Late Saturday morning, a young white man entered a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and opened fire with an AK-47-style rifle, killing 20 people and injuring 26 more. Police apprehended the suspected shooter, a 21-year-old man from Allen, Texas. It didn’t take long for internet researchers to find a four-page manifesto posted less than an hour before the violence, a document that El Paso’s police chief appeared to later confirm was being examined by officials. The document had been uploaded to the notorious, unmoderated message board 8chan at 10:15 a.m. local time, and it included a request: “Do your part and spread this brothers!”
In the anti-immigrant screed, the author describes plans to perpetrate a mass shooting against the Latino people he believes are invading the United States, the weapons he will use to do it, and his white-nationalist beliefs. Soon after it was first posted on 8chan, the manifesto could be found on 4chan, another message board with scant rules about what people can or cannot share. And not long after that, it was circulating as images on Twitter and Facebook and easily findable in a Google image search. Clearly someone got the author’s message.
The writer of the manifesto said he was inspired by the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand—before which the gunman, another young white man, posted a sprawling essay on 8chan as well as a link to a Facebook Live broadcast of the massacre and instructions to share. That video was removed about 45 minutes after the broadcast began, giving his audience ample time to copy the footage. It was posted to Facebook 1.5 million times in the first 24 hours after the shooting.
The involvement of 8chan is becoming a familiar detail in cases of white-supremacist violence. The El Paso shooting appears to be the second one since the Christchurch massacre to draw from that killer’s playbook. About five weeks later, two hours before another young man murdered someone at a synagogue in Poway, California, the suspected shooter also posted a manifesto to 8chan. In it, he detailed his ideological rationale for mass murder and gave instructions to spread his words far and wide. Each of these shootings appeared to have been designed to go viral—a horrific act would catch the world’s attention, and a manifesto would deliver the hate-filled payload.
In light of this and the shooter in Dayton, here’s something I had written a while ago, just to get the conversation started (I’m literally out the door, about to be late to work; but wanted to get something up so readers could discuss/debate):
The trend over the last few decades (overall until maybe very recently) in murder rate and violent crime has been going down.
What’s really been changing is our connection to each other and to be overwhelmed with news. If it bleeds, it leads. Social media is lit up. Every morning on FB, friends and news sites are flooding my news feed with endless talks about the Florida shooting (back in February when it happened). And because of that? It’s a magnet that draws other troubled people to find attraction in earning “fame” and try and outdo the previous shooting that attracted so much notoriety for the shooter.Bullies and the bullied have been around for ages. The disturbed and mentally-sick; ones who don’t quite fit into society. Yet in the past, how many decided to act out through school shootings? When we consider how many schools in society exist, is it an epidemic uptick of school shootings? Or just that we live in the information highway age of social media and 24-7 news coverage of if-it-bleeds-it-leads? And does that massive amount of attention feed into the likelihood of inspiring other copycats who also seek attention and fame, even if it’s negative fame? Everyone seems to want to be noticed; even those not interested in harming society and achieving negative attention (look at all the Youtube channels from people trying to get subscribers and earn celebrity notoriety through facebook pages and video channels).This is a little dated now:Recent school shooters seem to indicate that their actions are finding inspiration from all the attention given to previous shootings.Joshua Alexander O’Connor from Everett, just a day or so before the Florida Stoneman Douglas school shooting:“O’Connor wrote that he wanted the death count to be as high as possible so that the shooting would be infamous, according to court papers. He went into detail about building pressure-cooker bombs, activating inert grenades and deploying explosives for maximum casualties.“I need to make this count,” O’Connor reportedly wrote. “I’ve been reviewing many mass shootings/bombings (and attempted bombings) I’m learning from past shooters/bombers mistakes.”And the Stoneman Douglas shooter himself made comments about wanting to become a professional school shooter and being influenced by those who came before him.“Investigators found messages on his cellphone that showed the teen had been planning an attack for at least a week at Jackson Middle School, near Massillon. He also showed admiration for the two students who carried out the Columbine High School shooting in Colorado nearly 19 years ago.“I’d hurt and destroy something bigger but my schools an easy target,” Simons wrote in one message found on his phone.“I want to leave a lasting impression on the world,” he said in another message written days before he took the.22-caliber gun to school on Feb. 20. “I’m going to die doing it.”He had been researching other school shooters for months and, determined to outdo them, learned exactly how many people they’d murdered: 13 at Columbine High; 26 at Sandy Hook Elementary; 32 at Virginia Tech.“I think ill probably most likely kill around 50 or 60,” Jesse declared. “If I get lucky maybe 150.”On Valentine’s Day, at the same time police say another angry teen, Nikolas Cruz, slaughtered 17 people at a Parkland, Florida, high school with a semiautomatic AR-15, Jesse was sitting in a South Carolina courtroom, waiting to find out if he would be tried as an adult for a 2016 rampage that left his father and a 6-year-old dead.The two teens have much in common. Both, investigators say, tortured animals, obsessed over guns and bragged of their deadly intentions on social media. And in the hours after Cruz’s alleged killing spree, as the nation began, once again, to ask why, a group of detectives, prosecutors and psychiatrists were providing answers about Jesse, now 15. He’d detailed his motives in dozens of online messages, in his 46-page confession and in lengthy interviews with doctors who evaluated him, offering extraordinary insight into the mind of an American school shooter.For Peter Langman, one of the country’s leading experts on the subject, the teen’s calculated approach and lack of empathy called to mind Eric Harris, one of the Columbine killers Jesse idolized.“The coldbloodedness, the callousness of the attack — not only before but afterwards,” said Langman, who was not involved in the case but has reviewed Jesse’s confession. “Even having done it, he’s not struck with horror or guilt.”In fact, James Ballenger, a psychiatrist who interviewed Jesse for a total of nine hours, found that the teen reveled in what he’d done.“He wants to talk about how dangerous he is,” Ballenger testified. “He wanted people to know.”~~~~“I HAVE TO BEAT ADAM LAZA …,” he wrote nine days before the Sept. 28, 2016, shooting in a misspelled reference to the Sandy Hook killer, Adam Lanza. “Atleast 40.”
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
@Rich Wheeler: How many times do we have to say we dont agree 100 percent with everything Trump says or does you continue to parrot your boob tube by thinking everyone who voted for Trump walks lock step with the man.
@kitt: OK now pls remind 05 what you said about any pol that supports Red Flag #80
She doesn’t seem to have any basic reading skills.
Just likes to spout her crap over and over—not always boring but truly a bore.
Who would you like to primary Trump and take him out of office?
@Richard Wheeler:
Just for you Wheeler:
“It’s such a shame that two of our local politicians (I refuse to say their names as they don’t deserve it) are saying that our President is not welcome on Wednesday. I cannot believe how these monsters are using the tragic event to push their political agenda. I lost my brother and sister-in-law on Saturday. My family and I are living a horrible nightmare. The visit from our President will be more than comforting to my family. He will not be here for a political agenda. The two monsters from El Paso, who do not deserve to be mentioned by name nor even the nicknames I have for them, are just pure evil. My brothers body was still laying at Walmart on Saturday night when they decided to make this into a political issue and push their agenda by blaming our President for this. Rather than focusing on the situation and the individual who destroyed the lives of many, these evil people selfishly turned this into a political war. I’m equally as angered by those two as I am with the person who took my brother and his wife from me, typing this I think I feel more animosity towards those two evil politicians. – Deborah”
It was taken from her Facebook page and even in her grief she can see your party for what it is; a party of division and hate. God bless her and her family. Too bad you don’t have the same insight as this young woman.
@retire05: Victims in the hospital are telling Trump not to come. That should surprise no one. He is not wanted in El Paso tomorrow’
You made it clear what you think of the people of El Paso in #93
Trumps hateful rhetoric even worse.– he shouldn’t come. They’ve made it clear he’s part of the problem. If he had any compassion for the people of El Paso he’d stay away—but he doesn’t have a compassionate bone in his body
“division and hate” Trump stirs that pot wherever he goes.
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@Richard Wheeler:
What were the “hate-filled and inciteful words”? Provide those statements, along with the context, not the liberal interpretation of what they find it politically convenient to think what he would have said if he was as big a racist as they actually find it politically beneficial to think he is.
Provide the hateful and inciteful (not a word, by the way) words.
A DEMOCRAT, and Democrats routinely politicize and exploit tragedies for their personal benefit and don’t mind lying about what Trump does or says. But, I’m sure in this case you will answer my question and provide those actual quotes showing all that hatred.
@kitt: Any “red flag” law should be nothing but an enhancement of what the current background check should already be doing. Any violence or criminal activity in one’s past (including involvement in political violence, threats or doxxing) should be able to be accessed by the FBI.
What we have seen is some vital information suppressed based on race. This, along with massive government incompetence and police cowardice on the scene, made Parkland possible. What should be rejected without debate is any of the “technology” such as used by Twitter, Facebook or Google to ban free speech and target political disagreement with their personal ideology. Frankly, NO Democrat should be allowed to have any say in the decision. They have proven themselves, as a group, to be incapable of adult, objective thought.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/33057-despite-leftist-media-claims-el-paso-shooter-is-one-of-them
It doesn’t appear that the El Paso shooter’s “manifesto” entirely supports Trump. He makes it clear he was concerned with corporate influence in government, over-population and, especially, the environment. If THOSE concerns are the focus with no other parts mentioned, as the liberal media has done other parts, this guy appears to be left wing.
Uh oh.
@Rich Wheeler: Just STFU for goodness sake turn off the TV and get out of that liberal idiot bubble.
The POTUS is going to both cities to mourn and pray with fellow citizens touched by tragedy, democrats and MSLSD are just going to try to be a bit more classy and STFU. Dems dont speaks for everyone especially in Texas. The President cant go to one and not the other. If they dont want to see him dont go to the memorial, see how simple it is.
Can they just stick with bitching about Melanias shoes, or making sh!t up about Barron?
They can all gather and sacrifice a chicken to Moloch, maybe fly one of their own planes to pedo island.
It is YOU who has his hands on the big ol spoon of the division and hate pot, just taking your turn Richie?
@Deplorable Me: Dont fall into the Medias and Democrats love for gutting the constitution.
We all must stick together and say SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. The Bill of rights did not have any qualifiers on that.
Some deranged person shoots up a Walmart does that mean everyone loses their rights?
@kitt:
Certainly not. However, when someone PROVES they are a threat to society, they should not be allowed to put MY rights at risk.
The Dayton shooting could have been prevented, the El Paso shooting wouldn’t have.
@Deplorable Me: So Due Process and Right to bear arms for everyone is on the table for you, they are after free speech too, shall we add that?
What if having no access to a firearm for the Dayton guy means he throws a bomb into the bar, he just wanted to kill, he could have used any number of methods.
@kitt: No, that’s not what I said. Calm down. Criminal history is to be accessed by the background check system, and this would include pre-adult events, regardless of race. People making threats should also be looked at. It’s not complicated; what is currently lacking is the politically correct and ideological restraints put on the process, not further invasion of privacy.
@Rich Wheeler: @Greg: Trump has displayed a distrust of the intelligence community at times. Gee, I wonder why?
Is there a point at which you liberals recognize your own maniacal obsession with demonizing Trump and how pathetic you actually look, or is that too much to hope for?
@Deplorable Me: Worry not I am very calm, You know anytime they get more power they abuse it.
Just to have more and more power of control.
I dont want a kid flagged for life because he screams at another boy “‘ll kill you” because he flirted with the kids girlfriend, or he wore a MAGA hat and the social studies teacher was triggered.
Give no quarter, its simple.
They will never attain universal background checks, bad guys that want a gun will find another bad guy to sell them a gun.
@kitt:
Nor do I. Yet, if some “kid” is consistently and repeatedly violent in school or in public, this should comprise a record. If a “kid” threatens students or authority, it should be recorded, with context.
The threat to society is not the gun; it is the mentality and that mentality is deteriorating rapidly due to ignoring the problems. Do violent video games warp minds? Probably not. Do they have an affect on someone mentally unstable? Probably so.
And, no, “universal” (i.e., controlling gifts or personal transactions) are NOT part of my calculus.
@Rich Wheeler:
Really? And you know that how? How many of the victims in the hospital have you talked to? Or are you just making judgments based on what Robert Francis is blowing out of his pie hole?
I made it clear that they should not have voted for Robert Francis. Or the loser woman who is their State Rep.
What hateful rhetoric? Quote him verbatim. Do not change one damn word.
How would you know? I do know you want someone to TAKE HIM OUT. And that’s not inciteful? What about what the Dems, like Robert Francis, are saying? Are they not being inciteful? How about Robert Francis, Kamala, and the others that are trying to raise campaign funds using the shootings? Do you agree with that? Do you agree with the little Commie twin, Juaquin Castro, doxxing Republican donors?
El Paso is part of Texas, Wheeler, not part of Loonafornia. And Texans are not objecting to Trump’s visit as much as the left wing, including idiots like you, are. For your side of the aisle, it’s not about the pain of the people of El Paso, it’s all about never letting a crisis go to waste politically.
Not that I expect you to EVER answer any questions I asked you. It’s not what you do. You only make radical statements like TAKE HIM OUT. You never criticize what your side of the aisle does. And not one damn comment from you about the post made on Facebook by someone who lost her brother and sister-in-law to the El Paso shooter. Talk about lack of compassion. All you can do is continue to spew the vile rhetoric of your left wing handlers.
Keep your ass in California. That state deserves you. You’re nothing more than another hypocrite.
@retire05: The left has to manipulate Trump’s words and delete context to make him sound racist or inciting. Yet, HERE are the left’s actual words:
NBC is so desperate for anti-Trump propaganda that they have a guy claiming Trump flew flags at half mast to honor Hitler
https://www.infowars.com/former-fbi-official-trump-ordered-flags-flown-at-half-staff-to-honor-hitler/
MSNBC toning down the rhetoric: “Trump seems to want massecres”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2019/08/06/mika-trump-seems-want-mass-murders-happen
Liberal “journalists” outraged that Dayton shooter’s liberal Twitter account was revealed
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/journalists-are-throwing-hissy-fits-over-factual-reporting-of-dayton-shooters-politics/
MSNBC allows a speaker to claim Trump wants to exterminate Hispanics
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2019/08/06/nicolle-wallace-trump-talking-about-exterminating-latinos?fbclid=IwAR36s3Q7DDoMgyTDFVk2yCH6wpTKzcEJM15LAZQhN7cQAzICSkYt8f_XMwA
Dan Rather(lie): Trump won’t say the things we need him to say to match our vilified image of him, so just make up your own quotes
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2019/08/06/rather-demands-press-psychoanalyze-trump-instead-report-his-words
Loud, promoting violence, vile protest of McConnell’s home does not, apparently, violate Facebook’s community standards
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/protesters-shout-death-threats-outside-mitch-mcconnells-home/
CNN’s Lemon can’t get black Pastor (who turns into a “controversial” pastor during the interview) to be black properly
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2019/08/02/nasty-don-lemon-attacks-black-pastor-who-met-trump-why-should
The left, on an industrial scale, promotes hate, racism and violence regularly. Do Greg or Rich EVER denounce it? No, never. Rich says he denounces ANTIFA, yet he has nothing to say about his Democrats who won’t and actually DEFEND them.
@Deplorable Me:
There are no words to express how angry I am at the left. I’m sick of this crap. I’m sick of Greggie Goebbels lies. I’m sick of Wheeler’s lies. Wheeler wants someone to TAKE HIM OUT, meaning Trump. And that is not inciteful? What does anyone think when they hear someone say “That guy should be taken out?” Is Wheeler going to claim he was simply talking about lunch? No, he revealed his true feelings with that one slip up. Why wouldn’t Wheeler answer my question if he supports Black Lives Matter? He wants the division. It’s how his party wins.
For decades, Republicans endured the slings and arrows of the left and did nothing. Trump fights back. And the left doesn’t know how to handle that. Trump exposes their lies, and the lies of the in-the-pocket-of-the-Dems left wing media. Don LeMon should be removed from tv and never allowed in polite society again. Maybe Wheeler would like to compare Trump’s words (what he actually said) to LeMon’s words. Who is actually fomenting division?
No, Wheeler won’t denounce what is said by the left. He will eat up every word by (the privileged brat) Cory Booker, and the fake Hispanic Robert Francis who’s Spanish is pathetic. These people feed on tragedy. They eat it up, savoring every word. If it bleeds it leads and they want us to bleed, all thinking it gives them political gain in their goal of total power because power, over all of us, is what the left wants.
Every conservative should read Antonio Gramsci. They would then know exactly what the Democrats are doing. No Marx styled revolution. Just use mentally ill individuals to kill the rest of us and then decry the words of their opponents place the blame on conservatives, not themselves. That is why the Ohio shooter’s motivations, and the motivation of the ball field shooter, were downplayed by the media. Can’t point fingers at the ones who actually incited violence just the ones on the right side of the aisle who they claim incite violence.
We are in a war for our nation and the Democrats are hell bent to take it over, one way or another, by any means, to promote their welfare society and eradicate any semblance of our Constitution.
@retire05:
He is just parroting the hateful, violent rhetoric the left spews out every day. Left wing politicians, media mouths and entertainers all issue violent instructions to some useful idiot with the intent of inciting violence. What do you expect?
You and I both have asked for those words. Trump is such a racist and so often spreads racist hatred that it should be simple to find examples yet… nothing.
Meanwhile,
Study shows racism has DECREASED since Trump’s election
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13487&fbclid=IwAR0yU6UTqbqtoTnxpSqzTC7CLQo6ulypd-bm1L3z0Mlsofjtvr74-UW1QX0
Despite their prejudices about Trump’s racism, they find racism is decreasing. They can’t explain it because they cannot turn loose of their prejudiced bias, but they can’t provide actual examples of racist statements from Trump… but, by God, he’s a racist.
The MEDIA is fully to blame for this atmosphere. If they would DARE to ask these blathering idiots to provide the EXAMPLE of Trump’s “hateful, racist rhetoric”, then call them on their manipulation and misuse of the words he actually said, they would grow weary of the embarrassment of having their lies exposed and either stick to the truth or get out of politics. But, since the liberal media is a complicit co-conspirator in this assault on fact and truth, that is not likely.
@Deplorable Me:
Just look at some of the headlines today:
Commie Castro doxxes Republican voters
The Mayor of Dayton encourages protests against Trump
Protesters at the home of Mitch McConnell want him stabbed in the heart
And yet, it is the Right that is accused of inciting violence.
Will Wheeler denounce these actions? He hasn’t so far but demands that we denounce “white supremacy”. The policy of double standards reign supreme with the left.
What this is doing to people…
…and let’s not forget kids afraid of their schools, and parents afraid of their kids’ playgrounds.
@retire05, #116:
That has been noted. It’s a symptom of a disorder, which Donald Trump has been regularly stoking to harness and use politically. Which, of course, you will deny, and then predictably project that very tactic onto the people who are pointing it out.
Refer to the immediately preceding post. People are not this edgy because democrats are talking about guns and the violence. People are this edgy because of the gun violence that democrats are talking about.
The republican solution thus far seems to be the thought that everybody should be armed and ready to shoot the bad guys. “More guns, less violence.”
That thought is crazy.
Pop history quiz: When order came to Dodge City, why were visitors required to check their guns with the sheriff or at the stables while in town, and why were locals who kept them for home defense forbidden to carry them out in public?
(A) Because Dodge City was presided over by a leftist, anti-2nd Amendment Democratic Party sheriff; or
(B) Because it reduced the number of people killing each other.
@retire05: The Dayton shooter was spotted at an ANTIFA rally opposing a KKK rally armed with the AK he used in his massacre. No doubt, had he opened fire on the KKK, the left would have cheered because he killed some THEY have designated deserved to be killed.
The left provides plenty of real documented examples of hate speech. For them to find some to complain about from Republicans, they have to make it up.
@Greg:
Even though I was no fan of Obama, I NEVER posted anything remotely hateful and vile about him as you have about our President. Get a transcript of Joe Biden’s speech given just today. If you think he was not promoting division and hatred, you are delusional.
You on the left lost the election in November 2016 but you just knew that Hillary Clinton, one of the most crooked politicians to ever run for the Office of President, would win. It was guaranteed. She was a shoe-in. Every talking head on the alphabet networks told us she would win. But the American people, in their wisdom you leftists fail to acknowledge, had a different idea. So here we are, almost three years later, and you’re still so butthurt you can’t handle it.
Yeah, I’m angry at you left wingers. Just take a look at what the left is saying after 31 people lost their lives in El Paso and Ohio. If the rantings of Robert Francis and Cory Booker are not divisive to you, you have no soul.
For neither of those reasons. Dodge City had gained a bad reputation due to the saloons and whore houses where a cattle driver and his pay were quickly separated. And because the LEOs the city hired had reputations of their own and didn’t need the competition.
There are 30 people buried in Boot Hill. The worst year of Dodge saw FIVE killings. Between 1876 and 1885, FIFTEEN people were killed in a city that had a population of almost 1,000. In that ten year span, that averages to 1.5 people killed in Dodge City. Dime novels made Dodge City appear worse than it really was.
How many were killed in Chicago last weekend, Greggie Goebbels?
Damn, I can’t believe you are such an idiot you buy into the whole “wild, wild West” b/s that was created by dime novels. But then, I shouldn’t be surprised.
@retire05: Yeah, see, YOU are not allowed to get upset over the hateful and violent things Democrats actually DO and SAY. However, Democrats are justified in going absolutely insane simply because Trump was elected, before he ever enacted a single policy. They are justified in calling for his impeachment, imprisonment and assassination based solely and wholly on the simply fact that he, not Hillary, was elected.
That’s the difference.
That’s all they have. ALL they have. Perhaps too many are figuring out that $4 trillion a year for health care alone is NOT going to happen and they are simply not listening any more. For whatever reason, all the Democrat candidates seem to think they have to take a page out of the Nazi playbook that they have to VILIFY someone or some people and create an ENEMY to HATE. Only hate unifies and motivates the left.
It should be noted that the CRIMINALS guns were taken, not just the law abiding. When NYC employed “Stop and Frisk”, those found illegally in possession of a weapon were disarmed and crime plummeted. The left didn’t like that; it violated criminal’s rights. They only like to violate LAW ABIDING CITIZEN’S rights. As soon as the Democrats can assure me and prove that all criminals and terrorists have been disarmed and rendered unable to cause mayhem, then I will consider giving up my guns. A clear sign will be when THEY give up THEIR armed protection.
@Deplorable Me:
If I say that Democrats base their entire platform on dividing people according to their race/ethnicity/identity, I am the racist.
If I say that the left, like Joe Biden’s speech today, is designed for no other reason that to create hate for Donald Trump and Trump supporters, I am the bigot.
If I say that Democrats want to take away our freedoms, one at a time, I am the dumb one who is against progression.
If I am upset because my Christian faith is demeaned, I am a radical religionist.
If I believe that all nations have sovereign borders that should be honored, I am a hater of Hispanic people.
If I am not apologetic because my skin is light, I am not only denying my “white” privilege, I am a white supremacist.
And so it goes. And I am sick of it.
Democrats understand that a divided nation hands them elections.
Today, Biden slammed all Americans who support President Trump when he said:
““Energetic embrace of this president by the darkest hearts and most hate-filled minds in this country say it all,”
@retire05: Those are just labels intended to shut you up. It doesn’t work anymore.
@retire05, #124:
It does indeed say something about Donald Trump, which a majority of his mainstream supporters seem to either deny, be indifferent to, or pretty much miss entirely. And they aren’t who Joe Biden was referring to, as anyone who has a fair grasp of the English language and current events should immediately understand.
@Greg: I wonder why the Democrats didn’t address this problem when they had a super majority in Congress and the White House for two years? Why didn’t they address it when they controlled the White House and Senate for another 4 years?
Democrats have NO IDEA what they want to do besides erase the 2nd Amendment to make it easier to put their beloved police state in place.
ALL the hateful rhetoric comes from the left. From top to bottom, the left shows their desperation.
@Greg:
So it is clear that the hate filled speech given by Biden today meets with your approval. Got it.
Do you denounce the divisive and hateful rhetoric of Robert Francis O’Rourke?
Do you denounce the doxxing of campaign donors by Joaquin Castro?
No spin, Greg, just a simple “yes” or “no.”
I always hope the FA squad will show a modicum of intelligence–rarely surfaces E.P shooter writes “simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by invasion.”
Trump on numerous occasions has spoke of the invasion at our southern border–
His rally’s—“You look at what’s marching up-invaders’
calls them aliens rather than illegals,
Kitt called for anyone who supports Red Flag to be removed–That of course includes DT who we know has voiced his support—-I mentioned Kasich and Sanford have said they might primary DT—NO NO she says—I say who do you think should take him out—–05 goes nuts LOL.
I got a wife and a life I’m sure the squad will continue to pound away—over 15 posts and many hundreds of words in last 10 hours—enjoy yourselves
@retire05, #122:
And what is your point? Innocent people are just as dead of gun violence in Chicago, Illinois as they are in El Paso, Texas or Dayton, Ohio, aren’t they? Will Trump be visiting Chicago to console the survivors and grieving families?
Apparently there is some difference. You can speculate if you wish. I have no comment.
@retire05, #128:
I consider their words to be mostly valid observations and push back.
My chief complaint about Biden is that I don’t think he’s the best candidate to take Trump out in the 2020 election. There has to be a clear and indisputable winning margin, because the Russians are likely attack the voting process in 2020 WITH THE INTENTION of being caught at it. Their objective will be to throw any result into doubt. The doubt will seem credible because very little has been done to protect the process since their last effort, despite all evidence and warnings. Consequently, national unity is even more vulnerable to external attack than previously. 2020 will be a perfect set-up for the perfect storm, and we could be caught flat-footed.
@Greg:
Of course not. You’re a coward and a total piece of manure. You will rail on your opponents, with no qualms about lying if necessary, but you won’t call out the radical hateful actions of your own.
You deserve no respect.
@Greg:
Oh, so you rethought your last response and added:
Well, of course you do, Greggie Goebbels. You are fine with people dealing in hate as long as they are the party you support.
@Richard Wheeler:
Leftists have been organizing “caravans” of 15,000 illegal immigrants at a time. These huge groups are designed to hit our border facilities en masse. What would YOU call it?
Kitt has a view of red flag laws like that that Obama was trying to institute, to do things like prohibit any veteran that seeks help from the VA or elderly needing help with their Social Security. No doubt the left will do anything they can to ban whomever they can from exercising their rights. My idea is to use criminal and mental health records.
@Greg:
The point is that Democrats create the problems and make them worse. Democrats created widespread poverty in Chicago and when crime ran rampant, their solution was to disarm the innocent, law abiding citizens instead of treating crime and poverty harshly.
THAT’S the point.
They shouldn’t worry; if the Democrats lose, they’ll take care of that, just as they did in 2016. If you actually BELIEVE the Russians substantially interfered in 2016, you should be AGAINST Biden, because he was one of the people that let it happen.
@Richard Wheeler:
If someone enters your home without your permission, how it that listed on a police report? Home INVASION.
Oh, my, bad, bad Trump calls illegals “aliens.” Never mind that the federal government, under the Obama administration, labeled children who came across our borders without parents and without our nation’s permission UACs. Unaccompanied alien children.
Wheeler, you’re a moron.
Now take your wife down off the shelf (that’s where trophies are kept) and take the poor girl to dinner.
@Deplorable Me:
Correct no doubt at all. There are already criminal back ground checks. Do you want mental health checks? Some test perhaps, or open medical records?
@retire05: We’re going out right now–took me till my 50’s but better late than never—“a happy wife is a happy life.” Absolutely nothing wrong with putting someone you love on a pedestal.
You are calling people morons. idiots and other crass invectives so often your words lose all power. Learned at an early age to “eschew the superlative”
Later er much later
Tulsi 2020
@Richard Wheeler:
Just you and your Socialist buddy, Greggie Goebbels.
And calling you a moron is the most polite thing I could think of. You’ve been raggin’ on me for years and I am not going to take your crap any more (remember you drew first blood years ago). Just be glad we are not face to face. That would allow me to tell you what I really think of you. You would not like it.
@Richard Wheeler: You’ve had all day to provide those “hate-filled and inciteful words”. Oh… I get it; there’s a MOUNTAIN of them readily available PROVING he is hate filled. Just like the collusion evidence.
So, we all agree that it’s clear that they ARE no “hate-filled and inciteful words” of Trump’s. More left wing lies.
@Deplorable Me:
Greggie Goebbels said:
The next time he screams RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!! point him to this article:
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/google-expert-drops-jaws-explaining-gave-hillary-10-million-votes/
There is a link in the article to Dr. Robert Epstein’s opening testimony. Read it. And keep in mind that Dr. Epstein is a liberal, a Democrat and voted for Hillary Clinton.
Tuesday I typed “Beto campaign” into my search engine. The first link that came up was ActBlue, a far left organization that supports far left candidates and a far left agenda. I used Yahoo for that search, and Dr. Epstein talks about Yahoo in his testimony.
Now, take into consideration that this testimony was just given last month. Have you seen anything in any of the news agencies about his findings? No. You haven’t. Not even on Fox and darn sure not on any of the alphabet networks. Why? Because it shows that any interference by the Russians in our elections is child’s play compared to what the American companies running the internet has done.
@retire05: The most hilarious thing about the American companies affecting 2016, is the other candidates before the primary were shadowbanned on twitter, they chose to not shadowban Trump, thinking he didnt have a chance in hell. Trump got millions and millions of “ANYONE BUT HER” votes.
@retire05, #139:
Dr. Robert Epstein has harbored a grudge against Google since 2012, when Google Search flagged his website with an automated warning that the site contained malware which could infect the computers of unsuspecting visitors. Epstein responded by firing off an angry emails, contacting his congressman, writing editorial letters condemning Google, and threatening legal action if the warning wasn’t removed. Subsequently it was discovered that his website had been hacked and was, in fact, being used to distribute malware, at which point he began condemning Google for defaming him and not helping him fix the problem. That, of course, isn’t Google’s responsibility. He should have contacted the tech support department of his own web host.
Google and other internet companies are trying to develop automated software that helps detect and reduce use of their technologies to spread false news and engage in other forms of social media manipulation. Good for them. Meanwhile, republicans are falsely accusing Robert Mueller of perjury because he hasn’t provided evidence proving Russian troll farm operations are instruments of the Russian government. I find it difficult to believe they’re actually that stupid, so I’ll put it down to seriously screwed up priorities.
@Greg:
There isnt any evidence to back the accusation. And only after a Judge telling his hit team to stop lying or face contempt, he came out with it in his no questions presser.
He then denied it under oath, he lied by his own standards of perjury trap forced confessions.
Mueller shouldnt play a game if he isnt ready to play by the rules he and Weinstein set up.
Was CNN prostituting themselves with the FBI for classified information to report? https://truepundit.com/sex-scandal-rocks-fbi-top-agents-under-fire-for-reported-sexua
I guess if you might have negative sounding info about Trump you can grab them by the…….
@kitt, #142:
Were you expecting Robert Mueller to produce internal records fully documenting the transfer of rubles from the account of Yevgeny Prigozhin to that of the Internet Research Agency’s St. Petersberg troll farm?
The FBI and various components of our own nation’s intelligence community are all in agreement about what happened. Official reports have been issued saying as much. They are also unlikely to make public their intelligence sources and evidence—a fact that Mueller’s attackers are relying upon.
@Greg: Nice conspiracy theory, but when in court you present the evidence. It put up or shut up time.
Even Mueller cant just put baseless theories before a court.
Yes sir we rely on facts.
@Greg:
There was never any doubt in my mind that you would find some reason to discount Dr. Epstein’s testimony. It’s what you do. Funny this Dr. is well received in his scientific community but we should discount his testimony because, well…………………..Greggie Goebbels says so.
Perhaps I should have sued you when I clicked on one of your links and my computer got a virus that created an unnecessary expense for me to have it removed. That is why I warn other FAers not to click on your links. And don’t tell me I can’t know if it was one of your links. It was. My click history proved it.
I know you deal in stupidity, but you also deal is falsehoods. Mueller, who could not prove to a judge that the Russian firm he has accused of being a Russian troll farm, paid by the Kremlin, was actually guilty of his claims. He was ordered to not speak publically about the case or the defendants. He did. Twice. So, if nothing else, Mueller has violated a court order.
As reasons go, it seems like a good one. Dr. Epstein is not exactly unbiased with regard to Google.
No doubt from a website on your personal enemies list. I’d be interested in the details. I’ve never had any sort of warning or security alert on any of the links I’ve posted, nor have I ever picked up any virus or malware by clicking on them myself.
That would be a load of steaming republican horse manure, shoveled out to cover the fact that Russian operatives worked to Donald Trump’s benefit in the 2016 presidential campaign, employed illegal means to do so, and are almost certainly preparing to meddle in the 2020 elections in some similar fashion.
The FBI and our own intelligence community have explained this and warned of the ongoing threat. The republican response has been to demand that they prove it, to allow the Trump administration to systematically remove his critics, and to investigate the nation’s investigators. But then the GOP is no longer what it was. It too has been purged of Trump critics.
@Greg:
And why did he also mention Yahoo? And you are not exactly unbiased toward anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your political viewpoints or agenda.
I don’t have a personal enemies list. That obviously is a Democrat thing and I’m not a Democrat.
@Greg:
No, perjury because he lied about why he called a special press conference to clarify that there was no evidence of Russian troll farms.
Would that be people like this? Or Brennan, who has been caught lying numerous times and was one of those people with the “mountain” of evidence PROVING Trump was a traitor that colluded with Russians… evidence that suddenly evaporated when Mueller’s report came out?
This? Alex Jones is a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
@Greg: Mueller is a left wing conspiracy theorist, could not prove his theory in a court of law, was told by a judge to STFU.
You can add CNN the prostitute channel and MSNBC no one wants to sleep with any of those freaks, NYT, WAPO, down to PBS as conspiracy theorists. No matter what documentaion you put in front of them they discount it and forge on with severe fact allergy and terminal TDS.