Another Historic First For Obama & Pals…Holder Held In Contempt


ABC News spent all of 30 seconds on the first cabinet member to ever be held in contempt:

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Shocking right? I mean the there is no MSM bias right?

Imagine if this had happened during Bush’s tenure….the media ran non-stop stories about the desk jockey at the CIA getting outed but the Attorney General of the United States being held in criminal and civil contempt? Yawn.


The House of Representatives voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress Thursday for failing to provide documents relating to the Fast and Furious gunwalking program.

The House took two votes, one on criminal contempt charges, which passed 255-67. The criminal contempt of Congress is likely not to go anywhere as the Justice Department, which Holder heads, is the department responsible for opening a criminal investigation.

The second charge, which passed 258 – 95, was a civil contempt charge, could move to federal court where it could take years to litigate. Though the action puts more pressure on the administration to abide by the subpoenas and provide requested documents.

Meanwhile, meet the 17 Democrats who voted with Republicans:

Candidate District Opponent
Mike Ross AR-04 Tom Cotton
John Barrow GA-12 TBD
Leonard Boswell IA-03 Tom Latham
Joe Donnelly IN-SEN Richard Mourdock
Ben Chandler KY-06 Andy Barr
Tim Walz MN-01 TBD
Collin Peterson MN-07 TBD
Mike McIntryre NC-07 David Rouzer
Larry Kissell NC-08 TBD
BIll Owens NY-21 Matt Doheny
Kathy Hochul NY-27 Chris Collins
Dan Boren Retiring TBD
Mark Critz PA-12 Keith Rothus
Jason Altmire Retiring
Jim Matheson UT-04 Mia Love
Ron Kind WI-03 TBD
Nick Rahall WV-03 Rick Snuffer

Of the seventeen, two are retiring (one unwillingly), one is currently in the process of losing the Indiana Senate race, three (Kind, Peterson, & Walz) are currently rated as being in ‘safe’ districts… and the other eleven are pretty much scared out of their minds that they’re going to be tossed out on their ears in November. With good reason: every one of these people have been tainted by their willingness to enable House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s radical agenda, and the GOP will cheerfully replace them with actual conservatives – i.e., Republicans – in a heartbeat.

And the funny part? If the Democrats want to even pretend to be trying to get the House back, they’re going to have to support every single one of these candidates who is running for re-election.

It should be humorous to watch as Democrat leadership supports those Democrats who crossed party lines and voted with Republicans. Did they vote their conscious? I doubt it…as Moe Lane illustrated above, it’s because they are soon to be voted out of office. But at least they weren’t being the partisan hacks like Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats who did that walk-out circus act today.

Exit video:

Rep. Trey Gowdy – “For those of you who wanted to negotiate a compromise, an ‘extraordinary accommodation’ to use the Attorney General’s words, for those of you who want to plea bargain my question to you is simply this, would you settle for just 75 percent of the truth? Is 50 percent of the truth enough for you? Is a third?”


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The Mainstream Liberal Media IS a Joke ! God i hope my fellow Americans wake up , see a turd like it really is. Even if Holder is held responsible , you can bet Barry will pardon him whether he wins or loses.

If republican political strategists wanted more coverage of their House contempt vote, maybe they should have had the sense to schedule it for a news day that didn’t coincide with the announcement of the Supreme Court decision on Affordable Healthcare. How obvious was that?

But that’s almost beside the point. The republican House has credibility issues to begin with. It probably wouldn’t help if it became widely known that they were being threatened by the NRA to vote exactly as the NRA dictated, or else. Which virtually all of them did.

So much for voting your conscience.

Meanwhile, as the House finds Holder in contempt, the entire picture that Issa and other republicans have been pitching seems to be unraveling. A lot of people seem to forget that it was never more than hypothetical to begin with.

From The Seattle Times, June 27; ATF agent who started ‘Fast and Furious’ defends operation:

According to Newell, there is no evidence that Holder or any high-ranking Justice Department official knew the ins and outs of his gun case. But plenty of other officials in the ATF and the Phoenix U.S. Attorney’s Office did — and approved it, Newell said.
. . .
The plan was permitted under ATF rules, had the legal backing of U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke in Phoenix, was approved by Newell’s ATF superiors and was funded by a regional task force of the Justice Department, ATF’s parent agency. Justice officials also signed off on wiretap applications, although the applications did not indicate a description of the tactics used, according to Democratic lawmakers who have seen them.
. . .
“The notion that there was a secret tactic is totally absurd,” Newell said.

Newell added that he and his agents were hamstrung by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. He said prosecutors told him that in most of their straw-purchaser cases, his agents’ hands were tied. They did not have probable cause to arrest the straw buyers because the men purchased the guns legally, and it was difficult to prove they were committing a crime by giving the gun to someone else.

Newell said he never told his agents to “let guns walk.” Instead, he said, he told them they had to have sufficient evidence to satisfy the prosecutors that they had probable cause to seize the guns.

This is in addition to an independent article that just appeared in CNN Fortune, The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal, written by investigative reporter Katherine Eban. From that article:

Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

Elsewhere Eban says:

“After six months of investigation, what became clear to me is that the things that Congress was holding up as centerpieces of proof that guns had been walked were, in fact, misconstrued, incorrect, resulted from other motives, other reasons, that there were alternate explanations and that really, this was a case of cherry picking, you know, small phrases, sentences, without any of the context really that you need in order to understand what actually happened in Phoenix Group Seven.”

Allow me to pose a question: Whose job is it to investigate the investigators? Who has oversight over any questionable activities on the part of the House Oversight Committee?

You know you’re in trouble when the conservative National Review turns on you:

From The National Review, JUNE 27, 2012:

Too Fast, Too Furious; Darrell Issa has dabbled in a conspiracy theory.

Long one jere folks. I am beyond mad right now so please bear with me.

Blatant racist who refused to uphold the laws of the land in the Black Panther fiasco. Refuses to uphold the immigration laws of the land at the behest of his master who’s hand he happily licks. Now his master invokes privilege to hide facts that by law should be given to an investigative committee of Congress!

The trampling of our laws and Constitution by these Marxist thugs are beyond anything one could imagine even in the days of the McCarthy hearings. the march to tyranny is real and is headed by some of the most despicable people to have ever held elected or appointed office. And this tirade includes the spineless Rinos as well!

Today with this contempt vote combined with the trampling of the Constitution by the Supreme Court, the outright lies and Anti-American Marxist hard left President and his lackeys mark a sad day in American History. There was another ruling by I believe the 9th Circuit which gives the EPA
unwarranted power and basic control over the economy with more regulations.

Our liberties are being stripped. Today, I see the Obama Truth Squad ordered GoDaddy to close down a site that spoke against Chairman Obama! This is real folks! The loss of Freedom of Speech, Gun Ownership and thought control (Political Correctness is in fact thought control)? All are right around the corner.

This administration along with so many elected officials as like the Attorney General are running over all of us! When is it going to stop? Have we as a people gotten so wrapped up in “what’s in it for me?” that we are willing to give up every basic right to these Marxist bastards?

I have never been as sickened as I am right now as to the shape our country is in! I for one am sick and tired of it and I will rot in hell before I stop criticizing this President or anyone else who feels they can take away everything I and so many others hold dear! The lying piece of excrement known as the Attorney General or for the that matter the joker in the White House and all the others are in fact a symptom of what is wrong with our entire country!

I weep for our country. Today we lost something our forefathers gave their life and blood for. Who in the hell do these people think they are to blemish their memory and in turn destroy the very fabric of this once great country? And who is going to have the balls in the electorate and elsewhere to stand up and fight this tyranny. Someone answer that for me because with the way so many seem to not give one damn about our country, our ideals or personal responsibility, with the cancer that is destroying this country from within I cannot see a light at the end of the tunnel! The greatest country in the world is being destroyed before our very eyes and no one gives a damn. Tell me why


Did Greg even remotely read the very article he linked to? The only issue the National review has with Issa is his argument is a bit muddled and not focused on certain questioned specifics… but then again this article is now old information and Holder is now viewed in contempt to Congress so it really doesn’t matter how bad Greg’s reading comprehension is…

Republican response During Contempt Votes Against Top Bush Staffers Who Refused to Testify Before Congress (Boehner throws a hissy-fit):

The vote was a witch hunt after Pelosi walked out! They couldn’t find her for a while. The walk out represented the typical liberal solution to serious issues. If you can not play by my rules, I am going home! They did it in Wisconsin and Indiana.


@Mr. Irons, #6:

… but then again this article is now old information and Holder is now viewed in contempt to Congress so it really doesn’t matter how bad Greg’s reading comprehension is…

What you don’t get–or won’t get–is that Darrell Issa has never had a shred of evidence supporting his crack-brain theory, and has gone out of his way to avoid questioning any witnesses whose testimony would contradict it. The truth about what went wrong with Fast and Furious isn’t waiting to be found in some filing cabinet in Washington DC, and Darrell Issa damn well knows it. That truth is down at the operational level and managerial levels where operational decisions are made–the place from which Issa quickly shifted all attention.

Issa is a jackass. He has used the power of a position of public trust to attempt to achieve blatantly political ends.

Rather clumsily, as it turns out. People who were actually in a position to know things–people central to the Fast and Furious operation itself–have been coming forward with inconvenient details. That doesn’t look so good, does it?

And then there’s the farce of yesterday’s contempt vote, with republican House majority members being openly threatened by the NRA–the place where Issa’s crack-brained conspiracy theory evidently originated.

Comprehend that.

@Greg: Greg, wrong again! Issa isn’t requesting documents to find out what went wrong, he is requesting documents that date from the point where Holder first lied to the committee. He is looking for the cover-up documents. Learn to read and comprehend what you read!

Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record
By Jonathan Strong
Roll Call Staff
June 29, 2012, 12:06 p.m.
The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.

The wiretap applications were signed by senior DOJ officials in the department’s criminal division, including Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco and another official who is now deceased.

The tactic, which was intended to allow agents to track criminal networks by finding the guns at crime scenes [???], was condemned after two guns that were part of the operation were found at U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder scene.

So they would track guns….via the crime scene…Well, well, well….Complicent still stands…

@Sua Sponte, #12:

And people are taking swings at my reading comprehension level?

Assuming that any of the above is true–and I never make such assumptions, considering some of the sources commonly cited around here–you’ve just demonstrated that Darrell Issa is willing to blow the cover off of ongoing law enforcement operations in order to further his politically motivated witch hunt, using the Speech or Debate clause as personal protection.

Have I got that right?

Issa reveals wiretap docs from DOJ mole


ongoing law enforcement operations

What was the law enforcement objective of Fast and Furious, Greg? What criminals was the program designed to capture?

Have I got that right?

Don’t think so.

@Wm T Sherman: It appears that the only on going law enforcement operations in which the justice department is involved is protecting a crook like Holder.


Greg, if there is nothing to find, then Issa will be made out to be a fool. I expect that with the high amount of push back from this administration, there is plenty to find! Maybe someone will actually go to jail in this administration for crimes they committed.

@Aye: It was section about the cover being blown of the doctor who helped finger OBL and the one that blew the cover of the undercover CIA operative that thwarted the plane bombing. Sorry. Different scandal.

@Greg: And people are taking swings at my reading comprehension level?…..Yea, imagine that…Could be due to the fact you haven’t got the first clue about operations, MIL or LE….Well Greg, what exactly was the intent of the LE op?…I’ve asked you on at least three occasions now and you still come up empty…Please enlighten us with your operational experience and planning to fill us in on what the big picture was supposed to be…..But, it doesn’t matter what you make up, the intent matters little when two U.S. persons were murdered….We know what the intent was…..and what do we have here…..Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and a member of Obama’s transition team focusing on immigration issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious….CNS…….Well, well…What a coinkydink….

Sua Sponte,
you sure have the right arguments, it make it easy to figure it all,
thank you.

@Randy, #17:

The Executive Branch is likely protecting 2 things: The independence of executive branch power, and law enforcement’s ability to conduct undercover operations without having the details publicly revealed.

Does anyone honestly believe that the enormous volume of U.S. guns crossing the border into Mexico is some sort of minor concern? Basically, we’re watching the rapid arming of a hostile, extremely violent organized presence that’s directly across our southern border. One that conducts its business throughout the entire United States. Could anyone in his right mind imagine for even a moment that there are no law enforcement operations currently underway that the DOJ might want to keep totally under wraps?

I consider the tactics Darrell Issa is using for blatantly political ends to be grossly irresponsible, and very likely dangerous to a lot of good people who are putting themselves at risk to protect the nation. That’s about as politely as I can phrase my criticism of the man.


There is no flood of US weapons crossing the border. Only about 12% of the weapons recovered at crime scenes in Mexico are of U.S. origin. The weapons available on the international black market are cheaper, do not require dealing with U.S. laws, and include items like rocket propelled grenades and full auto weapons that are not available here.

I repeat the questions you ignored: What was the law enforcement objective of Fast and Furious? What criminals was the program designed to capture?

@Greg: The executive branch is protecting the executive branch from criminal prosecution. Holder has been dirty for most of his political career. What we are seeing here is Chicago politics and the thuggery that accompanies it. Watch the whistle blowers start blowing now! No one wants to sink with the administration on this issue.

There is no flood of US weapons crossing the border. Only about 12% of the weapons recovered at crime scenes in Mexico are of U.S. origin.

Per who, the NRA?

From, which accepts neither Obama’s 90%, nor the FOX News 17%, which they dismiss as a clearly faulty interpretation of available statistics:

Given the lack of hard data from Mexico, we can’t calculate a precise figure for what portion of crime guns have been traced to the U.S. Based on the best evidence we can find so far, we conclude that the 90 percent claim made by the president and others in his administration lacks a basis in solid fact. But we also conclude that the number is at least double what Fox News has reported, based on its reporters’ mistaken interpretation of ATF testimony.

Whether the number is 90 percent, or 36 percent, or something else, there’s no dispute that thousands of guns are being illegalIy transported into Mexico by way of the United States each year.

Common sense and a fundamental understanding of the nature of criminal enterprises should tell us that. Guns are relatively inexpensive and easily obtained in the U.S. border states. There’s an enormous illegal market just across the border, and enormous quantities of readily available cash from drug sales in the hands of people eager to pay a huge mark up. What does the law of supply and demand suggest will happen in a situation like that?

@Greg: Greg, you poor dunce! is run by the Annenberg Foundation. Remember, Obama and his terrorist buddy ran that organization. You really fell for the Democrat’s spin this time again!

It must be great to be able to routinely turn off all logic and disregard each and every inconvenient fact that gets in the way of believing exactly what you want to believe. Sometimes, though, people who routinely do that begin to look like they’ve got more loose screws than a Studebaker.

Nice to @Greg: Nice to see you’re still shilling for individuals responsible for the deaths of two U.S. persons…I’ll go ahead and reference above which still hasn’t been answered…..

ATF: Mexico seized 68,000 guns made in or imported to United States since 2006

Of course, you’re probably not going to believe the ATF either.

What do you suppose the seizure rate in Mexico is? My guess is that only a tiny fraction of the total guns that Mexican drug gangs get their hands on are eventually confiscated by the Mexican police.

@Sua Sponte, #28:

That bogus line of argument is wearing pretty damn thin, also. What poses the greatest threat to U.S. law enforcement? The guns that the ATF lost control of, or the vastly greater number now in Mexico that the ATF program has had absolutely nothing to do with?

@Greg: I was fairly certain you would shirk away from answering, point made and noted..


I repeat the questions you ignored: What was the law enforcement objective of Fast and Furious? What criminals was the program designed to capture?

@Wm T Sherman: Please be gentle with poor Greg. He is in way over his head. His golden idol is starting to resemble a cheap brass plated cupie doll! He has run out of excuses for Obama and his shill, Holder.

Regarding the 12% figure – look at the letter from DHS in this 2009 GAO report on arms trafficking from the US to Mexico – Appendix III, page 69. Even the DHS thinks the methodology that gave a figure 0f 87 % is bogus:

The 12% figure:

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.

Wm T Sherman
it might be a possibility the non retrieved guns where given to ALQUADA GROUPS VIA THE CARTELS MEXICO,
oh my, if someone has done that for that real purpose, they sure don’t want to tell, or maybe they destroyed the papers already, but what if ISSA know it already, and ask for those exacts papers they don’t want to give, because they destroyed it, ?


ATF: Mexico seized 68,000 guns made in or imported to United States since 2006

Of course, you’re probably not going to believe the ATF either.

68,000 in six years. 11,000 a year on average. How many total guns were seized in the same period of time, and what percentage of those were traced to the United States? Given that the violence in Mexico has been escalating, I would bet money that the number of guns recovered annually has increased considerably over the same period.

Given all the deception that has occurred so far, you will find that by and large, no, we don’t trust the ATF, or the DOJ. Both these agencies have lied to Congress. They will have no qualms about lying to us.

@Sua Sponte, #31:

What hasn’t had any response is the question I asked in #25 regarding supply, demand, and common sense. I presume that last item is either a commodity in very short supply–unlike U.S. firearms crossing the border–or you simply don’t like the obvious conclusion that common sense leads to.

Re: Mexican gun seizures in the years following 2008. As I suspected, the number of guns seized annually increased: more than doubled after 2008.

According to SEDENA, in 2009 and 2010, 129,200 guns were seized in Mexico. According to ATF, in 2009 and 2010, 20,504 guns were traced “to the US”. That works out to a percentage of 15.87%.

BUT, we have to factor out, roughly, 1,500 guns that were trafficked by the US Government­. That leaves us with 19,000 guns traced (potential­ly) to “lax US gun laws”, or a percentage of 14.7%.

BUT, we still do not know (Because Mexico is not saying) how many of those 19,000 US guns were originally legally sold to the Mexican government or military.

Bottom line? AT MOST 14.7% of crime guns (and 0.0% of crime grenades, RPGs and heavy machine guns) can be traced to civilian sales in the United States.

From comments to this article:


I’d love for you to explain the basis for Obie’s eleventh hour claim of Executive Privilege.

EP can only be claimed under a very, very narrow set of circumstances and, based on what these people have told us, none of those circumstances can be applied to Fast and Furious and the ensuing Congressional investigation.

So what, precisely, is the basis of that claim?

And how did the very limited set of documents offered just an hour or so earlier suddenly become part of the EP claim?

Sure would love to hear an explanation for how all of that works.

I’ll pop some popcorn and eagerly await your response.

White House national security leaks. Operation Fast and Furious. Out of control debt. Gop fundraising approaching $2 billion before the election. It doesn’t get any better than this.
Mark your calenders…November 6th 2012…NOT election day…Correction day.

Hank Rockwell Jr
you had it figured out early on, congrat to you. for your discerning gift,
yes CORRECTION DAY and more to correct as it get closer. bye


So what, precisely, is the basis of that claim?

If it became public precisely what information is being protected, there would no longer be anything to protect.


If it became public precisely what information is being protected, there would no longer be anything to protect.

The trouble for you is that Obie has claimed from the beginning that he didn’t know about Fast and Furious. Now, as the heat begins to rise, he’s suddenly claiming EP.

Was he lying to us when he claimed he found out about the operation from media reports?

Or, is he lying now by attempting to exert EP where that privilege doesn’t apply.

He cannot be telling the truth in both places Greg. So, tell us, in which place is your TelePromTer Jesus misleading us?

Here’s some additional information for you to refer to:

Yesterday, Representative Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight Committee, sent a letter to President Obama criticizing the decision of the White House to assert executive privilege in the Fast and Furious case.

“This is one of the most scathing letters. It’s cut and dry. Very clear. Very professional. Just clear,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “And if it was any other President other than this one, this would be the lead story on every broadcast all over America and possibly the world.”

In the letter, Rep. Issa details comments made by the President that claim he had no knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious. If that is actually the case, executive order would not be applicable to this case:

For the past sixteen months, Senator Grassley and I have been investigating Operation Fast and Furious. In response to a question about the operation during an interview with Univision on March 22, 2011, you stated that, “Well first of all, I did not authorize it. Eric Holder, the Attorney General, did not authorize it.” You also stated that you were “absolutely not” informed about Operation Fast and Furious. Later in the interview, you said that “there may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made and if that’s the case then we’ll find out and we’ll hold somebody accountable.

From the earlier stages of the investigation, the White House has maintained that no White House personnel knew anything about Operation Fast and Furious. Your assertion of executive privilege, however, renews questions about White House involvement.

“This whole thing is so well written, and so very clear,” Glenn said. After reading the letter Glenn said that you can come to one of two conclusions: (1) the President and his senior advisors were involved, and this investigation is correct, or (2) the President wasn’t involved directly, but is knowingly trying to cover something up and change the Constitution in the process.

“Which is it,” Glenn asked.

On the heels of this letter there is also a new poll from The Hill that finds likely voters disapprove of the President’s handling of the Fast and Furious by a near two to one margin. Included in that number are 28 percent of self-identified Democrats who disapprove and 30 percent of self-identified liberals. Those numbers do not bode well for Obama.

“Every single day there’s been a historic important moment,” Glenn said. “It’s amazing how history is changing right in front of our eyes, and media is nowhere to be found.”

Read the entire letter below:

Rep. Issa Letter to Obama Re: Executive Privilege

I remember reading from a left side,
that OBAMA want to know everything is going on, in the white house, and insist on it or else.
I heard it a long time ago, that’s why I think he is lying