We are a week into Ramadan; yet what Americans are unaware of amidst all this hype and hysteria about the potential for a 13 story community center (with a mosque) conceived by Muslims, being built 2 blocks away from Ground Zero as opposed to 10 blocks away (which is about how far away Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has been holding congregations for years, serving the community of Lower Manhattan for 27 yrs), is that Ground Zero has been invaded by symbolic flags of Islamic conquest for years, now:
: Halal food carts spotted ON Ground Zero!
A reader writes in to sound the alarm about another sacrilege that we’ve all somehow overlooked:
One thing I haven’t seen anyone write about is the presence of Muslim food carts MUCH closer to Ground Zero. There are at least two, depending on the time of day, along West Broadway between Vesey and Park Place. One is practically on top of the Ground Zero construction site, outside the Path station. Aren’t they an “affront,” a “provocation”? Muslims engaging in in-your-face commerce on sacred ground, with the word HALAL prominently displayed on their carts! Where’s Palin when we need her??
This is an outrage! It’s a slap in the face to all Americans. Would we have let udon noodle stands open shop at Pearl Harbor? Or allow sushi to be served aboard the USS Nevada just 9 years after the day that lives on in infamy?
Why isn’t this “creeping diarrhea” making frontpage headline news?! I am so sick of the media bias!
Granted, they most likely have the proper mobile food vendor’s license, and aren’t breaking any laws (Can we get some lawyers on this, right away, just to be sure? Perhaps find a loophole…). So we are appealing to Muslim food peddlers’ sensitivities here and demand: Go peddle the halal somewhere else. It is inappropriate and distasteful.
Especially during the month of Ramadan.
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
Of course, this “Islamization” of America’s food isn’t limited to Ground Zero. This takeover is happening all across the country!
Stop the Islamization of American food!
Ramadan…no wonder the BLT taste so damn good this time of year…
I am sure you guys really believe in this . . . what is it that liberals do so well – moral equivalence.
Nice try. The more you write the more ignorant you appear.
Unfortunately, it is legal. We can all do what you are doing and let others know what it is. I just found out from your post. If I see the word “halal” I will know not to give them my business, just like I don’t give China any more of my business than I have to.
I’ll say what I said in my post. Some people have a difficult time discerning eating food from practicing religion.
Having spent a lot of time in the Middle East, I will eat Halal as often as I can find it. I love it and also Kosher food I had in Israel.
Seems some people do not understand clearly what I am writing. In previous comments, I compared the extremist writings with that of the National Socialist writing of WWII. If documents are written as principles of a group of people, then I suggested strongly that one must believe the documents ARE the principles of that group. The Nazis stated clearly their intentions. Only a small group of “fear mongers and alamists” pointed this reality out. Over 95% of the population of Europe refused to heed the warnings.
And so it goes with what is happening among our fellow liberal citizens. To warn about the writings and the documents in front of one’s face which are easily accessible to anyone who looks is to be a racist. History speaks clearly about how Islam interacts with infidels. TRUE ISLAM cannot, will not coexist with another religion in a peaceful manner. The moderates of Islam are silent for one of two reasons – fear of reprisals or sympathy and support for what is happening. Either way the truth is not pretty.
My comment about the sarcastic blog above was a slam to the writer of the blog who was trying to play the moral equivalence card as if one is equal to the other. If one thinks the Muslim mosque is inappropriate, then phoney logic would mean that eating or selling Muslim food would also be inappropriate. You insult us with such sarcasm.
No one that I know of would say that the Muslims do not have a right to build a mosque wherever they see fit according to local laws. Freedom comes with responsibilities and IMHO, these Muslims who are pushing this center, have refused to accept these responsibilities. Follow the money trail and what has been documented about the person pushing this center. Tolerance is not the name of the game.
If the majority of people in the area believe such a mosque is inappropriate for whatever reason, then in the name of tolerance (which historical Islam does not have) these Muslims should not be intolerant to these peoples wishes in order to exercise their rights to build and worship. I would be completely in support of such a center if there were places for Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and Jews to worship alongside Muslims. How do you spell FAT CHANCE. It is phoney and has nothing to do with inter-religious tolerance. Follow the money and read the writings of those who would build such a place.
The initiator of this thread seems to be hell bent on being the voice of Islam on this site. An apparent attempt to goad people into conflict. He just can’t seem to let it go.
The author of this blog is not attempting the evil he is being accused of, very sad form of debate and I know you all are better than that.
We did not write the blog but simply responded to a sarcastic attack using moral equivalency as a means to get his very obvious message across. Dare voice disagreement with his views with honestly held reasons and logic and be sarcastically accused of also being against selling Muslim food at the questioned location. This is a very liberal style of attack and it is I who thought this site was better than that. Not a person I know would dare make such a dumb attempt at sarcasm.
I say leave it alone once and for all. I, for one, am totally convinced the whole mosque thing is a sham just as the Flight 93 memorial is a sham. This is exactly how followers of true Islam proceed IMHO.
Germany recently closed a mosque because it was used for Jihadist activity:
They have apparently not shut down any pushcarts.
All this post does is make clear that it is not Muslims themselves that are objectionable.
Thanks for the opportunity to clear the air.
Rauf won’t answer his phone any more. He won’t answer questions. Perhaps if he thew open the door and opened his books to allow all to see how this mosque is being financed many people would feel better. The silence and secrecy only adds to the mystery.
This is a spoof post, right?
Yes, Granny.
@CHill:
Jesus Christ…relax! This was tongue-in-cheek humor.
Maybe none you know personally. But wake up and smell the qahwa.
That’s been covered pretty extensively by Mata.
Throw a temper tandrum loud enough and even they might be capable of appeasement.
The man has a 27 year history of interfaith dialogue. He is supported by rabbis and priests who know him and have worked with him. The center is more than just “a mosque” and if it gets built, will be open to those of all faiths:
CHill writes:
We have been.
@Donald Bly:
You must have the initiator of this thread confused with Dr. John and Mike’s America.
But sure, the initiator of this thread is posting his opinions simply to “goad people into conflict”.
Missy, thanks for #8.
@drjohn #10:
I covered that one, remember?
Seems to me that this issue comes down to two things: rights and politics.
The (proposed) builders rightfully own the property and are American citizens. To that end, in my opinion, it is dangerous for our government (federal, state or local) to infringe on their right to do with that property whatever they like. Such an act would set a precedent for property rights of other Americans to be similarly infringed whenever the government decided their planned building was distasteful.
Politically, this is undeniably a slap in the face and an insensitive place to build a mosque. If the builders were genuinely interested in “bridge-building” (Rauf’s words), they would see that this plan to build a mosque in this location is inciting more angst than unity. If their goal was sincerely to bring people together, they would do it somewhere else.
In my opinion, while I find the idea of a mosque near ground zero to be very offensive, it should not be the government that prevents it from being built. Given how much traction the public outcry against this building has already gotten, for the planners/builders to go through with it will surely expose their agenda for what it is: a symbol of conquest and indifference to the American people they claim they wish to endear themselves to.
@drjohn:
Unfortunately, there are comments posted all over this blog that are making the exact opposite point:
There are those here who have stated unequivocally that all Muslims are the same and that, by extension, all mosques are the same.
Shameful broad brush swiping is what it is.
Absolutely shameful.
Strangely, the number of people here who are willing to stand against such bigotry and stereotyping is very slim.
This is not the first time a religion has been targeted for extermination in our country.
@Word
Sure I do. It’s recall provided a little background for the contrast.
Wordsmith,
This is a little off topic, but I am working on the homework assignment you gave me in a previous thread. Here is an answer I received from Investor’s Business Daily regarding a poll conducted by IBD/Tipp concerning the attitudes of Muslims worldwide on the subject of the use of terror.
I rest my case… since the “initiator” of this thread openly admits it is an effort to goad the readers into conflict.
From Wordsmith’s Post #13
There are plenty of other topics we could spend time discussing/debating, I wonder to what end is the purposeful use of this blog to create conflict amongst the readers.
According to Bloviating Zepplelin’s blog this AM, it appears that public pressure has the muslim world rethinking about building the GZM. Going to move to another site in a gesture of reconcilation.
David Paterson offered an alternative site and was refused.
@Wordsmith,
If no one gets your attempt at humor, maybe it wasn’t funny. Maybe people don’t need to “lighten up”, maybe you just weren’t funny. If the writer has to explain the humorous/sarcastic post it’s poor writing, not poor reading.
Skat, I have to agree. Truthfully, I at first thought the site had been hacked by some lunatic leftie until I recognized the name of the author.
Quick note:
The blog author shows his “halal food cart” article as being filed under “HUMOR”.
It’s really OK to sell foreign food at Ground Zero. Falafel is non-denominational. Also, tasty.
@A_Nonny_Mouse, Granny,
A blog tag of “humor” shows the author’s intention, but it doesn’t mean readers will actually get his sarcasm. I doubt many people read the tags before reading the post. Even if they do they still may not think it’s funny. I know I didn’t/don’t. The poster’s moniker is “wordsmith” which infers real writing/communication excellence – this fell flat.
As an aside, as a Christian I take offense at Christ’s name being used profanely.
@Chill,
Thumbs up!
Now, take this statement… and think about us normal Freedom loving Whitebread Americans… and understand that WE see this mosque as part of the creeping attack of the stealth Jihad…
Kind of puts this in a bit different perspective…
@Aye Chihuahua: I have said for some time that Islam should be declared a terrorist organization. There are only two things I need to know about the Koran to base my decision:
(1) Muslims are REQUIRED to kill or convert the world. If they can’t convert me, they are REQUIRED to kill me.
(2) If anyone leaves the Muslim religion, they are to be killed.
Try again to convince me that this isn’t a terrorist organization.
The countries who are mostly Muslim have areas that infidels are not allowed because we are considered worse than the sweat off of a pig, and a pig is their most unholy critter.
What we should do in Iraq and Afghanistan is spray water with pig blood in it over enemy territory on a regular basis to match how long it takes a Muslim to cleans themselves after toughing any part of a pig. They believe that if they die while “unclean” that they won’t go to heaven and get their 72 virgins. Keep them unclean and they won’t dare fight until they are clean.
I remember one story where one country returned the body of one of the Muslims in the skin of a pig. This meant he couldn’t go to heaven because he was “unclean” and would go the other way.
Even these Moslems, you ignorant fool?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/27/time-to-take-sides/
And your last little historical story was never true, but was used to motivate Jihadist killers.
You and your idiot-ilk are giving ammo to the Islamics. Those who are working to do EXACTLY what Jews and Christians did with their horrific biblical entries are NOT helped by the likes of you. Wanna see my big ol list of hateful crap in the Bible? I gotta LOT of em.
Can you say A B R O G A T E ? Google it.
You know NOTHING about Islam, nor the struggle going on within it to modernize and counter those who continue to preach hate. The battle lines of which are right here in America.
You (and millions of others) need to educate yourselves, or you are doing nothing but helping the radicals with your ignorant rantings; “See! They hate you!” is the cry of the day, and their bullying continues unabated.
There are indeed Wahib-based Imams running too many Mosques in this country, (and within the government itself) and until you know who the players are, you would help most by shutting up, and getting out of the way.
When and IF you ever grab a hold of your senses, and wish to actually LEARN something about this titanic struggle, just ask.
Some of us actually read/ask/learn.
FWIW
http://planet-iran.com/index.php/news/19414/comment-page-1
@Susiepuma
That’s a good site for people to bookmark. Not only for timely news, but for Persian/Iranian history as well.
@Patvann: @Patvann: If there are peace loving Muslims, they should branch off from the radical Muslims and form their own sect. They would have to declare they do not have the “convert or kill” mentality, that anyone can leave their sect without being killed, that non-Muslims are not infidels, that there is no such thing as “honor killings” in their sect, that men and women are equal, they let us into their places of worship without having to join their sect first, and their women can dress they way they want, then I will believe that that sect is at least trying to look like a peace loving religion.
Until that time, they are still terrorists who want to kill me. Someone who is a member of the Hell’s Angels, but doesn’t like some of the things they do, is still a Hell’s Angels.
People like you who say the Muslim religion is OK are like the people in some scary movies who see nothing wrong with someone or critter even though everyone else does. Later on the person or critter kills or eats that individual. Maybe when you see their open jaws coming at you, you will see them for what they are. Just like the movies, it will probably be too late. But, at least you knew them for what they are before you died.
You better run!
Here comes the scary Moslem monster!!!!
http://guyism.com/2010/08/miss-usa-rima-fakih.html
But But But ALL MOSLEM’S WEAR BURKHA’S!!!
And don’t ever respond to me unless you’ve actually read what I’ve posted and/or linked to…unless you actually DO enjoy looking like a ignorant hateful asshat.
Please check out Breitbart’s Big Peace for the article by Christine Brim titled “Ground Zero Mosque’s Hidden Websites: Follow the Shariah”. It tells how many years this has been in the planning, by whom, and it’s purpose for the extra floors to be added on, which is to INSTITUTIONALIZE SHARIAH IN AMERICA!!!
@Donald Bly #19,
Whatever the purpose behind creating conflict, it seems to have led to calling Smorgasbord an idiot who knows nothing about Islam – unlike the extremely knowledgeable Patvann! I may not agree with all of his statements, but certainly many of Smorgasbord’s ideas are backed by Andy McCarthy @ NRO – apparently another no nothing would doesn’t want to educate himself about Islam.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243899/tolerant-pose-andrew-c-mccarthy
“In the United States, there is no threat to religious liberty . . . except where there are high concentrations of Muslims. Not high concentrations of al-Qaeda sympathizers — high concentrations of Muslims.”
Oh, that we could ALL be as intelligent and knowledgeable as Patvann! Maybe Patvann can start tutoring Andy McCarthy!
@Smorgasbord – You might enjoy Andy’s viewpoint if you haven’t already read it.
susiepuma; hi, next time you go to MCDONALD, try to say as fast as you can,
I want a DITANGGUNG HALAL wraped up” .bye
with a poker face
@silvernana: Whenever you want someone to go to a link, just copy-and-paste it into your comment like this: http://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2010/08/17/ground-zero-mosques-hidden-websites-follow-the-shariah/
It will automatically turn to a direct link to click and and take you there.
There are deep seated viewpoints on this topic. Wordsmith doesn’t want to inflame Muslim sentiment against America yet makes a habit of continually creating threads that inflame the sensibilities of a large portion of the FA readership. This is creating an animosity amongst individuals that otherwise agree on 99.9% of issues.
With 77 days left to rally the troops to deal a crippling blow to the progressive/socialist agenda, dividing our ranks by constantly foisting this subject to the forefront is counterproductive. If we don’t focus on the task at hand, worrying about radical Islam or even moderate Islam will be immaterial because we’ll be too focused on getting ourselves fitted for a new set of Mao Pajamas with an Obama Icon on one sleeve and a Hammer and Sickle on the the other.
Wordsmith: Do us all a favor and drop the subject… at least until after Nov 2nd. and then if you still need to get the last word in, you, as an official author on this site will have ample opportunity to stoke the fires of dissension.
I’m sorry… but who began the mosque debate again, Donald Bly? And who actually kept inflaming it when the debate wasn’t an echo chamber?
And who is the latest one trick monkey?
Hint… wasn’t Wordsmith. Wasn’t me, since I’ve never created one post on it. Aye’s created only one himself… the comic aspect version.
INRE dropping the subject. Dang… wanted this done from the onset because it’s not going to come out well. But with GOP candidates in their local districts, now using opposing their local mosques (i.e. NOT at ground zero) as a campaign point, the GOP has sealed their fate on this as an issue.
In other words, your request comes too little, too late. Damage is done.
@skat: @skat: I ain’t no idiot, but I do confes to bein reel ignorunt in a hole lot of aireas. Islam is one of um. All I need to no bout it is, convurt or kill, leve it and ya shud be killed, and women are jest a pece of property to be used and killed at the will of men. No further lurnin neded.
I read the article earlier. I had forgotten that I can’t go on certain Muslim property because I am unclean. I will cry myself to sleep for a long time over that.
Gee Mata… who the hells name is at the top of this thread as the author… Let me give you a great big clue just in case your cataracts are interfering with your vision…..
WORDSMITH – Doh!
You make it sound like opposing the mosque being built there is a bad thing for the GOP.. well guess again, it isn’t. If you think losing the Muslim voters in this country is a big deal… you’re absolutely mistaken.
Errr…far be it from me to be a contrarian 😉 but do I hear someone trying to push the barn door closed?
I cannot fathom how some claim to believe in the Constitution and yet defend Islam and the building of this mosque? This is like Nazis are bad but Hitler is a righteous dude and I am inviting him over for dinner. Islam strips away all the rights, privileges and freedoms enumerated in the Constitution. Rather than welcome it, we should be doing everything to kill off the vile beast. We already accept that the KKK is evil, as are the Nazis; now Islam should finally take it’s place along side those ideologies.
SMORGASBORD: ULTRA funny, you should have your own show on FOX, bye
Then perhaps, CHill, you should “get out more” on the internet. First of all, the Muslim have the right to build Cordoba House according to local laws. That isn’t sitting well. Understandable. But it’s not just Cordoba House, as the local favorite conservative pundits like to say.
How about TN, WI and Temecula, CA… places no where near ground zero?
How about the Staten Island mosque they stopped, another Geller moment of triumph, and again no where near ground zero?
Or how about NJ, GA and Morada, CA… not to mention Switzerland and other Euro nations?
I’d say most of us recognize the conflict with Cordoba House. This does not adequately dismiss the other locations where mosques are under assault, when there is no conflict with 911 attacks.
Apparently my cataracts are far superior to your selective, senile memory, Donald Bly
Mike’s America – 4 posts
drjohn reader posts – 5 posts and one waiting in the wings
Wordsmith – 4 posts (except for funnies, which you all changed to a mosque post, and his joke “drawing” in response to your taunt INRE “fear”)
Curt – 1 post
Aye – 1 post
This makes for 9 + 1 (pending, which he’s triumphantly announced as coming soon) serious anti-Islam/mosque/Rauf posts by Mike’sA and Drjohn to Wordsmith’s 4 posts in counter. Curt’s post was neutral since it was about “evidence” that he put a question mark about as true. Aye’s was pure comic relief.
What was your senile point again about who isn’t letting it go?
@Donald Bly #19:
I was being sarcastic. 😉
It would have been nice if we could have had a civil debate, minus the condescension; minus the lecturing; minus the personal insults. But the tone was set early on and only degenerated from there. Tried to apologize to Mike. He himself didn’t own up to his own contribution to ad hominems, ridicule, and snide remarks. Even apologized to you (don’t remember you responding, so don’t know if you saw it or even cared).
Donald, my purpose isn’t to inflame readers and create a conservative eat conservative civil war. I just wanted to provide an alternative look at a situation, rather than fall in lockstep with an amen chorus, intolerant of anyone straying the path and challenging the majority view.
@Donald Bly #37:
I’m not the one always trying to get the last word in. I have trouble enough as it is finding the time and energy to respond to the onslaught of angry commenters, as well as debate to those who wish to engage in it, rather than simple name-calling and insults. It takes two to tango, and you’ve been a more than willing dance partner.
But I have weighed in the consideration of Nov 2nd, and would have loved to have refrained. But this is like asking me to look away when I see my friends doing something I consider to be wrong and harmful.
Unfortunately, even though only about 19% of the country is paying attention to the story, it’s not going away, but is only heating up; especially after President Obama finally weighed in. It’s now entered the public mainstream. So should we ignore the news, or provide commentary on it? As far as I can tell, Dr. John’s done as much as I have to keep the issue alive on FA (and Mike before that, early on). My previous one took on a more neutral position, mostly to report what was news worthy- Obama commenting, finally.
Polling indicates majority Americans are opposed to the GZM. In the short term, this might not be a political loser for the GOP. But I fear the long term consequences; and I don’t see the opposition as being in the right on the issue. I acknowledge that there are thoughtful, intelligent, non-bigoted people who disagree with me. But along with that, we get comments like #42, #27, and aye’s list in #16. Whenever it’s pointed out, with rare exception do I see any of those who oppose the GZM call out bigotry for what it is and distance yourselves from the rhetoric. Of course, you yourself are in agreement in regards to Islam being a “gutter” “religion”. None of us has to like Islam. But to take on this conspiratorial belief that all Muslims are being commanded to kill or convert and that Islam itself is the enemy….this becomes an automatic win for the global jihad movement, and we become pawns in al Qaeda’s master plan. They themselves failed to convince the Muslim world to rally to their side. Yet you’d never know it from listening to the conservative din on Islam.
Opposing mosques being built everywhere, no where near ground zero, is just the fodder the lib/progs need to paint the tea party and conservative leaders (i.e. Newt, and now the revered Pamela Geller) as bigots. Congrats….
Need clarification? See @my links above to CHill. You think this is good?
… pardon me, but *you’re* mistaken.
@skat #25:
Geez…cripes!
I appreciate that there are no Christian radicals who will be issuing a fatwa for my head.
That said, if a non-radical Muslim takes offense and peacefully protests…say…Danish cartoons as opposed to engagement in violent rioting, would you be sympathetic and respectful of his belief in the Prophet Mohammad as opposed to, say, bin Laden’s belief in Mohammad?
You two can have your “last word”. My request was to focus on other issues… apparently that isn’t going to happen as long as these threads keep getting created to fan the fire. It’s your blog, I’m simply a guest here so i will acquiesce to your wisdom and spend my time elsewhere trying to get conservatives elected to office.
Andy and I have had numerous exchanges, and in every case of nuanced departure, I have gotten the upper hand. I am a big fan, and own all his books. It’s obvious that most of you have never heard of him before today. If you had, you would have remembered this from one of his recent columns:
This is primarily because unlike some of you, he never tried to put words/deeds into my mouth, and spent the time to READ what I wrote him, and his words; I never miss an article.
He, (and the rest of you) are 100% correct that Islam AS A HISTORIC WHOLE is exactly what you (and I, and Andy) say it is. 30 years of research and study made that one of the easy first-lessons…
When we’ve discussed the budding abrogation movement that is happening here and elsewhere, and he and I came to 100% agreement, that these folks must be supported, and that whole-sale bigotry against 1.2 billion human beings is 100% wrong. some of you loudly disagree with that premise. To those, I will now more loudly exclaim; “You hateful IDIOTS!!!”
I don’t think but 3 or 4 of you have truly bothered to look into what I’ve wrote, to get my “feeling” about this particular Mosque, it’s backers, and the constitutional constraints put upon us by those we all revere. To those people, I will break it down into simple terms;
Proposed Mosque: Bad form, bad manners, bad place. Last place one should be, even if the Mosque is deleted from the plans.
Mosque backers: Liars, apologist’s, and suspicious. Never trusted Rauf at all.
First amendment: The most important one we have. Works well in both directions. More powerful than Islam.
I fear no counter-posit by anyone in this regard, Andy included, and I will fight to my last breath against those who espouse bigotry and cant….Be they Moslem, or be they fellow TeaPartiers.
I’ll make this my last words on the topic, unless one would like to learn, rather than emote.
Donald, we would like what you want as well- getting conservatives elected into office. Not sure that Mata and I agree that the majority conservative stance on this issue is a clear political winner. But politics aside, I think she and I take the position we do because we feel that it is the right thing.
This isn’t about “getting in the last word”. I don’t see how you think Mata, myself, Aye, Patvann…any of us who express a different voice from yours is “fanning the fire” and extending the debate. I suppose it’d be easier if FA were merely an echo chamber of amen choir boys and gals.
I think that’s fortunately not the case.