000.
And, Hausfrau, I didn’t ask you if you were a “huge supporter”, I asked you, no, mark that, I correctly ascertained, that you did vote for George “Gun Banner” Bush in 2000.
Oh I get it, it’s okay for you to make mistakes-like voting for Clinton (voting for Perot was voting for Clinton)-but Trump? NO WAY! NO MISTAKES FOR TRUMP!!
“I, MATA, CAN VOTE FOR PEROT, ELECT CLINTON WHO BANNED ASSAULT RIFLES LIKE NO ONE SINCE AND BEFORE, AND I’M OKAY! BUT TRUMP A LONG TIME AGO WANTED TO BAN RIFLES! TO HELL WITH HIM.”
I’ll give you this, it took testes to admit you helped foist Clinton the rapist/gun-banner upon our nation.
That. Took. Balls.
@MataHarley:
Wow, coming from the poster-girl for literacy tests, that’s a bold statement! You vote for Perot (Clinton) and have the audacity to say I’m dumb?
Okay, we have you, who admits to making some fearsomely stupid voting mistakes, and me, who doesn’t regret any vote I’ve made.
You have a history of making stupid decisions-we could say your vote for Perot made you the dumb one-and I don’t.
Go on, call me all the names you want, hausfrau, that will make you feel better, but still not eliminate the mark on your soul of voting for a rapist.
@Greg: Guess what Greg, people pay for corporate stock with after tax dollars, then they pay tax on it when they sell it! Not only that, they pay tak as a corporation on dividends and then pay again when the dividend is distributed to them.
@Ivan: Man are you slow
Oh lawdy… fish in a barrel again. No, Ivan… it’s you who’s apparently the mental slug. Otherwise you and your hero would know that the story about GE and taxes was a hoax, and also even noted by Ed Morrisey over at HotAir.
I guess you had your nose too far up Trump’s butt, and he was enjoying it so much, that neither of you caught the news.
What was that about shooting down a single straw man again? LOL
Look, Ivan, I see you’re too dense to read about a person’s profile and figure out he’s more RINO than McCain. And I can also see you’re far too stupid to hear anything other than what you want to hear in interviews. Most especially paying little attentions to the questions he *doesn’t* want to answer clearly. I may not decide who I want to support this early in the game, but I sure can decide who I will NOT support in the primaries. And Trump is doing nothing but pulling the wool over your eyes.
Personally, I’m starting to really enjoy it. If you weren’t entertaining enough with your crass faux conservatism, you’re a hoot now.
@Ivan: Ivan, you make up history as you go! It was Clinton who banned assualt weapons!
@MataHarley:
I’m sorry, you admit to helping foist Clinton on our nation and have the gonads to rag on me?
Nope, hausfrau, wrong. You’re the one who proudly admits to voting for Clinton’s stooge, Perot.
What’s it like know that you were fooled by the likes of the Arkansas trailer trash while the other 39% of us weren’t’ fooled?
And how do you know you’re not being fooled again? I mean you have a history of being duped, so why not now?
@MataHarley:
I’m sorry, but McCain was far more conservative than the guy you voted for when Clinton first ran.
You’ve lost ALL CREDIBILITY when it comes to lecturing to others about voting for conservatives with your admission you voted for Perot.
It is about time we move to another thread.
@Randy, #84:
My understanding is that they pay taxes on their dividends or their profits when they sell the stock for more than they paid for it. In both cases, what they’re paying taxes on is the new income, not on the previously taxed dollars that they initially invested.
@Randy: Randy says: 86
Randy, it’s past your bedtime and the adults, even though one of them foolishly voted for Perot, are having a conversation.
George Herbert Walker Bush was the first Assault Weapons banner.
But, if you can prove me wrong, I’m all ears.
PS. I’ll destroy you on this one so just go to bed and let the adults talk.
Ivan, the spittle flying on your keyboard and steam from your ears is shortening an already deficient memory. Let me remind you of @ what I said in this same thread in #40
1992 was pretty much the same for me. Didn’t want Bush, didn’t care about Clinton. Either one was a no go for me. Didn’t make a snippet of difference which one got it.
If in 2012, it’s Obama vs Trump, I’ll be looking for Mickey Mouse or John T. Driftwood on the ballot. Because either way, the nation’s going to tank. Trump’s continued belief (as evidenced in the Behar interview) in universal health insurance is the rubber stamp on O’healthcare, and the unreversible slide of this nation economically and socially. If that’s the case, I’ll let Obama take the historic credit for ruining this nation instead of a psuedo-conservative joke like Chump tainting an entire movement with his joke presidency.
You are a fool
(BTW, silver I bought for $17/oz a few months ago was worth $43.20/oz as of last Friday. I guess I should have bought a lot more.)
@Ivan: Ivan, you may be considered an adult by the size of your paunch and age, but physical age does not equal mental age. Here we are dealing with people of a mature mental age. Please check out the assualt weapons ban signed into law by President Willian Jefferson Clinton in 1994 http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/guncontrol/a/assaultban.htm
Ivan, no apology needed. Just please go away or post intelligent comments.
Of course I did. A vote I don’t regret to this day. I had far more antipathy for Al Gore (in 2000) than I did for Clinton (in 1992). My vote was not “for” Clinton, but actually *for* Perot… a man with more business savvy than Trump, BTW…. and against both Clinton and Bush the elder. I wanted neither, so it didn’t matter to me which one got it.
But thanks for against proving your hypocrisy… that you are so schizoid, you don’t even recognize you’re not sanely focused enough to be a GOP shill, but apparently you are if you think it serves your own demented purpose so you can see yourself as being “write”… LOL.
Oh my goodness. You really should get your head out of Trump’s butt and do more reading before commenting. Why don’t you refresh that deplorable memory of yours on Perot, then go tap into McCain’s ’08 issues site, then let us know how much more conservative McCain was. You might want to pay particular attention to Perot’s immigration and trade issues. sigh…
Sorry, group… my patience for “stoooopidity” (a spelling Ivan might phonetically recognize as a word) wears thin.
@MataHarley: @MataHarley:
Just quit it, will you? Your disgusting, bathroom insults are something one would find at Democratic Underground or Daily KOS.
I could care less if you call me dumb (funny that coming from a Perot voter), but trying to keep your filthy mouth (keyboard) out of the gutter. Got that?
@MataHarley:
Yeah, I stayed above the childish,”You meant right and you said ‘write'” inanity, but you couldn’t help yourself.
Sigh. Well, we’ve seen that you’ve exhausted your mental gymnastics by lowering yourself to talking like a sailor or picking on fast-typing mistakes.
Good night, Mata, it was fun!
;->
@Randy: @Randy:
Hey retard, I warned you to go to bed and not bother us adults.
President George Bush in 1989 BANNED the importation of some 50+ assault weapons.
DUH.
Now, off to bed, sonny.
@MataHarley:
Stupid is, as stupid does.
People like you with your kay sera sera voting attitude don’t belong anywhere near a voting booth.
Typical hausfrau.
Yo… brown noser. Figured out that Perot’s political issue stands makes your Chump, Trump, look ever so slightly to the right of Obama yet? Or still learning how to read last month’s news?
Oh yes, nothing *QUE* sera sera about my 1992 vote. I wanted Perot. That is my voting right. Most especially when I don’t like the other two. But that Constitutional right may be just above you, and your ability to spell “Constitution”… or “right” or “Que”.
Or were they all typing errors, oh Mr. Dim Bulb?
@Ivan: Ivan, please note the words with capital letters. Assualt Weapons Ban That means it is an official act, not a separat action. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your display of it!
Ivan,
In the unlikely event that Trump did go 3rd party, would you cast your vote for him?
@thebronze #2:
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@Aqua #36:
I agree with MataHarley that this issue is a distraction that only benefits Obama. Not hurts him. In my opinion, he wants to keep the issue alive because it makes our side look like kooks to those in the squishy center.
@retire05 #69:
Did more conservatives sit out the ’08 election than cast their votes? What uber-conservative candidate would have won in ’08 against Obama- 1st “African”-American president- out of the pick of the litter fielded during the primaries?
What the hell do you want? Your choice for now. A community welfare seeker or a casino operartor?
Why Trump is no Ross Perot
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/why-trump-no-ross-perot
Philip Klein pretty much calls it as He sees it. I concur. It is still early in the time frame for the Campaign and the Speculators are generally wrong this early. While we’re at it anyone want to predict the winner of the 2012 Kentucky Derby?
@Wordsmith, what may be the more interesting question is if Ivan voted for his conservative icon, Pat Buchanan, and the Reform Party in 2000. Or does he only pay lip service to his conservative heros?
@oil guy from alberta, short answer? Neither. Trump’s face time and appeal would disappear if the MSM got a clue, and started pumping him on how he’d deal with the universal healthcare/o’healthcare he supports, and any repeal that shows up on the POTUS desk. Take careful note, he does not broach that subject in his interviews willingly.
@Old Trooper 2, Perot was “tea party” before there was a tea party. Actually, it’s almost prescient, reading his issue platforms back then.
Trouble is, he was also wacko. Since he was well in the lead over both Clinton and Bush, I think he got cold feet thinking he might actually win. Reality is, the closest Bush got in the polls to Clinton was 6 points down after a convention bump. After that, he was a double digit loser thru to the election. Exit polls following the election showed that with Perot’s re’entry, and in a three way race, Bush was still down 11%. In a two way race with Clinton, he was down 13% to Clinton. Perot siphoned off both parties, not just the GOP.
While we can’t effectively see a parallel universe with any certainty, electoral analysts say Bush wouldn’t have won that election under any circumstance. It was one of those years, like many, where the choices between clown to the left and joker to the right were simply unpalatable to so many.
The ups and downs of ensuing history showed that Clinton’s term and the never ending Dem majorities in both chambers of Congress gave us Newt and the midterm turnover. Then, of course, they blew it too.
But of couse, there is yet to be a Congress or POTUS in the past century that hasn’t upped spending and debt every Congressional session. Both parties are addicted to spending other people’s money. So it’s quite disingenuous for the Ivan’s of the world to put the onus on a single party… especially one who’s only held the House majority 9 sessions out of 39 total Congressional sessions since the New Deal era.
But then, Ivan doesn’t like the Dems, detests the GOP, considers Buchanan to be the conservative poster boy and is a Trump’s chump. But he also rails against voting 3rd party.
Reconcile that, and all you get is a bitter, unfocused man with no solutions, who simply likes to listen to himself whine.
Sunday Methodist sermon Quote from J.C. on Good Thursday “If you puff yourself up too much you will get the wind knocked out of you.” As a moderate Dem. I’ve always considered Word and Mata the most rational and intelligent voices of Conservatism at F.A. They say Trump is a chump. Nuf said
Exit Q. Where’s A.C.?
YES where is AYE CHIUHAHUA, I was thinking the same, lately.
@MataHarley:
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make to Ivan. As well as his hypocrisy. You simply cannot lambast the other commenters here for making posts criticizing Obama and the dems, and who do not comment directly on the GOP’s failures, by only blasting the GOP, and not giving criticism against the left, as Ivan has done. He rails against conservatives blaming Obama and disregarding the GOP, while he rails against the GOP and disregards Obama. Doesn’t work that way.
And, as a semi-apologetic move on my part for various posters here, I haven’t heard any of them state, in absolution, that Obama and the dems, and ONLY Obama and the dems, are responsible for the current economic mess our country is in.
Yvan, you hit the 100 comment, that’s what you where after all along, we gave it to you,
now behave. like a CONSERVATIVE, TOLERANCE AND CLASS. that’s what you find here,
only the NON CONSERVATIVES MAKE TROUBLE HERE AT FA
Donald Trump = Ross Perot = Obama re-elected in 2012.
I suspect that Trump is an Alexrod plant and that he stands in line to make a bundle after the election, just like Imhelt.
Paul Is Alexrod playing for the Yankees? Just kidding. Don’t think “The Donald” a Dem. plant, just a belligerant narcissist, who’ll drop out early, crying foul like most bullies. He won’t run as Indie.
@MataHarley:
Yeah, I was wondering about his own track record on voting for president in past elections.
@rich wheeler:
I have a hard time believing he’d even seriously run for president, period.
If he does, maybe Vince McMahon (or wife Linda, who did run for Senate last yr and might again) should be his VP….*snicker*
Yup, real presidential material here…very dignified…much more preferable to Beltway Republican clowns.