77 Responses to Black Panther Party calls for bloodshed [Reader Post]

  1. Keyser Söze says: 1

    In the early 1860′s, the Democrats were feeling their oats and convinced themselves a win was possible if they went to war against America. Well…we all know how well that little escapade worked for them…they had their ass handed to them.

    The population of America, according to the 1860 census stood at just over 31,000,000. With about 620,000 dead as a result of the Civil War, these casualties represent a 2% loss of the whole American population at that time. If a conflict of the same magnitude were to occur today, the advancements in weaponry since the 1860′s would no doubt push those percentile casualties into the high 30 to low 40 percentile range.

    The irony here will lay at the feet of Obama and his minions…thinking his narcissism will win the day for a proven failed ideology, which will result in an extinction event for he and his followers.

    History will not be kind.

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  2. FedUp says: 2

    I find it disturbing that Eric Holder is so busy waging war against the States for voter ID and immigration laws that he can’t be bothered to take on this overt, violent, act of terrorism. Guess that doesn’t count if you non-white. Sad… Can’t wait until January 2013!

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  3. disenchanted says: 3

    Remember holder already made the comment that no black person would be prosecuted.

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  4. Common Sense says: 4

    Time to buy a new gun, more ammo, and re load. America can NOT tolerate this racist activity. If 0-bama and Holder won’t do anything about their black brothers terrorism someone MUST!!

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  5. Buffalobob says: 5

    Nice uniforms. If I extrapolate obama’s rank from the rank of Major this nitwit is wearing, that would make obama the imperial emperor wizard.

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  6. Tom says: 6

    We’re hearing about Neo-Nazis patrolling Sanford but we’re not going to hear about the NBPP from the left wing media.

    Well, except for here.
    or here
    or here
    or here
    or here
    or here

    and on and on and on.

    Another day, another assertion from Dr J that is entirely unsubstantiated, and in this case, easily disproved. You do realize that the Google News returns on the bounty story absolutely dwarf the search returns of the Neo Nazis in Sanford story, right? It’s pretty easy to do, just visit Google and see for yourself.

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  7. drjohn says: 7

    @Tom: Which of those outlets has published either the first audio or the second video?

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  8. Aye says: 8

    @drjohn:

    Errr… The second video has the CNN logo plastered in the lower right corner.

    Unless, of course, you’re now going to claim that CNN is not part of the “left wing media” then your very own source debunks your theory.

    Don’t you just hate it when that happens?

    Also, you do realize that the Sanford Police Department has refuted the notion that Neo-Nazis are patrolling the streets there right? Of course, your very own linked source notes that.

    Yet, you published that reckless drivel anyway.

    Who, precisely, is stoking the flames again?

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  9. drjohn says: 9

    @Aye: The first thing up there is an audio. It’s called that because there is no video. The second video (they have moving pictures) is the bottom one- from O’Reilly.

    And what was that I said? We are hearing about Neo-Nazis patrolling Sanford? Are we not?

    Now, you were saying?

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  10. UpChuck.Liberals says: 10

    Please remember, that our Beloved Leader, President for Life, the Dear One said that he wanted a civilian ‘army’. He said this, I believe, either during his campaign or just after he was ‘elected’. Apparently he wasn’t happy with simply enforcing the Constitution and the Amendments as presented therein. I do believe that we’re entering a Tango rich enviorment.

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  11. Aye says: 11

    @drjohn:

    Ah yes… more semantics games from Dr J… Of course, there’s not really any way to verify your “no video” claims because now the video/audio has been pulled from YouTube.

    But, that’s okay… If you wanna play semantics games, we can play those games.

    Here are some questions for you (I tried to keep them simple since you seem to do better with simple.):

    1) Does the CNN logo appear in the bottom right hand corner of the center YouTube clip above?

    2) Does the presence of the CNN logo in the bottom right hand corner of the center YouTube clip above prove or refute your claim that “we’re not going to hear about the NBPP from the left wing media”?

    3) When you engage in the publication of outright falsehoods (as you indisputably did in your post above) how, precisely, is your behavior any better or more palatable than that of the Main Stream (or “left wing”) Media with their edited tapes or false stories or other supposed bias that you so frequently like to decry?

    And I never claimed that you said anything other than “we’re hearing” about Neo-Nazis in Florida. Please feel free to re-read what I wrote at your leisure.

    I did, however, point out that it was reckless to not make it clear that those stories have already been soundly debunked. It was irresponsible too although I didn’t point that out until now.

    But, it’s harder to gin up outrage when you admit on the front side that the stories have been proven false. Right?

    It’s also hard to gin up outrage when your very own source material debunks the evil “left-wing media” meme you were trying to feed.

    Don’t you just hate it when that happens?

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  12. Tom says: 12

    @drjohn:

    You do realize my cursory google news search for “new black panthers bounty” returned literally thousands of news items, and I only posted a small sample, right? Now you’re attempting to change the parameters of the discussion by narrowing your definition of “coverage” to two specific items? Knock yourself out. I’m sure it’s out there (and I’m sure when you find it, you won’t post it). As for what your original post actually stated, I reiterate that there are many examples of coverage of this story, including prime time CNN coverage, that you can easily find. I can’t spend any more of my time attempting to show you how to use a computer. Please go to Google (or your preferred search engine) and do your own homework, preferably before you blog about something you clearly haven’t looked in to just to make a cheap point.

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  13. Aye says: 13

    @Tom:

    Dr J is not even remotely interested in the truth Tom and, quite frankly, I’m not sure that he ever has been.

    His mask has slipped and the hell-bent “do or die” determination toward furthering an agenda has now become crystal clear.

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  14. johngalt says: 14

    The OP has one very strong point to consider. Obama could very easily defuse the situation by admonishing the NBPP to stand down. The NBPP is engaging in lawless behaviour, regardless of how one believes Zimmerman or Martin behaved on the night Martin was killed. Obama is the President of the entire US, not just the blacks or liberals.

    As a political move, it would be genius to do so, alleviating a common perception, on the right, that Obama and his admin are preferential to the black community(a nice way of saying they are racist).

    Why he doesn’t is anyone’s guess, and unless, and until, he addresses it, his action on racial issues speaks for itself.

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  15. drjohn says: 15

    @Tom:

    Are you and Aye really the same pissy person?

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  16. drjohn says: 16

    @Aye: Pissy.

    Aye, you must have one strong neck to hold such a big head and halo.

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  17. Hard Right says: 17

    @Aye:

    I saw the same thing on the Trayvon shooting, Aye.
    I will give him this, he sure has lively threads.

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  18. drjohn says: 18

    @Aye:

    In a stunning piece of audio posted at Breitbart.com Sunday, members of the New Black Panther Party reportedly engaged in violent, racist, hate filled speech, calling for a violent race war and the end of capitalism during a “day of action” scheduled for April 9th.

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/audio-new-black-panther-party-reportedly-planning-violence-race-war

    What’d ya know about that?

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  19. Aye says: 19

    Dr J’s erudite responses:

    Are you and Aye really the same pissy person?

    Pissy.

    Translation: Dammit! The two of them made me look like a complete fool on my own post and there’s not an effing thing I can say to defend myself. Dammit! Quick…let me call ‘em “pissy”.

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  20. Nan G says: 20

    I looked all over for any proof that ”Neo-Nazis are patrolling” in Sanford, FLA.
    If anyone has such proof, video or audio, I’d be interested in seeing it.
    You’d think it would be BIG news.
    IF it were true.

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  21. Aye says: 21

    @drjohn:

    What’d ya know about that?

    And your point is what precisely?

    Surely you’re not trying to claim that audio released by Breitbart wasn’t dubbed in as the sound for a video clip that you later posted here at FA are you? Surely not.

    Are you posting an examiner.com article with a transcript to somehow pull your cajones out of the fire now that your first clip has been yanked by YouTube? Nah…surely not.

    You’re really not very good at this.

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  22. drjohn says: 22

    @Aye: It was an audio. The Examiner called it an audio too. But then, I have them colluding with me.

    You do know at this point you’re looking ridiculous, right?

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  23. Ivan says: 23

    @Aye:

    Unless, of course, you’re now going to claim that CNN is not part of the “left wing media” then your very own source debunks your theory.

    Don’t you just hate it when that happens?

    What a vituperative individual you are, Aye.

    Part of me enjoys watching Rhinos and Neocons consume themselves with hatred: it’s soooo much fun.

    But then there is part of me which intensely dislikes the “Know-it-all” of FA; Aye.

    So I guess I should say,”Have at him, DJ!!!”

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  24. Ivan says: 24

    @Aye:

    And I never claimed that you said anything other than “we’re hearing” about Neo-Nazis in Florida. Please feel free to re-read what I wrote at your leisure.

    Honestly, did you take smat-a$$ pills this morning, Aye? You really out did yourself in the bold.

    Wow, you are really mean.

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  25. Ivan says: 25

    @Aye

    : Are you posting an examiner.com article with a transcript to somehow pull your cajones out of the fire now that your first clip has been yanked by YouTube? Nah…surely not.

    You’re really not very good at this.

    I take it back. This quote of yours is the best. Aye, you seem to be in a very, very bad mood. Does it have anything to do with your failure to admit you were on the wrong side initially of the Martin/Zimmerman debate?

    You have the vitriol of an Obama liberal down pat. Pure hatred.

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  26. drjohn says: 26

    I am not going to address the veracity of this group or person but here is a newswoman who claims to have spoken with the group’s leader

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyzDgsi5dIU&feature=player_embedded

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  27. Ivan says: 27

    @drjohn:

    You do know at this point you’re looking ridiculous, right?

    DJ,

    He’s been looking horrid for a while now. He stood up for Martin, the Oxygen thief, and is taking his hurt feelings out on you.

    Aye is the type who never, ever admits he is wrong.

    I’ll hang his support for Martin, the drug dealer, around his neck like a noose.

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  28. Aye says: 28

    @drjohn:

    It was an audio.

    Uh huh… Prove it Doc.

    Since just yesterday you admitted that you’ve posted at least one falsehood and, today, in this very post, you you got caught telling another it’s critical that we now approach everything you write with a very healthy level of skepticism.

    If anyone’s looking ridiculous here it’s you…the guy with the shovel…who keeps right on digging.

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  29. drjohn says: 29

    @Aye: Like I said, the Examiner described it as an audio. If you can’t believe your own lying eyes you’re beyond our aid.

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  30. drjohn says: 30

    @Aye:

    Try here.

    It’s an audio.

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  31. Ivan says: 31

    @Aye:

    If anyone’s looking ridiculous here it’s you…the guy with the shovel…who keeps right on digging.

    That would be you, Aye.

    ;-)

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  32. Ivan says: 32

    @Aye:

    Dammit! Quick…let me call ‘em “pissy”.

    Give it up already. You’re looking like a bigger fool than even I could dream you could be.

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  33. Aye says: 33

    @drjohn:

    Like I said, the Examiner described it as an audio.

    The Examiner described the very same YouTube clip that you posted above as an “audio”? Really? Show me where the Examiner specifically said that your YouTube clip was an “audio”.

    Actually, don’t waste any more of my time on this because the Examiner didn’t address your clip. What you posted was a separate file duplicated and uploaded by a person or entity other than the Examiner.

    Oh, and posting stuff from The Blaze doesn’t help either because, again, the audio they’re referring to could very well have been attached to anything and then uploaded to YouTube.

    You wanted to play semantics games and now that desire has jumped up and bitten you on the azz.

    Sucks to be you, eh?

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  34. Ivan says: 34

    @drjohn:

    The audio supports DJ’s case. Aye is wrong, DJ is correct.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot: Aye is politically in bed with the NBPP as he believes that the drug dealer Martin was unjustly shot.

    Shame on you, Aye.

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  35. Ivan says: 35

    @Aye:

    You wanted to play semantics games and now that desire has jumped up and bitten you on the azz.

    Aye,

    Do you still contend that the shooting of the drug dealer, Martin, was unjust? Do you support the NBPP’s call for a race-war?

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  36. Nan G says: 36

    Look.
    We’ve all seen small and/or disorganized countries failing to protect their own people from their lawless rabble and gangs and cartels and thugs.
    Mexico comes to mind.
    But Alabama?

    A truck hauling a portable cabin rounded a curve and kicked up some gravel which hit a motorcycle driver.
    He tried to break the cabin’s window and/or get into the portable cabin.
    He also called up all his motorcycle gang buddies.
    Armed, they tried to get the driver who drove to a busy intersection instead of stopping on an isolated road.
    They still knifed him.
    But police won’t do a thing.
    The Adamsville Police Department told the injured white man, we “don’t mess with the Outcasts of Alabama.”
    The Outcasts of Alabama are a black gang.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/police_to_white_victim_we_dont_mess_with_black_gang.html#ixzz1rffF2Qc9

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  37. Ivan says: 37

    They still knifed him.
    But police won’t do a thing.
    The Adamsville Police Department told the injured white man, we “don’t mess with the Outcasts of Alabama.”

    Aye, will you condemn the Outcasts as loudly as you did Zimmerman who was just defending himself?

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  38. drjohn says: 38

    @Aye: I wanted to play semantics? All I did was put up a post and you went postal. You’re not right, Dood.

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  39. Ivan says: 39

    @drjohn:

    Of course he’s not right. He’s been breaking down completely the last few weeks.

    Notice I’ve challenged him and he refuses to address my concerns of his support of those involved in the drug trade.

    Quiet as a church mouse.

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  40. Ivan says: 40

    Get your sorry behind back in this debate, Aye, and answer the questions I have asked.

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  41. Nan G says: 41

    Ever have mystifying car trouble?
    Then an expert comes along, pops the hood and says, ”Well, here’s your problem, right here!”
    Well, here’s our problem…..
    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/files/2011/10/nbpp-obama.jpg

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  42. Tom says: 42

    @drjohn:

    I will take your odd and evasive lack of response to any of my points as as your formal surrender.

    @Aye:

    Translation: Dammit! The two of them made me look like a complete fool on my own post and there’s not an effing thing I can say to defend myself. Dammit! Quick…let me call ‘em “pissy”.

    It’s a strange preoccupation. I keep waiting for the good doctor to ask me to fill a cup.

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  43. drjohn says: 43

    @Tom:

    I will take your odd and evasive lack of response to any of my points as as your formal surrender.

    Take it anyway you want it, if that’s the way you need it.

    I don’t even know what point about which you speak.

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  44. Tom says: 44

    @drjohn:

    I don’t even know what point about which you speak.

    The only point I’ve really made: my disagreement with your claim that we’re “not going to hear” about the New Black Panthers story. I provided examples that disprove this claim, including a prime-time CNN piece that includes an extremely aggressive interview with their leadership by Anderson Cooper. And as I shared with you my methodology for arriving at my conclusion, I invited you to share with us your methodology for how you’ve measured the media attention for this story, if you feel my methods are flawed.

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  45. Ivan says: 45

    Dr. John,

    Thank you for this post today. It was educational.

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  46. drjohn says: 46

    @Tom:

    I provided examples that disprove this claim, including a prime-time CNN piece that includes an extremely aggressive interview with their leadership by Anderson Cooper.

    You ask me what I meant and I told you that to my knowledge no broadcast network or CNN or MSNBC have played the Muhammad video segment in which he says “You kill one of mine I got to kill one of yours” or words to that effect nor do I expect they will publicize the NBPP phone call which calls for spilling white blood.

    You asked me what I mean, that’s what I mean.

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  47. MataHarley says: 47

    Dang, if I wanted to read two week old news on so many levels, I’d just rummage thru my trash. But since drj gives his “to my knowledge” caveat, perhaps I can help him catch up on the doin’s that have transpired since the scum of the US, the NBBP, announced their “bounty”.

    One of their defacto leaders, the party’s “chief of staff”, as well as one who called for the Zimmerman bounty – Hashim Nzinga – was arrested in Atlanta two weeks ago on possession of a weapon by a felon. Whether that’s prosecuted in state or federal jurisdiction purely relates to whether the gun, itself, crossed state lines. Sometimes you have to get bad guys off the street with charges that you can make stick.

    However, state (or federal) authorities are not blind to the NBPP and their scumball activities. And in fact, the same day he was arrested, even Jesse Jackson condemned their fringe elements.

    Every political faction, including the right, has garbage in their midst. Even Jackson and Sharpton recognize that.

    I’ll agree with the point that Obama is a useless leader who is a nitwit decision maker and does nothing to defuse such hyperbole. But then, what’s new about that? More old news. Did you expect the community organizer, who depends upon tension, makes sure that affirmative action is written in to Dodd Frank, and appoints those such as Van Jones and Holder to his administration, to magically disappear when he stepped into the Oval Office? We’ve never seen it to date, so why now?

    Yes, an admirable POTUS would be up there, calling for calm. Not that it would necessarily work, but even an ol’ Harvard try would be appreciated. But Obama is not, and never has been, an admirable POTUS.

    The BS about Holder is just that… BS. Premature and immature pre-rejectulation, so to speak. Placing a bounty does not rise to the level of a federal hate crime because, quite simply, no crime has yet been committed. Via the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, there needs to be an act that “…willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race [or] color . . . of any person.”

    Thus the reason that the feds can investigate Zimmerman-Martin as a possible hate crime (because Martin is dead), but not the placement of a bounty by the NBPP. Therefore, any criticism of Holder is based on pure ignorance of federal jurisdiction via our US Code.

    As far as the potential “kidnapping” mentioned, in this case that may be the job of the State. As PJ Media’s J. Christian Adams wrote… again two weeks ago… it’s up to State Attorney Norman Wolfinger to do that job, where Holder has no authority.

    The New Black Panthers act like they are above the law because so far they have been.

    Americans are taking renewed notice of the New Black Panthers and the politicians who have enabled them. What sort of country have we become that racist uniformed thugs can stalk polls and threaten free citizens with mob arrest and murder? Is this a post-racial America, or a wicked reminder of a lawless age we thought we had moved beyond forever?

    So what crimes may have the New Black Panthers committed in Florida with their threats toward George Zimmerman?

    Let’s start with solicitation to kidnap. In announcing a reward for the seizure of Zimmerman, the New Black Panthers may have violated Florida Code 787.01. It makes it a felony to “by threat, confining or abducting, or imprisoning another person against his . . . will without lawful authority with intent to . . . terrorize.”

    Merely soliciting someone else to do this is also a felony in Florida under Florida Code 777.04. “A person who solicits another to commit an offense prohibited by law and in the course of such solicitation commands, encourages, hires, or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such offense or an attempt to commit such offense commits the offense of criminal solicitation.”

    The solicitation and threat to seize Zimmerman may also constitute a crime under Florida Code 876.35. The felony of “combination against part of the people of the state” occurs when someone is unlawfully seized by a mob, or at the behest of a mob. Think of a small town jail 100 years ago and an angry crowd, armed with rope, demanding a particular inmate. Sound familiar?

    Florida Code 876.35 defines the crime: “to remove them forcibly out of this state, or to remove them from their habitations to any other part of the state by force, or [when people] shall assemble for that purpose.” Remember, solicitation to commit a crime is in itself a crime.

    Florida Code 876.34 even makes it a felony to “interfere forcibly in the administration of the government.”

    Florida has an oddball law which may play a role as the facts of the Trayvon Martin case become clearer. Florida Code 843.20 is a criminal provision titled “Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program.” It makes it a misdemeanor to threaten or intimidate a member of a neighborhood crime watch program “while such member is engaged in. . . an organized neighborhood crime watch program activity.” The law says that a neighborhood patrol includes a “crime watch program activity.” Of course, Zimmerman was on his neighborhood crime watch patrol when the tragic incident occurred.

    There was an exception to a similar “kidnap” solicitation in NJ this past February. That, however, may differ because it was part of an FBI Internet sting op.…. ergo undeniably federal, and an undeniable “kidnapping”. Whether there is any specifics for federal as it relates to the NBPP and their antics, I haven’t seen that supported with any legal PC yet.

    Therefore, any venom, hostility and criticism for inactivity should be rightfully directed at the same guy who’s got his hands full with the Zimmerman-Martin investigation as well. And that being said, we don’t know that the FL state AGs office *isn’t* doing anything. They very well may be, but haven’t got anything yet that can lead to a concrete arrest and conviction. However I seriously doubt they are ignoring the muckrakers that are piling on to an already very ugly situation.

    I believe that many others have already pointed out the error that the neo-nazi patrols was a hoax and hype… again pointing out that nefarious extremes on both sides of the political aisle are busy at work, fanning the flames of hate and racism.

    Speaking of fanning flames, J. Christian Adams ends those definitions with an interesting observation.

    This awful mess in Sanford is bad enough without the shrill race agitators like the New Black Panthers throwing gasoline on the fire.

    I might point out that posts, such as these, with nary an acknowledgement of the other voices that have been raised in protest … did I mention over TWO WEEKS AGO??… including the rapid negative media response of a prominent civil rights leader, also qualifies as shrill race agitation and perpetual fanning of the flames.

    And while it may be politically convenient and expedient to make this a Holder issue, it’s done so out of sheer ignorance of our federal laws. The same goes for an impotent POTUS who is useless with, or without, his TOTUS.

    Lately, I’ve had to look at my URL field to make sure I didn’t accidentally land on a mirror of DailyKOs by error.

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  48. drjohn says: 48

    What Adams wrote was:

    Here we go again. Eric Holder’s Justice Department last month oversaw a guilty plea for solicitation of kidnapping, a federal offense. Jayen Patel entered a plea in New Jersey for soliciting a purported white supremacist (actually an FBI agent acting as a white supremacist) to conduct a kidnapping.

    I wrote earlier this week and appeared on Fox News to say that solicitation of kidnapping is a federal crime. The New Black Panther Party has put a bounty out on George Zimmerman being taken “dead or alive.” From Eric Holder, crickets.

    It is a federal crime and Holder should be doing his job.

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  49. Jimmy says: 49

    I can’t believe you’re putting this much effort in an organization that no one takes seriously. As for the bounty, these guys will do anything to get in the news and I doubt they could come up with it. Two: what black person would be stupid enough to follow through on this? Black Panthers with bounties, Neo Nazis patrolling the city. People have lost their minds.

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  50. MataHarley says: 50

    Perhaps you didn’t read that the NJ incident that Adams references in February was a federal FBI Internet sting operation, drj, and was specifically labeled as kidnapping for ransom. And, if you read up on that case, as I did (the benefit of “to my knowledge”…), you’ll find that he offered the UC agent, whom the perp thought was a white supremacist, a split in the ramsom/sale money for the kidnapping victims.

    The NBPP have not offered up Zimmerman for sale or ransom, therefore it can’t be labeled “kidnapping”. Nor did they state just what they wanted to do to him specifically upon “capture”, and kidnapping legally needs to have some defined purpose… which can include physical abuse, as well as cash or use for felonious reasons, terrorizing, etc.

    The key to why Adams quotes only Florida statutes in the article I linked, as well as Ben Sharpiro at Breitbart, is likely the use of the language of “capture”, not kidnap.

    And that little ditty – what they will do after “capture” – is, of course, conveniently left unstated and therefore out of the realm of easy prosecution.

    So while you and others would like to invoke the action as “kidnapping”, the sleazeballs were very careful not to use that word. Rather like you wanted to invoke the word of “lynching” in relationship to Zimmerman, when that was not the purpose of the public outcry about no investigation and freedom without scrutiny via abuse of SYG laws.

    Words… they have meaning and convey intent – especially in the legal world. Kidnapping differs, for example, from abduction. “Capture”, which you’ll note is always stated within quotation marks when discussing the NBPP bounty, generally applies to physical possessions or property. Slithery, but actually legally clever use to avoid the obvious.

    Oddly enough, it’s only the far leftist black fringe that supports the inbred idiots of the NBPP… and that doesn’t even include the likes of Jesse Jackson. So you can’t lay the despicable acts of these losers at the feet of a nation’s majority – black or otherwise – and suggest it’s something everyone is okay with.

    As far as Holder, he can’t manipulate federal laws that do not apply to “capture”, and pretend the NBPP really meant “kidnap” because that’s what you want it to mean.

    Florida, however, does have applicable laws. So my suggestion is you focus your obsession in the correct jurisdiction.

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