23 Feb

democrat fascism takes another ugly turn

                                       

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Apparently it’s not enough to use the IRS and FCC to shut down the opposition.

What does an aspiring democrat Senator wannabe do when he doesn’t like an opposition TV ad?

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Attack the woman cancer victim in the ad, and then threaten to take the station off the air.

While Julie Boonstra of Dexter, Mich., struggles to survive leukemia, she now also has to cope with being called a liar by the Democrat who wants to be her next senator.

And the campaign of Rep. Gary Peters is also going after television stations airing ads in which her story is featured, threatening their licenses.

The ad by Americans for Prosperity features Boonstra talking about how her insurance was canceled under Obamacare and saying that Peters’ decision to vote for the law “jeopardized my health.” The ads are airing in Michigan as Peters seeks the Democratic nomination to replace Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., who is not seeking re-election.

The Obamedia sprang into action, helping to pound Boonstra:

Media organizations investigating the ad’s claims note that Boonstra was able to find comparable new insurance under the law; the Washington Post’s “Fact Checker” blog gave the ad “two Pinocchios” (as compared to four for President Obama’s claim that people could keep their insurance under the law).

Not so fast.

Let’s lay them out: Mr. Peters goes to Washington and votes for Obamacare. Because of this, back home, Ms. Boonstra, a mother who was given a 20 percent chance of surviving her cancer, looses her health insurance. It takes her two uncertain, sleep-deprived months to replace her plan, with Obamacare delaying every step of the way through its broken website, weeks of snail-mail delays and days of backed up phone lines. Ms. Boostra finally ended up with a plan she doesn’t think is even comparable to the security of her old plan. And when she told her story, Mr. Peters, the politician who wants to be her senator — and represent her in Washington — sicced his lawyers on her, questioning her trials and, in a page right out of Richard Nixon’s playbook, threatening the license of the station that dared to air it.

In his rebuke of the ad, Glenn Kessler makes the same mistake liberals make every day of the week- they confuse coverage with care.

Boonstra was able to find a plan with a similar overall cost. That’s where the discussion normally ends for liberals, but it’s wrong. For cancer patients, successful treatment very often hinges upon drug therapy. Not only can you not keep your plan, you might not be able to keep your drugs:

In fact, state and federal regulators must have approved the health plans without reviewing final drug formularies. Many plans are also not publishing information about their networks of doctors, or when they do; the information is unreliable (listing, for example, doctors who argue that they aren’t part of the plans).

There are some things we know about these formularies.

Under the law, the Obamacare plans benchmarked their drug formularies off of one of the health plans already operating in each state.

In selecting this benchmark, they could have to select from one of four options:

They could choose from: 1) One of the three largest small group plans in the state by enrollment; 2) one of the three largest state employee health plans by enrollment; 3) one of the three largest federal employee health plan options by enrollment; or 4) the largest HMO plan offered in the state’s commercial market by enrollment.

Because there’s a wide variation in the breadth of the drug formularies maintained by these four options, there is also wide variation in the Obamcare plans.

The formulary you’ll get depends most of all on which state you live in (and which benchmark was chosen by the state regulators).

It also appears that the final regulation on all this, issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, gave states some latitude to nix drugs that might otherwise be listed on the benchmark formularies they selected. That regulatory wiggle room seems to undermine the whole idea of having a benchmark plan.

So can you find a good drug plan in Obamacare?

It’s difficult.

Secondly, Boonstra lost her plan. Obama promised that she would not lose her plan- no matter what. Piled on the stress of even dealing with cancer Boonstra was dropped into a roiling pot of uncertainty. As the relative of a cancer victim I can tell you that that is significant.

Peters needs a reminder that an Obama Super-PAC ran an ad claiming that Mitt Romney killed Joe Soptic’s wife. That was a dastardly lie, while this message remains accurate.

This is one more effort in the Obama/DNC philosophy of controlling the media and suppressing the ability of conservatives to exercise their First Amendment rights. And let’s remember that democrats have a history of attacking cancer patients. They could call it the “Gutless Doctrine”

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DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.
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130 Responses to democrat fascism takes another ugly turn

  1. Nanny G says: 101

    @DrJohn: the schools involved have strong ties to liberal billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Foundations and have gotten more than $1.8 million from since 2000.

    That buys a lot of friendliness.
    Sandra Korn is a senior at Harvard and columnist for the Harvard Crimson.

    In a recent column, Korn unambiguously insisted that the university should stop guaranteeing professors and students the right to hold controversial views and pursue research that challenges liberalism.
    “Why should we put up with research that counters our goals?” asked Korn, “Let’s give up on academic freedom in favor of justice.”

    This and a few other examples of the same closed-mindedness here:
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/23/harvard-writer-free-speech-threatens-liberalism-and-must-be-destroyed/#ixzz2uFEcQxns

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  2. DrJohn says: 102

    Remember what I said here?

    For cancer patients, successful treatment very often hinges upon drug therapy. Not only can you not keep your plan, you might not be able to keep your drugs:

    Bingo

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  3. This one says: 103

    Koch Brothers Latest Obamacare Ad Is Their Most Dishonest And Deceptive One Yet:

    https://www.politicususa.com/2014/02/21/koch-brothers-running-extremely-dishonest-obamacare-ad.html

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  4. DrJohn says: 104

    @Nanny G: @FAITH7:

    Don’t you wonder why Skippy hates women?

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  5. Pete says: 105

    Posting leftists in nazi garb is hardly offbase.

    Google the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party political platform from 1932, and compare it to the democrat party political platforms from FDR to the present. Claiming fascism as “right wing” is more leftist lying….and conveniently forgets that Stalin, initially an ally of the nazis, used the CPUSA to.agitate against US involvement in WWII. It wasn’t until after the leftist Hitler double crossed the leftist Stalin that the commies began shrieking for the US to enter the war. There was no principle involved, only service to the collectivist elite of the state.

    Likewise, this despicable leftwing politician threatening the licenses of news stations that allow this woman to discuss her dissatisfaction with the effect obamacare has had on her cancer treatment, not to mention the negative economic impact of this socialist power grab, fits well within the leftist playbook. According to the socialist propagandists on this thread, this woman is LYING about her obamacare situation….at least in their fevered minds. Yet this vituperative attack by leftist shills against an alleged lie is nowhere apparent against these lies:

    “If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD!”

    “If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it”

    “If you make less than $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up a single dime!”

    “My plan will decrease the cost of health insurance for a family of 4 by $2500 a year.”

    Lies do not matter to leftists, because truth is to them a worthless commodity. Their entire philosophy is based on lies and manipulation in the service of garnishing more and more power to themselves, with everyone else destined to enslavement. Leftists want people to be stupid and uneducated, because such people are easier to manipulate and control. Someone who is an incredibly effective liar is admired by leftists, as is seen by the history of the slimeball Bill Clinton.

    Democrats exhibit more and more clearly their fascist tendencies, and become more strident in the expression of their underlying characteristics as the results of their inhumane policies reveal ever rising levels of failure. Welfare has increased poverty despite trillions of dollars wasted. Keynesian economic insanity has resulted in US credit downgrade and a near doubling of the national debt, not to.mention the fact that almost 50 million Americans are on foodstamps….more than yhe entire population of Spain. Obamacare is so bad, and has such a horrible effect on jobs, that the fascist democrats are using the IRS to force business to put in writing the ridiculous statement that obamacare is not the reason a company is cutting jobs and employment hours, under penalty of perjury.

    So yes, the fascist shoe, armband and characterization absolutely fits democrats and this pathetic democrat congressman from Michigan.

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  6. DrJohn says: 106

    @Pete:

    This is how offensive Hitler garb is to liberals:

    http://tinyurl.com/q5rsqq2

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  7. Pete says: 107

    Exactly my point, DrJohn.

    Leftists do not care about truth. Bush was portrayed as Hitler because he enacted policies that mostly benefitted Americans, and defended our constitutional republic. He never violated the Consfitution. But Obama has repeatedly violated the Constitution, used the IRS to silence political opposition, and liwd repeatedly about obamacare, the IRS, unemployment, tax rates, Benghazi, and destroyed US credibility around the world.

    His upcoming budget, cuts ONLY the defense budget, but not welfare spending. This is the exact same stunt pulled by Clinton. The leftists are trying to buy the 2014 election, as typical for fascists before they fully takeover power.

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  8. jimmyjack says: 108

    A Progressive has no problem putting a thousand families into poverty based on a notion that in the distant future we might lose a couple feet of shoreline. He will not stop to consider that technology is just as unpredictable as the weather. He truly believes he has a crystal ball that tells him within a few points of a degree, the temperature a hundred years out. But he will not attempt to use that crystal ball to divine advancements in technology. He stomps his feet and says, “the science is settled,” when it’s very clear to any thinking being, that the statement itself is utterly asinine. Science, by it’s very nature is never settled.

    Notions such as this, and others like income inequality and others, relieve the Progressive of the burden of critical thought. Calling people dirty names is about all he can muster.

    This is exactly how they can be sold a bill of goods like Obamacare. Critical thought is not available to them. They need to be guided from one cause to the next. They will take the word of their Dear Leader unquestioningly, and never give it another moment’s thought.

    Anybody who can wake up everyday and find a reason to defend a President’s habitual lying, is neither capable of thinking for himself, nor making decisions for others.

    They need to crawl back in their holes, stop trying to think, collect their checks and stop voting.

    I will gladly pay them for their silence.

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  9. enchanted says: 109

    For those offended by the picture of the nazi uniform. If you act like a nazi, talk like a nazi, it is easily assumed you are a nazi. Of course that term is not used, but if you read the history of hitler, you won’t find much difference between the current administration and hitler.

    Next. In my opinion after reading the law, it is about rationing. It is about culling the herd and leaving the young and healthy. After all the elderly, those with terminal diseases and those born with congenital illnesses are a definite burden to the solvency of the health care system.

    Lastly, It isn’t even about rationing, and has nothing to do with health care. It has to do with control over the people. This is the number one rule of alinsky. For those who don’t know the rules, they are as follows.

    Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He authored the book, “Rules for
    Radicals”.

    In his book, he details the eight 8 levels of control that must be obtained in order to create a social state.

    The first is the most important.

    1) Healthcare: Control healthcare and you control the people.

    2) Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control, and will not fight back as long as you are providing everything they require to live.

    3) Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. In this way, taxes must increase, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control: Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselves from the Government. In that way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education: Take control of what children read and to what they are taught in school.

    7) Religion: Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare: Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.

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  10. jimmyjack says: 110

    @enchanted:

    You’ve laid out exactly why the Progressive voter must be stopped. He is controlled by people he’s more than likely never heard of. He can be duped into voting for people he knows nothing about, and be counted on to defend those people even if they are in direct opposition to anything they may have told him in order to gain his vote.

    Obama, for instance, has never held to anything he promised these non-thinking beings, yet they still defend him with all manner of vitriol. (Alinski once again)

    If you voted for Obama, shame on you. If you’ve seen the light and are turning, I won’t forgive you until I see you screaming from the rooftops how wrong you were. But if you are still defending him, even in the face of all this evidence, then you are a victim of your own creation, and we will all rue the day you decided to trust in a man you knew nothing about over your fellow citizens.

    You have all the knowledge at your fingertips, and it’s very easy to find out the history of people like Obama and the consequences of their actions. Yet your mind is too lazy to investigate the warning signs.

    You have one responsibility that accompanies your privilege to vote, and that’s to investigate all those you would vote for. You refuse to do so, so you’ve not earned that privilege.

    Imagine that, yet another fascist state among fascist states, and all you had to do was touch a couple buttons on a keyboard to help you understand that by virtue of your vote, you abdicated your right to vote.

    Lazy idiots.

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  11. jimmyjack says: 111

    @This one:

    It just goes to show how good this law really is when lobbyists and politicians have to stoop to telling outright lies in their attempts to discredit it.

    That is a quote from the last paragraph of an article posted above. Now change just one word and you can see why we’re right.

    It just goes to show how good this law really is when lobbyists and politicians have to stoop to telling outright lies in their attempts to DEFEND it.

    The article is very biased and talks about a private group’s ad. Then closes with a rant about how lying politicians are to blame. Idiotic yes, but it gets worse.

    Even if a private citizen is lying about it, it has no affect on your life. When government does it, people die.

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  12. Redteam says: 112

    @jimmyjack

    : He truly believes he has a crystal ball that tells him within a few points of a degree, the temperature a hundred years out

    And there is not a weatherman in the country that can tell you the exact temp for next week, or tomorrow. He can’t tell you if it will rain or not. Their predictions for a hundred years in the future would only be a guess.

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  13. Nathan Blue says: 113

    @This one: Until you renounce Soros and all those people who engineered Obama with their own money, your Koch Brothers whining rhetoric is hypocritical and utterly useless.

    You can’t complain about something you openly support and not be regarded as just…well…confused.

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  14. retire05 says: 114

    @enchanted:

    Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He authored the book, “Rules for
    Radicals”.

    In his book, he details the eight 8 levels of control that must be obtained in order to create a social state.

    The first is the most important.

    1) Healthcare: Control healthcare and you control the people. (Obamacare)

    2) Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control, and will not fight back as long as you are providing everything they require to live. (Lower middle class wages with higher fuel costs to transport products which results in higher consumer prices and less disposable income)

    3) Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. In this way, taxes must increase, and this will produce more poverty. (The national debt level speaks to this)

    4) Gun Control: Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselves from the Government. In that way you are able to create a police state. (Turn the 2nd Amendment on its head. Make the debate from what the 2nd Amendment originally sought to achieve, our ability to protect ourselves from an oppressive government to being about the slaughter of children, etc.)

    5) Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income). (Control where people live. Diminish the individual’s ability for selection of goods and services and force them into areas of high population by restricting movement.)

    6) Education: Take control of what children read and to what they are taught in school. (Common Core which is joined at the hip with Race To The Top. Lenin said if he could educate children for just four years they would be his forever)

    7) Religion: Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. (Attack Christianity. Diminish the importance of religion by mocking it and claiming it is oppressive. Once faith in God is destroyed, the populace will turn to another for guidance, i.e. the government. This is pure Gramsci who had a big fan in Saul Alinsky)

    8) Class Warfare: Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor. (In two words; identity politics. Pit one group against another. Create friction among the groups. Make each group think you support them, and not the other groups. Again, Gramsci theory)

    How did Alinsky fail? He didn’t. He was a brilliant Marxist that understood humanity and how our own humanity could be used to enslave us to the government. He produced those like William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn, who were willing to kill other [innocent] Americans in the name of their Marxist revolution, Cass Sunstein, a eugenist who has simply traded under another handle (educator), Samatha Powers, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, and yes, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

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  15. in old time they would be hang for treason,
    and in this time what are you doing?
    ah yes,
    wait till he finish the job,to hang you all,
    by invoking the help of the devil,

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  16. Common Sense says: 116

    @This one: Remember it was your Black Messiah who looked America in the face and said if you like your insurance and/or doctor you can keep them “period”. Koch brothers can’t beat this like of crap!!

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  17. obamarhhea says: 117

    @This one: this one you are fabulous ,fabulously stupid ,now go back to attending greggies needs

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  18. Skookum says: 118

    Here is Hillary Clinton’s 1969 master’s thesis on Saul Alinsky. The most intelligent woman in the world has a poor grasp of writing principles; her writing skills are boring and imprecise. In fact, the thesis makes the assumption of Hillary’s superior intellect seem ludicrous or laughable, but it is obvious, she admired Alinsky the Communist and his “Community Organizing” skills.

    Although the writing is disjointed and difficult to understand, we should all read a few chapters (it is only 91 pages) to understand how a mediocre intellect can be promoted far beyond her abilities, and why the correct political path or ideology seems to open many doors of academia for the less- than brilliant student.

    We were caught napping to allow this Communist influence into out highest levels of government; however, we should give credit to Alinsky, he was extremely successful at inspiring Communist sympathizers like Obama and Hillary, and he is still exerting his influence on our country and its traditions.

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  19. enchanted says: 119

    @retire05:

    What we as Americans need to do is to ensure that obama doesn’t have a chance to complete the list. If the American people fall again next presidential election and elect someone like obama, we are doomed.

    I don’t worry so much about myself as I worry about my daughters and their families. They are the ones who will suffer the most. Will my grandson be able to enjoy the freedoms I had when I was his age? I pray that he does but deep inside I am not so sure.

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  20. retire05 says: 120

    @enchanted:

    Will my grandson be able to enjoy the freedoms I had when I was his age? I pray that he does but deep inside I am not so sure.

    The answer to your question is “No.”

    When I was a kid, I remember signs in businesses that said “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”.
    Now we live in a nation where a baker, or florist, can be sued if they don’t supply their labor and services for a same sex couple’s wedding. And for those who say “well, they should have sold them the cake/flowers” it’s more than that. It’s not only the product, but the delivery of the product and the services that go with setting up the product. Progressives are writing articles on how, if you have a service oriented business, and you don’t provide services to same sex couples for their weddings due to your religious beliefs, you are just a bigot and no better than a supporter of Jim Crow. Take a stand on your Christian faith, and you will be harassed, your life will be threatened, along with the lives of your family, you will be picketed, and the doors to your business will be blocked.

    But a Socialist society cannot survive when people still believe in God. It will fall, sooner or later. And the fall will be ugly.

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  21. Nanny G says: 121

    @retire05: When I was a kid, I remember signs in businesses that said “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”.
    Now we live in a nation where a baker, or florist, can be sued if they don’t supply their labor and services for a same sex couple’s wedding. And for those who say “well, they should have sold them the cake/flowers” it’s more than that. It’s not only the product, but the delivery of the product and the services that go with setting up the product. Progressives are writing articles on how, if you have a service oriented business, and you don’t provide services to same sex couples for their weddings due to your religious beliefs, you are just a bigot and no better than a supporter of Jim Crow. Take a stand on your Christian faith, and you will be harassed, your life will be threatened, along with the lives of your family, you will be picketed, and the doors to your business will be blocked.

    Worse than that, retir05, the Left is now trying to make mandatory what was, until last year, something Obama, himself, wasn’t too sure should be legal at all!
    Gay marriage was illegal in almost all the US until Obama needed the gay vote.
    Then, after years of shunting gays off the the side (I mean, what were they going to do? Become Republicans? They were a lock, votewise!) suddenly Obama is looking to criminalize not sharing his most recent viewpoint!
    The 13th Amendment to the US Constitution promises us we will not be forced into servitude UNLESS we are being punished for a crime we have been convicted of.
    Obama is accusing cake makers and photographers of a crime (what crime?) then meting out the punishment before the trial. Lawfare can break a small business like a baker of photographer.

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  22. retire05 says: 122

    @Nanny G:

    The simple fact of the matter is that if you can destroy the First Amendment, all the rest will fall on their own. We have our Fourth Amendment violated every time we try to board a plane. The attack on the Second is constant and never ending. Schools, that refuse to teach Christianity except for a passing mention, are devoting entire semesters to Islam. Reagan is described as a “radical”, and egalitarianism is being pushed on children who will never understand the satisfaction that comes with person achievement.

    What if that florist/baker has been Muslim and refused to cater weddings their religion objected to? Would those gays have sued those Muslims? Can someone show me that there were no gay owned florists/bakers that would have been happy to accommodate the same sex couples wishes. This is the “nudge” and if the “nudge” doesn’t work for cultural Marxism, the left will then start to push. These cases are a prime example of the push.

    Freedom of thought is being abolished. Freedom of religion will quickly follow. Or maybe it is the reverse; once you abolish the freedom of religious beliefs, the freedom of thought will then also be abolished.

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  23. he won’t leave without causing more damages to the USA,
    WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE, OH IT JUST ARRIVE, THE CUT OF MILITARY,
    THAT IS A MAJOR ONE,

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  24. Jason says: 124

    @greg:

    I think what some might be having a problem with is the Detroit News article citing facts suggesting that the Julie�s Story attack ad is a steaming load of horse manure, and that Americans for Prosperity President Tim Phillips either knows it, or is so stupid that he can�t figure it out. I�m guessing it�s the first possibility.

    Agreed. It is all a lie.

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  25. Look, we are already screwed. We lost the last election, and now need to just tighten up and face the consequences. There is no way to stop the damage at this point. Agonizing over it is pointless. Let’s just look towards the 2014 & 2016 elections, and work like hell to win them. There will be a lot of work to do to clean up this disaster and try to marginalize leftism again. The truly difficult task will be to marginalize an entrenched leftist MSM and education system.

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  26. Angel Artiste
    yes, ABSOLUTELY,

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  27. Jason
    i think you put quote mark on your comment, it does happen to me also,
    it bring letters in between the words,
    now i always review and delete those after i’m done
    bye

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  28. I HAVE FOUND YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT
    THAT”S CAVUTO, HE HAS WHAT IT TAKE,
    AND HAS CLOUT TO GET JOBS TO COME IN THE USA,
    HE SURE CAN COUNT, AND DOESN’T NEED THE MONEY,
    HE HAS FRIENDS IN THE MARKET OF CREATING JOBS,
    HE CAN TELL ANYONE THEY ARE WRONG IF THEY ARE THE RICHEST MAN,HE IS UNAFRAID AND CAN CHOOSE HIS HELPER VERY WELL, I CAN SEE IT, FROM HERE,
    you tried and it didn’t work, you tried again to get the job it did not work,
    we need AN OUSIDER OF POLITIC WHO CAN LEAD ALL PEOPLE TOWARD SUCCESSFULL JOB OR BUSINESS OR POLITIC IF HE NEED HELP ON DETAILS NO PROBLEM HE CAN PICK HIS GROUP,
    THEY WILL BE THE BEST AND THE SMARTEST for AMERICA he love totaly meaning no reservation,
    he is your guy,
    i have been on his neck for a while and i know he is the one who can bring back the PRIDE OF AMERICA
    among the PEOPLE, HE THINK FAST AND RIGHT ON THE DOT,
    GO GET HIM, IT WILL REFRESH FROM THE TALKING POLITIC WITHOUT PUTING ACTION TO WORDS,
    HE WON’T BEGETATE INTO WORDS, BUT HE WILL ACTIONATE HIS WORDS, AND THAT IS NEEDED
    THE MOST AT THIS TIME,
    CAVUTO FOR PRESIDENT, YOU WILL HAVE TO CONVINCE HIM,
    THAT YOU WANT HIM,
    THIS AMERICA DESERVE THE BEST MAN, HE WILL DELIVER,
    GO GET HIM, HE WILL BE SURPRISE AS HE DOESN’T EXPECT
    THE PRESIDENCY,
    DON’T WASTE ANY TIME, GET THE BALL ROLING, FOR CAVUTO,

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  29. Redteam says: 129

    @retire05:

    And for those who say “well, they should have sold them the cake/flowers” it’s more than that. It’s not only the product, but the delivery of the product and the services that go with setting up the product.

    So true. While I am in agreement that the ‘right to refuse service to anyone’ should not be used to discriminate, i.e., you can’t refuse service to someone because of race. There are other freedoms that you should be allowed to exercise. Such as, if I own a Christian book store, I should not be required to sell Muslim books, or you shouldn’t be forced to cater to practitioners of differents practices or religions, such as catering to gay ceremonies. I can tell you that if a gay guy came into my place (caterers for weddings) and wanted my services, first I would explain to him that I didn’t endorse gay weddings and preferred to not provide that service for him, but that the law required me to, so if he insisted, I would but that he might not be satisfied with my service. I would recommend a company that did cater to gays. Then, if he still insisted, I would make sure he got the maximum charges for everything and the poorest service I could legally get by with (without expecting a suit)

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  30. Redteam
    the GAIS ARE NOT A RELIGIOUS GROUP, who sais that are wrong,
    AND IF YOU REFUSE THEY GO OUT LOUD AND YELL OF DISCRIMATION,
    AND THE LEADER TAKE THEIR SIDE, and not the side of the one who refuse,
    which he has right to his freedom too, but you don’t hear him complaining of the pressure given and by laws now, that would cost them an arm if they want to ask for their right,
    HEY IF THE DEVIL PERSONIFY COME TO ASK YOU TO REJECT GOD, YOU SAY YES BECAUSE THE LAW
    SAID SO, OBAMA DON’T WANT CHRISTIANS IN PUBLIC PLACE, SO YOU CAN BE THROWN IN PRISON
    FOR obeying the 10 COMMANDS, and PROCLAIM YOUR LOVE FOR GOD OUTSIDE FOR ALL TO HEAR,
    IS IN IT EVIL? I THINK OBAMA IS A DEVIL FOLLOWER BY HIS ACTIONS, AND WORDS,
    THE DEVIL IS AN ARROGANT CINICAL LIAR WHO BELONG TO HIM IS DAMN,
    ARE WE AT THE TIME PREDICTED OF TRIBULATION? IT LOOK LIKE IT, NOBODY CAN OBEY BOTH, YOU ARE A DEVIL FOLLOWER OR GOD, THEIR IS NO MIDDLE,
    NO WANDER ALL IS WRONG IN THESES LAST YEARS,
    THE DEVIL RULE,

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