The ugly story behind the persecution of Catherine Engelbrecht

And Greggie shows up to defend the Democrats, Cummings and Jackson-Lee, in 3……..2………….

The problem is that he has absolutely no proof, as he has previously claimed, that TTV is a partisan group except an article from the far left American Prospect.

When I attended the first TTV Summit, I met many, MANY Democrats who were concerned about dead voters, duplicate voting, vote mining and all other forms of vote fraud. They were from counties in Texas that are almost solidly Democrat, as well as counties in other states that were primarily Democrat. They simply wanted their voter rolls to be up to date and correct. TTV offers them the training to maintain correct voter rolls.

Our most precious right, be we Democrat or Republican, as Americans is our right to elect those that represent us. Ironically, most vote fraud happens in districts, like Sheila Jackson Lee’s district, that is primarily minorities. Democrats should be worried about minorities being disenfranchised by voter fraud perpetrated by groups like ACORN, but the Box 13 rule prevails in the DNC. i.e. the election of Al Franken.

@Greg: Greg, you’ve taken too many humor pills today: Did you read this?:

The predominantly Democratic districts themselves had large variations between them in the number of instances with six or more registered voters at one address. The first had 7,560, the second 8,981, and the third—the district of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, the prominent, outspoken Democratic congresswoman—had 19,596 instances with six or more voters registered at one address.
True the Vote then compared the socio-economic demographics of the three predominantly Democratic congressional districts in an effort to explain why Jackson Lee’s district could have such a high number

In comparison. Engelbrecht told Townhall, the group had found no significant difference to explain such a drastic variation in the numbers.
The group began doing research into the abnormalities in Jackson Lee’s district. They took the first 3,800 registrations of the flagged 19,596 instances with six or more registrants at one address and began to investigate further. The group visited addresses and scoured property tax records. The group found many of the addresses were vacant lots or business addresses. Thirty-nine were registered at businesses and 97 of the addresses were nonexistent. One hundred six of the registrations revealed the same registrant registered more than once, and 207 of the addresses turned out to be vacant lots.

Meanwhile, 595 registrations had registrants with driver’s license addresses not matching the registration, and many were voting in a district they did not live in. Of the random 3,800 registrations from Jackson Lee’s predominantly Democratic district, 25 percent had critical errors.”

And that’s just in one district. Multiply it by thousands. Yes, I can see why you wouldn’t think it’s a problem, they’re electing Dimocrats.

One more interesting point. When you link to Cummings’ official website you will see a link to take you to the “full letter” that Cummings wrote announcing his investigation of True the Vote in October of 2012. When you click on it, it has been taken down. Wonder what he may be hiding now that Issa made public that Cummings’ office was working in conjunction with the IRS’s illegal harassment of True the Vote?

It’s really not that hard to connect all the dots. The Democrats just hate it when anyone has the audacity to do so

http://www.redstate.com/diary/westcoastpatriette/2014/04/11/elijah-cummings-investigation-true-vote-maryland-open-secret/

@John:

please compare that to the huge lines and long waits in FL that lower voting turnouts in Dem areas

If it’s in Dim areas, then the Dims are the ones in control of voter registration and polling, You’ll have to ask the Dims how and why they are hindering their own people from voting.

In FL if you bothered to check those counties were under GOP control
Thanks for the chance to remind everyone

@Redteam, #4:

The predominantly Democratic districts themselves had large variations between them in the number of instances with six or more registered voters at one address. The first had 7,560, the second 8,981, and the third—the district of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, the prominent, outspoken Democratic congresswoman—had 19,596 instances with six or more voters registered at one address.

It’s well known that voter registration offices across much of the United States have done a very poor job of keeping their records current. Generally, registered voters haven’t been required to notify their former registration offices when they’ve left one district and registered at another. Registration offices have been notoriously bad in the matter of cross checking records. In many states they haven’t even had a mechanism to regularly cross-check state death records with local voter registration rolls. Dead people seldom call their local boards to report their deaths.

Low-income people tend to change addresses much more frequently than those having higher income. There’s a lot of turnover of residents that occupy low rent rooms, apartments, mobile homes, and houses. When voter rolls are not regularly updated, this results in having higher numbers of registered voters associated with a single address. Additionally, there’s the fact that people with low incomes tend to share dwellings more often simply because it lowers the individual cost of housing.

While these are the most logical and most obvious explanations, they’re not the ones that True the Vote or republicans officials imposing a wide range of restrictions want to hear about or talk about. The most telling fact is that more focus is being placed on restricting voters themselves than on the faulty voter registration practices that tend to create unreliable and out of date data bases to begin with.

It’s easy to find registration anomalies, for reasons such as those stated. That doesn’t necessarily translate into voter fraud, however. Why is it that proven instances of actual voter fraud are so few as to be statistically insignificant, when conservative organizations have devoted unprecedented time and energy to uncovering and exposing the problem? If actual voter fraud is widespread, it should be a very simple thing to demonstrate.

The answer is simple: It’s because widespread voter fraud does not exist.

@Greg:

Low-income people tend to change addresses much more frequently than those having higher income. There’s a lot of turnover of residents that occupy low rent rooms, apartments, mobile homes, and houses.

Well, that certainly explains why so many voters are living on vacant lots and at addresses that don’t even exist.

While these are the most logical and most obvious explanations, they’re not the ones that True the Vote or republicans officials imposing a wide range of restrictions want to hear about or talk about.

Well, that certainly explains why that is exactly the instances they brought up to talk about, doesn’t it? They don’t want to hear about it, but they brought them up. Is there an echo here?

If actual voter fraud is widespread, it should be a very simple thing to demonstrate.

Which is exactly what True the Vote has done. Ta Da.

@Greg:

The answer is simple: It’s because widespread voter fraud does not exist.

So what you are saying now is that if voter fraud is not “widespread”, then you are not concerned about it? How widespread does it have to be to garner your attention and you start demanding Democrats do something about it, Greggie? Since voter fraud is mostly committed in minority districts, how many minorities have to be disenfranchised before you think it is a problem? Ten? One thousand? Ten thousand?

Are you saying if one Democrat candidate for judge, sheriff, city council is defeated by the vote fraud perpetrated by another Democrat candidate, you’re fine with it? Because that is exactly what is happening in south Texas, election after election.

http://www.wral.com/state-elections-officials-seek-tighter-security/13533579/

This is only the tip of the iceberg. With people being able to vote absentee, or in early voting, and then being allowed same day registration in another state, vote fraud IS rampant.

I think you’re just afraid if the extensive voter fraud that happens every election in this country is ever really cleaned up Democrat will begin to lose by large numbers.

@Greg:

Low-income people tend to change addresses much more frequently than those having higher income. There’s a lot of turnover of residents that occupy low rent rooms, apartments, mobile homes, and houses.

While that may be true, what they don’t change is their date of birth, their gender and their Social Security number.

@Greg: If voter fraud (and exposure of voter fraud) is such a fabricated bogus proposition, why has the left expended such great amounts of energy to destroy organizations working to expose voter fraud? Why not just let them bang their heads against the wall and burn themselves out?

I’ll answer that one, Greg. It’s because the left is deathly afraid of the exposure of real (if limited in scope, right now) voter fraud and arousing real interest in blocking it. The Kennedys used it, Johnson used it, Lee has used it, Franken used it and no doubt Obama used it. All in close, contested races. The left needs voter fraud and they want to preserve it.

Deny its existence all you like, Greg. Close your eyes and say you see no evidence as it pleases you. The attentive among us are not so malleable. It’s a damn shame to realize your ideology can exist only through fraud and lies.

@John: I guess, John, you’ve never worked in a plant or factory. None of those are “serious” they are violations of preventive requirements. In fact, as hard as OSHA was instructed to look and find violations, regardless of if they existed or not, that is a very, very mild list.

@John: Actually, OSHA visits are not routinely scheduled. OSHA visits are 99.99% a result of a complaint. Don’t you feel stupid when you are wrong so much of the time?

@retire05: @Greg:

The answer is simple: It’s because widespread voter fraud does not exist.

So what you are saying now is that if voter fraud is not “widespread”, then you are not concerned about it? How widespread does it have to be to garner your attention and you start demanding Democrats do something about it, Greggie? Since voter fraud is mostly committed in minority districts, how many minorities have to be disenfranchised before you think it is a problem? Ten? One thousand? Ten thousand?

You have hit upon an important point: ”widespread” voter fraud would not be needed to steal an election.
Recall how many districts in 2012 had 100% of their vote go to Obama?
Recall also how several districts had more than 100% turnout of all adults over 18?
There’s a page at True The Vote where an elderly lady is on video talking about the group of blacks who stopped her on the way to her polling place with a warning: Unless you are voting for Obama turn around!
Voter fraud and voter intimidation would NOT have to be ”widespread,” to turn an election one way or the other.
It would need pinpoint accuracy as to be able to turn the electoral college in states where it would be close.
That’s all the Dems needed to do.
The meme Dems will use will include the term, ”widespread,” simply because what is actually needed to win is pinpoint and small.
They think we will let small amounts slide.
Say, if you knew one glass of water was pure water and the other had ”only” less than 1% cyanide in it, and you couldn’t tell which was which, would you be willing to drink?

The NC Board of Elections has found over 35000 instances of people who voted in NC and one of the other 28 states participating in the investigation who voted in two states in the 2012 election.

That is clear evidence of widespread vote fraud. Wbo knows how many more there were, since all 50 states did not participate in the investigation.

@Nanny G, #24:

So what you are saying now is that if voter fraud is not “widespread”, then you are not concerned about it?

No, I’m not saying that. All cases of vote fraud should be detected and prosecuted to keep elections honest.

What I’m saying is that I find it highly objectionable to take action that could disenfranchise millions of entirely legitimate voters on the pretext of eliminating a level of verified fraud that is so small it’s statistically insignificant.

When that’s being done in the way that it’s being done, there’s every indication of voter suppression with partisan motivation.

They caused Engelbrecht pain and expense without so much as a shred of evidence of wrongdoing.

Her wrongdoing was revealing the massive voter fraud by the democratic party. That is a no no for the obama administration.

Keep in mind that WE THE PEOPLE are paying for all of the expenses of the federal agencies that are involved in going after Tea Party people. WE THE PEOPLE are financing the federal government’s drive to go after WE THE PEOPLE.

@John: #9

Does anyone really think the FBI has become a completely political tool ?

It’s not just the FBI. There are many cases where someone filed for a tax exempt Tea Pary, then in come several federal agencies. Not one time do you hear about those agencies going in after a liberal organization files for tax exempt status. Why? Can you link to one time when this happened?

The radical right thinks that Obama is weak and stupid yet they also think he is somehow in direct control of the million plus federal employees

Didn’t you know that the president appoints the heads of these agencies, and the head is subject to what the president says, or they can be fired? It’s the same way when a republican is president.

@retire05: #18

While that may be true, what they don’t change is their date of birth, their gender and their Social Security number.

obama change 2 out of 3.

@Greg: #35

There would be a problem if more people actually cast votes than there are people of voting age in a given area, but I’ve seen no proven instances of that—only misleading stories that are intended to make readers think such problems have been demonstrated.

Take your pick. Some of the stories are even from liberal media. You have to go to media that tells the truth to find the truth. Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot who I was talking to.

Billions are poured into job training programs annually as well as into other social service programs. The funds for these programs go, in large part, to “community based” organizations. These are often minority oriented nonprofits with connections to the illegal immigrant population. These organizations hire “counselors” and “outreach” employees who go door to door in neighborhoods populated primarily by illegals and the products of amnesty. They register these folks to vote as part of their “service” to this community. They also provide them with hooks into other public funded resources such as food stamps and healthcare. This provides incentive for the illegals to cooperate. Many of the organizations were united under the name “Acorn” until that name gained notoriety. The funding for these groups was expanded enormously under the stimulus.

Without public funding, voter fraud might indeed be less of a problem, but we keep hearing reports of busloads of illegals being hauled from district to district with lists of registrants names which can be safely used to vote. This is why a registrant named “Mickey Mouse” can actually be turned into a vote. Without voter fraud, our election results would likely be very different than they have been lately. The whole process is very large and very organized. The only thing that can reduce it is voter ID. We also need a purge of the voter rolls. Let everyone who wants to vote re-register with ID before voting. This would also reduce absentee ballot fraud which may be an even larger problem.

One reason so little voter fraud is reported is that it mostly takes place during a very short period of time. Also, the polling places are controlled by the party in power in the district. Once a vote has been cast, it can’t be undone. What’s more, there are very few monitors who volunteer to observe voting and they are not welcome in the districts where there is heavy illegal activity.

True the Vote is a key organization attempting to correct this problem by finding and training election monitors. This is a very serious threat to the status quo. This is why it is important to the left to deny them funding at all costs. To keep pretending that the problem of voter fraud is a small one is laughable, but that is the tactic chosen by the Silly Socialists’ propaganda machine.

@drjohn: Having managed huge manufacturing facilities all my life, I can verify what you say is true. All the facilities used forklifts, none had seatbelts and none were required. I have never heard of a ‘certified’ forklift operator. Should always wear safety glasses when using a grinding mach. I don’t recall OSHA ever making scheduled general inspections. They would send you a letter, stating what the offense had been reported and that they were coming to look. The company people escorted them to and from the reported violation. If something else was ‘visible’ on their vistit, they could cite you for that also. It’s an harassment tool for the Dimocrats and their union buddies to use to intimidate companys. Created for good reasons, abused like all things Dimocrats get involved with.

I had OSHA come to a welding shop that I worked at when I was 20, 1980’ish, they cited the owner for a fan because a baby could fit its fingers though the grate. Now that fand & grate was 3 ft off the floor on a poll stand, but the non-existent baby could have knocked the fan over and then stuck his fingers though… MY GOSH, what morons!

@drjohn: Well, we DO have seat belts on the fork lifts and DO only allow those who have been through a training course operate them. However, as strict and thorough as we are about safety, OSHA can (and has) come in at any time (we ususally get some notice, I’m not sure why) and find a can of something left open, someone not wearing safety glasses, etc, etc, etc. To site these petty observances, ESPECIALLY in light of the FACT that no doubt these OSHA people were directed to go in and FIND something, that list is definitely petty bullshit.

@Smorgasbord, #36:

The source is World Net Daily, which has a history of promoting conspiracy theory. Perhaps it’s my own bias, but I don’t trust the publication, nor do I trust the sources they’ve provided for the details of their story. If such instances are actually supported by credible testimony and evidence, I also have to wonder why they wouldn’t wind up being the subject of investigations and law suits. There would be no lack of funding to do that, and no lack of republican politicians to keep the matter in the public spotlight.

@Kraken, #41:

These well-rehearsed hysterical run-on sentences that the Collective issues to its drones are always good for a chuckle.

Sorry. In the future I’ll try to remember to shorten my sentences to accommodate your attention span.

@Greg:

Sorry. In the future I’ll try to remember to shorten my sentences to accommodate your attention span.

Like these?

I get the impression that some people automatically discredit all media sources that disagree with them. The anathema list has become very long. Soon it will be easier just to list the approved outlets.