Obama/Biden The Chickenhawk and The Draft Dodger

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For eight years now there’ve been incessant complaints from people that George W Bush was a draft dogder, was awol from the Air National Guard (see also Dan Rather), that he should send his daughters to go fight in Iraq, that Vice President Cheney was a draft dodger because he had numerous college deferments, and that both men were hypocrites to send others off to war while they avoided service in Vietnam and refused to send their own children to fight in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

All of a sudden, those same critics of President Bush and Vice President Cheney have no problem at all and are completely silent with Barack Obama and Joe Biden.  Obama has already told us that he will continue the war in Iraq for at least 16 months (probably longer since tens of thousands of troops will remain after that 16 month time frame).  He’s promised to take those units of the so-called broken military pulled from Iraq, and rather than let them rest, send them to Afghanistan (could it be that the military we’ve been told was broken for 4years…really isn’t?).   Senator Obama’s told us he’s willing to risk war with Pakistan, and Iran.  Meanwhile, he himself has never served in a uniform.  His Vice President, Joe Biden, will have as many deferments from service in Vietnam as Dick Cheney, and despite claims of vast foreign policy experience, Joe Biden can’t seem to tell the difference between a battalion and a brigade (the difference is 1:3 in size and power respectively).

Yes, it’s true that Sen Biden has a son in the military, but somehow that son has managed to avoid combat duty for years, and is only now going to Iraq.  Is he a “senator’s son”?  They guy is going now, so does it matter?

Enter John McCain and Sarah Palin.  Both have kids in combat.  John McCain not only served, but his accomplishments and heroism is the stuff movies are made of (recall the footage of him rolling through the flames on the deck of the burning USS Forrestal?!).  Sarah Palin hasn’t served, but she is Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard.  Not to degrade the Delaware National Guard for example, but the Alaskan National Guard guys find Afghanistan warm and tropical by comparison to their 1 weekend a month and 2wks a year.  They’re a tough bunch.  Doubt her foreign policy ability?  That’s fine.   There’s not a lotta meat on her resume regarding that, but if she were to meet with Iranian leaders….does anyone doubt that a mother of 5 with a son in Iraq would be the most emphatic and effective person to discuss a halt of Iranian weapons shipments to Iraq?  I can’t see my mom accepting anything other than an, “OK!  OK!  Geez lady, we’ll stop!”   What would your mom do?  She’s certainly not going to be YEE-HAW(!)-reckless with the lives of men and women in uniform.

So where have all the anti-Bush/Cheney cries of “Chickenhawk!” and “draft dodger!” gone?  If they’re silent now in the face of Obama/Biden then the rantings were just rantings and not substantive.  Could it possibly be that all these years of smears have just been political and not substantive complaints?  Could it be that those people who made the claims about Bush and Cheney but are silent about Obama and Biden were just being insulting, low, and dishonorable?

For my money, I don’t think any of them are chickenhawks, but those who do ought to step back and do some soul-searching.

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On the other side of the isle …

“lunch-bucket Democrat.”

It’s true that when members of Congress release their assets and incomes, Mr. Biden famously ranks near the bottom of the pile. But let’s remember that we’re talking about a pretty privileged pile. Only in a place as removed from reality as the Beltway could a man who has spent more than three decades in the United States Senate be hailed as a working-class stiff.

Shades of Eagleton ? …

The spokesman, Peter Esker, said Senator Biden was awake, resting comfortably and talking with his family after the [May 4, 1988] operation, his second this year to correct an aneurysm. An aneurysm is a ballooning of an artery.
The 4 1/2-hour procedure was similar to that performed Feb. 12 on the left side of Mr. Biden’s brain. Under the procedure, a surgeon using a microscope pinches the aneurysm with a clip, bringing the walls of the artery together. The clip remains in the patient.

A continuation of the Cheney Vice-Presidency ? …

Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

Chip off the old block …

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate’s son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

This last one may explain why Obama is against going after the kids/family members.

But I have to ask did anybody vet this guy ?

Now we need some democrat (maybe Blather Rather) to visit a Tx stockyard and ‘buy’ Hussein O a heroic military record. While there they can ‘find’ Hanoi John ‘traitor’ Kerry’s service records. I still have a copy of the SF 180 saved on my computer (I’ve used it to release records for my daughter) if Hanoi needs another copy.

To the democrats I say ‘BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Now a new hurricane may pay the dhimmi congress critter from South Carolina back (by slamming S.C.) for laughing about Gustov interupting the RNCC. People of S.C., it’s time for a recall, he makes you all look like uncaring fools.

Neo shows the lack of duality in msm coverage re VP’s….VERY well.

Nice job

Great post Scott!

Wow Neo, that’s some stuffed lunchbucket! Also, I guess times have changed, my soldier boy has asthma and migraines, it didn’t stop him from enlisting and serving in Iraq.

Also, consider…

Sunday, August 24, 2008
OBAMA-BIDEN: FIRST TIME IN 68 YEARS A TICKET WITH NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE
Posted by: Michael Medved at 2:18 AM
THE OBAMA-BIDEN TICKET IS THE FIRST TICKET OF EITHER MAJOR PARTY IN SIXTY-EIGHT YEARS IN WHICH NEITHER THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT EVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY!

At a time of war, the Democrats give us something the nation hasn’t seen in more than two generations: a ticket where neither of the the running mates ever wore a uniform of any kind.

Shouldn’t Republicans make a big deal of this?

Consider the history–

2004 — GOP — Bush served in National Guard/ DEMS- Kerry served in the Navy
2000—GOP — Bush served in National Guard/ Al Gore served in the Army
1996 —GOP — Dole served in the Army/ Gore (Clinton’s running mate) served in the Army
1992— GOP — Bush Sr. served in the Navy/ Gore served in the Army
1988 — GOP– Bush Sr. served in Navy, Quayle served in National Guard/DEMS –Dukakis served in the Army and Bentsen served in the Army Air Corps
1984– GOP — Reagan, Army Reserves and active duty (Capt. Rank), Bush Sr. served in Navy/Mondale served in Army
1980–GOP — Reagan, Army, Bush Sr. served in Navy/Carter served as Naval Officer, Mondale in Army
1976–GOP –Ford servd in Navy, Dole in Army/ Carter, Navy, Mondale Army
1972–GOP — Nixon served in Navy, and Spiro Agnew in Army/ McGovern, Army Air Corps
1968– GOP– Nixon, Navy, Agnew Army/DEMS– Ed Muskie, Navy (Humphrey twied twice to enlist, turned down because of Hernia)
1964 — GOP — Goldwater, Major General in Air Force/ LBJ — Navy
1960 — GOP — Nixon, Navy, H.C. Lodge – Lt. Col in Army/ JFK and LBJ both Naval officers
1956– GOP— Eisenhower (are you kidding?), and Nixon, Navy/DEMS –Stevesnon, Navy
1952– GOP — Eisenhower (five star general) and Nixon, NAvy/ Dems, Stevenson, Navy
1948– GOP — Earl Warren (Dewey’s running mate). Army/ DEMS, Harry Truman, Army
1944–GOP — John Bricker (Dewey’s Running mate), Army Lt./ Harry Truman (FDR’s running mate), Army artillery officer

finally, you have to go all the way back to 1940 to find a ticket with no military experience: FDR and the pro-Stalin Henry Wallace (though FDR had been Assistant Secretary of the Navy during WW I). His opponent, Wendell Wilkie, by the way, served in the army in WWI.

In other words, in the last 68 years of American history we’ve had 32 tickets representing the two major parties. Every single one of those tickets featured at least one candidate — often both of them — with military experience. Obviously, the GOP ticket for 2008 will again feature a heroic veteran in one of its slots.

But the Democrats, at a time of war, offer us a modern first: a national ticket with two candidates who never served a day in uniform in any capacity.

And why didn’t Joe Biden serve? He’s a year younger than Dick Cheney, so even more subject to the Vietnam draft. Remember how Democrats reamed Cheney for his “five deferments” during the height of the war as he pursued his education.

So what about Biden? He graduated from the University of Delaware in 1965, just as the war began to escalate intensively and he would have been exposed to the draft. Instead, he attended law school (at Syracuse University) graduating in 1968– the very height of the war and the Vietnam draft.

And why didn’t Biden go to war — instead beginning the practice of law and his political career?

If he were a Republican, the press would be all over this one… remember what they did to Dan Quayle because he served “only” in the National Guard.

Meanwhile, whatever Biden’s story of draft avoidance (I’ve told my own tale in that regard, very candidly, in RIGHT TURNS), you know that if he were running on a GOP ticket the press would be grilling him already on his lack of service.

The sad fact remains that for the first time in 68 years we see a national ticket for a major party where neither the Presidential nominee nor the Vice Presidential nominee spent time in military service of any kind.

If someone has a link to a comment about Biden’s deferrments at Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, Think Progress, Truthout, Bartcop, Buzzflash, or any other far left site please post it.

68 years….wow. Even then one has to wonder if Sec of the Navy during WWI is on the same level as Illinois state legislator or community organizer?

why would the dems put up a candidate with zero military experience during a time of conflict? maybe you could argue that community organiser is experience enough, i guess it would depend on the community, maybe watts would do. i don’t think national service should be required of our youth, but i do believe it would be helpful in later life and i think it should be a requirement to be president. call me crazy but i think it would show a sense of national pride and responsibility. makes you wonder what the dems are thinking.

LOL Bush was in the National Guard. Good one.

What’s really funny is that George W Bush has more military experience than the entire Democratic Party ticket-even if he only showed up for a day.

What’s worse is Obama and Biden seem to keep being blindsided on simple issues and even issues they have strong feelings about. Even if Obama was a one issue candidate like universal health care he would have something to go on. He just wanders around aimlessly. Even Moses had a goal. That’s a good way to end up in every trap there is from economic traps to political traps to military traps. Any tin horned dictator or lobbist with a copy of a chess book or Art of War will just slice and dice Obama and then the nation as a whole. That’s why it takes $40 million a month to make him look good. It’s all props and movie style special effects. Mr. Gaff Central Bidin can’t help. He couldn’t even help himself when running for president. Obama has pissed off Hillary so there goes all those Clinton aids. That’s why Obama is stuck with advisors that haven’t seen action since the ’70s and the ones that got Carter in trouble. Obama couldn’t even see those advisors can’t help him and they have a known history of stupidity.

I’m also starting to doubt Obama’s teaching role as a law professor. The man can’t even talk without a script. During the job interview did he get to use a teleprompter? How could the man organize anything, he can’t even organize a simple sentence. I’d hate to be working as his translator in a foreign exchange. I’d also hate to be an allied leader talking to him. No wonder Obama doesn’t want to organize more free trade and is basically an isolationist. He just doesn’t want to talk to foreign leaders because their news telling the world that Obama just isn’t right in the head.

Well said Gregory