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Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) is reportedly “dug in,” refusing to resign despite the growing list of Democrats calling for his ouster. Perhaps Democratic leadership (the minority leader included) should have the nerve to kick him off his committees and publicly call for him to scram.

Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich’s senior staff and his Iowa crew have quit. En masse. Whether it was the general flakiness, the attack on Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) or the bizarre decision to go on a cruise just when the campaign was getting underway, his staff simply couldn’t take it.

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Oscar needs to quit. So also, Newt. We need to draft Allen West.

Sokay Newt, I couldn’t take it either. You let me down last time, you are not one of us. Don’t let the door catch you in the butt.

Weiner? who cares? Beck will just have to find another clown.

After the “Contract for America” failure, his past adulteries, current flakiness and putting down Republicans who are trying to at least address our problems. The only one who doesn’t understand the reality that Newt should give up is Newt.

Wiener will last longer. Simply because they will have to drag Wiener out screaming and kicking. He’s that arrogant.

Who does the media shill for?
Newt or Weiner?
It turns out that one of those 6 women who were texting with Weiner had approached Rachel Maddow to see if she wanted to do a story about Weiner.
Nobody ever got back to her.
MSNBC and Maddow are not returning calls about this.

Lisa Weiss, a Las Vegas blackjack dealer, says she first approached MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow to see if she would do the story about Anthony Weiner.

“Anthony was a regular guest on Rachel’s show and I love her, so much, and her views, so I reached out to her,” the blackjack dealer told RadarOnline.com.

“But I never heard back.”

So….who do you think will be forced out first?
Smart money is on Newt.

For Weiner to quit he’d have to have ”shame.”
But Weiner does not have shame, he only had tearful anger about getting caught.

While Newt has some good ideas, they are not unique to him. He has lost his edge. The only way I could vote for him is as a vote against a liberal opponent. I held my nose and voted for McCain because I knew him to be only slightly better than Obama.

Newt is a fantastic historian and missed his calling as a teacher, but while I at one time was a supporter, his RINO stances were just too much for me to take – and this was before his attack on Paul Ryan and his call for an individual mandate.

Weiner? Who cares? His refusal to quit is helping the GOP and keeping the Dems off message about how those evil Republicans want to make old people eat dog food, kill Granny, etc…

He won’t last past the next election even if he hangs on. New York is losing a Democratic district….gee, I WONDER whose district will get eliminated??

Something happened to Newt. He’s not like the old Newt we used to know. To his credit: He owned the American Solutions “Drill Here, Drill now” campaign, for which I have great respect. And, a real working knowledge of American history. But, I can’t figure out what’s happened, is happening, in these recent months. What is it that happens after these guys serve in CONgress: Do they put something in the water? Where’s his fire? We need consistency. What the hell happened in Iowa? Hence the reason for drafting West NOW; Before whatever the heck happened to Newt, happens to Allen! Give us Scott Walker, Let me hear Cain’s fire. I love Sarah, but the fifth column has done such a bang-up job on her, that only 4 years in the VP chair would the people be able to see through all that nasty schickelgrubing. Deep in my heart, I know that Sarah has what Maggie has.

Antics is right about Oscar. Still in office, he is an asset to our side.

Prudence indeed. Before going off to work. Started thinking. What would make me want to quit THIS job? The answer is simple: Money. So, perhaps things are NOT what they seem. What if, some malevolent force, (Remember, the Kenyan’s warchest is > $1B, and there are even greater amounts of occult money, from say, some “spooky dudes”, which shouldn’t be discounted), perceived a threat, and decided to sandbag Gingrich by targeting a group of specific folks in Iowa, making them re-think things about their futures a bit? Things aren’t always what they seem; And, amazing things can happen. Never underestimate the power of a schmuck.

BATMAN, YES, MONEY TALK WELL for a tired politicien
money is turned into gold opportunity

Weiner has supposedly told friends he doesn’t know how he will make money if he resigns. If that isn’t a sign that he has no business in office, I don’t know what is.
He’s a professional leech with no other skills.
As for the MSM, hate filled moonbats like maddow are simply trying to protect a fellow hate filled moonbat. All they care about is that he is one of them and in their minds, can do no wrong worthy of removal from office other than voting against the party on a core issue.

Just replace them all! Not just Oscar Weiner and Newt!
Day One: Shoot all the lawyers and judges! (this way they will not be able to become the next wave of garbage)
Day two: Shoot all the politicians!
Day three: Swear everybody else in at gun point!

JUST A JOKE !!! BUT WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUT WASHINGTON!

JV Hoffman, napolitano beat you, but you’re a good second,
and those who survive will get out by themself.

I wonder if Weiner can survive this?

Police on Friday afternoon came to the home of a 17-year-old high school junior to ask her about direct online communications she has had with Rep. Anthony Weiner. Two officers from the New Castle County Police Department arrived at the girl’s home around 4:30 p.m. and asked to speak with the girl’s mother about the daughter’s contact with Weiner. Another officer appeared at the home a short time later.

The police stayed at the home for 30 min, then left with the girl and her mother…
Try as Democrats might to disown Weiner, he embodies the party’s moral rot.
Now, if he gets tagged as a ”sex offender” all bets are off.

@Nan G:
So when do they go after Billy and Hillary?

@NanG

…But Weiner does not have shame, he only had tearful anger about getting caught.

So in the future, will such political misuse of Twitter be called “Pulling a Weiner”?

They are both embarrassments to each others party, and people in general. Wiener more so of course. Maybe the Newt could take the Wiener on a cruise along with Bill Clinton, and all the other politicians who have gotten caught with their pants down. They could call it the Ship of Fools. Corny I know. But these idiots who do these things and don’t expect to get caught have to be fools.

@J V Hoffman: Statute of Limitations?

JV Hoffman, hi, on 14, they go straight to hell after.

@Alfonso Bedoya: Why limitations? Do they both not serve the State? is not Hillary the secretary of State destruction? At least that is what she is doing? In case you didn’t know Monica was a cover for much bigger problems….like one person at a time is not enough? Bunch of sick perverts!

Pelosi, Wasserman Schultz, and Steve Israel have ALL told Rep. Anthony Weiner he should resign.

Pelosi released the following statement Saturday:

“Congressman Weiner has the love of his family, the confidence of his constituents, and the recognition that he needs help. I urge Congressman Weiner to seek that help without the pressures of being a Member of Congress.

Wasserman Schultz released the following statement:

“It is with great disappointment that I call on Representative Anthony Weiner to resign. The behavior he has exhibited is indefensible and Representative Weiner’s continued service in Congress is untenable. This sordid affair has become an unacceptable distraction for Representative Weiner, his family, his constituents and the House – and for the good of all, he should step aside and address those things that should be most important – his and his family’s well-being.”

Israel issued this statement:

“Anthony’s inappropriate behavior has become an insurmountable distraction to the House and our work for the American people. With a heavy heart, I call on Anthony to resign.

“I pray for his family and hope that Anthony will take time to get the help he needs without the distractions and added pressures of Washington, DC.”

SOURCE CNN
The tide has turned.
I guess Weiner will heed these calls and quit the house next week.

Weiner said he’s going to stick it out. That’s what got him in trouble.
Where’s Smuck Schumer on this? Some mentor?
Who’s going to sponsor or cosponsor any Weiner bill? This is cancer and the Weiner is defanged. NY loses a district and will probably sink the Weiner.

Dick Morris says that Newt is a champion debater and will test his wares before he shuts it down.

@oil guy from Alberta:

Weiner said he’s going to stick it out. That’s what got him in trouble.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Thanks for the chuckle!!

oil guy from ALBERTA, hi,
I’m glad anticsrocks mentionned it, because I would have miss it,
too ealy in the morning to think.

@Nan G:
Lisa Weiss claims she “approached Rachel Maddow” when what she really did was send Maddow a random crackpot tweet about a “juicy political story”. Her claim about “reaching out” to Maddow is bull crap. I am unsurprised that MSNBC and Maddow do not return calls about such an idiotic statement. How many stupid tweets do you think Maddow gets in a day? If Weiss thinks that qualifies as “approaching” someone, she should STFU and get back to ripping patrons off at her blackjack tables.

@liberal_simon: Yeah I guess you are right, She would have had to include her Liberal Socialist Communist party membership card number to get a sure reply! Maybe it is possible she had been red listed in the Oscar Weiner daily report as dangerous and a possible threat! Oh! Oh! If she had put “liberal” in front of her user name that would certainly drew an response now wouldn’t it have!!!

Has this shown up on F/A before? My apologies if it has. I just received this from a friend in California and it relates to the Birth Certificate and how it was poorly created with Adobe software.

Is there any credibility here? Someone please answer.

Art, I’m not an expert but that guy is, and I have no reason to disbeleive him,
IT MUST HAVE COST HIM QUITE A BIT AGAIN TO GET THAT ONE,
that is beside the cost in million to hide it before,
what the heck, money is no problem when it come from the TAXPAYERS
thank you,
I’M SURE YOU’LL GET SOME INPUT , once the group come here
no, I never seen it here before.

Referring to my post above on the BC, I checked Snopes and it seems to be holding up well. Sad. Scary

Ditto, that is so funny, you know I will try that one in my comment
sometimes to somebody, like
are you trying to pull a weiner on me?
even if I’m the only one to laugh
bye

While they usually do their research very well, Scopes.com has been wrong before, and being human are not incapable of making incorrect conclusions. I remain “agnostic” regarding whether or not Obama was born in America or elsewhere. At this time the argument is pointless, and we would be better served by concentrating on supporting a suitable opponent.

I have been a computer graphics artist for over a fifteen years using a wide variety of professional programs, and I agree completely that the long form birth certificate is not only a fraud, but that it is a poorly created and unconvincing one. Who ever created the artwork, they are clearly an amateur. I wholly doubt that it was created by an intelligence agency artist, because they have the capability of creating a professional quality forgeries. The OCR explanation for the layers is a bogus and frankly lame debunking attempt to explain away the existence of layers to the typical layman, (and to deter the consideration of serious examination of the artwork).

Hell, given the time, I or many other trained computer graphic artist/animators could have created a much more convincing birth certificate computer artwork that could pass as a legitimate scanned birth certificate. (Note: that forgery is a crime I would never consider committing, but having had to create realistic official looking documents for video presentations, I will admit that it would be completely possible using the proper artistic techniques and a multitude of professional computer art tools.)

@Ditto: So, as a country are we to just let it sit there without judicial action? Holder sits there with his wiener in his hand and we let the Fraud continue distruction of the country? Where the hell is the Republican party on this? Is no one taking action?

This has been discussed many times here in FA, but I do not have easy access to the archives. Mata, Curt or one of the other moderators would have to give the links.

Again, my position is that it has never been definitively proven, one way or the other, whether Obama is an American born citizen. Since I have no idea which is true, I remain agnostic. But paint me as very suspicious. Red flags are raised by the fact that Obama has sealed most of his records, because of all the money and effort he has made to thwart investigation, and because of this obvious fraudulent birth certificate.

Holder is Obama’s man. He and his justice department will not not touch it. There appears to be a consensus not to pursue the matter. The media and both political parties refuse to recognize the possibility that the document is a fake, and ridicule any who try to bring it up. All federal enforcement agencies fall under the command and control of the Office of the President, and he has filled most of the leadership positions with his hand-picked cronies, so don’t expect cooperation there. There have been some who try to bring charges but there has been little success in pursuing this in the courts. Until a case makes it all the way to the Supreme Court’s juristriction, Hawaii does not have to open their files. Perhaps it is because no one want’s to admit to the public that they have been played the fool, and they fear the public reaction. The Democratic party leadership has admitted that no one ever vetted Obama over whether he was eligible, to run so they pretend it isn’t an issue. Republicans don’t want to bring up the issue apparently because they don’t want to be branded as “Racist Birthers.”

The only other option would be for the individual states to demand an investigation, but don’t hold your breath there, for if it were proven that Obama was not eligible, the states would be just as culpable for having allowed an ineligible candidate to be placed on the ballot.

If it were proven that Obama was never eligible to become President, the voters would lose all faith in the integrity of our election system .

@Ditto: Ditto here is how much things have changed. If Nixon where in Office today… Guess what? He could not be impeached for what he did. Is my cork screwed in backwards or does that make sense to someone? There is a glaring double standard at hand here as to what Politicians are allowed and what the common citizen is allowed. If Bill or Hillary Clinton, or Michelle Obama were common citizens and tried to buy a firearm the would not cut the muster, their records and the charges brought against them would apprehend them from passing the muster for the purchase of a weapon! Yes if someone even swears a restraining order against you then you will not and most likely not be able to legally buy a weapon!
I know without doubt some Socialistic Communist will try to poke fun at the point I am making. However I really will not lose a single moment from anything they could say or do.
My point is that there is something essentially wrong with a system and members of Government that has control over “the people” who by way of their records would deemed “unacceptable” to employ or utilize their Constitutional rights!
This is like leaving the snake to watch the eggs. Everyone ask How can they destroy the Constitution and sneer at the Bill of Rights? Because it doesn’t apply to them except when they wish to hide behind it to keep anyone or any group from deleting any portion of their power.
Not only so, the Constitution and the Bill of rights to these people is nothing more than stumbling block that just gets in their way and makes them have to hide and obscure their actions from the Public.
What seems to be escaping the American public is that there is an enormous double standard and both parties are playing the game.They are in bed together! Just like Art questions in comment #31 It appears most every one in Office either is incriminated by their actions or by their omissions!
I do not wish wrong to come to anyone, but I do wish that some event by the hand of God or whatever will occur to reveal to the American public with undeniable evidence and occurrence that the people who are in office have no business being in the positions they are and that they are really no more than criminals and psychos sickos who should not even be allowed to serve in any public capacity!
It is amusing that Obama has not even submitted sufficient proof to matters to even qualify for a passport and yet he is the so called “president”.
Our government is so overloaded with committees, panels, commissions, projects, and appointed Officials that it reminds me of a fish you have caught but you can not tell what type it is from being covered with Parasites!!! Where are those Senators, Congressman, Representatives, and Governors who ran for office and where elected on the representation that they were going to stand up for our rights? They are sleeping with the enemy!

The NYTimes is reporting that Weiner will resign……I also heard that he intends to run for the same office again after he finishes his ”therapy.”

@Nan G: Nan G These people are unbelievable! What therapy can install integrity, honesty, moral repose in an individual? How can you ever trust anyone who will lie under gun point? Much less when it came to knowledge of his actions he did not do as anyone who had any moral fiber about him. But rather he did everything that any bottom feeding scum would have done… deny until it is undeniable!
I wonder how his wife is sizing up with this? She being a Muslim and a practicing Muslim knows very well what their Prophets have written ” A believer can sink unto the point of commit theft, or committing rape, or committing murder murder by what ever reason or means. However a believer can never lie and if they do then it is evidence then it is evidence they never were a believer”. For those of us who know what are the laws of Islam….after all of this if she really is a believing Muslim she is required to leave him according to their laws.
But we will see! Because as we have seen nothing holds more importance to a politician than to remain in the position to have power and to manipulate!

OMG I just learned I have belonged to a liberal organization for most of my life! The NY Times said so so it must be so!!

@J V Hoffman:
Weiner will address the media at 2PM eastern.
As to his wife, she cannot be a Muslim.
Muslim females are not allowed to marry outside their religion on pain of death (of both husband and wife.)
Huma is of that heritage but not a follower of Mohammad.
No matter what her heritage, however, she was bound to have been humiliated by his actions.
I feel for her.

@Randy:
LOL!
Our family, too!

“When our armed forces are not firing missiles, they live by an astonishingly liberal ethos–and it works.
The military helped lead the way in racial desegregation, and even today it does more to provide equal opportunity to working-class families–especially to blacks– than just about any social program.
It has been an escalator of social mobility in American society because it invests in soldiers and gives them skills and opportunities.”

”An astonishingly liberal ethos….”
BUT first, the military has to ”break you” in boot camp.
Otherwise, their ”astonishingly liberal ethos” would not take.

@Nan G: Nan G… Not to differ with you but that is what the Media in this country says. But if I have to believe any news Media on this matter I will choose to believe the Gulf States media who clearly say she is Islamic. Further more I happen to know super well the laws of Islam…and you have a little oversight in your statement as to who a Muslim can marry. Muslims can marry Jews it is done all the time in Israel both ways (much to my regret with it effect on the children), because Jews are regarded as monotheist by most all of the groups of Islam and not Infidels as are Christians and most any other religion. Weiner is an ethnic Jew much to my shame and embarrassment. Just to punctuate she is even more so required to separate from him because he is not a migrating Muslim (meaning he is not converting to Islam.)

@J V Hoffman:
I stand corrected.
Huma claims to be a Muslim.

She said she got him to quit drinking.
I wonder.

Huma ignored most Muslim teaching to marry Weiner. (Apparently not all Muslim teaching.)

“And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikoon) invite you to the Fire, but Allaah invites (you) to Paradise and forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember” [al-Baqarah 2:221]

IOW: It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim from any other religion, whether from among the Jews or Christians, or any other kaafir religion. It is not permissible for her to marry a Jew, a Christian, a Magian, a communist, an idol-worshipper, etc.

PUT another way by another Fatwa:
Muslim women should not marry them until they become Muslim,
because Allaah says in Soorat al-Mumtahinah (interpretation of the meaning):
“then if you ascertain that they [emigrant Muslim women] are true believers send them
not back to the disbelievers. They are not lawful (wives) for the disbelievers nor are the
disbelievers lawful (husbands) for them”

[al-Mumatahanah 60:10]

@Nan G: Nan G… I like the way you do research, however I have been, lived and worked in most all of the Islamic countries of the Middle East…text book wise what you are saying is correct. However there is also the cause of the objective involved in a marriage. Especially in the case of the Shias (Shiites) who live outside of an Islamic nation with Shia law. If their declared objective is to further the expansion of Islam then there is so much more that is permissible. Also do you know what the word ” MUSLIM” means? It means someone who believes in God as one entity. Not as Christians do, like it is three in one, but singular!
I do not know if you travel much but Europe is filled with sanctioned Muslim marriages with European women who did not do much more than to declare that they believe Allah is the only true God and swore to never worship or pray to anyone but him. If they lived in a Muslim then the process is very different, and they even assign the bride to be to another woman. Text books do not always cover the realities of life. Nothing can take the place of being there and experiencing the life surrounding such matters. If every religion was run according the their text book we would not be in the mess we are in now!

@JVHoffman

Also do you know what the word ” MUSLIM” means? It means someone who believes in God as one entity.

Jews fall under that particular definition.

At the risk of igniting a firestorm of theological arguments, I offer up the following: The trinity you refer to is Catholic dogma and is not present amongst all Christian religions. While many Christians refer to Jesus Christ as the “Son of God,” the original definition of the word “Christed” meant “God incarnate” aka, the Messiah, which infers that God himself has come down and inhabited a physical body. (Christ was NOT Jesus’ last name.) The “Son” is God, they are the same entity. Granted, many Christians see the two as two separate entities, however this is because their clergy failed to educate them to the distinction of what “Christ” means, and the original concept has been mostly forgotten amongst the flock. Many of the clergy understand the confusion and do not press the issue. Some clergy still do use the concept of Christed in their teachings; “They are one, Jesus is God” but again, do not explain the distinction.

@ Nang

I also heard that he intends to run for the same office again after he finishes his ”therapy.”

Weiner’s “office” may not exist very much longer, so he would likely have to run against one of the incumbent representatives that absorb his district.

@Ditto:
@Ditto:
I had forgotten that NY was losing a couple of Congressional Districts.
You are so right.
_________
As to the ”firestorm” I had not ever heard of the term,”Christed.”
Messiah is Hebrew for Anointed one.
Christ is Greek for Anointed one.
Each king of Israel was anointed, as was Jesus as king of kings.
It didn’t make him God, his father.
I have been a non-Trinitarian Christian for decades.
There have been non-Trinitarian Christians since Jesus set up the first congregations, through time right up until now.

@Ditto: Yes Ditto we do fall under that classification in fact Jews are the oldest Monotheist while we have been Monotheist for over 4000 years as the son’s of Abraham the Muslims have only existed for around 1,700 years. We as Jews do not believe in any form of incarnation, in fact since Abraham that has been what can be called an article of our faith in modern terms.
I have both close friends and business relationships with many Muslims and for the most part we are actually as “brothers” and refer to each other as such and as well treat each other as such. Just an interesting note that is unseen and unknown by many but in our (Jewish) and the Muslim writings concerning the burial of Abraham both Isaac and Ishmael prepared Abraham’s body together and buried him, and that God was pleased with this unto the point he stopped the heavens for a moment when they both mourned the passing of their father Abraham. Some of us practice this relationship with compassion one for the other, to honor the name of God.
I appreciate your note Ditto, and I do understand your point I studied the Christian faith for several years and I have 10 years of Rabbinical studies. Thank you!

Nan G, Ditto,
hi, I don’t see any thing wrong with the TRINTY,
YOU NAME IT ONE FAMILY WHERE THERE 3 GODLY FORCES,
THE FAMILY OF GOD; HIS SON AND HIS SPIRIT IN ONLY ONE WITH 3INSIDE ONE GOD’S FAMILY
IF I pray TO GOD, I by the same token am praying to JESUS CHRIST AND TO THE SPIRIT IN ONE FAMILY. I should ad to it, my impression, like me a human is1 [JESUS BEING MADE A MAN], with my soul [spirit] is2,
and my power of creation and thoughts in my brain is 3, IS[GOD],
BUT I AM ONE, as they are one.
my views

BYE