Everything is set for the release of the new Flopping Aces design. Almost 10 months after starting the fundraiser we will reveal the new Flopping Aces New Years Day.
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Weekly Open Thread – New Design Edition
Everything is set for the release of the new Flopping Aces design. Almost 10 months after starting the fundraiser we will reveal the new Flopping Aces New Years Day.
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beautiful picture.
I can’t wait for the new layout!
I’ll clean the monitor, to prep for the occasion. 😉
Looking forward to the new site design.
Serious question for folks: What should we consider to be ‘victory conditions’ in Afghanistan?
Please, just don’t do what “America’s Right” did. They took an easily read blog and turned it into a very nice looking site where I can’t find anything.
Rob, I’m not familiar with that blog but no worry, it’s not a major facelift. The layout will be quite similiar but the look will be different and most importantly it will have the new web technology of the day behind the scenes which will make the blog faster and run smoother…I do not like cluttered looks and the new one won’t be that
Nuada, hi, may I, GIVE MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION,
WHEN THE TIME TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN COME,
LET OUR TROUPS GATHERED THE FRIENDS AND MAKE A PARTY THAT WILL BRIGHTEN UP THE SKY AFTER THEY ARE GONE AND SECURE ON THAT PLANE ON THE FLIGHT BACK TO THEIR BELOVED AMERICA,
THANK YOU ,AND BEST TO YOU FOR ALL THE NEW YEAR
@Nuada
A self-actualized functioning government, with the ability to police it’s people and it’s borders, that is not supporting radical Islam.
-Like Bush said 9 years ago.
Drat I won’t be home but in Vermont for a wedding. Maybe the laptop will be able to get a wireless connection as that didn’t happen last time I was there in October. We’ll see;otherwise it’ll be Sunday late afternoon.
Thanks for the update. His blog, and you should check it out, not bad for a lawyer 🙂 But I miss the old format, which was similar to yours.
@Patvann and @ILOVEBEESWARZONE,
Thanks for the replies.
I agree that our victory conditions in Afghanistan should be “a self-actualized functioning government, with the ability to police it’s people and it’s borders, that is not supporting radical Islam.” That benefits America’s security interests, and obviously benefits millions of Afghan people, as well.
I’ve heard Afghanistan described as “3000 wars, one with each warlord”. I think we can all agree that the Karzai government is beyond corrupt and of dubious use in achieving those victory conditions. (Though, as with many places in the Middle East, he might be the lesser evil.) I think we can also agree that achieving these conditions is going to take a fairly long time, and continued commitment of our forces in that region.
So, my follow-up question is: Is this the best use of our military might at this time? Is achieving this victory going to give us enough value to justify not only the cost of the war, but also the cost of not having the ability to project those committed forces elsewhere, should the need arise (Iran, N. Korea, countering Russian hostilities, countering Chinese hostilities, etc.; Not saying we would necessarily commit troops to warfare in these countries, but being able to project force to those regions, and present a credible threat has strategic value).
Please don’t take my questions as any slight against the men and women in uniform who fight every day for our freedoms. I have no doubt that our troops can achieve any mission they’re given. I’d just like to know that the mission we’re committing them to is the best one for America’s interests.
Tallgrass, took my Catahoula and Pit/Catahoula cross to a sheep herder training session yesterday. I was the first one up with the Pit cross and scared that my pit would just grab a ewe and kill it. I told the young pro with me as we walked in to be ready with the hook because my dog had already killed several coyotes. He laughed and told me not to worry. She started with all the natural instinct of the expensive dogs and some said she was the best of the day. The handler put his hook in front of her when she was crowding too fast and she grabbed it like she was going to pull it away from him; otherwise, she was perfect. My young Catahoula did real well also, so it was a great day. Each dog had two runs and they wanted back in with the sheep for the rest of the day.
Just thought you might like to hear about my new hobby as a diversion from your problems.
For you dog lovers and stock men out there, this is a fun way to spend the afternoon and gives your dogs a job. My dogs are so happy today, it is really funny. I will go back next Tuesday with both of them again.
Diversions are important during these stressful times.
Nuada, yes, you are saying what I’M sure the militarys are asking themself in their times of doubt,we heard it a few timesfrom some of them, feeling the impossible way of fighting
this EVIL WAR, WHERE THEY STILL NOW AFTER ALL THESES YEARS HAVENT BEEN SUPPLY A WEAPON WHICH WOULD PULVERYZE THOSES EIDS YET, FORCING THEM TO SEARCH THE DEEP GROWN AND AT THE SAME TIME FACE THE ENNEMIES, WHERE NO PLANES PRECEIDE THEIR MARCH TOWARD THE WAR ZONE, I dare any one to try that way of marching
toward any obstacle which is the way they must do,
this is KEEPING YOUR EYES ON THE GROUND MARCHING AHEAD TO A KILLER MOB AWAITING YOU,AIMING AT YOU, AND STILL NO PLANES AHEAD OR BEHIND, NO BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING FOR YOUR CALL.
SO IT’S NORMAL FOR THEM TO THINK …WTF AM I DOING IN THIS HELL
SKOOKUM, VERY HAPPY THAT YOUR DOGS MADE THE FIRST CLASS VERY WELL,
AND YOU TOO SUCCEDED TO HOLD ON TILL THE END OF THE CLASS
LEAVING YOUR DOG FOR ONCE THINKING FOR THEMSELF IN THAT SITUATION.
BEST TO YOU, BYE
CURT, YOU MENTIONNED WILL BE FAST, WELL WHAT ARE THE SLOW ONES LIKE ME TO DO ?
WILL I BE ABLE TO CATCH ON OR STAY BEHIND THE OTHER FAST ONE?
BYE, AND BEST WISHES,
Skook;
I have delt with this situation for over 10 years now . . . there are good times and then there are those situations that are anything but. Thanks for you advice and if the opportunity comes up what you suggested is exactly what I will do . . . the challenge is having owned this property for well over 30 years, long before my problems next door were born, it is a really heartrending situation, especially with ther real estate situation only seeming to get worse. My place is now worth only about 75% of what it was just 4 years ago . . . wow, I would lose a significant chunck of change, especially since I am one of those that is debt free . . . my real estate represents most of my life’s work.
Wife and I are considering moving to Maine. Lived up there back in the 1970’s and if there were opportunities to work at the Naval Shipyard in Portsmouth, NH/Kittery, ME we would probably move in a second. About the only work in my area, nuclear power engineering, is around the shipyard up there. I was in the yard there on one of the boats that I was stationed on and I really like the environment and the people . . . of course that was in the 70’s . . . who knows what has happened since then, lol.
Still wonder if how it would be to live in Dawson Creek, lol. Think they’d welcome a Yank Native up there?
WHAT COLOUR WILL THE BABYS OF THOSE 2 BEAUTIFUL HORSES BE?
Tallgrass, Dawson Creek and Fort St John are international cities, but there is zero opportunity for someone with your skills. There is a huge hydro-electric plant in Hudson’s Hope, but I know little of the opportunities. BC is so steeped in Socialism that they are nearing California and New York meltdown situation. Alberta and possibly the Yukon are the only places in Canada that are rich. BC should be rich with mining and logging, but the corruption that rides in with Socialism has broken the economy.
The energy sectors of Edmonton and Calgary, two of the most dynamic cities in the world is fantastic. There is wealth and opportunity to be made up there, especially in the energy fields. Check it out. Many of the energy people in Alberta are Americans. There is real money up there.
Keep an eye out for positions. If you liked Maine, you would love Alberta. Great Hunting and the best trout streams in the world, not a brag, just a fact. With money comes expensive housing, farms, and ranches, part of the deal.
Oil Guy From Alberta isn’t putting anyone on, all four of my kids are in the energy industry and none of them have ever considered a day without work or high pay.
What other state province or country needs to import 2,000 German carpenters to keep up with the housing demand.
Alberta is the place you want to consider and no they don’t care if you are a loin cloth wearing Yank.
Bees, I was in the arena learning how to be with the sheep also, I know next to nothing about sheep. It was a blast, most of the people had typical collies, shelties, border collies and such; just me and another guy had the rougher type dogs. It is open to all, so it is great fun; although a few of them looked at me and my dogs like we were barbarians. (They were scared)
Eventually the dogs will herd geese and cattle; you usually start with sheep to learn how to be more careful. Cattle are dangerous and geese are really difficult to herd. It will be a great hobby for a horseman of maturity.
If the horses are a stallion and a mare, they could produce the white or black colors or more likely a gray color; although they could produce the paint color (patches of either white or black). They might produce a different color with each foal. That is the genetics game, it is a roll of the dice.
When you breed the best race horses to the best race horses for millions of dollars, we must remember that only 7% pay their own way and of those only a few make the big money. It s a game for kings, but those are not race horses. They are horses that are just enjoying a run in the snow and tossing care to the winds, for who knows what dangers lay just beneath the snow.
Rep. Lynn Jenkins tweeted this:
In the tweet Jenkins also linked to a story by David Farenthold explaining that the 20th amendment was supposed to end lame duck sessions by truncating the life of expired Congresses to January, when they had been returning until March.
But that didn’t end lame duck sessions; it just made them not worth doing in the era before airplanes.
And then it got easier to travel to and from Washington and the lame ducks became ways for the exiting Congresses to get work done.
In July 2010, like she said, Jenkins introduced legislation to prohibit lame duck sessions. The key bit:
See it all here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5842
It should be interesting to see if this gets legs.
Rob in Katy…
I agree with you about America’s Right. I used to read it regularly. I don’t any more.
SKOOKUM, THANK’S, IT must be harder to breed a pure white ore pure black horse than other,,we had a horse completly beige cream colour and I think they are more rare than mix colour, am I right?
Skook;
Makes me wonder how well my Great Pyrennes/Rottweiler would handle sheep . . . he’s never seen one . . . but let me tell ya . .. he works the cattle like he was born to it. He’s a big brute weighs at least 150 pounds, pure white with black markings. As a pup he was a beauty. He actually adopted me . . . he was born to a bitch Rott owned by my crazy neighbors and I went over to pick them up one day and he came running out from under a trash pile like a rocket. It was shocking to see such a small puppie rush me. He was an absolute ball of mud. After I spent two hours washing him . . . he was the purest white with black markings . . . took him to the vet and I must of had 20 people try to get me to give him to them.
I used to take him to the woods with me when I cut firewood. He would set back off about 50 yards away from me and watch me very intently as I ran the chainsaw to cut down standing timber. He disliked the loud noise of the saw, but he never got to far away.
One day I was walking along a creek bank, trying to find a place to cross the creek. It was cold as hell and the bank of the creek was ice covered. The creek was froze over with a layer of ice about 3 inches thick. I started slipping down the bank, like slow motion. As the bank went by my waist I reached out and set the chainsaw (which was not running) on the bank. As soon as I reached out it changed my momentum and my feet went past my face. I landed on the ice flat on my back, knocked me out cold as a wedge.
I broke through the ice from the nape of my neck to the back of my knees. Next thing I know, when I came to, I have 150 pounds of dog setting on my chest, licking my face for all he’s worth. Once I started trying to get him off me, he gets so excited he jumps around like he wants to play . . . pushes me on through the ice. The water was only about knee deep and not flowing or I would have been in real trouble.
I think to this day that dog probably saved my life. He roused me out of being unconscious and if he had not done so I would have froze to death laying in the creek.
He gets a donut everytime we go to town and let me tell you I don’t have to tell him twice to get in the truck.
I used to have a neighbor that trained shelties . . . but he moved away a few years ago.
I got a neighbor that trains dogs . . . mostly protective and police . . . have to check with them about where the crowds gather.
Sounds like a great time.
SKOOKUM, LIKE YOU SAY, EVEN 2 OF SAME PURE COLOR WILL NOT NECESSERALY BREED THE
TOTAL COLOR DUE TO THEIR GENETIC ANCESTORS
TallGrass, wow I like the story, this must be quite a beautyfull dog and one you dont see in every corner, best to you for this year coming like a lion
Tallgrass, he sounds like a natural. The trainers told me several times that the dogs know more about it than I do and they were right. We just need to get with them and let them know where we want the sheep, whether to put them through a gate, move them left or right, hold them in a corner. or separate one to be doctored. It is often a signal with the old shepard’s crook, voice commands, and whistles. In the final stages, you control the dog from a hundred yard away or maybe further. Dogs like yours, want to do well for you, it is up to us to let them know what we want done.
I never thought I’d own sheep, but if I happen to buy the right ranch in the future, I’ll be selling lambs every spring. There are several different disciplines and some of the cattle work is done on horseback, I like that idea, you know how cattle can be.
Sheep are a different challenge because of their flighty nature, they have real speed, but they herd up extra close. I think you would love it and it would make your dog a better dog while building a better relationship with more tools and commands between the two of you.
You could have died on that ice or under it, that’s quite a dog!
Tallgrass, I am sure the info is on your computer for your area, here is one from the West Coast:
http://home1.gte.net/jerstew/table_of_contents.htm
IT would be very interesting to read about a person telling how many lives did they
almost loss, in their years of living
Got a question for everyone:
I think it will NOT help blacks find jobs.
It might (in my opinion only) actually cause blacks with clean records be shut out because they will be lumped in with blacks whose checks are not good.
Did you know that unemployment by race in November 2010 was
9.2% for white Americans but
16% for black Americans.
If you are between age 16-19 and
white unemployment is 20.9% but
46.5% if you are black.
The only animal dumber than a sheep is a chicken…and even then I think it’s a toss up. I once watched a sheep run into a fence and knock himself out, only to get to his feet and do the same thing again…twice!
Tallgrass – what part of Ok are you in? Would you expect that your problem is a common one?
Bees…
White in horses is dominant – meaning that at least half of the offspring will be white. If the breeding is consistently white, chances are very good that all of the offspring will be white. Black is a double recessive. It’s recessive in coat color and recessive for the gene that causes what is called agouti coloration, which results in a bay horse…reddish with a black mane and tail. The cream color you mention is either palomino or dun – a coloration that includes a dilute gene, and which is always a mix between a dominant and a recessive. The homozygous (both genes the same) dilute gene causes the colors of cremello or perlino (both have blue eyes). If you cross a cremello and a chestnut, you get palomino. The black and white above would almost certainly cross to produce a white. _That_ white would produce a white or something else depending on the color of what it was bred to.
It’s enough to make your head spin!!!
suek, I got thoses few laughs I needed , the sheep smarter than the chichen?
I dunno, my neighbourd chicken can run to that same fence after they chop their heads,
even one runn after me once for longer than I tough and almost catch me as I fell on another one,
thank you for he scientific expertise, on horse colour supremacy, AS I told you before you are so smart even now I find more of your knowledge,
I wish the best to you for this ending year and for the new coming one, bye
@ilovebeeswarzone:
@suek:
I thought the babies would look like this:
AYE CHIHUAHUA , YES POSSIBLY HE OR SHE IS BEAUTIFULL THANK YOU,
MAY ALL YOUR WISHES COME THROUGH,
AYE CHIHUAHUA, I don’t know why the horses decided on other pattrns and drop the lines
they look like you drop a can of paint on them, where the CREATOR did those intricated lines ,
possibly they got lazy and went eazy, no extra work for the lines,
that ‘s what people do also, dont want to complicate their life with involvment of difficult choice, so they do it splash anyone will do,
@Curt:
Powerful photo! Beautiful!
Well, Rio and I will be bringing in the New Year together this year if we are able to stay awake that long. Looking forward to seeing the new site, nuff of the teasing, it’s almost here. 😉
@Skookum:
Oh to have a trained dog, sigh. A maintenance man knocked on our door today, had to shut the 17 pounder in the computer room. When the guy left, let the schweiner out and he attacked the front door, exactly what I knew he would do, he does it every time no matter how long I leave him in there. Don’t know what he gets out of slamming himself into the door when the people are aready gone. Another mystery to solve?
Sounds like you found a nice outlet for your dog to perform, bet he loves it and it’s fun for both of you. There’s lots of sheep around our area in Missouri and Pyrenees. Never go near the sheep when those dogs are around, they don’t care if you are a human or a coyote. They can be very gentle when they aren’t in with the sheep.
@Tallgrass:
Our friend got a Pyrenees pup from a family in Missouri and brought him back to Illinois. Our friends family had a business that was built on the edge of their family farm. Salesmen would show up and wind up with that drool all over an embarrassing part of their suit after “Buck” greeted them. He became a salesman repellant.
Hubby and I visited the farm where our friend’s dog was born, at the time we had a 4 1/2 pound poodle that was with us, hubby went to the door, I stayed in the car and my window was open. This huge dog came loping over to my side of the car and stuck his head in the window, slobbered all over my arm, the poodle attacked him, the Pyrenees started growling and all I could do was push the yapping poodle back and slowly roll the window up with that great big head hanging inside the car finally getting it rolled up enough that he backed his head out.
Usually, they are the “gentle giants” but some of them that we’ve met on the farms are gentle to a point, just not when they are working. Beautiful animals!!
Missy, I have a customer in CO with sheep and cattle. They use a Pyreneese to guard the sheep from coyotes and border collies to herd them. They haven’t lost one to a coyote since using the big dog. This is their second one, but there is one problem and that is me. When I go to the ranch, the dog deserts the sheep and comes down to sleep next to my car at night and watch me while I work during the day. The dog has ever deserted his post otherwise. The first one died of old age and now they have a new one who does the same thing. They asked me if I put some kind of voodoo trick on the dog, but I don’t know how to do something like that. It has been bizarre behavior that has us baffled. Thankfully, they haven’t lost sheep during my stays or I might not be asked back. (I have worked there for over 20 years) I think the coyotes are scared to death of those dogs. The dog never comes up to me, he just watches every move I make and acts afraid of me.
@Skookum:
It’s got to be you! Down there, if they are inside the fence they aren’t nice, otherwise they are sweet.
My friend had donkeys that were the same way, she kept them with her calves, she even had to pen up her cats until sale barn time because the donkeys didn’t even tolerate the cats wandering into the pasture.
We were going to hunt for rocks one day and the only way we could go into that pasture was on four wheelers and that’s another story. 😉
A few years ago, I ran into a lady I use to date in high school back in 1965. She had gone on to become one of the foremost goat experts in the world. Anyway, she had a place in Grass Valley, CA where she rented her goats out for cleaning forests to prevent fires.
I went with her to the Vets in Oroville to pick up her two 60 lb puppies that had been altered. There was a cute little girl at the reception desk and about 7 other people in the waiting room holding their pint sized animals on their lap. An, my friend, was asked for the names of the dogs for the record. She gave the cute girl two numbers followed by the sex of the pup. An explained that these were working dogs and didn’t have names. They were trained to live with the goats or sheep and respond to threats.
The cute receptionist asked what work they did. An replied that usually, one grabs one end of a coyote while another grabs the other end. Then they pull the coyote apart. The people shielded their pint sized animals as cutie almost choked. I laughed as we carried the big white puppies out to the truck.
An use to sell these dogs all over the country at about 10-15 per year. She also experimented with some of the rugged Eastern European dogs to create a real bear deterrent.
Randy, hi what is the breed of thoses dogs?
bye very interesting
Bees,
They were Great Pyrennes. Later she crossed them with some Hungarian wolf hound or something. That made for a lankier dog but with lots of muscle.
Randy, those are no city dogs for sure,
all the best to you on this time of hope
Seuk;
I am located in Northeastern Oklahoma near Tulsa . . . about 30 miles out . . . kind of toward Arkansas . . . nice area actually, rolling hills, lots of open pasture land and creeks with lots of trees. Good hunting area if you like to hunt, deer, ducks, geese, dove . . . actually an area where lots of people choose to raise families. Small town life, decent schools that do a more than adequate job of preparing the students for college . . . wow . . . am I talking about the same place I mentioned above in my horror story . . . strange is this world we live in today.
Yes, right in this mix is the kinds of people that I talked about before. Oklahoma has a problem . . . drugs . . . a big one!!! Just yesterday a man from Jay . . . another small town . . . located near Grand Lake of of the Cherokees, one of the most popular retirement communities in the US of A . . . got arrested in Detroit for transporting heroin into DETROIT!!! Ugh!!! Jay, OK is only 40 miles from me . . . 40 miles of some of the most beautiful area you have ever laid eyes . . . The Cookson Hills, foothills to the Ozarks . . . would I want to live in that area? NO, NO, NO . . . the area is populated by a strange isolated kind of demograhic . . . when you travel through that area . . . which we do occasionally . . . it is kind of like going back in time to a strange kind of “Appalachia . . . you get kind of this strange out of place feeling . . . trashed homes, red neck beat up ole pick-ups, junk cars and rubish surround nearly every home . . . yet is not at all uncommon to flush Bald Eagles from the trees along the highway. Don’t stop at any home, don’t walk up to the door, for you will most certainly meet the double barrelled shotgun poking out through the ragged ole screen door. Why? Because the people are afraid of strangers and most likely there is a drug cooking operation somewhere either in the house or in the shed. In the past few years the number of Meth Cooking busts is up by hundreds of percent . . . just maybe 10 years ago the number of raids was less than 100 . . . it now in the several hundreds and should probably be in the thousands. Game Rangers and Wardens NEVER walk up on a “deer camp” . . . they get shot at!!!
Is this isolated to Oklahoma? Probably not . . . Arkansas, Missouri, and Kansas are all less than 100 miles from me . . . and this problem is wide spread. North Tulsa is RULED by Drug Gangs . . . Tulsa had 61 homicides this year . . . NOT many you say . . . Forbes Magazine rates Tulsa as the 6th most dangerous city in the US of A. The Tulsa Police Department of course disputes this ranking . . . . while at the same time is embroiled in a corruption scandal that has been going on for a long time . . . policemen are in the drug business or graft there from and everyone in Tulsa KNOWS it.
Would I move to NORTH Tulsa . . . only if I was ready to die.
One of the things I have discovered about Great Pyes is that they are a very recessive personality animal . . . that is until they find the “right person” . . . it is something the dog senses . . . the dog decides who they will or will not accept, period. Some of the pups out of the liter that my dog came from, his full brothers and sisters, eventually showed up at my place . .. not one of them would have much to do with me. My dog is the only one that has the pure white with black . . . the others were more Rott looking with tan and black markings . . . some had the double coated fur that you can spin into yarn . . . but some were a short hair . . . just bigger version of the Rott. I had three or four of them hang around.
One day I had another neighbor from a couple miles away helping split wood. His wife drove over to pick him up at the end of the day. When she got out of the car one of the loner dogs ran at her at like full tilt speed . . . scared the crap out of me . . . I thought the dog was going to attack her. Both her husband and I ran toward the car . . . but it was absolutely the most astonishing thing I have ever seen. That dog did the “wild dog” greeting . . . the wolf dance . .. I call it. The lady looked at that dog, looked at me and asked . . .”Who’s dog is this?” . . . I looked back at her and said, “He is no ones dog . . . but YOU are his HUMAN!” We all watched the dog as he did the dance of welcome . . . it lasted longer than you would think, the end came when he flopped on the ground and rolled on to his back at the ladies feet. She asked me, “Can I have this dog?” . . . I said, “No you can not have him . . . because you belong to him!” She looked at me kind of strange and I said, “Look at him . . . you’ve been adopted.”
Next she asked,”Can I take him home with me?” I said, “Sure, he’s not mine. He is from the neighbors house . . . but if he will go with you . . . take him, he really has no home.”
We chatted and messed around for a little while, probably half an hour and the dog never got more than 10 feet from the lady. When she decided to leave, she looked at the dog and said, “Lets go home.” When she got to her car she opened the door and said to the dog, “get in”. That dog had never been in a car in his life . . . but he jumped in that car like he’d done it a thousand times.”
A few months later the lady shows back up at the house, she has the dog with her. I knew instantly that she was bringing him back. It turned out that her husband had been sent to prison . . . for dealing drugs. He got a long sentence and she was having to move away and would not be able to take the dog with her. When she drove away the dog chased her car . . . I imagine he followed her all the way home. She showed back up with him a few hours later and asked me if I would chain the dog. I refused to chain him . . . the dog would have gone insane . . .it was obvious.
I told her to tell him to stay and he might. So she put her arms around the dog and talked to him. She left .. . the dog stayed. He stayed but he was clearly not ever the same again. His attitude changed, he spent a lot of time near me when I was outside . . . but he never greeted me with the wolf dance. A couple of years later I found him by the road . . . someone had hit him . . . I got the shovel out of the truck and buried him on the side of the road near the easement fence. I marked the post near where I buried him with a bit of plastic bag and I still drive by there and think of him, the “plastic post top” . . . maybe have to take it’s picture and post on FA.
Tallgrass, that is one of the saddest stories I have ever read.
TallGRASS yes , very touching even for not dog lovers, but I am a dog lover
AND I like their storys, thank you
Thank you for the info, Tallgrass. My daughter is moving to Ok… I know nothing about the state. It looks like a permanent move for her, and all info is welcome. I’ll copy and save… They’ll be located somewhere around the Vance AFB area.
I see that the newly elected governor of HI plans to release more of the information on OB1’s birth certificate to prove he was born in the US. I never thought where he was born was the real issue. Based on the religion of his father, the birth certificate likely shows he was born a Moslem. That would explain his actions in some cases (Envoy to Syria and Placating the others in the middle east) and his inaction in dealing with others (Iran).
@Nuada: #3
It all depends on who’s victory you mean. If you mean a military victory, it means killing or capturing ALL of the enemy. If you mean a victory for Obama, then our troops would join the Muslim religion.
@ilovebeeswarzone: The Icelandic horse is the only known purebred horse left in the world. Iceland is an island and they don’t allow any other horse on it.
@Randy: When our Constitution was written the term “Natural Born” meant that BOTH parents had to be citizens of the USA. Obama’s father wasn’t. The democrats have finally admitted that they didn’t vett Obama, meaning they didn’t prove to the states that he was a US citizen.
I would like to see our Constitution changed so that a person’s parents and grandparents had to be born in the USA to run for ANY Federal office, not just president. That would give each generation more time to absorb more of the freedoms that we enjoy.
@suek: #46
I suggest you ask the Air Force members who read FA if they know anything about the area. They would probably know the areas to avoid.