2008 Election Fraud With New Life?

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The blatant application of political pressure applied through powerful government bureaucracies such as the IRS, is arrogantĀ abuse of power in the extreme. Obviously. These proven abuses now provide us very fresh perspectives on other fraudulent manifestations of National import perpetrated by an immoral political machine whose genealogy is rooted in Chicago.

A major such event which the MSM has willfully refused to cover before, during and after its denouement, is the conviction of two Democratic political operatives convicted in aĀ fraud which put Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the presidential primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election. Democratic officials and workers had been ordered to fake names and signatures that Obama and Clinton needed to qualify for the presidential race. Ā This significant story which began in 2008, well before the Presidential campaign, remained in the shadows and continues to remain there, but it has culminated inĀ  April of this year with,

“Former longtime St. Joseph County Democratic party Chairman Butch Morgan Jr. Ā was found guilty ofĀ felony conspiracy counts to commit petition fraud and forgery, and former county Board of Elections worker Dustin Blythe was found guilty of felony forgery counts and falsely making a petition, after being accused of fakingĀ petitions that enabled Obama, then an Illinois Senator, to get on the presidential primary ballot for his first run for the White House.”

After only three hours of deliberation the political minions were found guilty on all counts.Ā Ā Morgan has been called the ‘mastermind’ behind the operation. Ā Really? He and his crew risked their lives just because they believed Obama might be a great President? That is what we are Ā to swallow as motivation? Ā Given the recent IRS revelations, there is no credibility in the claim that Morgan did not get orders from much higher up the Democratic food chain. Ā We can no longer apply any specks of credence to investigations digging through the political gutters of the Democratic machine. None is deserved.

Here’s the crux of the solemnity with which this fraud must be assessed:

Indiana State law required candidates to collect 500 signatures from each of nine congressional districts. Clinton had 704, andĀ Obama had 534 (just 34 above the tread-water line). Ā 9 of Obama’s petition pages were forged – each page had 10 names, therefore 90 names rendered worthless would have dropped him wellĀ below the 500 limit. Ā Clinton had 13 petitions forged (x 10 =130 fakes), but that would have left Clinton well above the 500 limit. Had this information surfaced in time, Obama would have been bounced from the ballot, so who knows what might have occurred to the Obama Chicago political machine. Ā Clinton would have received all 72 delegates, and would have had the wind at her back with a very dark cloud looming over the Obama campaign. Ā The details didn’t surface until 2011 whenĀ Board of Registration worker Lucas Burkett decided to put on a whistleblower coat.

The only humorous element in this dismal saga of fraud is that if we examine some of the pages of signatures, it is laughably obvious that the same ‘hand’ signed all the signatures on numerous pages, with the same pen.

The ramifications of this story in the aftermath of scandals swirling around the Oval Office and seething out its windows, will likely be, well, nothing. Ā  You cannot find dishonourable mention of anything remotely connected to this proven fraud in any of the liberal progressive media. Ā The NYT seems never to have heard of this truly outrageous event in American political history, and neither have any of the other major news outlets, other than Fox News.

Barack Obama in Elkhart,IN 2-9-09_4

These convictions did more than put into question the 2008 nomination of Barack Obama, they shake the foundation of the 2008 Presidential election outcome. Ā Regardless how high in the Democratic Party this deception really began, it will not touch Obama. None of these scandals will, it seems. Ā He just doesn’t know anything about any of them. He was out for lunch that day, and that day, and that one. Ā  The crickets are deafening.

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A minor nit-pick. I’m not so sure the “with the same pen” is significant. If you’ve ever been cornered by a petitioner, everyone who signs usually uses the same pen- the petitioner’s. The same hand, well that’s another matter. šŸ˜‰ Typical leftoid tactics.

And this is a surprise? LBJ resurrected an entire graveyard, with the help of George Parr in Duval County, Texas, in order to win his Senate campaign- Dems have done this for ye ars.

In 2008, I watched the Democrat primaries in Texas. I was getting my election results from the state website. By the time I went to bed, Hillary Clinton was the clear winner, taking over 100,000 votes more than Obama. The next morning, I check with RealClearPolitics and it showed Obama the clear winner, giving him more primary votes than Hillary. So I sent an email to RCP and told them their figures were wrong, and that Hillary had taken over 100,000 votes more than Obama as had been certified by the State of Texas.

I won’t go into the hateful email I received back (basically telling me that their numbers were correct and I was nothing more than a dumb hick who had no right to dispute the RCP results.)

So yes, Hillary took Texas in 2008 but a strange thing happened on the way to the caucuses. Hillary supporters were shut out. In some counties, like Limestone, Hillary supporters were denied entry to the caucuses and the Obama thugs were working the lines, not allowing anyone to enter that didn’t support Obama. Sign in sheets were “altered” to reflect a wide majority for Obama. Hillary supporters knew by the next evening they had just seen massive fraud in the Texas caucuses.

In Ohio, it has been proven that one in five registered voters were not qualified to be registered. But Ohio was a key state, necessary for Obama to defeat Romney. Is there any doubt of the vote fraud that went on in Ohio in 2012? Nope.

But none of that matters anymore. Today, the SCOTUS ruled that under the Motor Voter Act, Arizona has no right to require proof of citizenship to be able to register to vote in Arizona. With the Democrats pushing the Illegal Stimulus Bill (from the Gang of 8) any illegal who has a valid address where they can receive mail will be able to register to vote anywhere in the U.S., no citizenship required. By November, 2014, Democrats via groups like LULAC and LaRaza, will have registered 5-10 million new Democrat voters.

The United States no longer exists as it was designed. Welcome to the USSA.

Well, no wonder Obama is pulling 1913 laws out of mothballs just to shush up whistleblowers.
The Chicago thug depends on everyone with any knowledge at all to stay quiet – for their own good.
Apparently Obama doesn’t have enough of ”other people’s money,” to buy the quiet of every potential whistleblower.
But he did try.

imagine his legacy , what it will tell,
so many of it, he will have to move out of AMERICA which will turn on him
as much as they accepted him.
that’s what a crowd do, and the same crowd, the one he thought loyal to him,

@retire05, #3:

In Ohio, it has been proven that one in five registered voters were not qualified to be registered.

Really? I’m calling that statement total bullshit. Let’s see a link to the evidence.

Greg
retire05 is not bulshiter like you are many times,
he has prove to be credible and know his story.

@Greg:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html

And here’s the money quote from the article, Greggie:

What can Ohioā€™s chief elections official, Secretary of State Jon Husted, do to clean up the voter rolls?

Not enough, he says.

In a Feb. 10 letter, he asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for a personal meeting to discuss how to balance seemingly conflicting federal laws so he could pare Ohioā€™s dirty voter list without removing truly eligible voters.

ā€œCommon sense says that the odds of voter fraud increase the longer these ineligible voters are allowed to populate our rolls,ā€ Husted said. ā€œI simply cannot accept that.ā€

Holderā€™s office has never replied.

When contacted last week by The Dispatch about Hustedā€™s letter, a U.S. Department of Justice spokesman who did not wish to be identified by name said, ā€œThe department declines comment.ā€

You see, Greggie, there are two things important here: #1, Eric Holder is not interested in the integrity of voter rolls. He’s only interested in suing states that try to maintain integrity to force them to continue to allow voter fraud and #2, it is always better to let people think you are a fool than for you to constantly prove it.

JR, I heard this report on Indiana while driving through the mountains of BC. Yes, news of the messiah’s miscreant tendencies is reaching the Canadian Liberals and Socialists, at least the honest ones, the ideological driven Leftists are still inventing lies and excuses for Obama. They Leftists with integrity no longer speak in awe of Obama; now, they ask me, “What the hell is going on down there?”

When a reputation is built upon fraud, hyperbole, and corruption, failure is inevitable; unfortunately, his house of cards waited until after the election to fall apart.

With voter fraud written into our law as an inalienable right of Democrats, the only devices that can defeat them is their own endemic corruption and the resultant disgusts of the independent voter and the Leftist with integrity.

@retire05, #9:

We’ve gone through the fractured right-wing logic of inflated voter rolls before, and more than once. Rolls are inflated. They’re inflated because many states have had no mechanisms whereby registered voters are removed from the rolls when they move from one area to another. Some states haven’t even bothered to cross-match state death reports with local registration records. When you let such things go on for years, inflated rolls are the inevitable result.

Those who assert that voter fraud is rampant—generally angry republicans, who seem to have enormous difficulty believing that a majority of voters could possibly be rejecting theirattitudes and intentions, regardless of what polls suggest—invariably equate inflated rolls and registration irregularities with actual voter fraud. They assume that every name that incorrectly appears on a roll equates to one fraudulent vote—which of course will always be a democratic vote.

That might be a useful political conclusion, but it’s totally goofy. Voter fraud has never been demonstrated to exist on a large scale in any recent national election, despite herculean efforts to find it. Infrequent instances are found.

If registration problems worry you, clean up the damn rolls. If you don’t want to encounter resistance when you do so, I suggest you undertake this project immediately after elections, rather than trying to work up hysteria about it immediately before. Otherwise, it looks suspiciously like a voter suppression strategy. (It looks that way in many places because that’s exactly what it has actually been.)

So far as Butch Morgan, Jr goes, he was investigated and convicted. That’s what’s supposed to happen when you break the law, regardless of your political affiliation. Why it was deemed necessary to forge signatures is beyond me. Sufficient could have been collected without resorting to that.

Indiana is my home state. While I don’t agree with the prevailing political sentiments here, I do consider Indiana a good model of how voting should be properly conducted. Positive photo I.D. is required and is carefully checked. Your signature is required beside your name on the voter roll. Votes are electronically tabulated, but paper ballots are used and retained. They go in a lock box. Observers closely monitor the entire process.

My Indiana drivers license, btw, complies with the Real ID Act of 2005. I had to provide proof of identity and citizenship to get it. My data was run through Homeland Security. My license has biometric and anti-forgery features. I showed it when I voted. It’s interesting how many red states—supposedly concerned about the rampant levels of voter fraud, citizenship issues, etc—have passed legislation resisting Real ID requirements. Inconsistent?

@retire05: The “Texas two step” of 2008 saw an open primary won narrowly by HRC followed immediately by a series of caucuses won narrowly by BHO . Cumulative results sent an almost evenly split # of delegates to Dem. Convention.
Note In Open Primary Rush called loudly for registered Repubs. to vote for HRC in an attempt to derail BHO’s momentum. Did you heed his clarion call?

@Greg:

Really? Iā€™m calling that statement total bullshit. Letā€™s see a link to the evidence.

Any evidence to counter her’s or did her and anticsrocks prove your statement to be total bullshit? Speaking of evidence, any such evidence about your Romney tax evasion accusation from 8 months or so ago?

James Raider
SKOOKUM
is thinking on his next story from the wilderness, in that early morning
you see bears and deers wolves and pheasants and the mountain goats the male come first,
and you roll up your window, I have been there and it’s exhilarating those so tall trees touching almost the heaven,
what memorys SKOOK must have and how many stories more will he give us,
when he come back home.
bye

@Greg:

retire05, #9:

Weā€™ve gone through the fractured right-wing logic of inflated voter rolls before, and more than once. Rolls are inflated. Theyā€™re inflated because many states have had no mechanisms whereby registered voters are removed from the rolls when they move from one area to another. Some states havenā€™t even bothered to cross-match state death reports with local registration records. When you let such things go on for years, inflated rolls are the inevitable result.

So your excuse for the lack of integrity in the voter rolls is that the states either a) don’t have the personnel to achieve the task or b) they are just flat out incompetent? Wow! That seems to be the typical Democrat excuse these days.

Those who assert that voter fraud is rampantā€”generally angry republicans, who seem to have enormous difficulty believing that a majority of voters could possibly be rejecting theirattitudes and intentions, regardless of what polls suggestā€”invariably equate inflated rolls and registration irregularities with actual voter fraud. They assume that every name that incorrectly appears on a roll equates to one fraudulent voteā€”which of course will always be a democratic vote.

Vote fraud, while not widely reported by the lap dog media, has been rampant since JFK stole the election from Nixon with help from the unions, and the Italian mob, that Bobby Kennedy eventually turned on.

That might be a useful political conclusion, but itā€™s totally goofy. Voter fraud has never been demonstrated to exist on a large scale in any recent national election, despite herculean efforts to find it. Infrequent instances are found.

I suggest you do some more research. You can start with Hidalgo County, Texas.

If registration problems worry you, clean up the damn rolls.

That is exactly what True The Vote attempted to do. And what did they get for their efforts to protect the integrity of the vote, especially in Sheila Jackson-Lees’ district? The IRS audited them, the FBI, EPA and ATF persecuted them. TTV is truly non-partisan. I would think, as a liberal, Greggie, you would want to clean up the voter rolls, and maintain the integrity of the vote, because most voter fraud happens in minority districts and precincts. Do you not care that minorities are having their vote disenfranchised due to voter fraud?

Indiana is my home state. While I donā€™t agree with the prevailing political sentiments here, I do consider Indiana a good model of how voting should be properly conducted. Positive photo I.D. is required and is carefully checked. Your signature is required beside your name on the voter roll.

Greggie, you never fail to amaze at how little you know. Indiana’s voter registration form is on line. You can print it out and send it to the voter registration office in a) the county where you reside or b) the Indiana Election Division. Now, perhaps you would like to tell me on which line it requires you to provide (as you said) “Positive photo I.D.?”
Oh, wait, it doesn’t.

Line 13: Provide your 10-digit Indiana issued driver’s license number. If you do not possess an Indiana driver’s license, then provide the last 4 digits of your social security number here. Next to that it says “Driver’s license number, Social Security number, NONE”

And wait, the State of Indiana even explains that further:

Box 13: Voter Identification Number In Box 13, you are required to provide your Indiana driver’s license number as issued by the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles. If you do not have an Indiana driver’s license, provide the last four digits of your social security number. If you do not have an Indiana driver’s license, or a social security number, a voter identification number will be assigned to you.

So all of this

My Indiana drivers license, btw, complies with the Real ID Act of 2005. I had to provide proof of identity and citizenship to get it. My data was run through Homeland Security.

is just more Greggie b/s.

Kim Jung Il can print the application off the internet in Indiana, fill out the form, claim no driver’s license or social security number and still be registered to vote. All that is required is an address where the voter registration card will be sent and not returned to the Indiana Election Division as undeliverable and bingo! you are registered to vote. And what is to prevent someone who claims no driver’s license and no social security numbers to register to vote in a number of different districts as long as they can have addresses where their mail is received?

NOWHERE ON THE INDIANA VOTER REGISTRATION FORM IS PHOTO I.D. REQUIRED.

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/2403.htm

@James Raider: The sun’s up and it’s time to be up and moving.

@retire05, #17:

Does your own state happen to be one of those that has strongly resisted Real ID requirements?

@Greg:

No, Greggie; my state happens to be one of those states whose elected representatives voted for, and passed into law, Voter I.D. laws to end the disenfranchisement of minority voters due to fraud, only to be sued by Obama’s DoJ and to lose in court. The DoJ’s argument? Minority voters would be disenfranchised because they can’t afford to get a photo I.D., even though my state is a minority majority state. Never mind that you cannot rent a movie from Blockbuster without a photo I.D.

As I said, and you would admit if you were honest (which you have never been), the Democrats want to continue voter fraud. It’s how they win elections. Do they care that blacks and Hispanics have their votes cancelled out because of groups like LaRaza and ACORN who used the same tactics I outlined in post #17 to register people more than once? No, not as long as they can put in those loyal lemmings who will support them.

@retire05, #20:

My mistake. I was under the erroneous impression that you lived in Texas.

@Greg:

I do live in Texas. And we passed a Voter I.D. law that would require a photo I.D. to cast a ballot. Our law was no more, no less than what other states have passed but because we are still bound by Section 5, a 60 year old rule that no longer should apply to Texas being a minority majority state, the Obama DoJ refused to allow the law to take affect.

The proof demanded by the DoJ that there was a acceptable number of minorities in Texas who had a photo I.D. was absurd. Any natural born, or naturalized citizen of the U.S. in Texas can get a FREE photo I.D. The DoJ asked for a list of every Hispanic in Texas and wanted to know if they had a photo I.D. The DoJ claimed that a larger number of Hispanics in Texas were without a photo I.D. but included ILLEGALS in their count.

Voter fraud is rampant in Texas, especially in the area we call “the Valley” where there has been vote “mining” to get Democrats elected. And apparently, there are a lot of Democrats willing to steal elections in your wonderful state of Indiana.

@retire05:

Vote fraud, while not widely reported by the lap dog media, has been rampant since JFK stole the election from Nixon with help from the unions, and the Italian mob, that Bobby Kennedy eventually turned on.

Vote fraud reaches much farther back in history than the JFK/Nixon election. Not too long after paper ballots began to be used, judges at the polls had to keep a carefull eye out for individuals dropping multiple ballots in the box. It also was not uncommon for a judge himself to stuff the ballot box. By the mid 19th century, it was common for the major parties to have pre-printed ballots with their party ticket’s candidates inked in, and for them to hand them out to voters entering the polls. (This is one of the reason why such party partisans are banned in many localities from hanging out within a certain distance from poll entrances.)

The Election Fraud of 1860

t the Presidential election of the year 1860, the candidates for President of the United States were the following: Republican nominee, Abraham Lincoln; nominee of the Baltimore Convention (Regular Democratic), Stephen A. Douglass; nominee of the Charleston Convention (Bolting Democratic), John C. Breckenridge; nominee of the Constitutional Union party, John Bell. In the state of New York a fusion of the friends of Douglass, Breckenridge and Bell was effected, and a single electoral ticket run in opposition to Mr. Lincoln. This fusion ticket was divided in this wise: eighteen electors were the avowed supporters of Mr. Douglass, seven favored Mr. Breckenridge and ten were for Mr. Bell. Much fraud prevailed at the election on the sixth day of November, and at the registration prior thereto and therefore.

In the Third ward a scrutiny made by the Republicans detected sixty-three names registered in a single Election district, with no persons to represent them. In one instance the two boys of an Irish widow the one being six and the other seven years of age were registered without the knowledge either of the mother or sons. In the Twelfth ward, five hundred out of the thirty-five hundred names on the registers represented no legal voters. In the Fifteenth ward many fraudulent registrations were unearthed. In the Seventh ward, nine hundred and thirty-five (935) names were found upon the registers, for which there were no persons in existence at the places which had been given as their residences. Vacant lots and uninhabited buildings, were freely claimed as places of abode by those who caused fictitious names to be registered. A few days before the election, arrangements were made by some of the Democratic leaders to bring from Philadelphia, on the three days immediately preceding the election, several hundred men to vote in the Third or lower Congressional district where the candidates for a seat in the National House of Representatives were Amor J. Williamson, Republican, Benjamin Wood, Regular Democrat, and John Y. Savage, Independent Democrat.

In the aftermath of the Civil War, Southern Democrats used poll taxes, grandfather clauses, and other legal maneuvers (not to mention illegal maneuvers involving the Ku Klux Klan) to keep blacks from getting to the polls. Republicans fought back with the Fourteenth Amendment, which among other things makes race-based voting restrictions illegal.


Dirty Little Secrets : The Persistence of Corruption in American Politics

In the 1844 election, New York City’s 41,000 voters managed to cast 55,000 votes, a 135% turnout.

In 1876, Democratic Presidential candidate Samuel B. Tilden had 184 electoral votes (185 were needed then to win) with four states and 20 electoral votes still in question. Tilden had a substantial lead in Florida, but a Republican-controlled election board there began disualifying hundreds of Democratic votes for dubious reasons, giving the state instead to Rutherford B. Hayes, his Republican opponent. Congress then set up a Republican-led commission to decide the election, and they gave all the remaining electoral votes to Hayes, denying Tilden the one vote he needed to win.

Vote selling first became popular in the late 1800’s. It became so prevalent in some places that in 1910 a judge in Adams County, Ohio convicted 1,679 people, more than 25% of the voters there, of selling their votes. Inquiries showed that 85% of the couny’s voters had bought or sold votes at some time in their lives.

In 1941 a young Congressman named Lyndon Johnson was elected in a tight election that came down to the vote count forVoting Box 13 in Alice, Texas. A few days after the election the official in chage of Box 13 “found” 203 additional votes, 202 of them for Johnson. Stangely all 203 of these citizens voted in alphabetical order and used the same pen. Johnson won the election by 87 votes statewide.

Claims by the left that requiring an ID disenfranchises larges numbers of voters is patently false:

Surveys of registered voters have shown the exact opposite of the Brennan Center study: American University found that less than one-half of 1 percent of registered voters in Maryland, Indiana, and Mississippi lacked a government-issued ID. A 2006 survey of more than 36,000 voters found that only 23 people in the entire sample would be unable to vote because of an ID requirement….

…The Brennan Center survey didnā€™t ask whether people had IDs; it asked whether IDs were ā€œreadily available.ā€ And the question about citizenship documentation asked whether respondents had access ā€œin a place where you can quickly find it if you had to show it tomorrow,ā€ even though elections are not scheduled on such a short-term basis. This was obviously intended to skew the results. The survey also failed to ask whether respondents had student IDs, which are acceptable under many state laws, or tribal IDs, which are acceptable in some states, including Georgia and Arizona. On one question, 14 percent of respondents were so confused that they said they had both a U.S. birth certificate and naturalization papers.

The weakness of the case against voter ID has been much in evidence in courtrooms. The Indiana and Georgia voter-ID laws were upheld by state and federal courts. In the Georgia case, the federal court pointed out that after two years of litigation, none of the plaintiffs, including the NAACP, could produce a single otherwise eligible voter who did not have a photo ID or could not easily obtain one.

@Greg: 12

Theyā€™re inflated because many states have had no mechanisms whereby registered voters are removed from the rolls when they move from one area to another. Some states havenā€™t even bothered to cross-match state death reports with local registration records. When you let such things go on for years, inflated rolls are the inevitable result

Greg, think about the logic of your argument. We’ve got these ‘grossly’ inflated voter registration rolls, from never deleting people that move away and people that die, etc. That means that in reality, the number of actual registered persons are less than the number of people that are registered. Then how come ‘more’ people voted than were registered in OHIO. Many precincts turned out over 100% and all for Dimocrats. Just wondering Greggie if you ever even think about the logic of what you write.

@Redteam:

If he is really concerned, perhaps Greg should be complaining to Holder’s Justice Department and the Democratic party, who have all worked hard to stop states from culling their voter rolls of mortally expired and nonresident voters.

Redteam
you nailed it,
it’s the logic I like,
they are guilty as hell.