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Gotta Sharps Rifle that says otherwise.

How can this possibly be allowed under our Constitution? Pardon my naivete, but I thought such legislative abuses were strictly forbidden in our form of government. Do the people who write these bills really intend to jail their fellow citizens for something as inconsequential as a failure to buy health insurance? If they do, I’m afraid they might find the resistance to their efforts to enslave us a little more strident than they thought. I refuse to abide by a law that is clearly illegal.

umm, we do have all these czars also, so this is just another blatant attempt to rule over the little people. vote all of these jerks out.

If this bill passes in any form we will again have to rely on Arthur Kennedy to decide in his whim if this bill is constitutional. After all, we have a wise latina on the other side who is Obama’s mouthpiece in SC and will vote as he orders. Not for nothing do we have a dunce like her in this position. Anybody with integrity would question the constitutionality of this bill. None of the liberal SC justices will adhere to the Constitution but to the laws of social justice as they see them as usual.

When gas prices rose a couple of years back, people were unable to pay their mortgages which threw the banking system into crisis. Now people may be unable to pay their mortgages again because of the threat of going to jail as a consequence of not paying constitutionally unauthorized healthcare insurance mandated by the corrupt federal government.

On the other hand…

US Citizens DESERVE to tremble in their boots at the thought of fines and jail time as a consequence of not paying federally mandated health insurance. The problem is that citizens have evidently not been teaching the federal Constitution and its history to their children for many generations. Otherwise, citizens would be able to stop the Oval Office and corrupt Congress dead in their tracks with Obamacare by pointing out the following.

Given that the federal Constitution is silent about public healthcare, the 10th Amendment automatically reserves government power to regulate and lay taxes for healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress.

In fact, Chief Justice Marshall had established the following case precedent, now wrongly ignored, which appropriately limits the power of the feds to lay taxes.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” –Chief Justice Marshall, GIBBONS V. OGDEN (1824) http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html

So not only is misguided Obama’s proposed healthcare constitutionally unauthorized, but based on Justice Marshall’s official words, the corrupt Congress never had the power to lay taxes to fund such programs in the first place.

What’s going on is that state sovereignty-ignorant voters have been electing lawmakers to both the state legislatures and the federal senate who are as state sovereignty-impaired as the voters are. Consequently, these lawmakers have not been doing their jobs to protect state sovereignty by protecting citizens from illegal federal taxes and unconstitutional federal government interference in their lives as exemplified by proposed Obamacare.

Finally, the following link should help give people an idea as to how state sovereignty-ignorant voters have shot themselves in the foot with big, corrupt federal government as a consequence of the ill-conceived, anti-state sovereignty 16th and 17th Amendments.


Here in Iowa it is mandatory that a person carry auto insurance, it’s been this way for a few years now. If caught driving without insurance, a person could get fined and possibly do jail time. I really don’t see much difference, but I do value my health a little more then my car.

I believe this to be another scar tactic the republicans are using to get more people against Obama’s health care bill. It’s no big deal, but to Glenn Beck and his followers it’s the end of the world.

possibly do jail time

Untrue. It’s just like it is here in California. You get a ticket and you could get your license suspended. No where in the Iowa Vehicle Code does it say jail time for only driving without insurance.

Okay, I guess you got me on that one Curt, my mistake, sorry. It doesn’t say anything about jail time on a first offence. Still yet, I feel health insurance is important and every U.S citizen should have some form of health care. After all, aren’t people more important then cars? Then why make it mandatory to have your car insured but not mandatory to have your health insured?

PyroCreep, go here for a copy of the Memo that Sen. Ensign received.
I did not see any Iowa or first Offender exemption but it is on Joint Committee on Taxation letterhead and signed. The IRS is pretty ruthless but has been known to cut deals.


Memo reposted for emphasis. I don’t think they are fooling around.
And Yes, it is a TAX otherwise the IRS wouldn’t give a hoot about it.

Okay Old Trooper, you made a good point. Still, I can’t see why a person would NOT want health coverage on himself and his family if it were mad affordable for all. Tax or no tax.

What is the definition of affordable? To one person that may mean free and to another it may mean $1500 per month. But the point is if you are working and being paid above the table your money will be confiscated from you if the form of a payroll tax and given to someone who gets paid under the table or off the books or is just too lazy to work. You may not mind a cut in your standard of living so that collective commune will all be equal but I for one choose my charitable giving based on the merits of the charity.

No one wants the MEDICARE cuts and in addition the punitive “Taxation” that is proposed.
No one in America wants a lesser quality of care for additional taxation that will be irresponsibly imposed by an unresponsive Government that so far has proven itself unable to run a Taxpayer funded Lemonade stand and break even. No one should go to prison for not buying into a Government Boondoggle Health Care Plan. Read the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Iowa sets its Own Insurance requirements according to Law. So do other States for ALL Coverages.

The Baucus Bill and HR 3200 will be punitive and offer less care for a prohibitive cost. Baucus is my Senator and I have never voted for him. Grassley is yours and I would be proud to vote for him. Health Care is too important to be rushed or pushed. It is a lifeline and 1/6th of the Economy.
What has been proposed is unacceptable. What is proposed is not affordable for most of America. Look at the CBO figures and tell me who is lying to you.


Then why make it mandatory to have your car insured but not mandatory to have your health insured?

Car insurance is mandatory because driving creates an inherent risk to others.

If you have an automobile accident that is your fault you are responsible for the property damage and medical issues that you create for the other party and vice versa and mandatory insurance is in place to cover the costs.

Carrying auto insurance to protect your own vehicle is not a requirement, unless there is a third party financial interest (lien holder) on the vehicle.

Failure to carry health insurance doesn’t create an inherent risk to others, thus no one should be required to carry health insurance, or penalized if they choose not to.

Illegal aliens are the ones that should be in jail, If they can be illegal why not everyone else? Seems to me Americans could have civil rights violation to look into.

See the CNN news story: 47% will pay no federal income tax!


I am outraged! I had no idea the problem was this bad. These people are nothing but filthy beggars!!! And, now it’s time to start paying for their health-care. Give me a break. I’d rather be mugged, there’s more dignity in it.

We need a new political party in this country, the two we’ve got are nothing but robbing everyone. The republicans are steeling from the middle class and giving to the rich and the democrats are buying votes with our money by allowing this bunch of freeloaders to get a free ride.

I think the stuff hasn’t even com close to hitting the fan. There is a rush right now with Gun Stores, because of JUST this very health care/jail thing. This is going to be one of the worst ever erosions of freedom we have so far seen. What if you do it three times, that is fail to pay and go to jail, what then …three strikes your out, prison time for life? You can damn sure bet that there is a very large contingent that are arming themselves, stockpileing weapons and ammo and whatnots. This in my estimation will be obama’s undoing big time, once the first arrest for not having insurance hits the airwaves/news. Then it WILL be us verses them, theres not much other responce available. A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject, or didn’t you see that coming? Next on the agenda is the second amendment rights, and with about 200,000,000 million, yes two hundered million people that have arms, figure this one out. the black market sells all manner of illegal things, whats so special about ammo? It will take Patriots to secure freedom I believe, not the military or the law enforcement ie. them, it will take us to secure said freedom….botom line, and theres been many doind just that…..its called the zombie thing, for those not aware…. I’m outraged with this turn of events, you should be too. It’s not that we dont need some sort of health care system, its the imprisonment thing that will not fly. I guarenteeee.

@Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN Retired: @Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN Retired:
I Will Not sighn up . I will fight. I will post up. I will organize with other like minded ppl to fight back

@Aye Chihuahua, #14:

Failure to carry health insurance doesn’t create an inherent risk to others, thus no one should be required to carry health insurance, or penalized if they choose not to.

It was calculated in 2009 that uninsured Americans were adding around $1,000 per year to the premiums of each American who carried health insurance. Hospitals and other health service providers are forced to inflate charges to those who are insured, in order to cover the costs of patients who aren’t.

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