What an embarrassment:
Obama, in his most candid moments, acknowledged that race was still a problem. In May 2010, he told guests at a private White House dinner that race was probably a key component in the rising opposition to his presidency from conservatives, especially right-wing activists in the anti-incumbent “Tea Party” movement that was then surging across the country. Many middle-class and working-class whites felt aggrieved and resentful that the federal government was helping other groups, including bankers, automakers, irresponsible people who had defaulted on their mortgages, and the poor, but wasn’t helping them nearly enough, he said.
A guest suggested that when Tea Party activists said they wanted to “take back” their country, their real motivation was to stir up anger and anxiety at having a black president, and Obama didn’t dispute the idea. He agreed that there was a “subterranean agenda” in the anti-Obama movement—a racially biased one—that was unfortunate. But he sadly conceded that there was little he could do about it.
This news comes a day after this country’s Attorney General basically said whites cannot be subjected to racism because they haven’t suffered enough.
Since when is standing up for the Constitution of this great country and trying to prevent the destruction of the republic racism? It’s not. Race has nothing to do with it and is the last resort from those losing the argument. Would a bunch of racists love themselves some Herman Cain? Some Allen West? Puhlease.
He’s pushing the race button and thats the first sign of a loser.
If he’s willing to admit he got into office because of his race, I’ll admit some of his defeat was due to his race in ’10.
What a little wimp.
How come the first African-American President couldn’t have been someone of the caliber of Allan West? Why this human piece of fecal matter?
Dennis Miller discussed Obama and his administration and their performance. He said he wanted to believe that the administration was not deliberate in his efforts to tube the country. He just though they were “the gang that couldn’t shoot straight!” I hope this is incompetence, too.
Hmmm… Everyone’s favorite republicans are black; therefore we must just have “black people” to confuse the socialists so they don’t “think” were racist. That way we won’t actually look like were all racist, even though we are racist and our favorite leaders are black……..
Curt, it is an embarrassment, which isn’t being called out by the MSM.
I’m unsure if the following video has been viewed enough by anyone questioning whether a “housing” bubble was coming, and whether Democrats were fuelling the flames that blew that balloon beyond redemption, but here it is: Democrats Criticize Regulation of Fanny and Freddie.
They weren’t just in denial and an embarrassment, they were criminal.
How is it possible that any of these Democrats are still in Congress, and still collecting pay checks?
It must be a sad thing to have “race” as the only leg to stand on. Personally, I would be ashamed, but then that’s just me. Shame doesn’t count for much these days.
Zac Such an impressionable young man. The Republican Party of 2011 will pay huge lip service to the Allen Wests ,the Herman Cains and the Sarah Palins but they will nominate a good ol boy just like they’ve always done before. Let’s count back Mac, W, Dole, BushSr., R.R.,Ford,Nixon,Ike etc etc.White Protestants all.
After a defeat in 2012 they may give Rubio a shot but it will be a LONG time before a Black or a woman gets the Nom.Heck,they’ve never even nominated a Catholic.
This is about right. The world is going to hell and all that SOB can think about is himself. It’s like I said- you can’t be steeped in sh*t for as long as Obama was and not smell like it.
barack, barry, steve or whatever his name is uses race when ever it fits the situation. It is obvious that he was elected by a great percentage of white people, regardless their reasoning. The man is a marxist. The man is a narcissist. I think he truly believes that once he got into office every one would kneel at his feet and do his bidding . I think the opposite is happening as evidenced by the union bosses snapping their fingers with barack responding accordingly. It is obvious he is over his head. He doesn’t have a clue what is going on in the world, he dances and parties when families are losing their homes, their livelihoods all because of HIM! He couldn’t care less. While michelle berates people for eating incorrectly they both continually stuff their faces with expensive lobster and beef and 2200 calorie meals. It amazes me that when ever they are caught ‘cheating’, she tells the public it is all right once in a while. Give me a break woman, it is obvious to me you haven’t missed a meal or had a nutritious meal in quite a while.
My heart fears our country will continue this downward spiral if the Republicans (which I am one) do not get their act together. – and grow an iron pair.
Oh, and if barack thinks the tea party is racist, he only needs to knock on holder’s door. That man is a blatant racist and makes no bones about it. – That man is another story and should resign and if he is not man enough to do that barack should fire him (well I can dream). I am sick and tired of that race card and barack has rendered it pretty much useless. He probably thinks if you are against big unions, you are racist too. geesch. my head hurts with having to keep up on all of this – but I do because I ensure people know the real truth instead of what the barack media tells them. Thank for your the rant.
Rich the democrats just got the first black guy elected, ever. I’m happy that the US is a country where race is not an issue for potential leaders. Far as myself and any rational person is concerned, skin is skin. What really matters is the values of the POTUS.
Allen West is a elected official and I could be wrong; but i don’t think democrats elected him. It also might be hard to say that republicans are different in florida, but I could be wrong on that too.
Maybe we conservatives aren’t so far away from having a guy like Adam West as we look…. Just saying.
@ richard wheeler, Dickie, You are just echoing the soundtrack of those that can’t tie their boots with one or both hands. You have surpassed pathetic and come off like John Kerry. Quite frankly you are an embarrassment and are neither a Patriot or one Who cares about America taking the wrong path.
Comment further, speculate on Elections but believe that the consequences are realities for those that Serve now for more that what Your Political or Racist beliefs can allow. You are a joke and but don’t have the balls to admit it. I don’t know where You got lost but know that You are.
Curt allows a lot of crap to be placed here. You get that advantage by courtesy of His generosity.
Not by Mine.
I would be pretty upset if someone compared me to john Kerry.
O.T. Your personal insults don’t bother me in the least.In fact I kind of enjoy them.In my post I simply stated the truth about the history of the Republican Party Pres nominees.Obviously it struck a nerve with you.As well it should.This lack of inclusiveness is one of thr reasons I’m a Democrat.
I thank Curt for allowing me to exercise my 1st Amendment Rights.I guess guys like you and Mike think you can take them away at your discretion.
As far as questioning my patriotism,that’s pure B.S.
It is easy for you to accuse people of Racism Richard, but sadly most of those “good old boys” of the South are Democrat and have been since the victories of 1865 by Republicans both in War and Ideals. Give one piece of proof that W. or Ike were even remotely racist. Tread carefully, as Ike is known in history as being the President that pushed though many Civil Rights acts that were violently resisted by a Democrat Senate only to be later used as a foundation for Johnson’s attempt at Civil Rights reform only to be further resisted by a Democrat House and Senate with highly aggressive filibusters. Do not rewrite history for your sake. And as for modern day examples, please list why, “W” was a racist. You’ve made the accusations, now prove them. History alone has already disproved your Ike stance. The man was raised in Kansas, and given Kansas’ bloody history over the matter it is utterly cowardly of you to insist this area is Racist given the blood spilled in this area a decade before and years after the civil war over the matter with the Slaver/Racist ideals squashed. Yes yes, we can all go to the lawsuits over the 1940′s and 50′s but to think the Republicans put these policies into place that lead to lawsuits is a blunt rewrite of history and if the matter wasn’t so serious, it’d be stage tragedy in any other matter.
Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman were far more negatively impacting on the matters of Race in this nation, and does it pose a problem for you that both were Democrat? Wilson, imposing policies that stripped many African-Americans of their Government jobs or Truman who domestically shown a weak stance towards stopping Jim Crow laws (aka kinda like how Holder is behaving in DOJ over Civil Liberty violations.)
And I’m not even going to dip into the fact that the KKK had been sanctioned by the Democrat party in both its first form after the Civil War and after its revival in the late 30′s to hurt and hinder Republican interests in the south, up to and including murdering Republican members in the government systems for the Southern States.
Zac, do you date older rich women with severe superiority complexes?
Do you try and bull sh*t the country about your past?
Do you tell lies for political gains?
Do you consider yourself among the political Elite who are destined to lead by a false and self proclaimed sense of superiority?
If you answered No to all these questions, no one is likely to compare you to John Kerry, AKA Mr Ketchup.
They keep calling him the “most powerful man in the world” , and all he can do is holler RACIST. Give me a break, he is the weakest president in the history of our nation.
Mr. Irons I’ve accused NO ONE of racism. Good ol boy network is not racist.I’ve merely pointed out that since 1900 the Republican Party has not had a Catholic or Black or Female Pres. candidate or Veep(to my knowledge).It’ s a fact.Hope it will change.
Nobody would compare me to John Kerry. I’m sure of that.
I’m also not impressionable.
im·pres·sion·a·ble (m-prsh-n-bl)
adj.
1. Readily or easily influenced; suggestible: impressionable young people.
2. Capable of receiving an impression; plastic: impressionable plaster
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=impressionable
I don’t mind being called the usual names like “A-hole” or “bastard” some call me “the slave driver” I’m fine with it, but what exactly are you trying to say calling me impressionable Rich? Play-dough is impressionable. I am not play-dough.
If you make that claim, why use, “Good Old boy.” That is a synonym for a racist even today’s world, and given this article is over Racism, it’s not too far flung to connect your comments and given how Ike and W have been slammed by Leftists as racist.
And actually if you dig, yes Republicans have had in their primaries at State levels people of different faiths and Race. They failed to win the votes in the past but times are changing. Your claim is a joke.
@richard wheeler: Little Dickie, you knowledge of history shows again. It has been the Republican Party who supported blacks. It was the Democrats who prevented civil rights reform for so many years. There were more republicans who supported Kennedy’s reforms than Democrats. There were even KKK Democrats elected to the US Senate (Bird). You don’t hit nerves, you hit the button that says “I can not believe someone can be so ignorant!”
@richard wheeler: #6
. . . Huh?
The tormented mind and the percepts that wrote this seriously and deeply disturbed blitzkrieg, is a mind angry at something that no one here can help with.
Demonstrating a blind need to link itself to some ephemeral social self-righteousness found in an ideological train wreck disguised as a political party, such an ego will flail about pandering for approval to salve insecurities. Time would be better spent looking for counselling, instead of posting too revealing comments.
@ richard wheeler, If You continue to Judge Folks by Gender, Race or any other of Your Cozy Liberal standards, You cashed in Your Chips here. You bought into something that You do not know the consequences of Outcomes.
Patriots do NOT support the destruction of the Republic. Look into Your beliefs and Pick Your side. You are not any more Patriotic than John Kerry. Go throw Your medals over the fence and show Your Colors.
Do It, Patriot to a way gone stupid concept in Your Head.
Do not expect respect from me. Not ever.
@richard wheeler:
Actually, Rich, your “fact” is completely wrong. This is the 21st Century, begun on either Jan 1st, 2000, or Jan 1st, 2001, depending on who you ask. Remind me again, who was the VP candidate for the 2008 presidential election?
BTW, I recognize your point you are trying to make, but you are still wrong. Even in the 20th century, the Republicans placed William Miller on the ticket as VP back in 1964. He was a practicing Catholic at the time of nomination.
As far as black nominees and women are concerned, the Democratic party has held the majority of their numbers for many, many years, and yet, Obama was their first black nominee on the ticket. Geraldine Ferraro, in 1984 was their first female nominee on the ticket. Kind of lame to criticize the Republicans for being “a good ol’ boys’ network”, when the democrats have virtually the same history concerning general election ticket makeup.
Also, BTW, the Republicans are generally credited with having the first black presidential candidate.
http://medbib.com/1888_Republican_National_Convention
As well as being nominated for President, Douglass was also a trusted advisor to Lincoln, campaigned for Grant, and was appointed a federal office by Grant.
Now, what were you saying again?
I always thought when somebody said you are impressionable that meant you left them with a good impression. Glad I looked that one up.
I don’t have the highy developed vocabulary of an english aristocrat, and that might be a good thing.
@ johngalt, Dickie is like the neighbors dog that craps on your lawn. He just never picks up after himself but shows up for responses to his posts and a hand out because once upon a time, he was Somebody and expects a handout. I can’t give Him anything more than “thanks for Your service” but disregard His Politics as a nuisance and detrimental to the survival of the Republic that He once Honorably Served but now supports those that wish to destroy It.
Dickie is a sad case.
Poor Dickie.
@ Zac, #23
No worries, we are all, each and every one of us, Impressionable, . . . regardless how you define it. The critical differentiation is made between those who have common sense enough to allow or control the degrees of such “impression.” You decide what you buy.
“Impressionable” is also a tactic used in demeaning aggressions toward others, by insecure and diffident bullies in futile attempts at self-gratification.
Yes I guess your right James Raider. Everyone gets “influenced” by others, its just a matter of who your influenced by.
Seems to me in certain context Saying a guy is impressionable is like telling him he is a sock puppet or a robot; someone who only does what there master says.
I stand corrected on Sarah in 08 and William Miller in 64 as veep candidates. Good ol boys speaks primarily to the exclusion of women.Both parties could improve in this area.Dem, only Party to have Catholic at top of ticket and a Jewish veep in Lieberman.Noting this is not meant to offend anyone’s sensibilities.I HOPE IT WILL BE A MOOT POINT IN YEARS TO COME.
O.T. You continue to rant about my supporting the destruction of the Republic.Crazy
I knew my statement would raise a storm It’s good to see you guys getting fired up. Keep it up.Get involved
@richard wheeler: You said:
Can someone get the man a crying towel??
@anticsrocks:
LOL! Since when is a private entity required to let people speak freely?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this ain’t Congress. Free speech on FA is a privilege that can be taken away by the whims of Curt and others on here, and if they ever choose to do so, no one’s First Amendment rights would be taken away.
Why is it that liberals always like to read things into the Constitution that isn’t there?
@ richard wheeler, Nope You have exhausted my patience and tolerance and continue to support those that wish the demise of the Republic.
You still don’t get it and need to contact the Brain Fairy. He left You a Quarter under Your pillow.
Done deal, Jocko!
Not like some Dems and liberals weren’t up in arms crying, “Dude, where’s my country”, “protest is patriotic” and demanding America take back the country during the 8 yrs that preceded Obama.
@richard wheeler #6:
So if Condi Rice had run in ’08, she would have had zero support amongst Republicans?
Has the Democratic Party ever nominated a Mormon?
Gee, no Buddhist or Hindu has ever been elected to the highest office…must be due to racism in both parties! I suppose we need affirmative action for politicians and start meeting a race and religion quota to balance out our 200+ history as a nation…
@johngalt #22:
Bingo.
@richard wheeler #12:
Prior to President Obama, President W. Bush had the most diverse cabinet of any president, previously. We as a nation have been trending in this direction. Not just a single political party. It wasn’t a multicultural society that founded this nation so no biggie that it’s been all white guys as president up until #44. Today, the ethnic makeup of our nation is much more diverse. How many GOP Latinos won elected office in ’10, btw?
@richard wheeler #27:
It already is a moot point. The only ones race-obsessed, always paying attention to skin color are liberals stuck in the 60s, still thinking they are “fighting the good fight”; or, purposely keeping blacks on their plantation for political purposes, slandering the GOP as the party of racists, because without the black vote, Democrats would never win another election.
That’s why the Michael Steeles, the Bobby Jindals, the Marco Rubios, Mitch Daniels are such a threat to Dems. Dems want- need- to continue portraying the GOP as the club for rich, old white guys.
Btw, Dubbya’s done more for Africa than The One has….do we really need to keep score?
When you don’t have a response to the argument due to your own incompetence Barry, the next best thing to do is ‘attack’ the Tea Party. Liberal way to go…
Funny, when someone misconstrues the President’s comments according to him, ‘they’ didn’t hear him correctly. He apparently hasn’t ‘heard’ the Tea Party either. Just ‘looked’ saw a lot of white and ‘assumed’ they ‘must be’ Racists…
Such Ignorance Mr President. Did you not instead see a ‘Sleeping Giant’ Awakening? Those who have remained ‘silent’ while our Government and the Liberals in this country have run a muck, and have practically run this country into the proverbial ground? Thereby Creating a third world socialist country? Evil run A muck? You have it all wrong Mr President and your fellow Socialist Libs. Right is Right, and your are wrong Barry. I Agree, you are a loser too – for your ignorant race comment.
This is WHY Mr President the Tea Party wants to Take their Country Back !! “Take it Back” to Constitutional Principles and a Republic NOT move ahead with your Socialist/Commie Principals /No borders/Soros/Ayers/Van Jones /Weaken America Agenda..
“White” only Tea Party Activists? Funny, I have never seen a sign or Mission Statement that said the Tea Party is a “White only” Activist Grass Roots Organization” Has Anybody out there seen that? Rather, the Tea Party States it is open to anyone who ‘believes’ in Liberty, Freedom, Fiscal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government. Thats the criteria. All Inclusive. No Gimmicks .
The “Race Card” is DEAD Barry it’s 2011 not 1930! IT”s YOUR Policies Barry and YOUR Administration’s Policies Barry! Nothing more! Whitey ain’t playin’ that game no more! (just had to add that it sounds funny)
@johngalt: You said:
I was being sarcastic. Sorry thought it was evident. To my mind, he was whining a bit, that’s all.
@johngalt: You said:
You surely aren’t calling me a liberal, are you? If so, then you haven’t read my comments or posts here, or my posts over at Conservative Hideout 2.0 or at my own blog, Present Discontent.
When all else fails, play the race card. It’s over, using that worn tactic is crude, certainly well beneath the dignity of the office that childlike man sits in. His racism will reverse everything we have gained before this is all over.
Hmmm, what have we here?
http://www.4president.org/brochures/elizabethdole2000brochure.htm
A fine and gracious candidate, I followed her and would have voted for her in the primary but, she dropped out. She was also on the short list for VP for President Bush.
Richard Wheeler makes that quote flagrantly obvious.
OT:
WOOHOO! NiceDeb has done it!
The Left-wing Institute for Civil Discourse is NOW OPEN!!!
http://moonbattracker.com/wordpress/
“This website was inspired by the NAACP, Media Matters, Think Progress and New Left Media‘s teapartytracker.org, a website that was set up to publish and monitor “racism and other forms of extremism within the Tea Party movement.” Apparently, they had trouble finding material because when I checked in late February, 2011, their last post was dated 10/20/10, and it linked to a progressive organization’s “study” of supposed Tea party racism. It’s almost like the webmasters lost interest in tracking “tea party racism” after the November elections.
“Meanwhile, every day, conservative activists have been hearing about left-wing thuggery, especially since the union battles in State Houses across the country were ramping up. I thought it was time to start storing the videos and news accounts of left-wing violence and moonbattery in one place.”
Spread the word, folks! Send tips to “thugtracker” at gmail dotcom.
@Wordsmith: If one took race away from the debate, democrats would have nothing.
The race card is entirely worn out.
I for one have had it up to here with this racist administration and the chickenhearted buzzards who refuse to call them out on this despicable stance! From holder to his association over the years with radical hating racists, the President always manages in the end to show his true colors. Slam his Leftist policies, you’re a racist! Disagree with his complete incompetency in foreign policy, you’re a racist. Point out the open faced lies about cutting the deficit in his budget, you’re a racist! In other words, try to have a civil discourse with any radical leftist in this country today using facts and figures, you are a racist!
Debate and civil discourse. It’s where ideas come from! It’s a forum to, if not fix a problem, at least address it and come up with some consensus to at least try! As such, debate or discussion can hurt one’s feelings and/or illicit some rather harsh reactions. My point is until we as a people can discuss stuff without hate, until we can cast aside our own ideologies, our biases, etc. and approach a subject with open minds, there cannot be fixes. As a society we must work together. Listening is a fine art. Learning and changing one’s mind due to constructive criticism, and I want to emphasize that, constructive criticism is a sign of maturity and leadership. Can you even remotely understand this view Mr. President, or is your head stuck so far up your elitist ass that you as most politicians are too far above us mortals to bother worrying about it? From my little part of the world, it sure appears that way! One thing for sure in my view. You and your administration have done more to set back racial relations in this country than any other administration in my lifetime!
Debate is imperative for this country to survive. Criticism is good, provided it is true! As I said, debate must be accompanied by open minds. This must be conducted by using the Truth and Facts! This must be done by educating yourselves! Keep an open mind, but dig up everything you can from both sides. Then make an informed decision. As we go forward, we will be called fear mongers and worse! WEAR IT AS A BADGE OF HONOR. Radicals of any persuasion FEAR the truth and facts, so shout it out as loudly as possible. This is our country. Love for country and the ideals it was founded on IS NOT HATE as the hard left keeps saying. Opposing bad policy IS NOT RACISM as we are charged with! Fight the BIG LIE with the TRUTH! Our country depends on this!
Pingback: Obama: Race Baiter in Chief? | My Blog
@anticsrocks:
Good lord, no! My comments you quoted from #29 was meant as an addition to yours from from #28, not an attack on you. I apologize for any misunderstanding there.
As an aside, there was much talk of Powell being a candidate during the 90′s
I posted this one the wrong thread and moved it to this one. That’s a first.
It’s amazing how people in this country love to play the race card. The ones that do are the ones who came up with all of this hyphenated American garbage. I used to do it myself until I realized how divisive it was. If you are an American citizen you are an American.
Think about it. If you see a White person you refer to them as White or an American not as an American- European or a European-American. If you are going to hyphenate it is used for dual citizens or when discussing someone’s ancestory such as American-Canadian or Canadian-American. When referring to Blacks however they are referred to as African-Americans. Why? How come they are not whole Americans like Whites? Are they only half American because they are Black? When you think about it, it’s actually racist and degrading. If someone is Black why assume they are from Africa? Not all Africans are black and not all Blacks are African. If they are to be hyphenated, it should be to annotate dual citizenship or ancestoral background. Since Africa is a continent and not a country they should be referred to as say American-Nigerian or Nigerian-American. Call a Black from Brazil an African-American because they are black, and you will probably offend them. Bottom line, you are American or you are not. And the PC, divisive, race baiting crowd in their efforts to play the race card are actually racists themselves in doing so. They are the ones treating Blacks as seperate citizens.
@johngalt: Thank you JG. I was confused myself, lol.
Per Webster:
mulatto- a person who has one Negro parent and one white parent.
Isn’t that what Obama is? He took office a little over two years ago and history is already being revised by calling him our first Black president. Factually incorrect. Part of the reason it’s being done is because it gives his supporters some sense of moral superiority over everyone else. By bragging that they have claim to the first “Black” president it’s a subtle way of saying those who oppose him are racists.
BTW- Joe Lieberman was the VP candidate for the Democrats in 2000. Barry Goldwater was the Republican nominee for President in 1964 and he was of Jewish decent. Unlike Lieberman though, he was not run out of the party for putting America first and politics second.
@another vet:
That is exactly why it’s being done. While many people engage in acts of moral superiority, Liberals use it daily to feel better about themselves and associate with those who feel similar.
@johngalt: It’s REAL old too. I’ve been called a racist by a few Democrats for having voted for McCain and for opposing Obama’s agenda despite the fact that I know and associate with more Blacks than all of them combined. Hell, my best friend is Black. Ironically, one of these die hard dems is one of the biggest racists I know. He always drops the ‘n’ bomb when referring to Blacks. He also constantly bumb raps the Catholic Church, Republicans, the military, blames 90% of the world’s problems on the Jews, and deep down probably believes America got what it deserved on 9/11 because Bush was President. But since Obama supports big government socialism, he refrains from criticizing him.
@another vet:
Some Democratic opponents wanted to portray McCain as racist in ’08. Amusing considering the story of his adopted daughter, Bridget.
@Wordsmith: Was that before or after the rocket scientists accused him of not being an American citizen because he was born to American parents on an overseas American military base? They still accuse Bush of being a racist even though his approval rating is/was over 80% in Africa because of what he did in combatting AIDS over there or that he freed millions of Muslims from the rule of ruthless dictators.
Another Vet Goldwater was Episcopalian.Mac took a bigger hit from far right Evangelicals in 2000 S. Carolina primary than he ever took from Dems.
You’ve surely heard whites refer to themseves as Italian Americans or Irish Americans or maybe just IRISH on March 17.
Funny, “far right Evangelicals…” What political party does that consist? Republicans? Not really… Contrary to modern day attempts at repainting, Democrats are still the majority social conservatives especialy when it comes to Religon.
Mr. Irons Lets be clear.In the 2000 Republican Primary in S.Car. Mac was slandered by fellow Repubs. hoping to secure a much needed victory for W after Macs N.H.win Rumors were spread about the legitamacy of his adopted black child,about his rumored infidelities to Cindy,and a violent temper fostered by his 5 1/2 years in The Hanoi Hilton.It was ugly, tied directly to Rove ,and got W the win.
To their credit S. Carolinian Repubs gave Mac a huge win in 2008 primary.
Hey Rich didn’t I say that republicans strongly disliked john McCain the other day, and you said you highly doubted it? Now you are arguing on my side? So you do feel the MSM picked a republican candidate that was liberal at heart?
“Rush Limbaugh has been relentless in his criticism of John McCain, prompting suggestions that he may have to soften his stance if the Arizona senator wins the nomination and faces off against Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. But if that happens, Limbaugh said in an interview over the weekend, he would rather see the Democrats win the White House.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/04/AR2008020402798.html
@richard wheeler: I know Goldwater was Episcopalian but his father was originally Jewish who converted to Episcopalian. His paternal grandparents were married in a synagogue if I’m not mistaken. According to his bio on Wikipedia (not that it’s a top notched source) he referred to himself as Jewish on occassion. No doubt he wasn’t a practicing Jew like Lieberman.
McCain took a hit in SC and it was wrong but two wrongs don’t make a right and the Republicans didn’t run him out of the party like the Democrats did to Lieberman. I didn’t agree with a lot of Lieberman’s positions, but he put country over politics with regards to the war effort and will always be a patriot in my books for that. He will be sorely missed.
I’m well aware that white refer to themselves in hyphenated terms and the same rule applies to them- if they are Americans and not dual citizens, then they are Americans. And in most cases, when they refer to themselves as hyphenated Americans it’s in reference to their nationality not in order to be PC. The point I was making is that we don’t refer to White people as a whole as European-Americans, they are either referred to as Whites or Americans. Why not refer to Blacks the same way as either Blacks or Americans?
Zac ” strongly disliked” .I believe you said hated.IF there’s a single F.A. BLOGGER who hates John Mc Cain I’d be surprised and would like to hear why.
Msm didn’t pick MAC. wide-eyed Repubs.did.2008 was the Dems year,2010 the Repubs.We’ll see what 2012 brings.
Malize #41 re. Powell Talk is cheap.
@richard wheeler:
You just reminded me of how often I see Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers…..still.
I never hear Democrats say they hate John Edwards.
I wonder why that is.
NAN Hate is a very strong word and I believe should be used very sparingly.Eschew the superlative.
Hey Rich. you may be right in arguing that point, in general conservatives seem to be a fairly forgiving and sensible creed and probably don’t have hate dwelling within them. Truthfully It may be difficult to find even one conservative who hates McCain.
However I myself am not a fan of the nicetys of language, the only rules I perscribe to is no racial words and I try to go easy on the swears and insults; so beyond that I’m not one to tone down my rhetoric; as far “eschewing” is concerned.
I think a lot of Liberals ‘Hate’ because many ‘don’t’ – have God in their lives.
@richard wheeler:
I am wondering why you would even question the people who post comments here on whether or not they hate McCain. Is it a common theme amongst liberals to ‘hate’ those who have either disagreed with you, or have failed you in some way? And don’t say you don’t, because otherwise you wouldn’t have even brought it up.
Hate must be an operative action amongst liberals, hence the characterizations of their opponents as hitler, the use of derogatory terms, the violent rhetoric and physical attacks. They then project this on conservatives, claiming we must ‘hate’ those we disagree with. It’s no wonder we believe liberals act like immature children when they fail to get their way.
John G. Slow down .In a previous post Zac said Repubs especially Limbaugh hated Mac. I said not so. Simple as that.
My choice of words was as follows:
“You know as far as Obama having won the election and why; I was living in the US during most of the Bush presidency, and I never thought I would see the day John Mcain would get the republican nomination. He served his country well during the Vietnam war and god bless him for that, but most republicans hated him prior to his running for president- even Limbaugh. All things considered, I don’t think he had the full support of every member of the tea party. Of course I don’t have data to back that up, but its a safe observation.”
But I think you are right Rich, conservatives are in general not the type to show “hate”.
Can you prove the claims you make Rich that Rush, “hated” Mac. After digging though transcripts of his shows in the past with the word, “Mac” as a filter I can’t come across much context that expresses hatred just no support of policies. Hate and disagreement are two different actions in politics.
MR IRONS Zac said Limbaugh hated Mac #61. I said “I doubt it” see #51
I have been to many Tea Party protests in Washington DC and other places and have never heard any racist remarks. Just the opposite. I and others have suggested to some sign bearers that they should be a little more careful in making their signs. We have to keep in mind that the liberals try to attend these protests and pretend to be Tea Partiers.
All races are tired of being over-taxed and seeing the government keep growing.
I’m aware of what Zac wrote, but it seems you need glasses as you can’t tell he was using quotation marks to indicate a quote. For someone who tries to be, “clear and accurate” you sure do read into things that are not there and then spin past events into things that are fictional to support your cases.
The only thing clear about RW is he is befuddled, misinterprets almost everything and thinks he a voice to listen to. Where to begin?
@richard wheeler:
The so-called rumors used in the push-polls by the Bush campaign had nothing to do with anything you and leftard blog sites have drug up. McCain also hired the same company he accused the of smearing him for his 08 campaign:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/mccain-hires-go.html
Bush put his hand on McCain’s arm during a break in one of the debates and assured McCain that his campaign had nothing to do with the accusation you and the leftard blogs are making. McCain’s reply?
After the primaries ended, John and Cindy McCain invited candidate Bush, Laura and many of the Bush team to their home in Sedona for a weekend. McCain personally did all the barbequing for the guests. Per Karen Hughes book, can’t tell you what page because I passed the book on years ago. Evidently McCain had thought he needed to bury the hatchet.
Suspects for the vicious rumors about his wife and child are members of SC POW groups that are angry that McCain and Kerry stopped the investigations and survivor searches in Vietnam and say he betrayed them while in captivity. And, btw, those same smears/tactics surfaced again in South Carolina in McCain’s 2008 primary campaign, hardly a Bush/Rove operation, ya think?
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=97480e73-39f7-49aa-96a7-2b161dafb7f4
@richard wheeler:
I call BS on this, I didn’t even get to vote for president in the 08 primaries but a lot of cross overs did and he did have a strong showing of military voters from the south. From then on we were stuck with him, nothing “wide-eyed” about it.
We had some of the same people (ex-POWs and family of MIAs) here in AZ pushing the meme that McCain was a traitor who collaborated with the enemy.
As for his role in the S&L/Keating, it stunk to high heaven. The only thing that saved him was that he wasn’t stupid enough to overtly break the law when pushed by Keating. I was living in AZ when it happened and believe me, it didn’t look good.
Mr Irons In #61 Zac was directly quoting what HE had said in a previous blog. Bottom line is I don’t believe Repubs. or Limbaugh hated MAC and I DOUBT if anyone here at F.A. other than possibly Zac does either.Can we move on?
Missy Any Dem.crossover vote to Mac in Open primaries was minimul and brought no victories.
Limbaugh’s call for Repubs to vote for Hillary in Texas Dem Open primary certainly assisted her close win.
H.R Can’t tell you how glad I was to see Mac destroy that far right talk show character in 2010 Arizona Repub. Senatorial Primary.
@richard wheeler: dick, you sure seem to like to stir the pot – like so many of the liberal moonbats who frequent FA.
Anticsrocks Yes I do like to stir the pot.Keeps the soup from spoiling.
I’m a social liberal ,a fiscal moderate,a military defense conservative.
@richard wheeler:
This one needs some explaining.
As far as I understand social liberals think its ok to group me at the airport.
If you would compare Obama to George W Bush; GW would be a fiscal moderate, so does that mean your a Bush guy?
I’m a conservative on defense too.
Zac “group you at the airport” are you a rock star? For starters I believe in Civil Rights, Human Rights,Freedom of Religion and Speech a Free Press and protection of the environment.I like “W” personally,a fraternity brother and fellow drunken DKE as was his dad and Gerry Ford.
Fiscally I’d abolish the I.R.S and replace with consumption tax.I believe people should be taxed on their spending not their earnings or savings.Moderate view??
.
@richard wheeler:
Wow! wonder why 20% of white Democratic voters said they’d defect to McCain instead of vote for Obama? Fill is in old wise one.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/mar/07/mccain-leads-in-crossover-votes/#
@richard wheeler:
To go along with my comment on #71:
You said:
In regards to fiscal conservatism:
Now, fiscal(economic) liberalism is not defined as that which most people would believe:
That isn’t what liberals are about these days. A more correct, modern-liberal, economic theory is rooted more in Marxist theory than in anything resembling capitalism or free-market practices.
This is the reason I asked for you to define “fiscal moderate”, as it seems to be a made-up term, either by you or others, to make yourself out to be somewhere in the ‘middle’ of any discussion revolving around economics.
Missy I believed we were talking only about crossovers in open primaries 1n 2008.As you know only 17 states allow open primaries including S.Carolina and Texas.My point was Mac had substantial win over Huck and Thompson in S.C.(any Dem crossover not deciding factor) where as Hillary won a squeaker in Texas with Rush calling on Repubs. to back her and slow Obama.
If you get bored check results in open primary states and tell me if you think Dem crossver brought a Mac victory in any.
No, I’m no rock star. Don’t play an instrument, don’t even listen to the radio. Thanks for your compliment though!
What I was saying was that social liberalism allows the TSA to grope everyone. The government has us by the balls. You are obviously talking about some other social liberalism…
I concur with almost everything you wrote, why do we clash on so many different issues then Rich?
Personally I never drink, I’m an athlete, so the only part I disagree with is your stance on “drunken frat boys” that’s it…..
Rich you are a strange dude.
@johngalt: you make a good point here. look how many lefties hate Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman and they have never done any thing but tell it like it is. They never accused everyone on the left as being racists. They never created an environment that put so many out of work or raised energy prices so high more will likely be out of work soon. Why does the left hate someone who just has different views then they?
During my divorce, I was very distraut. One of the neighbors was over after one bout with my ex. I told him I didn’t understand why she hated me. He told me that I always did the right things concerning my sons. I correctly predicted future events that were based on historical events or action. He said she hates you for being right when it clashes with what she wants to do. He said she knows you are right, but hates you for it!
Maybe that is why the lefties hate Palin. She accurately predicted this energy crisis that will get much worse and she predicted the continued unemployment rates. She accurately labeled the “death panels” in Obama care that also has been proven to be true. Somewhere you can throw in climate issues, too! Maybe they hate because others are right and they know it!
Randy Re.Sarah YOU just think’s she’s right. If you’d agreed with your wife that much you’d still be married.
@richard wheeler: Well little dickie, is the price of oil going up since we prevented drilling? Yes. Has brest cancer patients been denied a drug that actually worked basically condeming them to death? yes I would say those were only a few of her major correct predictions!
Randy Did she predict stock market would be up nearly 50% since Obama took office.Did she predict her handpicked ALASKA Senator Joe Miller would get beat.Nostradamus she’s not but I do look forward to her getting in the race. Any predictions?
Missed the point again RW.
Mr. Wheeler, unless you supply direct hard proof, which you have NOT done at all then why do you keep up with accusations? As I have said, I’m aware what Zac has wrote here. It’s not that hard to do a search.
Mr Irons Zac and I are in agreement about our discussion .What part are you having a problem with.Maybe the fact the discusion took place on two different stories?I’ve said and will repeat I believe Repubs and Limbaugh(and by extension those here at FA) DO NOT HATE MAC.Can I be any clearer?
Pingback: Tea Party’s Subterranean Agenda: Obama’s Post-Racial Touch Heals Nation Once More | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP
I hope the Tea party accomplishes what it’s set out to do, which is destroy America. You people have no shame. You claim to be christians and yet you want to cut programs that help the poorest of people and give tax breaks to the rich. That cannot be found in the gospel anywhere. Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself, but you say let the weak fend for themselves. You are all a bunch of modern day pharisees and God is going to punish you for your selfishness. What you will all come to realize is that the poor and middle class outnumber the rich. Unemployment is at it’s highest because tax breaks are given to companies who outsource jobs to places like India, while americans are left out in the cold. The money we pump into these corporations don’t end up in our pockets, it ends up in the pockets of foreigners. Bush is responsible for this and Obama was supposed to fix it and he did not. We don’t need make the poor suffer anymore. We need to take away these tax breaks from these greedy corporate bastards and tell washington we’re tired of this nonsense. Paul Ryan is a demon from Hell and Barak is a cream puff who spends more time trying to be calm than anything else. He needs to show some backbone and get angry. He needs to keep his promises. To hell with the Paul Ryan and the rich corporations they want the help. The average american needs help and these republicans don’t give a damn.
By the way, Obama didn’t say that you’re a bunch of racists, but I will tell you something. You are a bunch of racists. What you’re showing is that you hate the idea of a black president more than you hate your suffering country. Every super power in the world provides health care to it’s people. Are we saying we want to go back to the dark ages. Most of you tea party morons are half dead old people who don’t have shit. I haven’t seen one face in the tea party anywhere of any other nationality. How could you possibly represent americans when you have zero diversity in your group. Hello! Maybe because noone else shares your selfish racist perspectives. You people are the modern day barbarians that are going to destroy modern day Rome. When you think you have won, you will have destroyed this great nation with your selfishness. Repent and believe the gospel!
There goes another one! Hey leo, get a life! There are plenty of non “nationals” here. I am one! And a Tea Party guy! So shut your mouth and take your race baiting elsewhere! And for gods sake look at some of the other threads and get an education.
Interesting that we’re back to this after Bozo’s speech and ranting session the other night.
i was just wondering though. I have more than once referred to this clown in the Oval Office as a Marxist/ Leninist/ hard left Socialist wanna be dictator. I make that assertion based on his words, actions and associations. As the Commies in the past have been referred to as Reds, could that possibly mean I’m bigoted against red people? Is that the racism members of the Tea Party are guilty of? I’m really curious as to that because never once in my rantings or for that matter in so many others who express their despite towards the Anti-American agenda he espouses have I seen a mention of race.
We have in fact mentioned what appears to be racist positions taken by members of his administration. they as they were appointed by him are extension of his stances. But I don’t see anyone talking about his color. Oops! I mean no one but the leftist morons who when they have no legitimate argument will always throw out the race card! either way, I await an answer. As I despise the Reds, does that make me a racist? (For you libbies out there, this is what I would normally call caustic satire. Not sure if educated elites would understand that though)
One note: I’m trying to point out the absurdity of the racism argument as aimed at Conservatives. If I offended anyone, I apologize but really this garbage has to stop. there is no such thing as racism when one points out a persons actions or perceived agenda. That’s what Free speech is about. To be called a racist or hate monger for standing up for one believes in is against every principle I was raised on. The fact that so many people have been taught to stoop to that kind of garbage drives me nuts. You don’t have to agree with me, but you have no right to call me or any one else something as hateful as racist. Call me a loony tune if you disagree with me. that’s fine But stop this garbage of flinging S…..! against the wall and hoping it will stick. No wonder this country is going down the tubes!
@Leo: #85
I don’t belong to any religion, and I am a Tea Partier, and have been to many Washington DC protests and other places. If you ever come to one of our protests all you will hear is how we want the government to do ONLY what it is supposed to to. Nothing more.
A lot of the poor are poor because they got a GOVERNMENT education and some of them can’t even fill out a job application. An educated person can take care of themselves. The politicians want uneducated people who depend on the government for welfare. The more welfare recipients there are, the more votes if they are promised more money. A lot of people just don’t want to work for their money.
Do you and others have the right to make the rest of us pay higher taxes because you want to help the poor? Let’s set it up so that each person can decide how much of their check goes to the poor and have the government deduct it from YOUR check. That way YOU decide where YOUR money goes and I decide where MY money goes. Are you one of the government recipients? Is that why you want the welfare money continued?
Before you complain about tax breaks for the rich, find out what percentage they pay. Most of them pay a lot higher percentage tax than you do. A lot of them have left the country, and more are considering it. The reason a lot of companies have moved to other countries is because our corporate taxes are the highest in the world.
You are a true liberal when you say it is Bush’s fault. Did you know that after the Bush tax cuts the Federal revenue was higher than before the tax cuts? That means they had more money coming in than they did before the cuts. You will never hear that from the propaganda media.
How could that be? The more money you leave for the individual and company, the more money they have to spend. Them spending their money creates jobs at the places they spend it. The government taking the money off the top means less for them to spend, thus less to buy things from businesses, meaning that businesses won’t have the money to expand or hire more employee.
I don’t belong to any political party, so I can condemn or defend any of them. The democratic and republican party have lowered their standards so that you can’t tell them apart, so I call them republicrats.
We need to get rid of the whole bunch and start over. Any politician who hasn’t tried to put Social Security back into it’s own interest drawing account like it used to be is telling all of us that they don’t care about the retiree’s future. That is just more money for them to spend.
@Leo: So, Leo, you have a direct line to God, do ya? I have a few questions, if you could take a few minutes off from your rant. Ask him how my Mom and Dad are doing. Ask him if he wears maroon and white. Thanks in advance.
@Leo: Leo , you are like those thousands of brain washed lefties who talk about those greed corporations when you have no idea what you are talking about. What is a greed corporation? Name one! A corporation is just a paper organization that allows millions of people to do business together with provisions to share profits. Those people are called stock holders. They purchase an interest in the company and share in the proceeds if they are positive or negative.
These stock holders hire a group of people to run the company such as corporate officers and a board of directors who report to the stock holders as to the status of the company and future plans. The corporate organization that the stock holders put in place then hires workers to perform the corporate business.
Proceeds of the business the corporation engages in is either reinvested into the business to help the business grow bigger and to hire more people to make the business more profitable. Some of the income is returned to the stockholders as dividends. Doing business as a corporation allows ordinary people like you to compete with state owned companies like Airbus and many oil companies. Sometimes, the government provides incentives to these corporations to allow them to compete with foreign corporations and to keep jobs in this country.
Now, a few little things you and the left leave out when describing greedy corporations. If their product or service is priced too high, you can always buy that product or service some where else or do with out. No one is forcing you to purchase their product in the US. It is easy to refer to greedy corporations. Have you looked at your 401K or retirement account? You may be the greedy corporation if you own stock. Since you direct the people who run the corporation, then you and your neighbor are the greedy corporation you abhor! In other words, your lefty leaders manipulate you and those like you because you fail to have an understanding of how the world works. You are either to lazy, ignorant or stupid to understand you are being used as a tool to further a socialist agenda. Which is it Leo?
You lefties always talk about the poor people. Who are they this year? Are they those who only make $50,000/year with a microwave, 2 color TVs (one is likely a big screen), 2 cars, their own house and a few other things that really poor people in other countries have never even seen let alone own? If you take the time to determine who is included in the “poor” in this country, you may find you will be very surprised at their numbers.
Leo, you are a sad little man. We would be against Obama if he was purple with green polka dots, as long as he pushed the policies that he does.
As for compassion, where is the compassion to back a Party and President that want to spend the country to the point of actual bankruptcy? Who will haul the social safety nets then?
One final note to you, Leo – Judge not, lest ye be judged.