September 6, 2010 Afghans wave banners saying “Quran is our law, Islam is our religion” during a demonstration against the U.S. in Kabul. Hundreds railed against the U.S. and called for President Barack Obama’s death at the rally denouncing an American church’s plans to burn the Islamic holy book on Sept. 11.Musadeq Sadeq-AP
As I’m sure everyone is made aware of already, General Petraeus has publicly spoken out against the wisdom (or lack thereof) of the planned burning of Korans on September 11th:
“It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort,” Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. “It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”
Hundreds of Afghans attended a demonstration in Kabul on Monday to protest the plans of Florida pastor Terry Jones, who has said he will burn copies of Islam’s holy book to mark the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Afghan protesters chanted “death to America,” and speakers called on the U.S. to withdraw its troops. Some protesters threw rocks at a passing military convoy.
Military officials fear the protests will likely spread to other Afghan cities, especially if the event is broadcast or ends up on Internet video.
Gen. Caldwell said many Afghans do not understand either the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment or the fact that President Barack Obama can’t simply issue a decree to stop Mr. Jones from his demonstration. Military officials said they were not trying to deny Mr. Jones his right to free speech, but feared he was not thinking about the consequences of his actions.
“There is no question about First Amendment rights; that is not the issue,” Gen. Caldwell said. “The question is: What is the implication over here? It is going to jeopardize the men and women serving in Afghanistan.”
As opponents of the “Ground Zero Mosque” like to say, “This isn’t about what’s legal. We know it’s legal. This is about what’s right.”
What good will be accomplished by the burning of the Koran? In its original Arabic, it is regarded with deep reverence by those who practice the faith seriously (both by jihadis and by peaceful Muslims), as the very Word of God. By trying to hurt “radicals” who else are they hurting in the process? Of course, Terry Jones, who authored a book titled “Islam is of The Devil,” is one of those who regards Islam itself as the enemy. This plays right into the hands of bin Laden and Zawahiri who desperately want the entire Muslim world to buy into their propaganda that the West, and the U.S. in particular, are persecuting Muslims and are at war with their faith. Truth is not on their side…unless al Qaeda has willing dupes like Terry Jones pawning for them.
There is no question that a good percentage of the Islamic world has a tolerance and anger management problem:
Allegations of mishandling the Quran have interrupted Afghan security training at least twice this year, Gen. Caldwell said.
In one instance, a Quran fell to the ground when an American officer opened a locker during an inspection of Afghan trainees’ barracks. The rumor quickly spread that the officer had thrown it to the ground, angering the trainees at the camp. “He quickly apologized, but rumors took off like wildfire,” Gen. Caldwell said. “It was so hard to get the misperception turned around we stopped all training for the rest of the day.”
Reports about the Quran have set off violent protests before. A report in Newsweek, later retracted, that a U.S. interrogator at the Guantanamo Bay prison had flushed a Quran down a toilet set off riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
And certainly there is a fair amount of double standard at work, where artists, comedians, writers, and anti-Christian bigots feel free to insult and defile Christianity while Islam appears to be “off limits”. At least not without “Islamic rage boy” terrorizing the offenders with fatwas and rioting.
There is no fear of Christian militant Crusadists walking up to Andres Serrano and stabbing him to death over Piss Christ.
However, a few points:
1) We are not in the middle of a war with Christian religious radical extremist militants where winning hearts and minds of the Christian majority is a major part of waging a global counterinsurgency effort.
2) Just because one can ridicule Christians and Jews and get away with it does not make it right to do so. One should, in general, be respectful of others. Be the example. The line of reasoning that argues “We’ll let a mosque be built here as soon as they allow churches and synagogues to be built at Mecca and Medina” are just juvenile and self-serving tit for tats. Why would we choose to be “more like them”? So arguing that we should burn Korans because others are able to desecrate things held sacred by Jews and Christians and get away with it is just a weak, childish, vindictive, gratuitous form of being what you profess to hate. Who are we really hurting here?
We shouldn’t have to tip-toe on eggshells around a particular religion and give special preferential treatment to it, not extended to the other faiths. However, the reality also remains that one of the three major faiths does have an anger management problem amongst a sizable minority of its practitioners and we are in the middle of a war. A war that requires the winning of hearts and minds and the marginalization of the more radical elements of Islam from the more moderate elements of Islam.
We have Muslim allies in our war. They and our enemy share the same Holy Book. But their reading of it differs. How does burning their Holy Book hurt our enemy and not our allies?
Interestingly enough, one of my friends who is French Muslim-American, posted a CNN video interview of Terry Jones a couple of weeks ago on her FB wall. Every single one of her Muslim friends merely laughed or was dismissive, expressing a “turn the other cheek” sentiment in their comments. No stereotypical Islamic rage here. One might call their reaction a very typical “Christian” response. They’d probably disagree and say they are being “Islamic” in their tolerance (Believe it or not, cynicism and derision aside, Sumbul Ali-Karamali talks about tolerance in Islam in her book, “The Muslim Next Door”).
I do not believe that desecration of the Koran hurts bin Laden and Zawahiri in the slightest. I do believe that they welcome- they beg for “International Burn a Koran Day” to occur….because it plays right into their propaganda playbook.
Just because we can…..should we?
A handwritten Koran is displayed during an exhibition in Malacca, Malaysia January 12, 2008. You Witness News/Aizuddin Saad
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
@Aye Chihuahua #153:
Maybe AdrianS is just trying to “fail forever”?
C’mon, Aye…get it right!
AYE CHIHUAHUA: hi, NOW WHO and where was it mentioned that they will or already have a MOSQUE in the WHITE HOUSE,AND they are following the FAITH in there.
Bees “Mosgue in the W.H” Your sense of humour is as great as usual.
>> The answer is no. There is no religious test for serving in the office of POTUS.
So what, precisely, is your point?>>
Per se, you’re correct. However there _is_ certainly a legitimate question to be raised if he deliberately deceived us.
One of the problems is the fact that muslims consider _all_ mankind to be muslims…but some people don’t practice islam. Therefore, they don’t speak of “conversion” to islam, but rather a “return” to islam. Also, in islam, the religion of the father determines the faith of the child. Obama’s father was muslim, so therefore Obama is muslim.(I know those two statements are somewhat contradictory – can’t help that) If he has actually left islam, then he is subject to death. Of course, if he’s just pulling a fast one on the kafirs, then that’s ok.
I don’t know what religion Obama observes. I don’t think BLT actually qualifies as a Christian religion – it’s really Marxism with Christian overtones. I know that Wright was also a muslim before he became a Unitarian. There are two questions to be raised – did Obama deliberately deceive us when he ran for office, and what do other muslims think? I think those questions are relevant – his personal religious issues are none of my business.
@suek:
Actually, I’m precisely correct because the US Constitution explicitly says that there is no religious test for serving in the office of POTUS or any other.
Politicians lie and deceive all the time so how, precisely, would Obama’s supposed deception on the matter of his religion be any different?
As to the rest of your post, I’ll answer in Cheneyesque fashion…”So?”
rich wheeler, I was asking where this news came from, BECAUSE I heard it more than once. bye
@Aye Chihuahua
Your teachers must have had a rough time educating you to the extent that they have failed.
Wherein do you see that I mention that Obama’s religion, whatever it is, as having anything to do with his qualification.
The qualification’s failure on Obama’s part is with this CITIZENSHIP. His father was NOT a US citizen and as such, Barack Obama cannot and is not a natural born citizen, by definition. Your saying it is not so does not make a difference.
My pointing out that Obama is Muslim is only to help explain his out-of-the-way and awkward favoritism for Muslims. The book he wrote expresses his favoritism of Islam and it’s call to prayer.
Obama’s having hidden his personal, professional, educational and other information AS HIS FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DECREE only shows that Obama has much to hide.
Even in one of the current lawsuits against Obama’s qualifications, he hires lawyers at extreme cost instead of opening up his records, transparently, for the public to view:
Strunk v Department of State update, September 9, 2010, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro passport records, Citizen Wells open thread
Link: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/strunk-v-department-of-state-update-september-9-2010-stanley-ann-dunham-obama-soetoro-passport-records-citizen-wells-open-thread/
Islam is not a “religion” of peace
http://thetandd.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_bd2b1f5c-babe-11df-9564-001cc4c03286.html
Get it right! Burn books, if you wish, it’s your right!
@AdrianS:
You are the one who keeps bringing up his supposed Muslim religion.
Again and again and again I have asked you “What, precisely, is your point?”
Again and again you have ignored the question.
So, again I’ll ask you what, precisely, is your point in repeatedly raising his supposed Muslim faith as an issue?
I posed the issue of qualifications for office in order to determine what your point is since you seem to be unable or unwilling to elucidate your point in a cogent, effective manner.
Outside of some legal or Constitutional restriction his faith is irrelevant.
You truly don’t have an inkling of a clue what US citizenship law entails do you?
Kindly point me to the portion of the US Code which supports your contention that because Obama, Sr. was not a US citizen then Obama cannot be a natural born US citizen.
Do please edumakate me O Wise One. I eagerly anticipate your answer.
Eagerly.
Hint: US citizenship law has no such requirement or stipulation, thus the current debate over the 14th Amendment and so-called “anchor babies.”
Your saying it is so does not make a difference.
Still attempting to perpetuate the blatant falsehood, eh?
I’ve already told you that you have it wrong.
Go do some research then come back and “Get it right.”
What do dictators in foreign counties do to prevent people from expressing their views?
In America some politicians (Obama and others) threaten them with horrible consequences, although in America we are a free country with Constitutional rights, which guarantee that we can express our views.
The following are the threats from twisted Americans in an effort to keep other Americans from exercising their right to free speech and expression:
Quote from article:
“Gainesville city police and the Alachua County sheriff’s office will both bill Dove World for additional police services on Saturday.
“We will be sending an invoice for costs associated with activities planned by the Dove Center,” said Bob Woods, spokesman for Gainesville City Manager Gene Blackburn. Woods declined to estimate how much additional police presence will cost the city but said it will likely be in the “tens of thousands” of dollars.”
— end Quote.
Note that the “services” police would be providing would more than likely be for the benefit of others, and not church members. Besides, it is their duty and obligation. Perhaps they are exaggerating so they can cash in on the event as is common in cases like this. But more than likely, it sounds as if the police and sheriff are trying to obstruct the freedom of speech of church members with their threats.
Nevertheless, if these jerks try this, they may find the courts could find them guilty of obstruction of the constitutional rights of church individuals, in an attempt to prohibit their freedom of expression.
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-09-08-quran-burning-florida_N.htm)
Obama’s empty and threatening remarks, as well as those from INTERPOL (which were made at the behest of Afghanistan) should be frowned upon.
“But scholars agree it (Constitution) will let a pistol-packing minister of a tiny fundamentalist church outrage countless Muslims by burning the Quran…”
— from: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-09-08-quran-burning-florida_N.htm.
It isn’t odd or unusual that in the United States when one individual is constitutionally allowed to express a diverse or divergent opinion, it doubtlessly offends or outrages some. It’s the way of freedom of expression, freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
Obama was NOT really a Constitutional scholar. Obama is a Constitutional liar and fraud.
WTF? It’s quite common for gatherings and rallies to pay for needed and jurisdictional security. I assure you that the Park police at Lincoln Park/National Park Service didn’t provide security for the Glenn Beck permitted rally for free as “their duty”. It’s all part and parcel of the permit/fees/insurance application process for any event.
Not only that, it’s also common for FD and rescue organizations to bill recipients for those for services after the fact… just as you pay an ambulance to transport you to a hospital.
So your assertation that billing the Dove dodos for police services is an attempt to “obstruct the freedom of speech” is woefully absurd. No, let’s make that desperate. You may organize demonstrations to redress grievances to your heart’s content, AdrianS. But “freedom of speech” does not mean that is a “free” service.
Care to even address the fact that they are planning on an illegal open burn? Probably not. But I hope they have several hook and ladder trucks standing by to open the high pressure hoses the minute they strike a match. Then, as far as I’m concerned, they can haul them all off to the hoosegow for deliberately ignorning the fire department, and putting Florida denizens and property in danger.
@AdrianS:
“…threaten them with horrible consequences“?
Really?
Please provide the precise quotes in which these supposed threats were made.
As to bearing the extra expenses associated with security and/or police protection when a special event is held that is standard operating procedure so that cannot be considered to be a threat. Ask Glenn Beck how much he paid out in security costs related to the 8/28 event.
I was slow by three minutes to your similar WTF? response to AdrianS, Aye. LOL Perhaps AdrianS has never organized anything but his/her sock drawer….
I find Obama’s opinion confusing.
He says burning a koran wll cause Muslims to act violently toward Americans.
But our troops kill Muslims probably daily.
Why not order that to stop?
And, if he did order that to stop, what else would it take before Muslims would treat us as well as they treat one another?
They treat their fellow Thai’s who happen to be Buddhist like dirt!
They treat their fellow Egyptians who happen to be Coptic Christians like dirt.
They treat their fellow Turks who happen to be Orthodox Christians like dirt.
They treat their fellow Philippinos who happen to be Christian like dirt.
I’m seeing a pattern here.
And NONE of those folks are burning Korans or at war against them!
Their only ”crime” is that they are NOT Muslims.
So, what’s the answer, Obama?
Is there a correct sharia that treats all non-Muslims well, one that could be applied in Muslim countries
FIRST?
Would a Muslim who called down apostasy against some Muslim country’s version of Sharia be allowed to live free there?
Or what?
@Aye Chihuahua #162
Comments made by me on this blog are self-explanatory. If you are unable to understand them from their content, may I suggest you ignore them or attribute them to higher understanding.
To mention often that Obama is a Muslim is to say that Obama is a liar and is not a life-long Christian as he suggests and many in the MSM have said. Obama could be Seicho-no-Ie or even Cao Dai; I don’t care other than he lies about what he is and hides who he is from the American people. (See paragraph below)
On Natural Born Citizen:
“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.” – from Wikipedia.
For your benefit, reasoning being difficult for you, had the framers of the constitution wanted merely a “citizen” as a president, they would have left out the idea of “natural born citizen”. Thus we have a CONSTITUTIONAL IMPERATIVE. Or are you suggesting otherwise?
Alas, the contents of Obama’s book can be determined from reputable websites. You’ll be surprised that, your inaccuracies notwithstanding, the quotes I presented are a accurate.
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QUOTE FROM: THE RESISTANCE – The growing resistance against Islamic jihad
“5/8/2009- Security News Brief; “ALL” Obama Records Sealed By Executive Order:
On his first day in office, January 21, 2009, Obama signed Executive Order 13489. This order was entered into the Federal Register on January 26, 2009.
What this executive order says, is that only the Attorney General (Eric Holder) and Council to the President, (Gregory Craig) are able to review presidential records requests and determine if they can be made public or not. (See Section 3)
In other words, you aren’t going to see any records or documents that Obama doesn’t want you to see.
It shouldn’t surprise to anyone that Obama’s first official act was to deny access to his records. Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Source: Morning Security News Brief via Internal Company News Wire-Washington.”
Quote From: http://www.antijihadresistance.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21110
Disco music is the answer…we need to send Disco music to the Mideast.
Here is my contribution…
The Trammps – Disco Inferno
@AdrianS: With Rights and Freedoms comes Responsibility. Permitting, Insurance, Public Services
overtime and other expenses come with that Territory.
Do you reckon that a Church with only 30 members did their homework and can foot the bill?
Should the citizens/taxpayers be billed for this incredibly foolish publicity stunt?
File it under Cheap Stunts and Jackassery. 😉
@Aye Chihuahua #164
For the benefit of all:
Threats of horrible consequences,
Obama:
(Reuters) – President Barack Obama warned on Thursday that an obscure U.S. Christian pastor’s plan to burn the Koran could provoke al Qaeda suicide bombings, as international pressure mounted on Washington to step in.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68709M20100909
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General Petraeus:
Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander of the Afghanistan War, said today the planned burning of Korans by a Florida church could put American troops in danger.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/petraeus_koran_burning_could_endanger_troops.php
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@Aye Chihuahua #164
You’ll notice that you mention ONLY events in which the beneficiary of the police protection is the event planners who request it. In the event of the FL church, neither the pastor nor the members of the church have requested protection, nor is there any apparent expectation of danger. Nevertheless, if, as police anticipate, there is a crowd, the police would be protecting the crowd. It is my understanding that the Koran burning, since the church was not allowed a fire permit, will occur in a small area somewhere not yet determined or announced.
@MataHarley #166
At least my sock drawer is perfectly organized. Is yours?
My guess is you probably have not organized anything of significant responsibility. Ever. LOL.
@ AdrianS, may I remind you that many Americans felt threatened by the Patriot Act?
I have seen “horrible things” abroad, genocide, ethnic cleansing, assignations and folks just getting
“dissapeared” for offering political dissent. It will not happen here unless the Bill of Rights is suspended and No One has the balls to try that.
Granted, Obama has no paper trail and no one knows who financed his education. That sticks in my craw but you can blame the most ignorant American Voting Populace ever for his election and the Democrat Majorities in the Legislative Branch. I did not vote for the guy but Due Process is required for Impeachment. We are still a Land of Laws. Burning the Quran is allowed but pretty dirt stupid given the fact that we have interests in the ME and Allies that we want to keep in the good fight to eliminate the Taliban Thugs.
BTW, I have organized more than a few things. A BCT Command requires those skills.
Your shots at Dave Petraeus are humorous but unwarranted.
@AdrianS:
Well, I’ve read your response in #168 twice and have to say, with all due respect, your self-touted intellect is less than impressive.
I requested that you quote the US Code section which supports your contention that Obama is not a natural born citizen due to his father’s lack of US citizenship and you provided a cut/paste from…wait for it…Wikipedia.
Wikipedia?
Then, upon analyzing the quote from Wiki it becomes apparent that you have no clue what a “Natural born” citizen is. If you did, then you never would have used that quote as source material to support your argument.
Sucks to be you, eh?
Your saying it is so does not make a difference.
I’ve already told you that you have it wrong and just because sites on the web say it is so doesn’t make a difference either.
Go do some research then come back and “Get it right.”
Tell ya what….just to offer you a sporting chance, and to provide you the opportunity to strut your superior intellect [snicker] why don’t you cite the page and paragraph numbers where these quotes supposedly appeared?
Yeah. Eagerly waiting for that too.
Get it right or fail forever.
aceofwands: thank you, they realgive a good show. byey
@AdrianS:
Nice try on the quotes. Epic fail in actually supporting your contention.
Here’s what you said originally:
Now, in response to my request that you support your contention that someone has been threatened you put up quotes where Obama and Petreus predicted possible negative responses.
What you didn’t provide is what I requested which is proof of your claim that those “expressing their views” have been threatened. Where have the Koran burning kooks or others “expressing their views” been threatened as you claimed?
Which politicians made those threats?
What, precisely, were those threats?
You claim that “politicians (Obama and others)” have made threats against those who are expressing their views.
If that has really happened…then prove it. Show me where “politicians (Obama and others)” have made threats.
Your claim. Your onus.
Get it right or fail forever.
Do you really think that Beck requested the extra expense of the security that was present at 8/28?
Really? No, he didn’t request the extra expense. It was imposed on him.
Your cluelessness as to reality is absolutely astounding.
WE must stay together ,or we play into the OPPONANT’s games to DIVIDE this PARTY,
WE dont want that to happen, so restaint is the NORM here.
THERE is too much at stake, and NOVEMBER is at the door,
LET’s keep our FOCUS on that most urgent matter,
Hey Bee’s
Glad you liked it…needed to lighten the room a little.
aceofwands: yes it is needed with all the hot tempers including me,
our AUTHORS comes up with wood and gasoline and know we will light it up
IN no time at all, because we all make sure we bring matches here,
we can follow the crecendo, as it reach it’s peak,
yes, your choice of music was right on the beam.
we have to admit that this crowd is super smart. the BATTLE of the WITTS
bye
Here’s another discussion that worth consideration:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245985/nine-years-9-11-clifford-d-may
@suek #180: Nice article.
@Aye Chihuahua
You’ll need to go back to school to learn to read what I have written. I sense that it will not suffice to give you quotes, and they are abundant on the Internet, of politicians suggesting that horrible things will happen if Korans are burned. You seem to ignore the fact that Obama is a politician, although a substantially weak one, but nevertheless he threatens with horrible consequences.
No epic failure there or anywhere on my part.
I’m concerned that you are one of those who would file trivial lawsuits, superfluous complaints and consider yourself a victim.
Do not detract from the basis of the debate.
threat – noun
a suggestion that something unpleasant or violent will happen, especially if a particular action or order is not followed
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/threat
And, yes security is imposed by law FOR THE PROTECTION OF THOSE IN PUBLIC EVENTS. Get it right! There is no such imposition on the church, by law.
Get it right.
Hey, I wasn’t the clueless blonde to costs of special events, AdrianS. This is enhanced further by your last comment to Aye in Comment #171. Hint… no, the “only beneficiary” to security at an event is *not* just the event organizer.
Nor is your personal guess about me correct. So you’ve got a pretty piss poor batting average so far. I’d say if your sock drawer is perfect, you should limit your future input INRE special events procedures to nothing more than sock drawers. 😉
As far as what you consider “threats”, again quite laughable. To point out consequences of an action – the same which a US general on the ground in the theatre has already seen exhibited – is not a “threat”. It is merely pointing out the repercussions of a bad decision. There has been no attempt to forcibly cease their activities other than to subject them to the usual permitting procedures that every event must meet. If they choose to ignore those procedures, and the fire departments ban on open burning, they deserve to be hauled off to jail.
If they decide to use some sort of industrial incinerator in order to comply with the laws, so be it. They’ve exercised their rights within our laws.
However the repercussions of their… and your… useless but smug satisfaction do not change whatsoever.
Nan G, I already gave you the short answer to killing “Muslims” in @my comment #135 as being considered more heinous in your view than burning Qu’rans. Perhaps it zips over your head since you equate “Muslims” with “jihadists” equally, and use those terms interchangeably. Apparently Jasser’s comment needs repeating:
Since you’re still missing the point of why it’s really beyond stupid to ostracize Muslim allies, we’ll try again…
The Iraqis and the Afghans, as well as some of the Pakistanis – all Muslims – have worked with US and NATO forces as allies to battle the portion of Islam/Muslims that have hijacked their faith in the world’s eyes. The jihadists have killed more Muslims than any of the coalition forces.
In short, not all Muslims are part of the global Islamic jihad movement, and those with which we ally are fighting those that are part of that jihad movement for their very survival.
Neither burning Qu’rans, nor protesting building of mosques no where near ground zero – and most especially not the rhetoric that encapsulates all Muslims as jihad – is helpful to enlisting intel and cooperation where it is desperately needed for the battlefields, and for our national security.
Obama’s commentary on the Qu’ran bonfire proposed differs little from Petraeus’ comment on the same. Frankly, no one can put it better than @Old Trooper 2:
It’s just four words…. mull them over a while.
@ suek, Iran pays $1,000.00 for every NATO or US Trooper killed. There is a $5,000.00 prize
for destroying an armored vehicle. They pay in cash.
(Confirmed by Reliable Classified Sources In Country)
The Pretender has no diplomatic skills or wants to “carry the big stick” so the beat goes on.
Makes you wish that We had a War Time President, doesn’t it?
@aceofwands… OMG… what a whirlwind 35 year flashback/nightmare. LOL
But hey… isn’t our wuss in chief opposed to audio torture??
I say, IRAN did not declare war but they are paying talibans to kill troops;
SO, this is an deliberate act of war, and they should be PULVERISE for spilling our blood.
A missive from JDs Bunker…
Another Point of View…
Here’s another point of view I agree with:
Muslim World Lumping Americans in Same
And something to compliment it, on the flip side of the same COIN:
You aren’t responsible for Quran burners. Don’t hold Muslims responsible for 9/11
@MataHarley #183:
The Pakistan interior minister warns (oops…in AdrianS’s filter, THREATENS) that the Koran burning may undermine Pakistan’s own efforts at counterterrorism operations and their struggles against radical Islamic fundamentalists.
They are all POS’ES
The barbecue is cancelled….
http://ww2.cox.com/myconnection/lasvegas/today/news/national/article.cox?articleId=D9I4L1CG0&moduleType=apNews
@AdrianS:
Oh, dear, sweet Adrian, Captain of the Clueless Dumb Asses….despite multiple requests you haven’t been able to provide a single shred of anything to support your arguments.
First you claimed that Obama would support Muslims if the winds turned in an ugly direction. Then, you posted the entire quote which directly disproved your own claim….duh. Fail.
You went on to continue claiming that the quote was made in his “Dreams from My Father” book when, in fact, the quote actually comes from “Audacity of Hope,” (pg 261 if you have the hard back edition.) Fail.
I told you repeatedly that you had it wrong and exhorted you to “Get it right” yet you continued down your same path. Fail.
Next you claim that Obama said in his book that the call to prayer is one of the “prettiest sounds on earth” when that quote really came from Nicholas Kristoff’s NY Times piece from March 2007. Fail.
I tried to tell you that you were wrong on that one too but you wouldn’t listen. Forever fail.
You claim that Obama cannot be a “Natural born” citizen because his father was not a US citizen. I requested that you cite the US Code section that supports your position and you instead cite Wikipedia. Epic fail.
I cited the US Code to prove my position.
You claim that those who desire to “express their views” are being threatened by “politicians (Obama and others)” yet you cannot cite a single instance in which that is true. Fail.
You post stuff that simply isn’t true. Then, when confronted with reality, you get all haughty claiming intellectual superiority which is, of course, demonstrably false and outright laughable because you have no facts to back up anything you have said.
Sux to be you, eh?
Now, in your most recent screed, you claim:
So, your claim is that churches are exempted from the imposition of security and the associated costs for public events?
Is that right?
If that is true [snicker], then please cite the specific section of the US Code or FL State law which gives that exemption.
Edumakate me.
I’m sure, since all of your other claims have proven to be nothing more than useless bit and bytes that this one will be no different than the others…but just for fun give it a
whirl O Wise One.
Get it right or fail forever.
Trump Offers to Buy Out Mosque Investor
Billionaire offers to buy out one of the investors in the real estate partnership that controls the site near Ground Zero where a Muslim group wants to build mosque.
“Trump also attached a condition to his offer: He said that as part of the deal, the backers of the mosque project would need to promise that any new mosque they constructed would be at least five miles farther away from the World Trade Center site.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/09/trump-offers-buy-investor-ground-zero-mosque-site/
@ Wordsmith, I could trust any info from the PAK ISI about as far as I could throw a grenade.
Any cooperation from Pakistan was disingenuous at best and cost too much. 😉
Trust me on that.
MataHarley, and post 183:
I am glad to hear the minister canceled his koran burning.
My point has been we have as much right to do unwise things as the GZ mosque imam.
That our political leaders should have butted out, they are guilty of far worse incitement by killing Muslims.
It always was UNWISE to burn korans.
And I do know there are many, many Muslims here and abroad who are opposed to violent jihad as the way to expand Islam in the earth.
I wish there were some way to focus all jihadists on their own differences (and there are many differences among violent jihadists) and let the rest of the world (Muslim and all the rest) get on with peaceful living, but that doesn’t seem in the cards.
When Zawahiri was killing fellow Muslims of the ”other” sect in Iraq he got a rather powerful letter from al Qaeda’s Zarkawi.
He was reminded they could ”clean house later,” but, for now, should focus on murdering the Infidels, i.e. Americans.
@Aye Chihuahua #191
I like that remark, so here goes:
Higher Intellect means nothing to you. Replies go zipping past and above your head by at least 5 miles.
I am NOT your teacher. There is enough in what I have written (and your favorite flavor Google) to clarify all that you request. But I suppose that is too much for you to seek and find.
Stick with the discussion and the facts, for your failure is not my responsibility.
1. Obama is a Muslim. Born to a Muslim, he inherited that religion. He currently does not attend church and the one he attended for almost twenty years with Rev. Wright was a hoax, an enemy to America. He’s the one who said: “God d*mn America.” Rev. Wright by the way was (is) also a Muslim.
2. Obama is NOT qualified to be “president”. He is a usurper. The framers of our Constitution (the law of laws) said, “Let’s not have just a citizen for president, let’s have an individual who is born of parents who are both citizens and who owes 100% faith, allegiance, and fidelity to the United States of America.” Read up on this. Impress yourself.
3. The church in FL, not all churches, was to hold a Koran burning. Now the pastor of the church has thrown down the gauntlet at the feet of the imam who wanted to build a mosque at ground zero. Too much heat for the imam, too. And Donald Trump has graciously offered to buy out a major investor to prevent the building of that mosque and quell the argument and its disapproval of it by almost 70% of New Yorkers and almost all Americans.
4. For your information, what is codified in the Constitution need not appear in your local US Code. The Supreme Court is constantly interpreting what is in the Constitution; the law.
5. You obviously cannot read because you say, “your claim is that churches are exempted”, I said no such thing. I was referring to “the church” in question. You’ll need to learn to read as well.
Get it right or fail forever. Au revoir.
@AdrianS:
I knew the answers to the questions before I ever posed them to you.
I knew that you didn’t have the chutzpah or the stonz to actually try and answer the questions or defend your positions in the face of withering evidence to the contrary.
I knew from the beginning that you were full of 100% unadulterated dog squeeze and that you would never be able to cite a single source which agrees with you.
Thanks for proving, that once again, I was correct.
Now that you’ve been worn down to a bloody stump, feel free to run away.
Is it possible that this “whacko” Christian minister has rendered this whole hubbub moot? Has he done, by calling the islamists bluff what no other policitian or “leader” has been able to do? By not kowtowing to the radical islamists and pressure from the appeasers, has he shown by his actions that it is possible to beat them at their own game?
It seems that God and the First Amendment work in mysterious ways.
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I am so happy the DONALD TRUMP did not disappoint me by closing this issue,
I knew only him could do that, closing harmoniuously such a deal on both edges,
that’s the class he has.
and PASTOR JONES had a role to play also very important, thank you.
@Aye Chihuahua #196
Childish.
Childish. Grade school rants.
Reading your writing is like listening to someone talk to themselves. But so be it. You have that right.
I guess you’ll get it right, eventually.
>>I cited the US Code to prove my position.>>
Yes indeedy. _Current_ law. How about the US Code from 1961, when Obama was born, and which would be the law in effect when he was born? I don’t believe any laws since then have been made retroactive.
And no…I don’t have a link. I may find one, but I don’t have one at the moment.
You know – all of this could be settled so easily by submitting the necessary documents to a court of law…why do you suppose Obama has enacted an executive order (his very first act as president) and paid lawyers so much to keep it _out_ of court? I mean – aside from any theories about where etc?
@AdrianS:
Still no facts to support your endless drivel?
Didn’t think so.
RIDE A PALE HORSE: I just empty my color carthridge, I would have like so much to print that one, I like it very much. bye
WOW a lot of responses to this crap…Perhaps folks are missing the point.
When a danish cartoonist pens a Muhammad the result is violence, death and mayhem across the globe. When a network plans to use the image of Muhammad in a cartoon, they receive death threats and we see images of protests across the globe. Any incident where someone speaks out against that violence we hear “Hate speech” “Islamaphobia” and many other labels.
When splodeys go off and kill Jews or Americans crickets chirp, When flags or bibles are burned, crickets chirp, when our leaders are burned in effigy crickets chirp, when planes fly into our buildings 9 years later a mosque is planned in the same area.
Weather or not the burning of the Koran is right, it shows the battle we are fighting. The Pastor decides to NOT burn the Koran, will there be a “Thank you” Will there be celebration in the streets? Will violence from Islam stop? will our soldiers no longer be targets? Will the Mosque still be built? What changed? NOTHING.
My suggestion is that EVERY TRUE BLOODED AMERICAN, go out and buy a Koran. Hold on to it, and the minute hammer meets nail on the construction of the mosque we have a bonfire. We need to hold them to the same standards they set for us. Tolerance is a two way street.
Will burning the Koran solve anything? NOPE. But we have been PC for 30 years, hows it helping?
RIDE a PALE HORSE: I forgot to mention, that YOU have a clue there, very possibly done. bye
@Robert #203
That’s the spirit of freedom. That’s the spirit of America. Coming alive again. Yes, sir.
God Bless America.
@Aye Chihuahua
Is it I don’t think so … much? Or, I don’t think so … often. Maybe, I don’t think so … clearly. Or just, I don’t think … so there.
Childish.
Facts are there. Links are there. Islam is NOT a religion. Read ’em and learn. Ignorance is not always bliss. They fooled you.
Get it right or fail forever.