Canada To Sell Their Oil To China If XL Pipeline Isn’t Approved Soon

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Obama “the job destroyer” has come even closer to not only losing all the jobs that would come with the XL Pipeline but also losing all that oil:

Canada is now looking to Asian countries to market its abundance of oil, natural gas and minerals as plans to build the proposed Keystone XL pipeline have stalled with the U.S. administration.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper will travel to China next month to discuss selling Canada’s bounty to the rapidly growing nation.

The preferred initial plan was to build the $7 billion Keystone pipeline to deliver Alberta’s oilsands crude to refineries in Texas on the Gulf of Mexico.

Harper reasoned that the U.S. government would prefer to deal with a friendly neighbor to help meet its energy needs while creating thousands of jobs.

With widespread opposition by U.S. environmentalists, the Obama administration has delayed its decision on whether to approve the project proposed by energy giant TransCanada Pipelines.

The new plan would market to China and Asian countries through the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline that would transport Alberta’s oil and natural gas to British Columbia for shipment by tankers.

Just a few days ago Obama said he would reward businesses that bring jobs into the U.S. but he won’t allow this pipeline and all the jobs to happen. As The impending strike in Nigeria, which will cause oil prices to skyrocket, shows us….we need to be getting our own oil, and making deals with friends nearby for their oil.

But not this President:

A top oil industry official delivered a clear warning to President Obama Wednesday: approve the Keystone XL pipeline or face “huge political consequences.”

…“I think it would be a huge mistake on the part of the president of the United States to deny the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline,” Gerard said during the powerful oil industry trade association’s annual “State of American Energy” event Wednesday.

“Clearly, the Keystone XL pipeline is in the national interest. A determination to decide anything less than that I believe will have huge political consequences.

I’m not holding out hope Obama will be smart for once, he hasn’t showed any inclination to be smart on any decision he has made.

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I’m hoping that this is a pressure tactic and that the Canadians won’t commit until after the outcome of the 2012 election is known.

Of course, if Obama gets a 2nd term, I could see them in fact going ahead with this. Their very large oil production investment was based on assumptions about oil transport plans. The bizarre after-the-fact cancelling of approval of a routine pipeline extension by the radical-idealogue-in-chief was not part of the plan. If they can’t get it to us, but can get it someone else, what are they supposed to do?

Wm T Sherman
hi,
you know they said to be loosing billions of dollars with that delay,
and yes the CANADIAN mentality always was for AMERICANS FIRST,
THAT’S WHO THEY ARE, AND HAVE SHOWN TO HAVE ONE WORD IN BUSYNESS ALSO,
OBAMA IS INSULTING THE BEST ALLY OF AMERICA. WITH HIS ATTITUDE, AND THAT WHO HE IS.
BYE

Not only is Obama a ditherer, he is also quite willing to do anything to win.
Think of how he has depressed the job market by his added regulations, oil drilling freezes, uncertainty in business tax futures.
And this dithering on the Keystone pipeline.
BUT, Obama wants the economy to appear to be improving by the time the election hits.
It would not surprise me at all if he makes a decision to allow Keystone.
It would also not surprise me if he lifts some regulatory paralysis off businesses.
It would not surprise me if he allows oil drilling in the Gulf.
It would not surprise me if he gives businesses more targeted tax breaks.

All of these things would be like Cash 4 Clunkers.
They would cause an immediate improvement in our economy.
BUT he could block each of them later, after his re-election.
And, just like Cash 4 Clunkers, the blip in the economy would prove to be temporary and meaningless.

Two other things.

1. For domestic political reasons, no Canadian PM could afford to take an American snub like this lying down. There was an understanding and it has been unilaterally dissolved. He has to do something. There is a sensitivity about their relationship with the southern colossus, a concern about respect and sovereignty.

2. Obama’s good buddy Warren Buffett recently purchased a railroad that could be used to move some of the oil, in place of the pipeline: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/warren_buffett_the_keystone_pipeline_and_crony_capitalism.htm
This fits right in with all the other crony capitalism we’ve seen so far.

Wherever the oil ends up going, there is lasting damage to our government’s credibility. All in a day’s work for the SCOAMF.

Edit:

A Canadian guy over at Ace showed me this link:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/cn-cp-push-for-a-pipeline-on-rails/article1898062/singlepage/

Article is from a year ago; the Canadians were talking in general about moving more crude by rail. But it looks to me like my intital impression, that rail is not going to move 700,000 barrels a day south anytime soon, is correct. But moving say, 100,000/day south by rail while the rest goes to China by Canadian pipeline, rail and ship could bring a great deal of income to Buffett’s rail company.

Ah, Cash for Clunkers. To stimulate the domestic auto industry and diminsh CO2 emissions. But people used the money to buy foreign cars and SUVs instead of American and tiny efficient ones. And you know what happens when you grind up a bunch of perfectly good used cars? There’s a sudden shortage of used cars and used car parts. And you know who that hurts? The people with the least amount of money.

It was at least as well thought out and honest as this recent slapping of the Canadians for no good reason.

Thanx, SCOAMF! That Harvard degree is really paying off!

Obama adds Trillions of dollars to current and future government overhead, and ever-escalating debt, . . . silence from the media, BUT he announces questionable savings of 2 or 3 measly billions through the merging of a few bureaucrats, and the MSM slobbers all over itself to point to his cost cutting capabilities. Some of these wing-nuts even made parallels to Romney and Bain Capital.

Now this political hack panders to absurd demands of fringe loons, and further distances America from reaching independence from Mid East oil. The Saudis and Kuwaitis must be wetting themselves with their good fortune of having the incompetent and uninterested Mr. “Present” in the White House.

Canada’s economy is totally dependent on its natural resources. Canada never really learned the concept of ‘value added’. China has gained a foothold (read: infiltrated) into the top levels of Canada’s Federal government as well as into its Provincial governments. Immigration from China is out of control, and the numbers are much higher than what is published officially. China is ‘buying’ Canada, from Victoria to Halifax everything is for sale, and Canada presents a safer depository for Chinese cash than does Beijing, the prices of everything from homes to nickel mines is high. China has the cash and is paying.

China’s hundreds of billions came principally from American taxpayers, who were convinced to borrow because apparently ‘debt is good’ for you and for the economy.

Now instead of getting some help with positive policies from their President, Americans are being burdened by more debt, and more self-serving decisions like cancelling the Pipe Line that would have transported oil from Alberta to be refined by American oil refineries.

How is it possible that this President still has a remote chance of getting re-elected? This surely must be a twilight zone moment in American history.

It should be noted that about the only thing that may be ‘saving’ the day for the pipeline to the U.S., is that there are First Nations leaders who haven’t signed onto the deals that would bring the oil Westward to the Pacific Coast.

James Raider
hi,
I was reading that most of AMERICANS want the project to come,
it’s just him that stopping it, and someone here mention that BUFFET BOUGHT A TRAIN to load the oil
down,
on the eastern paper was mentioned they want the route to be open to bring the oil to come EAST ALSO
BYE

Wm T Sherman
do you think the thousands of jobs that where suppose to come from the pipeline,
would be coming with the route changed with train?
I don’t see it
bye

James Raider
hi,
what do you think of the DESTROYERS BEING BUILT SOON BY IRVING
AND OTHER SHIPS FOR GUARDING IN SURROUNDED NORTH WATERWAY

@ilovebeeswarzone: #10,

If Obama prevails, Canada should negotiate with the Chinese to build a refinery on the Western coast, rather than ship crude.. The Saudis have done just that with China.

As for Harper committing $25B to building frigates, etc., . . . . it’s about time Canada began developing the ability to defend itself. Harper knows that Putin is going to flex his muscles in the Arctic, placing unreasonable claims on oil fields. We can expect some confrontations over ownership sometime this decade if Putin remains in power.

James Raider
yes, good idea, how DOES the oil get to CHINA FROM THE WESTERN REFINERY, ?
THEY would get their own boat to transport it?
YES THEY WHERE 4 MILLIONS 10 YEARS AGO, I don’t know about now
and about the frigates, it will bring a lot of jobs EAST, everyone is happy, it is needed
those IRVINGS ARE THE BEST FOR THE MARITIMES,
THEY ALWAYS BEEN GOOD RICH FOR THEIR WORKERS AND THEY ARE THE PIONNERS
WHO HAVE CREATED A LOT OF JOBS AND THEY ARE LOVED IN THE MARITIMES BY THE PEOPLE.
who remember their father and grandfather,
bye

Good article in National Review on-line today about the direct correlation of oil price increases and unemployment
Worth reading. Do a search forth article.

Remember, the Canadians are losing huge amounts of money each day Obama sits on this decision.

I would hope that they can wait out the election.

Actually I hope Canada doesn’t wait around on this. While I’m on a fixed income and an increase in gas prices is going to burn my behind, it seems that too many in the “establishment” and those who voted for them won’t learn unless they get burned. The US may not be able to wait till Feb. or March 2013 to get things going. Things are going to have to get harsh enough for Obama’s enablers that they will bring him to heel to keep themselves safe.

My understanding was that the oil transferred to the Gulf Coast was destined for China any way.

@Liberal1 (objectivity): Your understanding. No sh*t.

You notice the libs don’t want much to do with this one, as it’s indefensible. They’ve googled the talking points and found them useless.

The oil is being produced, will be wholesaled to refiners, and will be retailed to consumers. If China does the refining, the process will be much dirtier than if the USA does it.

It’s a lose-lose for the entire world, jobs-wise and air quality-wise. Obama is blatantly pandering to environuts who would rather be obtuse than admit reality.
In other words, business as usual for them.

@Liberal1 (objectivity): You have understanding?

@Liberal1 (objectivity): It is a good thing that not everyone reads the documents that provide your understanding!

90% of Canadian trade is with the USA. They are the largest supplier of foreign energy to the USA. Canada needs to diversify their audiences. I have friends inside the political oil industry who say the Canada is putting big $$$ into opposing Keystone, so that they can sell to China.

Who would you sell to… the guy in debt, ot the guy holding the note on the debt.

Canada has to diversify. It’s not Obama.

@Nan G: #3

It would not surprise me at all if he makes a decision to allow Keystone.
It would also not surprise me if he lifts some regulatory paralysis off businesses.
It would not surprise me if he allows oil drilling in the Gulf.
It would not surprise me if he gives businesses more targeted tax breaks.

Why would he give up his major accomplishments? He has worked so hard to achieve the reverse of all of the above!

I have two points to ponder:

(1) We don’t want to support our enemies. Which countries are Obama’s enemies? The free countries like Canada and the USA. He has proven this many times. The XL pipeline will help two of Obama’s enemies.

(2) If we don’t get the XL pipeline, then oil prices will continue to rise and we will be supporting Arab countries. If oil prices rise, then Obama’s alternative energy companies will look like better choices. This would be a win win for Obama. The Arab countries get their oil money to keep funding the destruction of the USA and the alternative energy companies will get a good return on their donation investments.

Snerd Gronk
hi,
I also heard that last year the CHINESE bought in to oil busyness or other , like investing in share or other relating to,
THEY MIGHT BE THE ONE PRESSURING FOR CHINA ALSO,
they are in top position also in the WEST PROVINCES, AND, MANY OF THEM AS CITIZENS
BYE

I contacted both my U.S. Senators today and urged them to support S.1932, the North American Energy Security Act which reads (in part)

…not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall grant a permit under Executive Order 13337 (3 U.S.C. 301 note; relating to issuance of permits with respect to certain energy-related facilities and land transportation crossings on the international boundaries of the United States) for the Keystone XL pipeline project application filed on September 19, 2008 (including amendments).

The Obama administration rejected a bid to expand the controversial Keystone oil sands pipeline Wednesday.

Keystone’s opponents hailed Wednesday’s decision as a victory.

“President Obama put the health and safety of the American people and our air, lands and water — our national interest — above the interests of the oil industry,” Frances Beinecke, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council, said in a statement.

Why deny Keystone now? The reason a decision is being made today is that under the payroll tax deal reached last month, House Republicans gave President Obama 60 days to either approve or deny the pipeline.
In November the administration delayed a decision on the pipeline until 2013 .

CNN

@ilovebeeswarzone: #23,

MsBees, quite right about the Chinese. They have fully abused the gaping holes in Canada’s out-of-control and corrupted immigration system, which has given rise to the Canadian Immigration Industry. Even the head of CSIS has said that the Chinese have infiltrated both Federal and Provincial governments at the highest levels.

Canadian apathy to the one element (out of control immigration) that is changing, even destroying the country, is incomprehensible. Abuse of the “extended family” clause of the Canadian Immigration Policy, enables ONE person to bring in a whole village. The population explosions of Vancouver and Toronto, have been a direct result of the Chinese purchases of One condo & their immigration papers – from those back Hong Kong and Beijing who control the Canadian Immigration game. Other countries have learned to abuse the system as well, . . . . other Asian countries, Iran, and former Eastern Block countries, but no one has it under hand as well China. Ask Li Qa Shing. With the billions he has made in Canada through the past 25 years, he now buys up and finances natural resource companies, besides financing every building going up from Victoria to Halifax. Here’s one that comes to mind in the oil sands game: Chinese take helm of MacKay River oil sands project

The burden this has placed on the free breadbasket of its welfare system and Canada Care, are breaking the country. The governments know little else but to raise taxes, which they have done with vigour through the past decade at all levels, and still, the health care system is broken, and getting worse as most of the people moving into Canada are older dependents. In too many families, the wage stays offshore so as not to have to pay taxes in Canada.

The further influx from other Asian countries, Iran, and former Eastern Block countries

Canadians believe the falsified numbers their own governments present to them regarding immigration levels. Canadians have lost the game. They have lost control of their country, and the loons of the left have destroyed a once great country. It’s a lesson which America should heed.

James Raider
hi,
I’m pretty sure the GOVERNMENT IN POWER, MAKE A LOT OF MONEYS UNDER THE TABLE WITH IMMIGRATION AND SANCTUARY WHO BRING SO MANY REFUGES , THERE WAS A SHOW
ON CBC CALLED W5, they had found out an address which had 20 person different on the address from LIBANEES WHO HAD NOT YET ARRIVE IN CANADA, THEY WHERE SPONSOR BY AN AGENT TELLING THEM THEY JUST HAVE TO PAY AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE ADDRESS FOR COLLECTING WELFARE, HE WAS BUYING HOUSES FOR THAT MARKET,
IMAGINE THOSE WHO’S JOB IS TO CHECK ON IMMIGRATION, HOW LONG DID IT GO BEFORE A JOURNALIST COME OUT WITH A PROOF OF UNDERCOVER SEARCH FROM THEM,FINDING THE SCAM,
WE DON’T THINK OF THAT HAPPENING, until some day you are face with so many foreigners
around you, and you think geezz where did they come from, they are now at my door,
and if you mention it, to a group at some point in time, there is one to say, we might offend them,
we should not say nothing, can you believe , the now we are living in, both AMERICAS?
some QUEBECERS, ARE GETTING TIRED AND START TO TALK LOUDER NOW, IN BIG CITIES,
LIKE MONTREAL AND QUEBEC AS YOU MUST HAVE HEARD, and you hear the immigration officers in the MARITIME LAST WEEK SAYING THEY WOULD TAKE THE QUEBEC OVERFLOW OF IMMIGRANTS
BECAUSE THEY NEED THEM SO MUCH, THEY ARE READY TO TAKE ANYONE BLINDFOLDED,
BYE

@Nan G: #25,

Frances Beinecke is a career wing nut activist who is one of those people who don’t know what they don’t know.

Her boss Obama enjoys the luxury of AirForce One. Does he give a crap how much fuel it requires to shuffle him, his teleprompter and his entourage, around the country because it’s more fun than doing the work in the Oval Office he was hired to do?

Admitedly, pipeline companies such as Enbridge and TransCanada, as well as the bitumen extractors, have failed miserably in the PR battle that has been waged over the past 5 years. The dominant image of an oil sands project which the MSM presents us is one of environmental devastation. The reality is much different from that. There is much done to bring back the lush landscapes and forests, once the bitumen has been extracted, but we never get any indication of that effort and its results, from the media.

For strictly political reasons, Obama is using a bogus excuse to delay the pipeline until at least 2013 – Is the diluted bitumen from the oil sands more corrosive than conventional oil? The billions that will be spent by the companies building the pipeline, will be spent by experts who understand minimizing risk. They’ve already analyzed the oil’s impact on the pipeline. They hardly need Obama’s bureaucrats to re-assess what has been known for years. Pipelines aren’t new, there are an estimated 170,000 miles of petroleum pipelines crisscrossing the country, but apparently Obama wasn’t aware they’d been around for a while. The petroleum from the sands is the same as other heavy crude, but re-election takes precedence, over jobs, and over independence from Mid East oil.

James Raider,
remember a few years ago, when the INDIAN TRIBE FROM THE WEST, I say BRITISH COLUMBIA PROVINCE,
THEY decided to take back their lands, and that was where the CHINEESE HAD BUILT MANY CONDOS FOR THEIR OWN, THEY WHERE FREAKING UP, IT went in the paper for a while, and disappear from public news after a month,
that is what a GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO AT ONE TIME, EVEN AT OKA the INDIANS MOHAWK,
DID THE SAME STUNT, TELLING ALL THE TOWN TO GET OUT THEY OWN THE LAND AND WANT IT BACK.
another one in the MARITIME HAPPEN WITH MUSLIMS wanted to build a village they said, and one INDIAN CHIEF SAID, YOU BUILT IT AND i WILL DEMOLISH IT THE NEXT DAY IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE TOWN WHO WHERE LOCAL BUT DID NOT WANT THEM. THEY WHERE CHEERING THE CHIEF,
AND THE MUSLIMS TOOK OF

@James Raider:

You’re a nut and you should try visiting a country before you comment on it. Look at its economic situation and the situation of its people, contrast that with America.

Canada is far from broke, its in the best financial situation of any G8 country, and did incredibly well considering it does 80% of its trading with the us

Jon
there is no nut here except you calling someone a nut,
James Raider is far from it,
he was talking of population over growth of one specific origin not counting other here, so the specific one was abusing his guess statue, by having it’s government back up too buy any thing of values they can which is becoming visible and threatening to the real born CANADIANS’
YOU ARE right by saying CANADA IS WELL MARK FOR CREDIT STANDING WHICH IS TOP 1,
ALONG ONLY 11 COUNTRIES, AND AS i MENTION ON ANOTHER POST IS THAT FOREIGNER ARE RUSHING TO BUY THE CANADIAN BOND, JUST READ THAT YESTERDAY, WHICH THEY ARE KNOWN
TO BE HIGHLY RELIABLE ON THE WORLD MARKET ALSO
BYE

“This is not the end of the fight. Republicans in Congress will continue to push this because it’s good for our country and it’s good for our economy and it’s good for the American people,” What he really means by that is that it will be good for big oil whose dick the republicans suck.

But wouldn’t you know. Almost every racist right losers are attacking him for putting health over jobs! I want you to read the despicable, racist comments on the rightscoop, I’ve been banned from that website because I’m not a racist like most of those commentators are!

QUESTIONMAN
YA THE HEALTH YOU SAY? THAT’S WHAT HE SAID , WOW HOW POOR DO YOU BELIEVE, AND I REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE IT UPSIDE DOWN,
THE RACIST COME FROM YOUR LEFT, HEY MAN WHATS WITH YOU.
NO JOBS NO HEALTH, THE REPUBLICAN ARE THINKING OF HAVING JOBS FOR AMERICANS, AND OIL IS NEEDED TO MAKE JOBS
THEY ARE NOT SUCKING THE DICK OF BIG OIL COMPANY THAT’S WHAT THE LEFT TELL YOU AND YOUR THE ONE WHO’S SUCKING THEIR WORDS, GET A LIFE AND LEARN.

@Jon: #30,

Having immediate family members on both sides of the 49th parallel, I’m fortunate to be able to spend much time in both of these spectacular countries. Having also been lucky enough to have had businesses in both countries, has provided me a reasonable perspective into both societies.

I’d be happy to debate with you, however, as MsBees points out, you’d have to read comments before replying to them.

I doubt you have much in hand to refute my claims on immigration, and that is why you ignored my principal points.

Canada is very lucky as it lives off the sale of ‘energy’ to America. That’s principally why whatever occurs in the U.S. almost always impacts Canada. Canada does very little ‘value added’ and when a rare Canadian based company (not in the financial sector) begins to smell serious success, it seems unable to remain focussed. For example, as soon as Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis became billionaires, they could not wait to chase ownership of hockey teams and other idiotic pursuits while Steve Jobs and Apple ate their lunch. The result . . . they destroyed over 90% of shareholder value and are following in Northern Telecom’s footsteps. Besides energy, and marijuana, immigration is a major industry. The banks don’t want it to slow down. They are also afraid to tell Canadians the truth about the state of government finances, though Harper is an accountant by training and isn’t ignorant about the state of affairs. He’ll hopefully be able to manage his way through the expectations of a country, majority of which is socialist.

Are you aware that Canadians personally OWE more than Americans? The average Canadian will never be able to repay that personal debt.

If I were you folks I don’t think I’d do the chicken little thing too soon…
Obama didn’t say “not never” he said “not now”… buying some more time for the enviro studies…
But you folks are gettin your knickers in a twist over Canada THINKING about selling THEIR oil to China… Hey thats the free interprise system at work. It is their oil.
If we do build the pipline the refined product is slated to be sold to South American & other markets, so little to no oil gets made into gas for US markets anyway

x-pipeliner
hi,
the one that got insulting about it is a bad mouth sicko, she’s just passing by insulting everyone,
but she or he doesn’t belong to this smart group of CONSERVATIVES,
and I didn’t hear any one of us saying anything about the CHINA, EXCEPT THAT WE WANT CANADA to wait like you mentioned, before they make a deal with CHINA,
I personally would like to see the USA on the CANADA DEAL, because we have been friend for these
centuries in trading, and fighting war and getting injured, and dying also, and also exchanging traffic between each other, and many other fine exchanges which made us very close, except for having our own distinct government affairs which we respect the difference, even as we are in contradiction at times, but we had always had busyness exchanges base on trust between the two COUNTRIES IN THE PASS
busyness wise, so this KEYSTONE PIPELINE IS WANTED BY THE NUMBER OF STATES INTERESTED IN IT, and we know it will bring many thousands of interstates jobs which are very welcome by AMERICANS,, JUST DELAYED OR WHATEVER BY THIS PRESIDENT FOR HIS PERSONAL AGENDA.
BYE

SKOOKUM
HI,
we haven’t read your POST in a while, you are very
busy like you mentioned before,
nice to know you’re okay, hope you’re books are coming soon.
bye

JUAN S GETTING TO BE A PAIN IN THE SSSSS
AT FOX, HE PROTECT OBAMA but he challenge too much, bad for FOX,
HE GET ON MANY NERVES, he is as thin skin as OBAMA
this confrontation was about GOVERNOR BREWER’S MEETING WITH OBAMA NOT PLEASANT FOR HER.
JUAN was taking side on OBAMA AGAINST HER

@ilovebeeswarzone:
Really? many thousands of jobs? That’s one heck of a claim, got any information to back it up?
Even as big a job, as this line is sure to be, it most likely wont take but about 18 months (may be less) from kick off to final tie ins . It will be devided into MANY, MANY, MANY “spreads”…
I think the POTUS is not saying no not ever but rather lets look at the enviro impact… Not a bad idea in my estamation

x-pipeline
really, I believe what the KEYSTONE PEOPLE said, they are credible and stand with their words and expect the same courtesy from busyness partners
bye

Yeah and loads of ppl believed and believed in BP too and look what happened with the deep water horizon. You’re trying to convince someone that spent his life on cross country pipeline construction and knows better… ‘;O)

x-pipeline
yes your name says it,
tell me what you know, you look like you don”t believe in the positive input of having the KEYSTONE COMING who have followed the biggest research
on this project to bring all improvements required by a the most rigorous rules ever demanded,
now they are waiting for what was okayed before and accepted, and delayed

it would take a whole life time to tell you what I know and then you still wouldn’t know anything.
not at all, the line will give temporary jobs to several thousand pipe welders , pipe fitters, welders helpers, heavy equipment operators and laborers ect. Not to mention the engineers needed to design the thing Benefit several unions, and manufacturers of all sorts, Lincoln Electric alone will sell many, many hundreds of tons of welding rods or wire, Caterpillar will sell hundreds of side booms and dozers . There will be lots of money made on this job…
But does that mean that the environment should not be protected? No, it’s better to take a closer look at the route and its impact on the environment now and be safe rather than be sorry later. If there should be a rupture and oil leaked into a major aquifer it could ruin drinking water supplies for millions of people for hundreds if not thousands of years.
And even with all of that the dirty oil from canadian sand oil won’t ever make a gallon of US gasoline

x-pipeline
yes you’re right and the route has been change at NEBRASKA WHERE the AQUIFER IS,
and as I mentioned they have done all the demands and environment demands, and claimed to be safe ,
and answered all the worried and question, to meet the requirements, this was all approve, now it just the fact that they are being put on hold by OBAMA for his wish to agree with the activist giving the pressure, but the STATES want this project, so it’s suspended costing of course billion while it’s idle to the keystone company, while they wait for the permit
bye

@ilovebeeswarzone:

In a statement Wednesday afternoon, Obama said that he received a recommendation from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton earlier that day recommending that the application be denied.

“This announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people,” Obama said. “I’m disappointed that Republicans in Congress forced this decision, but it does not change my administration’s commitment to American-made energy that creates jobs and reduces our dependence on oil.”
As part of a deal hatched with the House GOP for a short-term extension to the payroll tax cut last month, Obama faced a Feb. 21 deadline to either issue a permit to allow the 1,700-mile Canada-to-Texas pipeline to be built or explain why it is not in the national interest….
~~~ Woops… Looks like The weeper of the house stuck his foot in it again~~~

TransCanada President Russ Girling announced that the company was disappointed by the decision but would reapply for a permit, somewhat dampening the GOP argument that Canada would seek an alternative route if the White House failed to approve the project.

“We will re-apply for a Presidential Permit and expect a new application would be processed in an expedited manner to allow for an in-service date of late 2014,” Girling said in a statement.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/01/reports-obama-to-reject-fast-tracking-keystone-xl-pipeline/1
And not a word about selling there oil to China…
Looks like maybe someone needs to get the head out of that FOX anal cavity ‘;O)
edited to add:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “has said exactly what they’re going to do,” said Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). “They’re not going to approve it in this tight time frame. So they actually killed the pipeline. Congratulations, Republicans.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said the Keystone provision was “sort of a Pyrrhic victory” for Republicans that didn’t really require much give from Democrats. Asked if there was a concession, he replied, “It’s a meaningless one

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70620.html#ixzz1kjDPW4hj
in other words the repubes shot themselves in the foot, again so if you whis to place blame put in Boenhers pocket

@x-pipeliner: You may know about pipeline construction, but you are lacking knowledge on the environmental effects on the environment. You and others like you with little knowledge made it seem like the Alaska pipeline would devastate the environment and the wildlife. Actually, the Caribou herds have increased because the pipeline increased the temperature as much as 20 degrees. They calve there.

The Ogallala Aquifer is an important unconfined aquifer to 6 states. Recharge is from the Rocky Mountains. The difficulty is that the water is being drawn out at a much faster rate than can be recharged. The KeystoneXL pipeline will carry crude oil. Crude oil does not percolate through soil hardly at all and would present little or no effect to the aquifer. The pesticides and fertilizers that do enter the aquifer now do so as a result of being flushed through the soil by the pivot systems. I am sure no one is going to irrigate over the pipeline where there is an oils leak!

@Randy:
Well Randy actually I am very familiar with the Alaskan pipeline (having worked on its construction). And Aperrantly you are either ignoring the many ruptures that AL Alaska has had along the VSM’s, along with the environmental impact that those ruptures have caused in those artifical calveing areas or you’re ignorant of the facts…

And yes crude oil will permeate into the aquifers.
And randy you can’t be sure of anything given the inherent stupidity of people

@x-pipeliner: Yes it ruptured and what was the irreversable impacts? None!

x-pipeliner
I guess you believe anything coming from any members of GOVERNMENT,
without perceiving the intent behind their words,
you know RANDY is an expert in what he bring here,
and we don’t have to search for the lies hidden under the words.
bye

@Randy:
“what are the irreversable impacts? none?” … Maybe, Maybe not, Hundres of Thousands of gallons of crude oil spread out over the now contaminated perma frost is irreversable… and just an aside, Randy you don’t know what other problems will or could show up years from now… No one does, just as it is unknown what the effect of the BP oil spill in the gulf… but I’ll bet that you don’t bath in the stuff…

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