Restoring Honor Rally 2010 Video – Glenn Beck & More

DONALD BLY: hi,well said as usual, I have a thought{sometimes I do} about your QUESTION,
if the UNIVERSE is expanding, and what is it expanding in to?
MY answer is expanding into a collector of humans nano garbage, and to fit with the expansion of humanity and his needs on earth which doesnt expand regardless of the demand to do so?
good question of yours. bye

@Anticrocks

My, my, my aren’t you full of yourself? But don’t be too hasty in your glee thinking that you are all that and a bag of chips. You aren’t.

I’m gleeful because you are like a worm wriggling on a hook – skewered by your own words. The more you wriggle the worst you make it for yourself and your sanctimonious claptrap you spou:)

First of all, Donald Bly answered number 1 from above in his post #143:

Donald reply is irrelevant – as I was asking for your opinion as well. As we know Christians can’t agree amongst themselves when it comes to the Old Testament. I can’t assume you have the identical view as your tag-team buddy.

Let me further elaborate: The Bible is a history book, so therefore it tells the events of its day

The Bible belongs in the fiction part of a library not history. No doubt some events echo certain true historical events but a lot of it is myth. Do you really believe that God making the universe in 6 days is a true historical event, or that a guy called Noah had all the animals in an ark? Show me the collaborative historical evidence that the first born of Egypt died? How come the Egyptians at that time forgot to mention such a calamity? lol

Before the Bible there was ample evidence of greed, avarice, idolatry, murder, lust, vengeance, etc…, and it was the Bible that delivered a new doctrine to mankind.

And the events according to the Bible show a nasty vengeful God who commits and encourages genocide. Do you believe the God of the OT is not the same God of the NT? And we are talking about Judeo-Christian belief system here. So the OT is relevant as much as Christian try to brush it under the carpet. So I’ll ask again…

If Christianity believe all life is sacred then why is there so much genocide and murder in the Bible as I have outlined?

As for number 2, I did answer that. But you prove once again that your liberal viewpoint forces you to go through life with blinders on. Let me point out my answer:

If you don’t understand that the Jewish people are God’s chosen ones, then I can’t help you.

And I shan’t elaborate on this point. It would take up too much time and in the end you would not understand it.

Of course you don’t want to elaborate – because you are contradicting yourself! If God has chosen one people over another – where other people may be killed because they are not the chosen ones – then God has plainly feels that life of the Jews are worth more than other human’s life here on Earth – in this case poor innocent Egyptian children. But keep wriggling 😆

Anyway I’ll ask again…

Why weren’t the Egyptian first born lives treated as sacred?

You did not understand that Luke 19 is a parable and a parable is a story. Jesus did not utter those words in his own name, he was explaining what the king in the story ordered. Now whether this was a real king or a fictitious one, who knows? So go ahead and draw any analogy you wish

Oh I understand alright. Jesus could have given that parable without mentioning that the King wanted to slay his enemies but he added it. He condons the King’s actions. But keep wriggling 😆

You do not understand that chivalry means you are giving someone (in the case of the sinking ship) the gift of your place on the lifeboat. It does not mean you think you are worth less, if anything one might feel that they are answering a higher calling by letting the weaker and younger go in their place. As I said, your interpretation and actual question itself shows that you have no concept of chivalry or honor.

The man giving up his life may have little choice in the matter. Whether he chooses to willingly give up his place for a woman or not – it plainly shows when it comes to life and death that his life is more expendable that the woman. And with the Titantic – it was rich who got preferable treatment and many of the poorer passengers died. Do you think that was chivalry? No their lives were considered less than the rich. Things may have cahnged to a degree since but in reality human lives aren’t worth the sameBut keep wriggling 😆

In the war and capital punishment examples, it shows no such thing when you allude that my answers mean that some lives are worth more. In capital punishment, the society is saying that when you commit a crime so heinous as to become a permanent threat to that society, then you must pay the ultimate price to protect all the other lives in the society; and to be a deterrent to others that might commit similar crimes. Honestly, this concept is not that hard.

Oh I understand why a condemned man dies – but that’s not the point. Clearly his life is considered less worth than an innocent man because of what he did. To say otherwise is plain wrong.But keep wriggling 😆

In war, you are saying the same thing, only on a larger scale. Need I remind you that Japan attacked us? Had they not attacked us, we would not have dropped Fat Man and Little Boy on them. Therefore ending the war with the two atomic weapons saved lives on both sides because the fanaticism that was running feudal Japan would not accept defeat or surrender in normal circumstances. Even after the first bomb, they did not want to surrender.

Oh I understand why US dropped the bomb – but that’s not the point. We can argue whether dropping the bomb saved more live or not – but if the choice was between saving more lives but having more US servicemen killed then the bomb will still have been dropped. So at the end of the day – a combatant treats the lives of it’s own soldiers as having more worth than the enemies.But keep wriggling 😆

As far as my life being worth more than a citizen from another country, well you will just have to accept the fact that when a band of people get together and form a society that is so large, it is called a country, then those people expect that country to protect them. Again, sorry if this is hard for you.

Classic:) Again you miss the point. Oh I understand why countries protect their own citizens. Again it shows that a country treats it own citizens lives as worth more than other citizens from other country.But keep wriggling 😆

Now does my family think I am worth more than someone else? Gee, I kinda hope so; but you see, you fail to get the point that TO THEM, I am worth more.

So again you agree and further shoot your own argument in the foot – to your family you are worth more than most other people! 😆

Doesn’t mean I am worth more or less in the grand scheme of things. Again, you took a specific example and tried to apply the overall societal philosophy that all life is precious

What grand scheme of things? First your original question didn’t specify context or point of view (even though I asked) Secondly there is no grand scheme of things. Of course you believe in a God and I don’t. So if you meant ‘Do you feel that God considers your life is worth more or less than any other human’s life here on Earth?’ then that’s a pretty stupid question when asking someone who doesn’t believe in God. Tell me – do you feel that the Flying Spaghetti Monster considers your life is worth more or less than any other human’s life here on Earth? 🙄

Also I have shown that your God using your own holy book does treat humans and their lives differently. He has his own chosen people. He gives people free will and then he supposedly intervenes in some cases and not in most others. And he doesn’t treat life as precious as he kills thousands of people including innocent babies and infants.

As for the Romans and the Greeks, well they did not have the Judea-Christian value system, but they had philosophers that were (pardon the pun) thinking outside the box. That is why they ventured into and toyed with the idea of a TMO. They did not call it that, but they were playing with the idea that a society needed firm rules to function without chaos.

Oh please – let me know what the firm rules for the TMO is. Let’s see how firm and transparent they are.

Now, tell me again – what did you prove?

So with your own help I have proven that humans lives, depending on context and who’s perspective, are worth more and less than other humans. Whether this be individually or at a national level. And even from God – judging by the Bible does not treat all humans lives as equal worth. The other question, which you somehow got tangled in – are all human lives precious – again similar outcome. There are certain situations when human lives aren’t so precious that they deserve death. And again God as depicted in the Bible – doesn’t view life as so precious that some people don’t deserve death.

Thanks again for your help. But keep wriggling 😆

BTW, it is I who alluded to pushing Gaffa’s buttons, not the other way around, lol. Really his replies are so easy to predict.

Well as you believe in a mythical being without any scientific evidence – maybe you have predictive skills unknown to us mere mortals. Tell me what the first sentence of my next reply will contain.

“I believe with all my heart that standing up for America means standing up for the God who has so blessed our land. We need God’s help to guide our nation through stormy seas. But we can’t expect Him to protect America in a crisis if we just leave Him over on the shelf in our day-to-day living.”

Ronald Reagan

Well Gaffa, you fell for it. I forced you to abandon – abeit for only one post – your far left, ideologically driven mish mash.

It is just too bad that you cherry picked that Reagan quote just like you cherry pick Bible verses; but hey, I’ll take what I can get.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too easy. 😆 😆 😆

GAFFA UK: hi, I see that you did not miss a chance to promote your political view,
IT so clear that I had to come and tell you that you cannot take people for ignorants,
bye

Shake the dust…. Shake the dust!

Gaffa, I really get your panties in a bunch. LOL

You cannot touch my statement about the Transcendent Moral Order, so you fall back to an Alinsky tactic of trying to dissemble and talk off topic.

It really is like pushing buttons……. 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

GAFFA UK: hi, THERE are things that you cannot see, but they exist just like GOD,
CAN you see your thought, can you see your soul can you see your voice,
CAN you see your feeling, can you see your dream,yes but can you see where they are positioned,
CAN you see your fear?, can you see GOD, no but we know HE is there,but you have refuse that. I respect your beleifs, now IT”S for you to respect the others beleif in GOD as the only CREATOR of all things. dont judge if you dont want to be judge. bye

Agreed, ilovebees and well said. Kudos to you.

Glenn Beck is a populist, but the ideals he is espousing are, to a large part what the Tea Party is all about. At least he is doing good with his populism.

And don’t worry, bees – Gaffa keeps proving his ineptitude and ignorance with every post. I shall leave him alone.

@ilovebees

Oh I respect people to have the opportunity to believe in whatever they want to believe in – whether it’s christians, muslim, jewish, pagans, jedi – whatever – but also let’s all respect freedom of speech. Just as we are free to mock Obama – we free to mock Beck and his motives.

dont judge if you dont want to be judge

This is where Beck makes his money by judging others! If Beck wants America to turn to God when is he (a divorced and remarried man) going to the same and actually follow what it says in the Bible?

He said to them, ‘Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.’

Mark 10:11-12

And does he want America to turn to a Mormon God?

@Antics

And don’t worry, bees – Gaffa keeps proving his ineptitude and ignorance with every post. I shall leave him alone.

Hallelujah – your bs campaign has failed. I guess you couldn’t defend your ignorance of science about claiming sub-atomic particles and anti-matter is only theory. Or your ineptitude with logic claiming that the Old Testament is irrelevant to discussions on Judeo-Christian values – despite the fact it condons the murder of innocent infants.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too easy. 😆 😆 😆

@MataHarley

Gaffa, dude… you’ve waded in waaaaaay too far into waters over your head. The Mormon God is the same as the Christian God. duh wuh….

Accept I didn’t say a Mormon God was different to a Christian God did I? Refering to the version of God that the Mormons believe and calling him a Mormon God is perfectly acceptable. Although Joseph Smith receiving engraved golden plates from an Angel in New York is as fanciful as a guy coming down a mountain with stone tablets of engraved commanments from God. What next – maybe God will send down new scriptures on 2 ipads?;)

And while no one here… including me… is interested in debating the relationship and relevance between the Old and New Testament with you

Well Antics and Donald were but they gave up when they couldn’t explain why the same God in the OT is such an unpleasant murderer of innocent children. I guess you don’t want to discuss the indefensible huh?

I will tell you that this entire conversation (which unfortunately still lands in my email box….) shows you are also suffering from the same affliction as the self-annointed, Google educated Islam/Qu’ran Sheiks here. They don’t have seminary schools for all religions, plus have their students become proficient in the multiple languages or order of construction of the various religious books (i.e. Bible Old & New, Qu’ran, Torah and Book of Mormon), for nothing. You can pull out phrases here and there, but it’s like reading a few paragraphs of Gone with the Wind, or the Brothers Karamazov, then assuming you’ve got a handle on the plot.

Free speech. You don’t need to be an expert to have an opinion. I’ll shut up about religion when everyone on here shuts up about climate change (unless they are an expert climatologist) or shuts up about politics (unless they are a full time politician in power). lol

@Aye

I see that you’re still embarrassing yourself by selectively clipping and snipping scriptures so that they fit your own demented purposes

You mean the Bible contradicts itself???? Colour me shocked! 🙄

Clear instructions to judge, and correct, others but Christians are not to judge others in a hypocritical fashion.

Would you like me to list Antics hypocrisy on this thread for ya? Or would you prefers me to show hypocrisy of Beck?

As to the divorce issue, we “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” in some fashion or another. Fortunately, repentance of sin and belief in Christ washes away those errors of the past and allows us to be new creations.

Divorce is unfortunate – but for the Bible to condemn it just mean. However to divorce someone and marry someone else – isn’t for most people just a spur of the moment ‘sin’ – but actively sinning. Beck is still married to his 2nd wife – so that’s hardly being repentent is it?

@Anticrocks
On the canvas and out for the count;)