Another by-product of the Obama nanny government. The city of Pasadena in California is exploring the possibility to ban a legal substance inside your home:
City council members will consider next month the possibility of an outright ban on smoking in city limits.
On Monday, the council’s Public Safety Committee discussed a long-proposed ban on smoking in apartment buildings, and Councilman Steve Haderlein asked the staff to find out whether the city has the legal authority to put a full smoking ban into place.
Pasadena passed a ban on outdoor smoking in most public areas in 2008, and at the time pledged to consider the apartment restrictions within the next year.
Haderlein, who is the chair of the committee, said he wasn’t sure he would support an outright ban, but said he would like to know if it is an option.
“Something that broad and dramatic, we’d really have to go to our citizens and see if it is what they wanted,” said Haderlein.
Not a smoker and I sure don’t enjoy it when someone smokes near me but I never agreed that the government should tell a business owner that they need to ban it but this? Complete insanity.
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TWO WORDS for any clown coming into MY home to tell me I’m NOT permitted to smoke–BE CAREFUL!!!
ONE WORD for any clown coming into MY home to tell me I’m NOT permitted to smoke: DON’T!
OLDPUPYMAX just teasing now ;stop smoking ;
STEVECAN just teasing now ;stop smoking; bye
Does this officially make us a third world totalitarian state?
How is that ‘legalization of pot’ going to work in California? ‘you can have it, but not smoke it??!!”
What about medical tobacco?
What a mess, they are also talking about sectioning off apartments for smokers and non-smokers, it would be like a huge Chinese fire drill on moving day.
And, they don’t even know how they can enforce it:
Would like to know if it is an option?
Someone needs to send this bozo a copy of the constitution and someone to explain to him what it means.
I loved smoking, I had to quit due to health problems. I will defend anyone’s right to smoke, but don’t do it near me because I will strangle you just because I can not.
But, to the situation at hand, these people want to abort babies and ban smoking? Will that ban include weed?
It may be time to start putting people out of our misery.
FIVE WORDS FOR ANYONE STUPID ENOUGH TO SMOKE,THE FOULEST HABIT IMAGINABLE.
YOU ARE AN UNDISCIPLINED FOOL
Hey Rich,.
Ever learn how to type? Undisciplined fools typically can’t figure out the shift keys.
If I want to put smoke into my body inside of my home then that is my decision. In addition, undisciplined fools typically can not understand the constitution and the bill of rights.
It’s really smart telling the world that buildings are so shabby that cooking, toilet, smoke, and fire can easily spread throug Pasadena’s buildings. No wonder smoking has to be banned in them.
pb You said you quit smoking.You’re lucky.I’ve watched two people I loved suffer slow painful deaths from emphysema.It affected my kids.It could have been prevented.Help is there for those who want it.People have a right to kill themselves but this is a hell of a way to go. Love the Constitution and the Bill of Rights which along with Civil Rights Acts has continually empowered more and more of our citizenry.
The way it was explained to me, was that the country was tilted and everything loose rolled into California!
Rich, I work in an ER, and I KNOW that smoking is one of the worst things you can do to your health, but so is skydiving, if the parachute doesn’t open, or you eat too much mayo with a hot pastrami on thick slices of carb-laden bread, leading to clogged arteries. Do we ban skydiving and pastrami or mayo or bread?
Where does it end?
So yeah, keep the cigs away from me, I wholly agree, but you wanta go smoke at home, enjoy! It’s YOUR life, just as it’s mine and I’ll savor the pastrami (no, I don’t use mayo, it’s weird on hot pastrami) to the last clinging shred of beef fat.
So Curt… since this is a clusterf*#k in enforcement, I’m guessing it’s really about revenue. Have you explored the monetary penalties for being a misdeamor smoker??
@rich wheeler: you bozo… that was four words….”THE FOULEST HABIT IMAGINABLE”.
As far as your secondary sentence/paragraph, it’s in keeping with your usual style of commentary, pretty foul and judgmental on it’s own.
Not really because they are still exploring these laws. Nothing on the books yet and I can’t imagine they would actually pull the trigger on this. Although, this is The Socialist State of Kalifornia so you never know. The mind boggles on the ignorance of these people.
One thing I might look into is if the existing law on the books about smoking in Pasadena is being enforced. I can’t imagine there are many tickets given out.
MAURY pastrami is delicious with mustard on rye bread bye…PB i never learned to type forgive me for my mistake on stickey keys sometimes,bye
If your arteries are getting clogged may I recommend copious amounts of salt be added to your diet, thus increasing your blood pressure sufficiently to get your blood squirting by those clogs!
If you are on a salt free diet, then you can effect the same blood pressure increase by watching 24 straight hours of Obama speeches.
My cousin-born and raise in California then moved to another state-returned to California for a visit; she was saddened to see at what a garbage pit has become of California.
Californians, whether you smoke or not, the fact is you live in an Environmentalist-made sewer full of crap so SHUT UP ABOUT THE LECTURES OF HEALTHY LIVING.
mh I’ll amend my 5 word statement to smokers ” You are an undisciplined fool if you don’t do everything you can to stop.”If not for yourself then for those who love you.I realize this is not the proper forum for this so apologize if i offended anyone and i will say no more.
Thank you for advising me how effed up my own town is. I will have to read our communist free paper, The Pasadena Weekly, for more perspective.
There are plenty of lefties here, but also many normal clear-thinking people as well. I really doubt this would actually pass, at least not without a lot of dissent.
Hmmm, maybe they could go more private property rights and allow OWNERS of apartment buildings to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their buildings? Sorry but if you are renting an apartment you are not in your own home and the landlord should have the right to say yay or nay something that affects the property value. But the city/state should stay the hell out of it.
TERESAV how could indoor smoking affect the property? the owner just have to put a clause for the tenant to repaint the walls after whaching them before they leave or be responsible to pay thoses expanses,bye
rich, take your opinions and put them where i can’t see them. i don’t care for smoking either however smoke nazis irritate me more.
Banning smoking in private propperty will only build a foundation that encourages the State Government to set up bans on anything that is not “endorsed by the State” such as Entertainment mediums, Education programs, various foods and diets (which would prove lethal to people with certain disablities), political practices, and speech.
What disturbs me most is the hypocritical situation of California, it is getting to become illegal to smoke Tabacco but it is becoming legal to smoke Weed. Let me get this right:
It is illegal to smoke something that doesn’t intoxicate an individiual to the point of inhibited from operating propperly.
It is legal to smoke something that intoxicates someone to the point they pose a lethal threat to others on the road and workplace?
I used to work with a man who loved his Weed, and he was classified with a “ramp access” pass for the boneyards for my workplace. This ment he would have to drive an 10,000 ton or 40,000 ton classed forklift/cargolift on active runways. In a stoned stupor he had piledrived the 40,000 ton forklift into unloaded fuel truck wedging the forks into the driver’s cab of the truck. If anyone was in the cab, they would have been killed. He’s comments: “I thought I was picking up a hammer dye.” He didn’t stay for long.
Anecdotally… I’ve been around individuals that have smoked weed daily and never had an accident of any kind, on the other hand I’ve seen stone cold sober individuals that have never touched an intoxicant of any sort that were walking catastrophies.
The bottom line. The government should not be involved in telling individuals what they can or cannot ingest into their bodies, in their own homes, regardless of how damaging the substance might be to their health.
DONALD i agree for sure can you see the police ring your door to check if someone is smoking? it’s enouph for starting a riot ,bye
Ilovebeeswarzone
The problem with smoking in apartment houses is that a lot of people smoke in bed. If they fall asleep (and many of them do) it could cause a fire. Not only could lives be lost in a fire but the damage to the apartment building will be great even if the fire is contained to only one apartment. Possibly lost lives and definitely lost revenue.
I do not allow anyone to smoke in my house. Mainly because of health problems but also worry about the situation I mentioned above. I smoked three packs a day for 20 years and had an acute heart attack for my pains. I still continued to smoke for four more years even though it was dangerous. I understand about smoing but I will say if you can quit, do so to save your life. It was a miracle I survived.
That being said, the government on any level does not have the right to tell anyone what they can do period as long as it is legal. Our government was set up so the people ruled. The liberals have fought against that for decades and won a great deal. This is just another milestone closer to their goal of complete subjugation.
BARBARAS hi,i sure agree on the danger of smokig in bed the worse thing to do and if you rent an apartment the landlord is the one to choose who will live in his block,but to make it general is impossible to do also bye
I smoked over 2 packs a day for over 50 years. I quit a little over 2 years ago. If someone wants to smoke on their private property, let them do it. It is not the responsiblity of the government to forbid ANYONE to smoke in their own homes. That being said, isn’t CA the same state that wants to ban cursing? The land of fruits and nuts (I know, I lived there for over 40 years). We need to stand up and say no to government takeover of our private lives.
Madalyn
As a Californian, the Leftist loonies here are getting worse. Sadly they’re too stupid to see the damage it’s doing. This BS about Pot being harmless, uh sure it is. After the paranoia kicks in you get to have some real fun. I can hardly wait for the stoners to become more prevalent and behind the wheel of a car ….. “WOW MAN, THATS SOME GOOD SH*T” as they plow into a bunch of kids.
The stoners are the ones doing 25 mph in a 45 mph zone
I don’t. Cancer Survivor.
The Wife does.
Show up at my house and tell me what to do or not do inside. Pay the price. Meet my Swedish Law Firm, OF Mossberg and Son.
Glenn
I love your law firm, lol. I am a former squid myself (MM1(SW)).
@rich wheeler:
My dad died two years ago last Wednesday of CODP, an aunt died from lung cancer, etc… my friends know not to light up near me while we’re out, or even to ask me to pick them up a pack while I’m at the store. My own home is strictly smoke free – if you want to live with me, you don’t light up. I was THRILLED when NYC passed the law banning smoking in public places. Recently, after seeing a movie with a friend who was in a hurry to get outside as soon as the movie ended so he could light up, I told him, “You will be choosing between a cigarette and spending time with me.” He called my bluff, lit up, and I went home. I don’t want it around me, and I won’t even stand outside with someone with it blowing in my direction.
That said, when my friend goes home, I have nothing to say. I keep my mouth shut. He is courteous enough to go out on his balcony to smoke while I visit, while I stay inside. If he didn’t, I’d choose to meet elsewhere other than his home. I can’t imagine how this would ever be enforced, or even allowed to stay on the books. I can’t even imagine law enforcement thinking it was important enough to knock on peoples’ door to check.
Ban cigarette smoking but legalize marijuana smoking. Such is the illogic of the left.
I am a recreational cigar smoker, not addicted and don’t inhale, but tell me I cant smoke a cigar in my own home or on the property I pay taxes on and see how fast I can file a class action law suit against my local governtment. We can’t get the drug dealers and the crack heads off the street but we are going to try and keep people from smoking a product sold in half the stores in the US??
I can’t help but notice a certain double-standard here. How can it be “nanny-statism” for the government to enact laws against possessing / using tobacco or alcohol in one’s home, but a-ok for the government to enact laws against possessing / using marijuana?
I’m completely in favor of harsh sanctions being levied against anyone who operates a vehicle while demonstratably impaired (whether due to substance or avoidable circumstance, e.g. operating a cell phone, “texting”… to a lesser extent, even reading a map while driving). In fact, any substance which is used in a way that dangers the well-being of those around the user (hence, potentially violence-inducing psychodelic drugs are “right out”), ought to be grounds for litigation – to my mind, that’s the legitimate role of our law enforcement community in these matters.
I just don’t understand the urge to imprison those who use toba… alco… I mean pot in the privacy of their own homes and in a manner which poses no threat to those around them; and I am frankly baffled at how the push to do so mostly seems to come from the same end of the political spectrum that most vocally rallies against the push to de-legalize tobacco.
Marijuana = illegal
Tobacco = legal
where is the double standard?
Obama’s nanny government, Bullshit, it was GW Bush’s government that passed the law that eliminated my job. They outlawed cigarette advertising and I lost my job of 15 years. So up yours if you blame this shit on Obama.
You must be in billboards, and very young, Robert. Otherwise you’d know that tobacco advertising on TV and radio has been banned since the early 70s. Billboards and some print ads (black and white) became the most common in the late 90s… until after an early 90s study on advertising and kids (remember Joe Camel?). After that, even most billboards and print ads were being replaced with nanny messages.
However the bill you are discussing as the nail in the coffin for onerous ad restrictions on tobacco ads was the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act … introduced and sponsored by Henry the clown Waxman (a Dem), and passed by a supermajority Dem Congress in June 2009… making it signed into law by our wannabe-an-ex-smoker POTUS, Barack Obama.
But there’s ample blame to go around… the vote was by no means partisan, and they had lots of GOP support. However if you think Bush had anything to do with Waxman’s enacted bill, you’re severely challenged on who has been in the Oval Office, who controlled Congress, and who begat these bills.
If you’re attempting to refer to the infamous “tobacco treaty”, Bush was chastized, and accused of siding with “big tobacco” for trying to weaken that treaty. That treaty has never been signed/ratified in our Congress and is ineffective as int’l law. This leaves us only with the Waxman/Obama enacted law in June 2009.
If you think Bush had anything to do with your job, then you’ve had way too much smoke blown up your own a$$.
@Robert:
Really? I looked it up and found an article advocating restriction of cigarette advertising here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031803004.html
Now why would they want to restrict something that’s already outlawed? Perhaps you’re responsible for the Camel ads that were geared towards CHILDREN? If W was responsible for stopping that, then kudos to him from me, a rather huge lefty.
So how did you lose your job? Are you a tobacco farmer or an advertiser? I’d hate to think that if you’re with an ad agency, tobacco manufactures were the only clients you could build a relationship with in fifteen years…
I remember when they advertised tobacco on TV. Bush has done so much to weaken our economy by allowing companies to ship jobs out of the US. When ever I get customer service that is out of the country I ask for someone in the US and if they don’t have one I hang up. I boycott all anti-tobacco what ever it is. They tried prohibition with Alcohol and it didn’t work. Bush could have done something but he didn’t because he was either too stupid or too weak. I have been a life long republican but I hate them for the waste they create. They wasted millions of tax dollars trying to oust Clinton for getting a bj in the Whitehouse. The republicans will say no to anything from the democrats even if the republicans thought it up first. Once the democrats like it they are against it.
The company I worked for had 40% of its business taken away because of one fracking law. They kept me working in production at a management position even though I was disabled by a back injury. Once I lost my job, they had to cut 60% of the workforce; no one would hire me because of my back.
Why should I go on you will just come up with more bs to support Bush and the GOP. The entire Bush family as far back as his grand daddies were sociopaths.
Is this any more intrusive or more unconstitutional than the government telling responsible, otherwise law-abiding adult citizens that they cannot smoke cannabis leaf in the privacy of their own homes?
Tobacco use is directly related to around 443,000 premature U.S. deaths yearly. Cannabis-related deaths in the U.S. per year? Statistically, ZERO.
ROBERT: hi, I am truly sorry for what happen to you; YOU are a REPUBLICAN desapointed
with a law that affected you personaly, I dont blame you for expressing your anger;
BUT what the challenge is now is to aim at the goal to get the change AMERICA want
and therefor unite and support thoses who are in the party who are already in place,
and waiting to receive the new breed who will strenghten their position and power,
all humans with a load of knowledge and conservative foundation that will solidified and restore the faith of the people including yourself in this coming new GOVERNMENT to realy serve the people
OF this BEAUTIFULL AMERICA.
WITH respect bye
@Greg:
If they would only stay off the roads, but, they won’t:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-0825-kerlikowske-marijuana-20100825,0,5131241.story
http://www.noozhawk.com/news_releases/article/073110_proposition_19
Don’t believe in God or the Devil either, I am a non-theist.
ROBERT: hi, NO you cant, DONT BE FUSSY, you have to choose one or the other. BYE
ilovebeeswarzone; Nope, want nothing to do with any religion and the hate mongers that hide behind religion.
ROBERT, I find only one religion offensive by the book they read. and they have to obey the rules
telling them to protest and shout death to AMERICA where they dont even know where it is,
they are not allowed to think for themself, just to follow that book and IMAM, ordering them to kneel 5 times a day to bow down, this is control over the humans DEHUMANIZES if I can call that,
WE dont see a control done on CHRISTIAN CHURCHES as a majority, maybe some have tryed it, but it’s contained. between a few mental cases.
bye
ilovebeeswarzone;
Spanish Inquisition, Nazi death camps, Roman Catholic church hiding Nazis, Burning books because you don’t agree with them, and I am talking about the present day conservatives list of books banned from school libraries and the list of atrocities goes on. No it is not just one religion it is all religions whatever false god or false devil they worship. This is how they lead and control the weak minded.