Kiev’s Implied Territorial Claims To Russia’s Border Regions Are Totally Bogus

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by Andrew Korybko

It’s actually Russians that have always lived in modern-day Ukraine’s border regions, not Ukrainians that have always lived in Russia’s like Zelensky implied.

Zelensky signed a decree on Monday “aimed at preserving the ethnic identity of Ukrainians in Russia”, which will investigate alleged “crimes” in Russia’s border regions against those who Kiev deems to be Ukrainians such as “forced Russification, political repression, and deportations.” This move is meant to imply territorial claims as the basis for then raking in more Western funds for information warfare operations against Russia as well as to justify Kiev’s terrorist attacks against the locals there.

Ukrainian identity was recognized by President Putin in his July 2021 magna opus “On the historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians” when he wrote that “Things change: countries and communities are no exception. Of course, some part of a people in the process of its development, influenced by a number of reasons and historical circumstances, can become aware of itself as a separate nation at a certain moment. How should we treat that? There is only one answer: with respect!”

Nevertheless, he also clarified right afterwards that those republics which seceded from the Soviet Union and kept the historical Russian lands that were given to them by the communist leadership without the locals’ consent must respect the rights of the indigenous population and not threaten Russia’s security. Ukraine became hellbent on betraying both reasonable requests after its Western-backed “EuroMaidan” fascist coup and is now escalating matters even further through its meddling in Russia’s border regions.

The roots of the Ukrainian ethnos are too complex to describe here, but for brevity’s sake, they can be summarized as the result of the centuries-long historical interplay between Russia and Poland in the territory of this modern-day country whose borders were largely shaped by Lenin. Some of the people there began to consider their experiences, dialect/language, and culture as distinct from Russia’s and Poland’s, which was encouraged by Austria-Hungary, some Polish elites, and later the German Empire.

The collapse of the Russian Empire created the chance for those who came to regard themselves as Ukrainians to build their own state with Berlin’s support, but their polity didn’t last long and was redivided between the Soviet Union and the Second Polish Republic. During its brief existence, some nationalists claimed that their alleged kin resided within the modern-day Russian border regions that Zelensky’s decree focuses on and accordingly declared ownership, but they never exerted control there.

Although self-styled Ukrainians within the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and Russians in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic then shared most of the same historical experiences from the Soviet Union’s creation till its dissolution, some key differences still existed. For example, Ukrainians were the beneficiaries of the communist party’s nationalism policy that could be described in hindsight as the first practice of affirmative action, which privileged them over the local Russians there.

In fact, the Russians living in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic had their socio-cultural rights restricted and were pressured by the communist leadership to assimilate and integrate into the state’s official Ukrainian culture. During the 1930s famine that affected this republic, the Russian one, and the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic worst of all, some self-styled Ukrainians left for the neighboring Russian republic and settled in its border regions, while others eventually left later on for jobs after World War II.

This sequence of events explains why some people who consider themselves Ukrainians ended up within modern-day Russia’s border regions despite the external (Austrian, Polish elite, German, and the Soviet communist) efforts to encourage this identity’s formation being concentrated on the land of modern-day Ukraine. Once they realize this, observers can better grasp the perniciousness of Zelensky’s decree since he’s attempting to revise history by making it seem like Ukrainians have always lived in those regions.

The reality is the exact opposite however since it’s actually Russians that have always lived in modern-day Ukraine’s border regions like Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov, and Odessa (the latter of which was settled by Russians during the Imperial era as part of Novorossiya), not to mention the land that it lost since 2014. Even so, by pretending otherwise as he’s doing, Zelensky wants to secure more Western funds for information warfare operations against Russia.

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There is no plausible reason to continue to give taxpayer dollars to Ukraine. They have no army capable of defeating Russia let alone holding them back. The DC and global ylites do not want the world to know what has been happening in Ukraine for the last decade.

Not unless you want to avoid getting sucked into all out war with Russia to defend a NATO nation, because that’s what’s going to happen if Putin’s invasion of Ukraine succeeds.

01/01/24 – Senate panel advances bill to seize frozen Russian assets for Ukraine

Oopsie,

NATO General Secretary Goes Rogue – Says No Threat of Russian Expansion Beyond Ukraine

According to the NATO Secretary General, “…we don’t see any direct or imminent threat against any NATO Ally. And therefore, we, of course, monitor closely what Russia does, we have increased our vigilance, our presence in the eastern part of the Alliance, but the whole idea of that is to prevent an attack on a NATO Ally.” {LINK}

The only reason is for the Biden Crime Family to maintain the flow of kickbacks.

Back when Pakistan was cleaved off of India people had a certain amount of time to move where they felt most at home.
Hindus moved into what would stay as India, Muslims moved to what would become Pakistan.
The USSR moved people around just to keep them from identifying as a people, Ukrainian, Siberian, Russia, etc.
When the USSR fell the Russian gov’t never encouraged people to go back to their homelands.
EVERY ex-Soviet Republic could gain or lose population if this were encouraged now.
Ukraine included.
No reason to go to war.

News broke here this morning that a Russian plane was shot down.
The Russian version: it was filled with Ukrainian prisoners of war.
The Ukrainian version: it was filled with missiles.
The plane was shot down, you could see the dark cloud left where a missile hit the plane.
BUT, when the plane hit the ground, there was NO SECONDARY explosion.
It was NOT full of weapons.
Ukraine killed dozens of their own people.

Right now Zelensky is sifting through the wreckage to see if there is anyone he can send back to the front.

No more money to the coin operated laundry that is Ukraine. Let them fight until their last dying soldier, that would be zelensky. There is zero national security interest in their border when we have the worst border invasion in the world at present.

You will never see him at the front or trying to defend that country, he is a beggar not a fighter.

And he can play the piano with his penis.

Tell me about Trump’s 5 draft deferrments, and how his bone spurs miraculously vanished without medical treatment.

You will never see him at the front or trying to defend that country, he is a beggar not a fighter.

Tell us about Bubba Clinton’s draft deferments.

Clinton isn’t running for office. Humpty Trumpty is.

So when did Humpty Dumpty serve in the military? He didn’t but did try to get his drug addled son in the Navy but cocaine got in Hunter’s way.

Is Trump trying to join the infantry? The straws you grasp at show how pathetically desperate and frustrated you are. Keep it up; it amuses us.

k tell me about Joes deferrment while he played football.
PS Trump avoided and prevented wars.
Biden received five draft deferments.

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01/24/24 – Russia Vectored A 100-Ton Cargo Plane To Belgorod, 20 Miles From Ukraine. So Of Course Ukraine Shot It Down.

Why the Russian air force thought it safely could fly lumbering Ilyushin Il-76 cargo planes into the Russian city of Belgorod—just 20 miles from the border with Ukraine and a mere 40 miles from the city of Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine—is a mystery.

But as Napoleon Bonaparte purportedly said, “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

On Wednesday, a Ukrainian missile apparently struck one of the four-engine Il-76s. The airlifter, weighing 100 tons while empty, spiraled to the ground. Radio Free Europe researchers identified three dead Russian crew members.

The Russian government couldn’t deny the Il-76’s destruction: it was captured on video by people on the ground, who swiftly posted on social media. There’s even video from the snowy crash site.

Nor was it terribly feasible to deny that Ukraine shot down the plane. An apparent smoke trail—evidence of a missile—is visible in one video.

But Russia could wrap the shoot-down in disinformation—or at least try to do so. The Il-76, one of around 130 in Russian military service, “was carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs for an agreed-upon exchange,” the foreign ministry in Moscow claimed. “All of them, as well as six crew members and three Russian officers on board the plane, were killed.”

That might be a lie. A video from the crash site does not depict a lot of bodies. And a list of prisoners the Russians claimed were on the Il-76 reportedly includes names of Ukrainian POWs Russia already exchanged…

Somebody definitely needs a cover story. Flying a slow-moving $50-million transport aircraft inside Ukrainian missile range was an astonishingly boneheaded move.

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If Trump was President, there would be no war in Ukraine.

Troubling Confirmation – Ukraine Intelligence Officer Confirms Fundamental Outline of Russian Claim Surrounding Airplane Shoot Down and Killed POW’s

On Wednesday, Russia claimed an IL-76 transport aircraft carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs was shot down en route to a POW exchange in the Belgorod region.

Western media, particularly those with a vested anti-Russia narrative, expressed skepticism of the Russian statement, including the claim that Ukraine had shot down the plane. However, the BBC has an outline [SEE HERE] based on a conversation with a Ukrainian intelligence official that seems to directly corroborate the Russian statements.

Oddly, but perhaps not unexpectedly, the BBC article is framed to retain the skepticism; however, if you read the article carefully, what you will notice is the details are generally confirmed.

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Yes, there was a prisoner exchange between Russia and Ukraine military that was supposed to take place in Belgorod on Wednesday, at the exact time the plane was shot down.  Yes, for some unknown reason the prisoner exchange did not take place as the POWs never arrived. Yes, there was a previous POW exchange that took place in this exact same Belgorod location, and yes, a Russian IL-76 aircraft was previously used to transport the Ukraine POWs.

(Via BBC) – … [Ukraine Intelligence Officer] Andriy Yusov stressed that Russia had provided no proof to back its claims there were. “There is no clear information about prisoners of war. There are only statements by Russia, of a political and propagandist nature,” he said. “Who or what was on board needs to be clarified.”

Mr Yusov, who is the first Ukrainian official interviewed by the BBC since the incident on Wednesday, accused Moscow of “hiding” information, with limited images from the crash site – including of any dead.

Here’s where the article seems to confirm the Russian story:

“Russian air defence was working against them. Belgorod is also potentially within the range of Ukrainian air defence systems.” … “On the prisoner swap, he confirmed an exchange had been planned on Wednesday “around lunchtime”. But it was meant to take place in the Sumy region, west of Belgorod.” … “He said the two sides implemented a ceasefire in Sumy, as agreed. “Unfortunately, the exchange did not happen.” … “On 3 January, during the previous swap, he said Ukraine was informed that Russia would use a plane. On Thursday, Ukraine’s Air Forces chief stressed that the country had the right to defend itself against attack by Russia and would continue to do so.” (link)

If you take out all the narrative engineering from the article, then just take those excerpts from Ukraine intelligence in total, they seem to confirm everything Russia outlined about the transport of 65 Ukrainian POWs to Belgorod.

Why would Russia have to tell Ukraine again how the POWs would arrive, when they already told them the first time – and they were simply repeating the same process.

The plane never arrived, and the 65 POW exchange never happened, because Ukraine shot down the Russian transport plane.

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Shot down by Ukraine to kill it’s own soldiers…..what a subhuman nature of government ……and most of the clappin seals in the Congress still support them…

Then there is a conspicuous similar story of our own:

Extortion 17 – A Media Ignored Event – Families Of The 30 Fallen Heroes from August 2011 Demand Answers….

“Extortion 17” was the call sign for the Chinook helicopter shot down in Afghanistan on the night of August 6th, 2011.  Among the killed in the crash were 25 special operations forces, including 15 members of SEAL Team 6, five National Guard troops, and eight Afghan nationals.

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Yesterday, the families of the military personnel killed in that crash held a press conference to lay out the cover-up by Obama and the military ever since.

(Via Canadian Free Press)  […]  Every American citizen must watch this video. The major Obama regime coverups did not occur only in Fast and Furious, the New Black Panther voter intimidation case and Benghazi. The man sitting in OUR White house is methodically destroying our country, our military and our very existence.

01/24/24 – Drones attack deep in Russia as Medvedev threatens Ukraine’s ‘existence’

Ukraine attacks military and energy infrastructure in at least three cities deep inside Russia, showing new drone capabilities.

Russia and Ukraine traded deadly aerial attacks on civilian centres in the past week of the war, but Ukraine also scored hits on military and economic infrastructure deep in the Russian heartland, extending its reach to St Petersburg for the first time.

Ukrainian military intelligence said it had struck an unspecified military target in St Petersburg on Thursday, using drones launched from Ukrainian soil.

Ukrainian strategic industries minister Oleksandr Kamyshin confirmed the attack, telling the World Economic Forum in Davos that the attack was carried out by a Ukrainian-built drone that had travelled 1,250km (780 miles) from Ukrainian soil.

Russia’s defence ministry said three drones had been launched and it had downed all three over the Gulf of Finland that day, one near an oil terminal.

On Sunday, Ukraine attacked again in several locations, and this time, the evidence of its success was clear.

Russian gas producer Novatek said it was suspending operations at a plant and loading terminal in the port of Ust-Luga near St Petersburg, following a fire, which Ukrainian media credited to due to a drone attack, citing Security Service (SBU) sources.

Novatek said it had resumed loading on Wednesday, but plant operations could take weeks or months to return to normal, analysts said. This meant the company would lose money, exporting low-value gas condensate rather than processed naphtha, jet fuel and gasoil.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said aerial defences were being strengthened following the attack.

Ukraine also claimed to have attacked the Shcheglovsky Val plant in Tula, 150km (93 miles) south of Moscow, which reportedly manufactures the Pantsir-S and Pantsir-S1 air defence systems.

Geolocated footage also showed smoke rising from the city of Smolensk, near the Russian border with Belarus, suggesting a possible third attack that day.

Ukraine has been developing its own long-range aerial and surface drones at least since the middle of last year, when it attacked several military targets in Crimea and the Black Sea.

Unlike donated Western weapons, they do not carry restrictions about their use on Russian soil.

Ukrainian National Defence and Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danilov claimed that Ukraine was among the top three drone manufacturers in the world.

Ukraine is suspected of being responsible for the shelling of Donetsk city in its occupied east, which killed at least 27 people on Sunday, although it did not claim the attack.

Russia has routinely targeted Ukrainian cities, and did so again with deadly results. Kharkiv bore the heaviest toll.

Russian missiles killed 18 people and injured an estimated 130 in various cities on Tuesday, but eight of the dead were in Kharkiv, said its mayor, which suffered three waves of attacks. At least 100 high-rise blocks had been hit in the city.

Ukraine defended its airspace from the repeated attacks.

It shot down 19 out of 20 Shahed drones last Wednesday, 22 out of 33 drones on Thursday, and four out of seven drones on Saturday.”…

F*ck Putin, f*ck Medvedev, and f*ck Trump.

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If Trump was President, there’d be no war in Ukraine. Robin Ware/Robert L. Peters/JRB Ware/Pedo Peter/idiot Biden’s incompetence enabled Putin to launch his was and Robin Ware/Robert L. Peters/JRB Ware/Pedo Peter/idiot Biden’s gutless response has assured Putin will win. I guess victory goes to the highest bidder.

 Andrew Korybko is an American “political analyst” living in Moscow who cranks out Kremlin propaganda. He holds a PhD from Moscow State Institute of International Relations, which is run by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so what would you expect?

Anyone who doesn’t agree with you you automatically call them a Russian hack, yet never do you mention Bernie Sanders.

You’re an idiot.

So why don’t you tell me who Andrew Korybko is. No doubt you can explain his connection with the #IstandwithRussia Facebook and YouTube propaganda campaigns.

The guy is an American Kremlin propagandist who studied at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, which is run by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is captained by Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov. Is that name familiar?

Trump supporters are naive beyond belief.

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