Whoa boy….THIS is the intellect the left has going for it? I give you Sheila Jackson Lee
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat from Texas, said on Tuesday afternoon that repealing the national health care law would violate the Constitution.
Arguing that the Commerce Clause provides the constitutional basis for ObamaCare, Jackson Lee said repealing the law by passing Republicans’ H.R. 2 violates both the Fifth Amendment’s right to due process and the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause.
“The Fifth Amendment speaks specifically to denying someone their life and liberty without due process,” she said in a speech on the House floor moments ago. “That is what H.R. 2 does and I rise in opposition to it. And I rise in opposition because it is important that we preserve lives and we recognize that 40 million-plus are uninsured.
She continued, “Can you tell me what’s more unconstitutional than taking away from the people of America their Fifth Amendment rights, their Fourteenth Amendment rights, and the right to equal protection under the law?”
Oh….but Sarah Palin is the dummy.
Geez louise. I have to wonder who is more ignorant. This lady or the people who continue to elect this lady.
Allah in all his snarkiness:
If you take this idea seriously, then meaningful reform of Social Security and Medicare (which Lee presumably would describe as property for Due Process purposes) would require constitutional amendments, which in turn would utterly paralyze a process that’s already close to total paralysis. Or have I misunderstood? If she’s suggesting that some lesser process is due than a full Article V amendment, then, er, shouldn’t a repeal bill duly enacted by Congress suffice? Or is the argument here that people with preexisting conditions, say, have always had a right to coverage under the Constitution and only lately have we “progressed” to the point where we’re willing to recognize that right? In that case, why’d they have to pass a bill last year? Patients should have simply sued and let the courts “find” a right to coverage in the “penumbras” of the Commerce Clause or whatever.
Now don’t go confusing this poor, intellectually lazy, human being.
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Well now I need to get another new keyboard, I need to avoid drinking while reading anything that has to do with the Democrats and their beliefs… I am laughing so hard I am crying, the reality is that its very sad but I still can’t stop laughing..
Er, no. Repealing Obamacare would fall into the “stupid, but constitutional” category.
” I’m Sheila Jackson Lee and I hail from Houston, Texas”. Is there a way to gerrymander this POS out of the House? Yea Vietnam was an east west border problem. Green thumb- plenty of plants for the legitimatization of Obamacare newspiel. She is the posterchild for a failed educational system!
“Repealing the Job-Killing Health care Law Act”?
Republicans have grossly misrepresented the consequences of health care reform and have grossly misrepresented numerous studies and projections in order to do so. I suppose in tacking a misleading title onto a bill they know doesn’t actually stand much chance of repealing anything, they’re at least being consistent.
Wow that’s a new spin. I thought I was scared before. Now I am really frightened.
Oh God, WHEN WILL IT END ???!!!!!
The Left – they will fight tooth and nail to hold onto their base, even at the cost of making themselves look well, er…umm…aaaa well, you can fill in the blank.
Without a doubt the people who elected her….This kind of stupid shouldn’t be allowed to hold any office at the federal level but people vote blindly without thinking there might actually be consequences…It’s a problem on both sides of the aisle and while I really dislike the thought of term limits, I came to the conclusion a few years back that term limits is probably the only way to limit careerism and corruption in Gov’t.
Hey Greg
Do you think insurance companies are not entitled to delay coverage for pre-existing conditions?
Where is the “right” to health care?
Do you know what a “right” is? ( I mean aside from it being anything Democrats want to give away)
I’m just amazed at the number of congress-critters that go out of their way to prove their ignorance and stupidity. Sheila Jackson Lee has done this multiple times. This is just another one of those times.
And this intellectual giant is making laws. Yes, the people who keep electing her to office must be as dumb as rocks. And yes we need term limits.
Dumbass from Houston with the IQ of a brick.
@Greg:
Well Greg, let me bring it down to a simple enough level for you:
1. Stealing from the taxpayer to give to the non-taxpayer is still STEALING.
2. Please explain why, if managing the citizens’ relationships with doctors is a function of the federal government, did the framers completely omit any mention of it in the Constitution? Why was the “Department of Healthcare” not one of the first established?
That’s all for today, someone else will have to feed you. But then, that’s pretty much what socialism is for, isn’t it?
Greg;
We got you in the crosshairs and will soon have you in the crossfire . . . wow, I used the stupid newspeak terms in a sentence that he will truly understand, LOL . . . sometimes I just crack myself up. So if you are watching the CNN show Crossfire does that mean you have it in the crosshairs? There I go again, cracking myself up.
These people are scary, endemic to the dumb, dumber, and dumberer. To think that our descendants are at the mercy of these, what-would-you-call-them, er, uh, idiots.
We need to repeal health care now obama care is just pure fascism and this represents the fascist coup on America by the federal government VIA Israel !
I cannot have any respect whatever for Rep. Lee.
She has no concept of a written basis for a government (a Constitution).
Ms Lee is unaware that our Founding Fathers had, on the basis of history, developed a precise concept: there are activities that a Federal Government can undertake, and there are other activities at which a Federal Government will fail. Thus the 1787 crew developed “enumerated powers”.
Sadly, the Fathers were correct. In each and every instance of which I am aware, the FG decision to participate in an activity which is not in the enumerated powers has led to disaster.
* Aid to Families with Dependent Children–two generations of fatherless children.
* Agriculture price supports–four generations of congresscritters kept in office by lobbyists for agribusiness.
* Department of Education–a new generation even less educated than the last.
* Department of Energy–more dependent on foreign oil than ever.
* Food and Drug Administration–still banning good drugs and permitting bad ones
* Department of the Interior: still sealing of vast tracts of land, so that we must import more raw materials.
I would go on, but I do not have the time to write a book here.
The reasons for failure are obvious, if one only knows where to look: the issue is how one quantifies success or failure. In private business, success means satisfying a customer. One fails when the customer is not happy. One fails when the competitor out-satisfies one. Fail and go out of business. The payoff for customer satisfaction is profit.
In the FG, success means establishing a supervisory empire. There is no competition. The customer is irrelevant. There are no incentives for efficiency, customer satisfaction, or quality. One cannot go out of business.
We still have a telephone excise tax, established in 1898 to pay for the Mexican-American war!
But the true believers soldier on, trusting that taking from some and giving to others will make it all better.
William, keep that up and the black helicopters will carry you away. Wrap your head in tin foil and they can’t see you tho.
I’m very confident in the CONSERVATIVES making a diffrence in the WHITE HOUSE,
you all will see stern determination to follow their AGENDA step by step, and that will prepare the way for AMERICANS to know who to VOTE for , ACTION for the PEOPLE by THE PEOPLE, or
what you hear and read and see now.
“Unconstitutional” is the new race card.
Another stellar example proving that “education does not equal intelligence.”
Ms. Lee is, after all, a graduate of Yale (BA) and the University of VA (JD).
Guess who? heh
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/138685-democratic-lawmaker-repealing-health-reform-is-killing-americans
Rep. Paul Ryan explains the smoke and mirrors regarding the numbers the democrats gave the CBO, my have those numbers changed. We were told Obamacare would not increase the deficit, Ryan asks if that were to be true, why does it increase the debt?
Watch his remarks on the House floor, good stuff:
http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=6720
Aye – Doesn’t say much for affirmative action, now does it? All that program does is force stupidity on the rest of us. And when stupidity gains a position of power or influence we get what we have now.
Aye says:19
“Ms. Lee is, after all, a graduate of Yale (BA) and the University of VA (JD).”
Remarkable!
This ranks right up there with worrying that the island might tip over…
@Greg: You said:
Really?
Take 4 minutes and watch this video, if you dare.
This is getting like a Crosby/Hope movie: “The Road to the Banana Republic.”
Stop cracking on Buckwheat’s mom.
“I suppose in tacking a misleading title onto a bill they know doesn’t actually stand much chance of repealing anything, they’re at least being consistent.”
Well, Greggie, I reckon we’ll just have to pass the Job-Killing Health care Law Act in order to find out what’s in it, won’t we?
“Ms. Lee is, after all, a graduate of Yale (BA) and the University of VA (JD). ”
Which must explain this Wikipedia quote: In 1997, during a subcommittee briefing, Jackson Lee asked a NASA scientist if the Mars Pathfinder had photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong had left on the moon.
@ anticsrocks, #23:
So, Ryan is saying that the CBO can’t be relied on for accurate cost estimates?
I suppose that explains why the republican House leadership doesn’t want to give the CBO time to complete an estimate of the cost of Health Care Reform repeal before voting on it.
Cost of Repealing Health Care Reform Estimated at $230 Billion Over 10 Years
I read the comment here at FA from our CONSERVATIVES, and I think to myself, every time:
WHAT A SMART GROUP WE HAVE, AND WHY DON”T WE HAVE MORE OF THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE?
AND my answer is wait till 2012, we’LL be there,
@Doug, #26:
One always has the option of reading the document, instead of just thumping on it day after day while dramatically proclaiming that no one knows what’s between the front and the back covers. I’m pretty sure democrats will read the details of any alternative republican proposals–assuming that they ever get around to putting them down on paper.
sigh… You’re naivete falls considerably short of charming when it’s likely you’re a registered voter, doing considerable harm with your determination to remain uninformed and dependent, instead, upon party talking points.
Uh… what was that your azz was mumbling?
Not enough “on paper” for you, and your choice of media used for your education, to miss? How about amendments?
If you go thru the history of both HR3200 and the final bombshell that passed, HR 3590 via GovTrack or Thomas, you’ll find the hundreds of amendments that the Dem majority, as well as the press, chose to ignore.
Needless to say, the GOP got around to putting plenty “on paper”… both in introduced bills and amendments. The Dems neither read, nor gave it the time of day.
Your optimism in your party’s “fairness” is sheer fantasy.
Garbage in equals garbage out, greg.
The CBO is required to assume that current law will be enacted as written, even in cases where this seems improbable at best—as, for instance, in the case of deep cuts to Medicare that could threaten seniors’ access to care.
CBO Director Doug Elmendorf writes:
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?cat=5
*We know Obama has cost taxpayers billions with his 222 waivers from ObamaCare.
*We know ObamaCare collects taxpayer cash for 10 years to pay for 6 years worth of coverage.
*We know several portions of taxpayer money (hundreds of billions of dollars) were counted twice to both pay for ObamaCare AND also pay for other programs when each dollar can only be spent once.
*We know ObamaCare included a ending the ”Doctor Fix” even though the Doctor Fix continues.
*We know that ObamaCare pretended only 19 million Americans would purchase tax-subsidized coverage…..but ObamaCare disincentivizes so many small businesses to drop private coverage that the real number is much closer to 35 million…..the resulting cost is very high.
@Nan G, #31:
It seems to me that the document that paragraph is from hardly makes the republicans’ case for repeal of the Health Care Reform Bill.
… speaking of party talking points, the GOP is on record with “repeal/replace” agenda… not just a repeal. We’re all awarey of the nanny entitlement ponzi schemes being on a direct course over the cliff. But since there’s nothing in the O’healthcare that addresses runaway costs of providing medical services, it’s absurd to stitch it up with patchwork repeals instead of just starting over. i.e. TN’s Sen. Lamar Alexander:
Therefore the CBO would only be seeing the figures of saving the trillions in spending, and deficit difference by not collected increased revenue built into O’healthcare. That’s only half of the equation. Also, as the CBO noted in their Jan 6th preliminary analysis, many of the projected figures they were given to work with on O’healthcare are incorrect, and they have to go back and adjust for the ugly reality instead.
Oh yes.. there’s that “revenue lost” by not absconding additional cash argument again…..
Marsha Blackburn R-TN was interviewed today and she’s introducing the Shadegg bill tomorrow. Allows sale across state lines. She said costs to TennesseeCare quadrupled from what it was estimated to be.
Also, today’s WSJ Health Care Repeal Won’t Add to the Deficit written by the following three gentlemen: (will just c&p, long suspected some don’t visit the links)
Repealing this bill will not add to the deficit, leaving it as is will costing a whopping $2.3 trillion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954004576089702354292100.html
#35, Missy, thanks for the WSJ link.
It included a number I only hinted at in my #31.
Going mostly on memory, I wrote:
*We know that ObamaCare pretended only 19 million Americans would purchase tax-subsidized coverage…..but ObamaCare disincentivizes so many small businesses to drop private coverage that the real number is much closer to 35 million…..the resulting cost is very high.
Your link added details:
If only the 35 million lowest wage-workers leave their job-based plans, federal spending will rise by another $1 trillion in just the first decade.
Thanks.
@MataHarley, #32:
“Never made it out of committee” pretty much nullifies any possibilty of a proposal’s real-world relevance. I would observe that republicans recently had controlling majorities of both the House and Senate for over a decade, and could have addressed serious health care problems in a fashion that most certainly would have been relevant. They didn’t.
The amendments listed were ignored because they got in the way of a long-standing goal democrats were pursuing with single-minded purpose. A number of the amendments had obvious political “poison pill” elementa by design. They were simply spat out. It was decided that reaching a goal that would fundamentally change the landscape for millions of Americans lacking access to health care was worth the political damage. The approach was reckless, but to my mind far from irresponsible.
With their new House majority, republicans are now in a position to propose any number of measures that could greatly improve health care reform. No one takes the position that what has been passed already is perfect. Tort reform strikes me as an excellent idea. If it was so important before, why don’t republicans bring it up now? I imagine they’d have a lot of bipartisan support.
I don’t know what they’re expecting to happen if their whole game is to roll everything back to pre-“Obamacare” conditions. Do they really want to reinstate denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions? To drop millions of adults and children back into uninsured status? To reinstate abusive recission practices? To bring back lifetime limits for the seriously ill? To eliminate the tax breaks for small businesses providing health insurance for their employees? How do they propose to deal with escallating Medicare costs?
Greg, maybe you never heard of HIPAA.
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act was passed by congress in 1996 in order to provide Hipaa rights or protection for employees when they change jobs or are involuntarily terminated from their job.
Greg, you had heard of the primary justifications offered by the President and his congressional accomplices for defying the public will on “reform” involved the benefits Obamacare would provide patients with pre-existing conditions?
Well, that turns out to have been another of Obama’s trademark whoppers:
About 200,000 Americans whose illnesses have kept them from getting regular health insurance will not be allowed to enroll this summer in a new lower cost federal program …
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=thejournalnews&sParam=38360226.story
The problem, it seems, is that these patients had enrolled in VERY expensive state plans designed to cover patients in their situation. And Obamacare contains some fine print:
The nation’s new health law creates a far cheaper insurance program opening July 1 for people with pre-exisiting medical conditions. To qualify, a person can’t have had health coverage for six months.
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=thejournalnews&sParam=38360226.story
In other words, these people are trapped in the pricey state plans. It’s a classic “catch-22″ situation: These folks can’t go without coverage for six months and they can’t enroll in Obamacare unless they do.
This from a guy who didn’t think the GOP ever put “anything on paper”?? You should have just quit at your first sentence, there…. I’ll repeat it for you.
That, Greg, is why nothing got out of Dem controlled committees to the floor for debate. They wanted no input from the minority party to “get in the way” of their “long standing goal” and “single minded purpose”. Meaning, they didn’t listen, didn’t want to know and didn’t care about minority opinions.
But now you think they’ll “listen” to GOP? Whew…. you are a real case for the brainwashed. Can’t even defend your own statements in the face of reality.
Because, Greg, after a year of being dissed for tort reform by your party members, there’s a piece of legislation on the table that needs to be dealt with first. As an “add on”, tain’t nothing when you’ve already screwed the entire process fiscally, burdening the nation’s taxpayers and implementing the shortage of payouts to providers as part of the plan.
Plus there is the matter that whatever is done on a federal level, it must be done to no infringe on 10th Amendment rights and states that have already implemented this.
How do I put this? If you bake a cake using sand instead of flour, there is no improving the cake with icing. You’ve got to throw the dang thing out, and start remixing from scratch. You’d have to junk 90-95% of O’healthcare to even get close to a start in “improving”. Even the good idea of exchanges as a shopping portal needs to be redone, and with less – better yet, NO – government control.
I find it frustrating to have to repeat myself over and over on this “pre’existing” crap line you sheeple buy into. Nan G mentions HIPPA above. In that same Clinton legislation is the inability for any group plan to deny pre’existing coverage for longer than 12 months max. Most group insurance plans require 30-60 days of employment before they will cover you at all.
Now how many of the nation’s insured are individual plans vs group? According to pro O’healthcare fan, Ezra Klein, not that big a percentage at all.
Wouldn’t it have been simpler to create more potential “groups” so there is no need for individual plans? Then, if they wanted to play with the current HIPPA rules, and make a federal mandate of no more than 6-9 months, they aren’t reinventing the wheel to address that issue.
Do get off of it. I just cringe when I hear you guys bring up this crap. What is it about existing law that escapes you?
Mata, you schooled Greg again. I love it.
@Greg – obviously you didn’t watch the Paul Ryan video – and that is sad, because no reading was involved and it was only about 4 minutes long.
You and B-Rob must be brothers from another mother.
“One always has the option of reading the document, instead of just thumping on it day after day while dramatically proclaiming that no one knows what’s between the front and the back covers. I’m pretty sure democrats will read the details of any alternative republican proposals–assuming that they ever get around to putting them down on paper.”
It’s like you’re in some sort of drug-induced fog. My little jab was at how NO ONE was even allowed to read the original bill that you hold so dear. And yet, it was SO important to present SOMETHING to PrezZero that the democrat morons said “sure!” and voted for something they knew nothing about.
Well … actually, the House never voted on it directly. Had Peloski even attempted to do so, it would have never passed, so they dreamed up this “deem and pass” nonsense to skip around a direct vote. Only a parliamentary maneuver enabled this turd to slip out of Pelosi’s political anus.
Thus, my suggestion that we return the favor in 2011 and don’t let the democraps see, smell, touch, or lick it before the vote is taken. Fair’s fair.
You know, I’ve often wondered why if this bill is so important to the populace, that SO many lives will be saved by it, then why the hell won’t it go into effect until 2014? Your side is willing to let all those people die between now and then? Why?
@Doug – You said:
Excellent point!
So how about it, Greg? What say you?
Doug, hi, yes, they don’t seems to care about the ones who are sick at this time,
they really goof on that ,
The last I knew any part of the Constitution and its amendments can be repealed. Even the Constitution itself can be repealed.
Looks like Greg, much like the no longer present B-Rob is too scared to answer, lol. I expected as much.