America’s Chavez [Reader Post]

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Hugo Chavez has nationalized American oil rigs, shut down 34 radio stations, is busy confiscating private property and annointed himself President for life.

America has its own Chavez.

Doug Ross reminds us that Mark Levin observed that we are as close to a dictatorship as we have ever been.

Last May, Mark Levin — the President of Landmark Legal Foundation — stated that President Barack Obama was the “closest thing to a dictator” this country had ever seen.

The list of horribles included his naked attempts to silence critics, his encouragement of voter intimidation, his support of rampant vote fraud, the implicit campaign to encourage illegal immigration, and his blatant abrogation of contract law (e.g., the GM and Chrysler bailouts).

Now, in a bold attempt to shut down the opposition media, Obama has declared Fox News the enemy of the state.

Now Obama is at it again, demonizing the most popular and trusted cable news outlet in the United States. In an exclusive interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, Obama made the extraordinarily un-presidential claim that Fox is “destructive to [America’s] long-term growth.”

That’s mind-boggling. Then again, Chavez also attacked Fox News.

But the list of Chavezesque plans is not complete.

Obama seeks control of the internet for “emergencies.”

The new version would allow the president to “declare a cybersecurity emergency” relating to “non-governmental” computer networks and do what’s necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for “cybersecurity professionals,” and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

And now that also includes the ability to shut down industries:

“Industries, companies or portions of companies could be temporarily shut down, or be required to take other steps to address threats,” states the report, citing concerns about an “imminent threat to the U.S. electrical grid or other critical infrastructure such as the water supply or financial network.”

Or support Republicans.

Obama has installed a shadow government of 35 czars who are unaccountable to Congress or to the American people. They include several Marxists.

Obama plans on using EPA rules to bypass Congress.

The timing of the EPA’s moves also hint at political motives. Congressman Welch believes the new policies are intended to tell Congress, “that if we don’t pass legislation, the President will not wait and will just go ahead and regulate.”

Columbia’s Heal agrees: “The EPA announcements are designed to put pressure on the Senate and on industry representatives who are pushing senators, that if they don’t act, [the EPA] will, in ways industry won’t like.”

(By the way, if you’d like to se what increasing CO2 levels do for green plants, go here)

And Obama can’t be bothered with Constitutional details.

Obama is hiring 17,000 health care mandate Schutzstaffel enforcement officers.

Barack Obama has never met a union he did not want to bailout. The head of the AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka, has called for the left wing government to take over private corporations.

And now he wants to wiretap your email.

And like Chavez, Obama has his own propaganda machine “Organizing for America.” with the self-indulgent adoration name mybarackobama.com.

We’re close. We’re very close.

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@Tom: #107 Refer to my post #109 under “Each state party must certify that their candidate is Constitutionally eligible to be president:
3:43-4:58.” I see I forgot to give the link to the video, so here it is:

All people running for president have to prove they are a US citizen.

Where does it say that? can you give an example of how a candidate has proven this and under what official circumstances?

Smorgs, questions: are you eager that he not be a citizen? What is your motivation here?

@Tom: You said:

…are you eager that he not be a citizen? What is your motivation here?

You still failed to answer my question –

Where did I say anything other than he has dodged the issue?

And here is another question you will not answer –

Why are you so opposed to him proving his eligibility to be President by proving he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America?

Sorry for the double posts earlier – was unable to remove one of them.

@Tom: You said:

All people running for president have to prove they are a US citizen.

Where does it say that? can you give an example of how a candidate has proven this and under what official circumstances?

Hmmm, just a small document that admittedly has gained in unpopularity with the left as of late in this country – the Constitution of the United States of America where in Article 2, Section 1 it says:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Is that a good enough answer to your question?

Oh and btw, John McCain showed his original, vault copy of his birth certificate in a Senate hearing when he was running for President.

@Tom: #112 I am convinced he is not a US citizen, and it takes a lot for me to come to a conclusion like this. I am the kind of person you would want on your jury if you are charged with something wrongly. I waited until I heard and read many things about the issue. The simple fact that he won’t show the birth certificate, if he has one, is not helping him.

With all the evidence against Obama’s legal status, and no positives, in my opinion, the only ones who still say he is legal are the ones getting a Federal paycheck of some kind and want to keep getting them, or just want to argue about something to see how long they can keep it going.

I am applying my “wrestling with a pig in the mud” philosophy here and not wrestle with you any more, you are enjoying it too much.

Smorgs, you still haven’t explained how you’ve come to believe he isn’t a citizen. What is it about him that would fuel such a suspicion? It’s quite an insult to level at someone, that he’s not an American, yet you make it so freely.

It’s interesting how, with Obama, his politics and policies don’t quite explain the frothing hyseria, so his haters naturally adopt some pet conspiracy theory to justify to themselves how they feel: birthers, Obama is a Muslim, Obama is racist against white people, Obama is an atheist, Obama is an observant member of a radical black church, Obama is a communist, Obama is a socialist, Obama is a nazi, Obama is an elitist. Is there a discount if you buy more than one?

@Tom: As I said in #113 –

And here is another question you will not answer –

Why are you so opposed to him proving his eligibility to be President by proving he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America?

You still haven’t answered it. You asked if other presidential candidates had to prove their citizenship. I answered you that McCain was asked to because he was born to parents who were United States citizens while his father was stationed in the military in the Panama Canal Zone.

Three major candidates have sought the Presidency who were born outside the United States: Barry Goldwater (ran in 1964) was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory, George Romney (ran in 1968) was born in Mexico to U.S. parents, and John McCain (ran in 2000 and running in 2008) was born in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Barry Goldwater’s case among these three is unique in that although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully incorporated territory of the United States, making it debatable whether or not he was born “outside” the United States. The Panama Canal Zone was under United States sovereignty between 1903 and 1979. None of these candidates was elected, so it has never been fully addressed whether children born to Americans overseas are “natural-born citizens” and thus eligible for the Presidency. However, McCain is currently seeking the 2008 Republican nomination for President. – Source

The question remains – Why ARE you so opposed to Obama showing proof of his natural born citizenship?

anticsrocks: hi, I think, there is so much suspicion on that matter, from the SPEECH I remember SARAH questioned it in her speech before the ELECTION, and what is strange is that many very smart, reliable and most credible to AMERICANS that had made research and are still doing it, and all conclude negative that he is not legitimated born AMERICAN, so It’s very normal for AMERICANS to have doubts because they believe more those who research on their own time;
more than the DEMOCRATS who have been caught lying to the people on different issues. bye

SMORGASBORD: hi, am I right to believe that ! the more we are heading for NOVEMBER, the more we have VISITERS from other side, trying to inquire, instead of commenting,
THEY question instead of commenting an answer, they try to trick some to get some feed for their party, and they leave showing no interest in the POST or any IMPORTANT MATTER.
bye

NAN G: hi, I find the SPEECH from OB in your comment on57,
highly offensive toward the MILITARY FORCES in this AMERICA.
AND the most dangerous thing to do also, as I heard it before quite a while ago,
this would create a dangerous conflict between those who gave the OATH to the CONSTITUTION of
THE UNITED STATES, against those who will give their oath to the president.

The question remains – Why ARE you so opposed to Obama showing proof of his natural born citizenship?

Where did I write I was opposed? I could care less if he chooses to show proof. What I’ve stated is that I have no interest in reading these links unless someone can explain to me why I should invest my time is something so far-fetched. People can make up anything about anyone and throw it up on the internet: It doesn’t mean I should feel compelled to investigate every silly claim that comes my way. Perhaps I’ll feel differently when the Republican Party brings their iron-clad case forward to the American public and the courts system so that they can reclaim the Presidency. Can you explain what they’re waiting for?

What drives people to come up with this kind of stuff? Since you refuse to give us insight into your underlying motivation, let me take a stab: it all comes down to certain people wanting to paint this guy as being ‘different’. Give it a little nudge, and ‘different’ can become foreign, un-American, Muslim, whatever. This isn’t going to make a dent in the psyche of most Americans. Most people are no longer predisposed to distrusting those who aren’t exactly like them and imbuing them with sinister qualities and characters. But for those who are, they’re going to need a reason to latch onto, a reason that doesn’t include a potential weakness within themselves. So now you have a veritable potpourri of reasons to choose from, just pick your flavor. If you’re a religion guy, you got the secret Muslim angle. You’re a constitution guy, you got non-citizen. The underlying motivation I keep alluding to isn’t really that hard to see, if you’re willing to step back and take a look. It’s a shame responsible elements on the Right don’t call you people on it.

If there is nothing to hide, why not show the birth certificate? I think the real reason is that it lists religion as Muslim. That would be consistent with a son born to a Muslim father. Do you think he would have been elected with that religion after 9/11?

@ Randy, if you cannot be hired to sweep or mop floors in the White House without an FBI vetting process, what is the big deal here? The Original vault copy of a Birth Certificate would clear the air and have it done with.

You and I both had investigations done prior to issuance of a Security Clearance for Classified info that is far below that of the POTUS and his Appointees. If there is nothing to hide, provide it and get it settled for good. Otherwise there is room for suspicion that the truth is not an acceptable product.

@Tom: You said:

Where did I write I was opposed?

If you are unopposed to Obama proving his eligibility, why do you argue against the idea so fervently?

You also said:

Perhaps I’ll feel differently when the Republican Party brings their iron-clad case forward to the American public and the courts system so that they can reclaim the Presidency. Can you explain what they’re waiting for?

Your argument makes absolutely no sense. You are blathering much like Obama does when he goes off teleprompter.

The Republican Party would not use the court system because as has been shown, any liberal judge would not be impartial in this matter. That would leave the the GOP to bring their case before Congress. And do you suppose the party in the majority (the Democrats) would allow it? But since you missed that point, let us also suppose that the GOP DID bring this “iron-clad” evidence before Congress, let us also suppose that Obama was removed from the Presidency. How would they “reclaim the Presidency,” as you say? I believe that the Vice President is first in line to take office in the case that a sitting President cannot complete his term.

You further erroneously stated:

Since you refuse to give us insight into your underlying motivation, let me take a stab: it all comes down to certain people wanting to paint this guy as being ‘different’. Give it a little nudge, and ‘different’ can become foreign, un-American, Muslim, whatever.

Again, you are making no sense. When did I say that I have ANY insight into whether Obama is actually a citizen or not. Believe me, if I had the “smoking gun,” I would have sounded that alarm long ago. Obama and his policies are destructive to this country.

But what really shows you for the rigid ideologue that you are is the fact that you are playing the race card. According to you, the ONLY people who think Obama may not be a natural born citizen of the United States of America MUST be racists. It appears you are well acquainted with Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

Tell me, were the folks that asked John McCain to prove his eligibility racists? Even if any of them were black, or Asian, or Latino?

Under what criteria is it okay to question Barack Hussein Obama about anything? Why is it all of a sudden wrong to be skeptical of our President? By your reasoning all the black Americans; the Americans of Latino descent; the Americans of Asian descent who were skeptical of G.W. Bush (or any other preceding President) were racists.

When Americans opposed Obamacare, we were labeled racists.

Opposed to Obamacare? Then You Must Be a Racist – Source

Opposition to ObamaCare Based on ‘White Racial Resentment’? (as per CNN) – Source

When we opposed virtually anything on Obama’s agenda, we were labeled as racists.

Opposition to the stimulus, to TARP, to the GM take over, and to cap and trade was apparently all based on racist opposition to Obama. Reverend Jeremiah Wright reappeared this week to helpfully remind us that opposition to health care is the product of the “racist right wing” upset that “poor people will be helped.”

Tea Parties? Racism. Angry town halls? Racism.

According to a certain portion of the left, there is no loyal opposition these days, just racism lurking behind each and every criticism of our new president. – Source

Sorry Tom, but you are grasping at straws here. You are trying SO hard to dissemble on this issue that you have done one of the most vile things that one can do and that is to call someone (much less an entire segment of people) racist.

I mentioned race? Where? Perhaps your subconscious is lording over you again.
This is getting old. My point is people believe what they want to believe unless they guard against allowing their own personal prejudices color their judgment. If you dislike someone, you should demand more proof, not less (or none, in this case).

The certificate is out there online for all to see, of course.

@ilovebeeswarzone: #119 That’s why I quit commenting to some people. You can tell which ones are only trying to keep a dispute going. I apply my “wrestling with a pig in the mud” philosophy to them and quit wrestling with them.

SMORGASBORD: hi, yes I copy some your work sometimes, and learn from ,
it often, I know when you play with those. Are’nt we a good group at FA,
bye

Tell me, were the folks that asked John McCain to prove his eligibility racists?

I have no idea. I would characterize them as idiots though, since the idea is preposterous on its face, not to mention deeply offensive to the man. I’d tell them they better have irrefutable evidence before publishing such a slur. I’d say I imagine they are driven by blind hatred of the man, which has rendered them sloppy in their reasoning. And I’d conclude that they are probably given to conspiracy theories in general.

Do you agree with my reasoning in this case, Antics?

@ilovebeeswarzone: #128 Oui!!!

@Tom: You said:

I mentioned race? Where?

…it all comes down to certain people wanting to paint this guy as being ‘different’. Give it a little nudge, and ‘different’ can become foreign, un-American, Muslim, whatever.

The underlying motivation I keep alluding to isn’t really that hard to see, if you’re willing to step back and take a look. It’s a shame responsible elements on the Right don’t call you people on it.

So when you said the above you weren’t alluding to his race? Just his possible religion and a vapid, “whatever?” Suspiciously vague there Tommy boy. And by the way, I take offense to your alluding to the fact that I am skeptical of Obama’s citizenship based on race. Problem is, you don’t have the cajones to come out and say it. If you are accusing me of something, spit it out.

…I imagine they are driven by blind hatred of the man, which has rendered them sloppy in their reasoning. And I’d conclude that they are probably given to conspiracy theories in general.

Do you agree with my reasoning in this case, Antics?

Um, no. The man was born outside of the United States of America, so in order to comply with the Constitution, he showed proof of his citizenship. There was no slur here for when you have nothing to hide there is no insult at all.

In fact, he did not even wait to be asked. In both his 2000 and his 2008 campaign he willingly offered up his vault copy of his birth certificate.

Too bad other candidates for President didn’t have the same sense of transparency…

I still don’t know specifcally why you’re suspicious of his citizenship, because you have refused to tell us. There must be reason you initially decided to pursue this.

As for racism, you brought that up. Of course there are racists who hate Obama, but that’s not what this conversation is about, I thought. If you think being black is ‘different’ in today’s America, that’s you, not me. I specifically lamented the many ridiculous assertions made about the man,which I listed in some detail. I don’t see his being black as being very controversial. I’ll go on record agreeing that he is. You’re clearly very hung up on race and have a hair trigger defensive streak, even when not accused of being a racist. You might want to look into that.

@Tom: You are an insincere, intellectually dishonest jerk. You very well know what you insinuated and I take offense to it. You are so spineless that you want to play around on the edges of using the race card, while leaving yourself plausible deniability. You ignore questions, you dissemble and you try to change the issue time and again.

Now to answer your stupid question.

I still don’t know specifcally why you’re suspicious of his citizenship…

Oh gee, I don’t know. Maybe because he has spent $1.4 million dollars of his own money to block access to his:

* birth certificate
* grade school records
* middle school records
* high school records
* college records
* college thesis/dissertation

Seems to me that he has something to hide. Funny how all other US Presidents have made these public records available, but Obama hides his. You don’t find that odd in the least little bit? I wonder, had Bush 43 done that, would you have been just as okay with it? Hell no.

Now you keep wanting to know what I think about this issue of his eligibility. I’ll tell you what I think.

I think he is hiding something. I do not know what it is he is hiding. It could be the status of his citizenship. It could be that his birth certificate says his religion is Muslim. It could be that when his mother moved him to Indonesia as a small child, she switched his citizenship to that country. It is on record that she removed him from her United States passport at that time.

I also do no know why he hides his school records, both elementary, middle, high school and higher education. Why he hides his early school records is unknown to me. But I suspect that he hides his college grades because they were in all probability not that good. Like Sotamayor, he is in all likelihood the poster child for affirmative action and that would not jive well with the pedestal the MSM has placed him upon.

So one last question to you, Tom. Why do YOU think Obama has spent (and it IS documented, so don’t even go there) $1.4 million dollars of his own money to keep all his school records and his birth records from seeing the light of day?

Got an answer to that? Probably not, you will just dissemble and blather on once again; but I thought I would at least try one more time. Then I will let you wallow in the mud pit that your mind resides in.

@Tom:

The underlying motivation I keep alluding to isn’t really that hard to see, if you’re willing to step back and take a look. It’s a shame responsible elements on the Right don’t call you people on it.

Would you kindly elaborate on this statement?

I’d love to hear you expound on what the “underlying motivation” is that you keep alluding to.

You’ve tiptoed ’round the edges, but never really coming right out with it.

So, spill the beans. What is it?

Exit Question: Was it wrong for the supporters of Hillary Clinton to originate the issue of Obie’s citizenship?

I have a feeling that the time is coming where we will see many who vote for that without
paying attention to alarm sound,in the beginning, as if they did not care for the law of this land,
yes they will be very ashamed of themself having participated in corrupt behavior at the highest office. of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

@anticsrocks: #132 It seems that Tom is one of those who likes to keep an argument going as long as he can. It is best to leave him alone like you said.

The reason I am replying to your comment is to give the reason Obama doesn’t give out his college info. He never went. Fox News interviewed 400 Columbia University students who graduated the same year Obama said he did. His picture isn’t in the class year book and nobody remembers him. The ones that were in the same Political Science class that he said he was in don’t remember him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2365625/posts

Another interesting story is when he was asked, “Who was one of your favorite White Sox players growing up?” he couldn’t come up with one name. He even gets the name of the park wrong. The video showing that part of the interview is blocked now.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/04/06/good-grief-obamas-a-fake-white-sox-fan-cant-name-one-baseball-player-from-white-sox-video/

There is a picture of Obama with a 3rd grade classmate in Honolulu in 1969, but according to Obama’s time schedule, he wasn’t in Hawaii at that time.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=188801

Obama is using a Social Security number from Connecticut, but he never lived there.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=152773

Google has helped hide Obama’s SS info:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=153901

The stories about our King-in-Chief just keep going on and on, and the propaganda media keep ignoring them on and on. World Net Daily has a web sight that keeps a tab of this stuff. Anyone can go to it and pick from among the many such stories at:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98546

anticsrocks: hi, I bet you feel like some other comment from a different name,
coming at you, like a probe, not so long ago, IT look so much deja vu, is’nt it? ,
different subjects both, and same pushy tactic by 2 different persons,
what would it means. bye

A. C. As you know I respect your opinion a great deal more than many of the characters on this post.Would be interested in knowing where you think Obama was born?What religion is he?Did he attend Columbia U.(my father and brother were graduates.)

Anything else you’d like to add. Thanks RJW

@Smorgs – Yes you are right, Tom only likes to argue. He never brings up relevant points – unless he considers far left talking points relevant.

I too wonder why the MSM goes as far as it does to protect this incompetent man. One day he will get his comeuppance and all will be there for us to see.

Debating most all far lefties is like saddling a cow. Takes you a lot of time and in the end what you end up with is pretty useless.

@ilovebees – Thanks. You are right, same tactics, lol.

I am letting this be my last word for now because I am leaving for the hospital. My heart surgery is tomorrow so I will be off the web for a bit.

See you guys when I get back.

@anticsrocks: #139 I hope your heart surgery goes as it should and that you do what the doctors tell you to do after the operation. We will miss you while you are gone.

@rich wheeler:

Well Rich, as to Obama’s birthplace, who knows for sure?

I haven’t seen anything concrete which indicates that he was born anyplace other than Hawaii.

His grandmother, prior to her death, did an interview in which she claims he was born in Kenya and that could be true or just the rantings of an old woman. Michelle referred to Kenya as his “home country.”

In addition, there are lots of other circumstantial things that point in the direction of an off shore birth but nothing strong enough for me to say with certainty what is actually true.

I will say though that the obviously overwhelming (+/- $1.4 M)desire to conceal any and all info regarding his birth, his childhood, his lower-level as well as collegiate education raises a lot of questions.

Now, what is he so desperately trying to hide? His religion? His paternity? Bad grades? Radical writings? Who knows for sure?

What do we really know about Obie other than what he has told us? That’s right, nothing. We have the carefully crafted narrative, but not much by way of concrete evidence to support it.

As to his religion, that’s a question that only he knows for sure.

Here’s what can be gleaned from the rather limited set of factual, and confirmable, information:

Barack Obama, Sr. was a Muslim. The Muslim religion, by custom, is passed down on the paternal, or father’s, side. So, by birthright, Obie would be considered to be Muslim in the eyes of other Muslims. His early school admission records (from Indonesia?) record his religion as “Muslim”.

From the Kristoff interview in the NY Times we know for sure that he practiced Islam for at least a portion of his life. Later in life he very well may have converted to Christianity. He says he did. He certainly sat in the pews of Rev. Wright’s church for +/- 20 years, getting married and baptized there.

We know for sure that in Islam there is no converting away. In other words, once a Muslim, always a Muslim in their eyes.

To me, his religion is really a matter that is strictly between him and God.

It’s not a matter that has any consequence to me at all because there is no religious test that has to be passed in order to Constitutionally qualify to serve in a federal office.

I will say that the communication of something as intimate and personal as ones’ faith should not require the tweaking, revising, or revisiting that we saw during the campaign.

Why the obfuscation? Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

His seemingly dishonest lack of forthrightness, and his outright secrecy and concealment on these issues should be a concern to all of us.

As to the Columbia U. issue, this thread was the first time I had heard that one. I haven’t read up on the issue at all so I won’t offer an opinion one way or the other.

Now, having said all of that let me state, once again, that matters of birth and religion themselves are truly irrelevant. His honesty and openness, however, are not irrelevant.

Finally, I again want to point out that we have far more than enough solid ground to stand upon when looking for reasons to criticize Obama and clearly demonstrate why he and the Dims must be stopped.

Every day, we see the disaster that he continues to wreak upon our country.

From high unemployment and record poverty levels, to the wasted stimulus money and the destruction of our health care system, we have plenty of concrete things to work with.

@anticsrocks:

I am letting this be my last word for now because I am leaving for the hospital. My heart surgery is tomorrow so I will be off the web for a bit.

antics,

All the best to you sir.

My family and I will keep you, your family, and your team of physicians in our prayers.

I look forward to seeing you back with us very, very soon.

anticsrocks : hi, I will pray GOD that you get a fast recovery, be sure that our thought will be with you,
and get back with FA,and the group which will miss you. bye take care

A.C. Thanks.I agree the loyal opposition would be better served debating the issues that matter like the economy,immigration,healthcare etc. I and large majority of Indies,Dems and moderate Repubs laugh heartily at birthers or berthers(SMORG).All these conspiracy theories provide great humor to many.

Re Obama and ChiSox.He didn’t live in Chicago till he graduated from Columbia at 22 and moved there.I’d forgotten what a big sports fan you are Smorg.

Finally, Tea Party composed of right wing Conservs. and PaulBots. has certainly awakened the Repub. Party but after O’Donnell and Angle defeats in Nov. most will realize it carries little power in mainstream American politics.

Anticsrocks Good health to you.

Obama doesn’t give out his college info. He never went. Fox News interviewed 400 Columbia University students who graduated the same year Obama said he did. His picture isn’t in the class year book and nobody remembers him.

what about this person?

Do you believe he attended Harvard Law School?

A better (more easily readable) copy of Obama’s essay, “Breaking the War Mentality,” is online in many places.

Here’s one.

He probably really wrote that.

It was dull and yet it is consistent with his modern-day attitudes toward disarmament and community organizing and USING students and any other useful idiots he can get onto his bus.

He wrote an article for a Columbia student magazine when he didn’t go to Columbia?

Here we have a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Droves of people who are perfectly credulous enough to believe Obama didn’t attend Columbia based on an internet rumor, UNLESS his attending Columbia makes for an even better anti-O story, in which case, yes, he did attend Columbia.

A spokesman for the Columbia College, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science.

He did not receive honors.

The program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate.

(I gotta say, I spent most of my 4 years partying, finding a mate, marching and protesting for civil rights, yet still I managed to graduate with highest honors.
I cannot imagine how dumb our current president must be to graduate without any honors.)

NanG # Thanks for posting the truth. What college did you attend.Columbia U. ranked consistantly in the top 10 Univesities in America. Harvard Law ain’t to shabby either.Any FALSE accusations about his attendance there?

False Columbia accusations might make some wonder about other claims posted on this site.
Just sayin

Rich, my scholarship was for MIT but I couldn’t take the cold weather.
Came back to So Cal and finished at Cal Tech.
Criminalistics: one of the first class of graduates in that major.
I think they call it forensic science nowadays.

@rich wheeler: #144 “….laugh heartily at birthers or berthers(SMORG).”

I am a good example of why you don’t go through school just to get through it. I am also a good example of how a public school can graduate someone who didn’t learn very much in school. I didn’t realize how many 4-5 letter words I was misspelling until I had spell check. It either didn’t catch my “berther” error, or I didn’t see it. I try to tell kids to learn all they can in school. It’s a lot harder to do AFTER you graduate from high school.

@Tom: #145 Have you noticed that all you can say is, “I’m not going to answer your question, but I am going to ask you another question that has nothing to do with the question you asked, or statement you made, or the links you supplied?” You should run for congress.

SMORG. My beef is not with your spelling abilities but with your continual posting of unproven rumours,gross exagerations,and outright lies see#148. IMHO this is irresponsible and will hurt the Conservative cause.
Your advice in #144 is excellent.

Off Topic Update:

My surgery went generally well. I had a reaction to the anesthesia, but it passed in a few hours and what should have taken 2 hours stretched from 1 pm to 11 pm. However I am home now, resting up and moving slow, lol. Thanks to all my well wishers at FA.

As to this Obama birth certificate issue, well this is what answers.com says about the need for a birth certificate:

Individuals need a birth certificate for purposes such as obtaining official documents like a passport; applying for a Social Security number; and for many other official, statutory, and private reasons ranging from education to life insurance. Parents also need a record of the birth of their children in order to obtain child benefits, tax credits, and numerous other purposes. – Source

Obama refuses to do something that ordinary Americans everyday have to do, and that is prove their citizenship. I wonder why it is that he is special and thinks that the rules don’t apply to him?

Again, I have no beef with where he was or wasn’t born, it is just that when someone spends $1.4 million of their own money it raises eyebrows. Honestly, had George W. Bush tried to hide ANYTHING about his past, the left would have been apoplectic. Does Rathergate bring back any memories? The left went into a feeding frenzy over fake documents.

I second that Aye, Anti…..really good to hear your surgery went well and your back home. Welcome back

anticsrocks
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I’m glad you’re OK.
I was praying for you.

Seems only a few people I know went through operations exactly as planned.
It is always something!

But you may have set a record for the longest operation of people I know.

Rest up.

@anticsrocks:

It is so good to hear that you are at home and on the road to recovery.

Take good care of yourself. Pay attention to your doctors. Do as you’re told.

🙂

@ anticsrocks…

HOOAH!!!

😛

@anticsrocks:

Wonderful news! sounds like it was a bit rough but you made it through and hope you are having a comfortable recovery.

Saw your message to late and didn’t comment but you were in my thoughts and prayers. I remember you mentioning spending time with your 22 month old daughter in a comment shortly before you had to go for surgery. Now we want you to get strong because you will have a whole lot of happiness to get through with your little gal, daddy’s hearts need to be soft as well as tough when you have little girls. 😉