13 Sep

Ambassador Steven’s blood is on Obama’s hands [Reader Post]

                                       

US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens’ fate was determined by Barack Obama.

Obama set these events into motion when he decided Moammar Gaddfi had to go. Gaddafi’s overthrow resulted in the disappearance of countless weapons, including RPG’s and stingers.

Hundreds of surface-to-air missiles have gone missing from Libyan arms depots since the fall of the Gaddafi regime, according to reports.

Around 480 Russian SA-24 man-portable missiles, along with SA-7s and SA-9s, were said to be missing from a commercial storage unit in Tripoli after being moved from the headquarters of Khamis al-Gaddafi’s 32nd Brigade in the early stages of the conflict.

Around 12,000 land mines were also said to have gone missing, and there are fears that the weapons could be used to arm al-Qaida in Africa or the Gaddafi regime in exile.

In April there were reports that pickup trucks had transported SAM-7s, machine guns and RPGS from Libya to Chad and Niger to the South en route to Al-Qaida fighters in Mali.

“The problem is pretty huge. There are around 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in Libya and a hell of a lot of them are missing,” Peter Bouckaert, Human Rights Watch’s emergencies director told The Independent.

And Al Qaida was grateful for that:

A leading member of an al Qaeda-affiliated terror group indicated the organization may have acquired some of the thousands of powerful weapons that went missing in the chaos of the Libyan uprising, stoking long-held fears of Western officials.

“We have been one of the main beneficiaries of the revolutions in the Arab world,” Mokhtar Belmokhtar, a leader of the north Africa-based al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb [AQIM], told the Mauritanian news agency ANI Wednesday. “As for our benefiting from the [Libyan] weapons, this is a natural thing in these kinds of circumstances.”

The claim comes just days after the United Nations Security Council unanimously adopted a resolution calling on Libya and its neighbors to secure the loose weapons — including some 20,000 man-portable surface-to-air missiles — before they could fall into the hands of terrorists. The resolution specifically mentioned AQIM as a dangerous potential beneficiary.

So many weapons were procured by Al Qaida that is was able to take much of Mali:

Meanwhile, the fall of Gaddafi caused his arms dumps to be thrown open, flooding Libya with illegal weapons. Unsurprisingly, extremists from across the region seized their opportunity. “Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,” the North African branch of bin Laden’s terror network, plundered this new source of weapons, becoming so well armed that it was able to capture 300,000 square miles of Mali earlier this year, in concert with local allies.

Libyan weapons have turned up as far away as Nigeria, flowing into the hands of Boko Haram, one of the most dangerous extremist groups in Africa. Israel believes that Libyan guns have even been smuggled into the Gaza Strip. As an unintended consequence of Gaddafi’s downfall, radicals from Algeria to Nigeria – and from Mali to the Sinai Peninsula – have become better armed and more dangerous.

There were warning signs of the impending attack. al-Zawahiri promised retaliation for the loss of his lieutenant:

Ayman al-Zawahiri mourned the death of a leading commander from Libya and urged his followers to puncture the “arrogance” of the “evil empire, America”.

This taped missive first appeared on jihadist websites on Monday. On Tuesday, an armed assault claimed the lives of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his colleagues.

This sequence suggests there could have been more to the bloodshed in Benghazi than a spontaneous demonstration against a YouTube film that escalated out of control. It seems unlikely that an attack could have been planned and executed so quickly in direct response to Zawahiri’s words. But the evidence shows that armed groups in Benghazi have been trying to kill the representatives of Western countries for some time.

On June 11, a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at Sir Dominic Asquith, the British ambassador, as he drove through the city. He was unscathed, but two of his bodyguards were injured. Britain responded by closing its diplomatic office in Benghazi and withdrawing all UK staff. Five days earlier, unknown assailants had thrown an improvised explosive device at the gates of the US consulate in the middle of the night, causing no injuries.

Jihadis threatened to burn down the US Embassy in Egypt:

According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the "Blind Sheikh"], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”

Then during the attack Obama’s new best friends in Libya apparently gave Stevens up:

According to a CBS News report updated at 8:39 am Eastern time Wednesday, the Libyan security forces hired to protect the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya moved Ambassador Chris Stevens to a second building within the consulate, then told the militant crowds where he was:

Wanis al-Sharef, a Libyan Interior Ministry official in Benghazi, said the four Americans were killed when the angry mob, which gathered to protest a U.S.-made film that ridicules Islam’s Prophet Muhammad, fired guns and burned down the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

He said Stevens, 52, and other officials were moved to a second building, deemed safer, after the initial wave of protests at the consulate. According to al-Sharef, members of the Libyan security team seem to have indicated to the protesters the building to which the American officials had been relocated, and that building then came under attack.
Stevens, 52, was the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979.

Yet despite all this Obama did not even provide Stevens with a Marine guard:

The consulate where the American ambassador to Libya was killed on Tuesday is an “interim facility” not protected by the contingent of Marines that safeguards embassies, POLITICO has learned.

Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed with three other Americans in an attack on the U.S. consulate in the city of Benghazi, where Libyan rebels ousted strongman Moammar Qadhafi last year.

Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Kendra Motz said that Marines were not posted to the consulate, unlike the embassy in the capital, Tripoli.

A defense official told POLITICO on Wednesday that the Pentagon is sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.

A senior administration official Wednesday called the Benghazi consulate “an interim facility,” which the State Department began using “before the fall of Qadhafi.” It was staffed Tuesday by Libyan and State Department security officers. The consulate came under fire from heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at about 10 p.m. local time on Tuesday. By the time the attack ended several hours later, four Americans were dead and three others had been injured.

The Benghazi consulate had “lock-and-key” security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies. The intelligence source contrasted it with the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt – “a permanent facility, which is a lot easier to defend.” The Cairo embassy also was attacked Tuesday.

And they knew Stevens was coming

As for the theory that the fatal incident was sparked by the YouTube video, no other protests of this kind are known to have occurred elsewhere in Libya. No mob gathered outside the US Embassy in Tripoli, the usual base of Chris Stevens, the late ambassador which, on the face of it, would have been a more logical target. Instead, the focus of the anger was the consulate in Benghazi, at a time when Mr Stevens happened to be visiting.

While Stevens was being dragged through the streets of Benghazi, Barack Obama was partying it up with Jay-Z and Beyonce.

Shockingly, Obama decided to attack Mitt Romney before he condemned the attacks on the Embassies.

Obama hasn’t had a security briefing in a week. Maybe things could have been different had he paid attention.

There is no excuse for this. Barack Obama was negligent. He’s put his fund raisers and his re-election campaign before anything- including the security of Americans. He’s too busy for that.

Obama has Chris Stevens’ blood on his hands, not Mitt Romney.

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110 Responses to Ambassador Steven’s blood is on Obama’s hands [Reader Post]

  1. Enchanted says: 52

    @Greg:

    If I am not mistaken the current president of the United States is obama. This debacle is the responsibility of obama , and no one else. IF Romney was President at this time, it would be a different story and in fact I would bet the outcome would have been a lot differently. (do I really know this? no, but in my heart I can believe it would be different) Don’t you see what is happening? All of barry’s bowing and kissing ass to our enemies and dissing of our allies is now coming to fruition. The radical islamic muslims know that barry will do nothing because he has already professed his allegiance and that belongs to the muslims. What is additionally sickening is the media. They are covering for barry at every turn and yet are too damn stupid to realize that when they, the useful idiots have fulfilled his wishes will be shut down too. I want my country back and through Gods good graces it will happen come November. – and I am not ashamed to say I believe in God and have faith – and if you or anyone else is offended – too bad.

    As I mentioned in a previous thread, I am tolerant no more.

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  2. Aqua says: 53

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim:

    We don’t have hard facts. The attack occurred on … when? … 9/11. Were there generic warnings about generic threats against US assets on 9/11? I can’t imagine that there weren’t. Were there similar threats every year for the past 10 years? Probably. Were the embassies adequately guarded? They thought so. Did either Obama or Clinton micromanage the security? Doubtful. Should they have micromanaged the security? No, they aren’t qualified. Do they rely on security experts? Yes. What were they told by both security experts and by intelligence (beyond the same old/same old generic warnings)? We don’t know.

    Larry, it’s pretty tough to deny that Obama has missed over 50% of is intelligence briefings. If we knew nothing else, this would be pretty damning. And although it may not be the president’s job to micromanage security at the embassies, it is his job to ensure all steps have been taken to make sure this happens. If there was a credible threat of attacks, these should have been addressed and dealt with at the intelligence briefings.

    The Revolutionary War was a bargain, wasn’t it? A bit more than a billion dollars and we got a whole new country out of it.

    I’m pretty tired of the wars. I think we should pull all of our troops out of the ME. Lindsey Graham and John McCain can go pound sand, I don’t like either of them anyway. Just issue a blanket statement; we’ll leave you alone, but if you so much as flinch in our direction, we’ll bomb your a$$es even further into the stone ages. No troops on the ground, just hell from the air.

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  3. liberal1(objectivity) says: 54

    Funny, but most Libyans seem to be grateful to the US for helping overthrow Gaddafi. (Search ‘Libyans grateful to US for helping overthrowing Gaddafi’ for pictures of pro-American/anti-Al Quaida demonstrations.)

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  4. Enchanted says: 55

    @Richard Wheeler:

    however Rubio is not natural born and cannot run. – being from Florida and having done some research Rubio will never get past the scrutiny of his past efforts. He has a lot of skeltons in his closet.

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  5. JustAl says: 56

    @liberal1(objectivity):
    If you like that, I’m sure this will bring you pure joy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmjq9bCbcNw

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  6. another vet says: 57

    @johngalt: I concur with your entire statement. Those responsible need to be hunted down and eliminated along with anyone else who kills American citizens. The violence shows no signs of subsiding. Until we become energy independent, or least a lot less dependent on that part of the world for our energy to the point where we can pretty much disengage from the ME, there will be more incidents like these. Not everyone over there is a nut job. I worked with a lot of good Muslims during both of my tours in Iraq and as well as both in the Balkans. They were more supportive of us than some Americans were and some paid the ultimate price for doing so. They don’t want anything to do with the nut jobs either. Most of the people they kill are other Muslims. Unfortunately, that religion as a whole, has more nut jobs than other religions. They want us dead plain and simple and they don’t need an excuse to do it. We must contend with them. All they understand is brute force. Apologizing is a sign of weakness to the nut jobs.

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  7. JustAl says: 59

    @Aye:
    The media like dreaming of the naked muzzie manchild:

    http://freebeacon.com/vanity-bare/

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  8. joetote says: 60

    “We are not at war with Islam” as per the Bozo in the White house! Until everyone gets their heads out of their butts and realize that Islam is at war with the West this will continue! BTW: I really haven’t seen much as to statements from the so-called moderate Muslims! Oops! Usually don’t either when these things occur. Silence is also a telling response!

    Note: There was a 48 hour warning and words of a security breach. And we have word that in Egypt the ambassador did not allow the Marines to have loaded weapons. We have apologies as to a film that is only being used as an excuse by both the scum bag Islamists and Obama and his media lapdogs! And of course, right before this happened we have the disclosure that the current resident (It disgusts me to even call him a President.) can’t even be bothered to attend the daily intelligence meetings! He’l meet with the radical Muslim Brotherhood but not the Prime Minister of Israel? What is wrong with this picture?

    Moron Alert! It was 9/11! How can anyone believe for one moment this wasn’t planned? And where was the leadership? As usual no where to be found! Oops! Wrong there. He was either campaigning, golfing or as it really seems had his head buried up the rears of his Muslim brethren!

    “I will stand with the Muslims if the political winds shift in an ugly direction” His words on page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope”! Well hells bells kids. His lack of leadership and foresight has cost us not only another four American lives but once again shown the world we are now in fact a country to be laughed at and scorned! We happily throw our allies under the bus and in pure Chamberlain style or worse still Carterspeak apologize for the actions our enemies!

    I mention his media lapdogs above. The below is from Newsbusters and easily shows not only the media bias but in fact how this so called Presdient when he screws up will first and foremost point the finger at anyone or thing other than his own sorry ass!

    JOE SCARBOROUGH: Talk about the conservative critique–and I think it’s a fair critique, the conservative critique: that all you guys in the media were talking about Mitt Romney, you should have talked about the warnings with the embassy, etc., etc. And yes perhaps we should have. But you know who didn’t allow us to do that?

    MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Mitt Romney.

    SCARBOROUGH: Mitt Romney. If Mitt Romney had kept his mouth shut, if he had not acted like a rank amateur, if he had not embarrassed himself–and by the way internally the campaign understands they screwed up, he’s moved on, they know that. So no conservative can say “oh, the mainstream media, blah, blah.” They know how badly they screwed up, and they were having the fight internally before he even went out and did it. But Romney got in the way of the media looking at the president, going, wha-, wha-, what happened here? How did this happen? Now, those questions are going to be asked in the coming weeks. But they weren’t asked in the first 24 hours because Romney was holding this horrific, irresponsible, press conference.

    For the record. I am pissed and in fact close to foaming at the mouth at this minute! I noticed the other day the doctor in Pakistan who still while in prison for helping us get Bin Ladin has the guts to speak out as to the fact that Pakistan IS NOT OUR FRIEND! Just another example of the kind of courage and conviction that this sorry so and so in the White House does not have!

    In using the “film” as cover for these hideous occurrences, our State Department and President are lying to the American people! First, this was planned! Second whether the film is derogatory to Islam or not, our leaders have got to stand for the right of the American citizen to express his views be it words, films or whatever. This is our law! Personally I feel the proof is there that Islam as being practiced and in their own decrees is not only at war with Israel as to wiping them out but in fact with Western civilization! When someone tells you they want you dead, one should take heed. But not the politically correct scum here. No siree! Now our ambassador and 3 others are dead! I’m not sure I would have bene in lock step with Ambassador Stephens views, etc, but it appears this was an honest man who wanted to spread goodwill and his nation’s largesse to the rest of the world. He is a good man who in my view is now dead due to the malfeasance of his boss, the President!

    As always, i once again apologize for the length and tone of this. Readers of this site by now know how I can get sometimes. But this is something that is chilling me to the bone and the more I think about it the angrier I’m getting. For those who are buried in Obama’s you know what, get over it as to my attitude. The facts are clear and cut. This President and his foreign policy (or lack of) is now responsible for the deaths of four Americans! And I for one am extremely pissed!!!!

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  9. JustAl says: 61

    Let’s review:
    1. Russia supports Serbs trying to save their country from muzzies, we bomb Serbs to help muzzies.
    Then we get 9/11/01
    2. Russians put down Chezchen muzzies ruthlessly while we wring our hands and protest.
    Then we get 9/11/01
    3. Russians send ships, troops and weapons to support Assad, we help the muzzies overthrow Libya and Egypt.
    Then we get 9/11/12

    The Russians have met every threat from the muzzies the same way, with brutal, unapologetic force and have never to my knowledge had one of their embassies attacked.

    We meet most threats from the muzzies with promises of new schools, foreign aide and apologies for hurting their feelings, and now, even our embassy in London is attacked.

    Are we suicidal or just stupid?

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  10. another vet says: 62

    This is certain to raise some eyebrows if it pans out. Hopefully it turns out to be some wannbe prankster.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Universit-Texas-evacuation/2012/09/14/id/4518 55

    As for the huge spread in violence today, if it turns out that it was in fact preplanned on the part of AQ and coordinated with its allies as opposed to being spontaneous, it’ll show that contrary to line we have been fed, they are alive, well, and are still a force with significant capabilities. They will have gone from an organization that fell out favor in the Muslim world in a large part due to their antics and subsequent defeat in Iraq, to where they have begun to regain prominence in the Muslim world.

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  11. johngalt says: 63

    @Richard Wheeler:

    J.G. I’m stating what I see. Not cheering it on. The power of incumbancy.

    Really? Then do you agree that the move by Bernanke will put us in an even worse position, economically, than we are in right now? Gas is already hanging around nearly $4/gallon. I wonder what it will top out at when our dollar is devalued further. How about any product made with corn? Many crops already destroyed and others severely stunted. The corn crop this year will be pitiful enough as it is, meaning prices will skyrocket. Add in this stupid QE move, and this will be felt by every consumer in the US.

    Many people realize this, Rich. Unfortunately, it won’t be felt for a while. Not near early enough for the election. The suggested “market increase” you say will happen will just be another fantasy latched onto by the ignorant to claim Obama’s “plan” is working.

    So, you may be right in your assessment. That this will give Obama the needed boost to win. And the QE move has been demanded from Bernanke by the liberal/progressives in the Democratic party. Do you see how disingenuous they are? Or do you need more proof?

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  13. johngalt says: 64

    @another vet:

    It shows more than that, a/v. It would show that AQ and ME governments, especially those run by the MB, are working in concert with each other. That is a very scary proposition. We may soon be asking ourselves if Mubarak and Gaddafi were really all that bad, in comparison.

    To whit, there were some here who have warned of something similar happening. And they were summarily dismissed by our resident liberal/progressives as being coo-coo. Some people will never learn. They are doomed to continue repeating the mistakes of the past, again and again and again.

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  14. retire05 says: 65

    @another vet:

    UT officials have reported that a man with a Middle Eastern accent had told them that there were bombs on campus and they would go off in 90 minutes. The campus was cleared, and the bomb squads have been searching the entire campus which has 2,400 employees and 50, 000 students.

    Also a campus, North Dakota State, I believe, has also received threats and has cleared the campus.

    The threats will continue to come. Only when the radicals do start bombing our nation, there will be no warning.

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  15. johngalt says: 66

    @retire05:

    Considering Obama and his admin don’t recognize Islamic terrorism, or terrorists, and our media covers his ass for him, any attacks will be blamed on home-grown domestic terrorists, probably from the TEA party.

    And we all thought “Baghdad Bob” was out to lunch.

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  16. johngalt says: 67

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim:

    I’m writing to you, John, not because I expect you to agree with anything I say about this, but because your anti-Obama comments on this otherwise sick and disgusting thread do show measures of both reason and humanity.

    My comments were written in response to Dr. J’s assertion that “blood is on Obama’s hands”. You call this an “otherwise sick and disgusting thread”. Where were you the previous day when Greg, Lib1, and Rich placed “blood on the hands” of the film-maker? No doubt working. Although your engagement in discussions seems to be very selective now.

    No one, other than the animals who did this, have “blood on their hands”. However, criticism seems warranted, just like it did in the other topic about the film-maker. Obama has sown seeds that are starting to be reaped, Larry. Time will tell how much damage his foreign policy has done, or will do, to our nation.

    Anyone claiming objectivity, and not partisan-ship, should be criticizing Obama at the same time they are criticizing Dr.J for this topic, or criticizing the film-maker for his film, or criticizing Romney for his atrocious timing in making a statement.

    It seems, though, as you are suggesting, by your statements(questions), that Obama is merely an unfortunate recipient of the events that have unfolded over there, and that criticism of Obama’s foreign policies is unwarranted. Do I have that right? Or are you actually reasonable enough to condemn, or criticize, the failures Obama has sown?

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  17. another vet says: 68

    @johngalt:With regards to Libya, that job was left unfinished. I remember it being touted here as a masterpiece because we didn’t put boots on the ground. The best comparison would be Bosnia and Kosovo because all three involved getting involved in another country’s civil war. After the bombing in the Balkans, we put boots on the ground to secure the situation because we became responsible for those countries by impacting the outcome of their civil wars. It wasn’t done in this case. 9/11 showed that Libya is still up for grabs and may very well be in the hands of the bad guys as you pointed out. Like it or not, we are partially responsible for the security situation in Libya. I wonder if this going according to the OPLAN for that operation, if there ever was one. We should have taken out Col. Q IF he was responsible for Pan Am 103, something that was never proven, although likely, and then left the civil war to the Libyans. That would have taken us off the hook, but as the former head of the CIA said a couple of days ago, “You break it, you own it.” It’s hard to believe that the video is responsible for all of this. Whatever the case may be, that part of the world is much worse off today than it was before. Strategically, we have lost ground.

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  18. another vet says: 69

    @retire05: Given our porous borders that no seems to care about and those that do are derided as racists, one can only imagine how many terrorists have infiltrated this country and what their plans are.

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  19. johngalt says: 70

    @another vet:

    Whatever the case may be, that part of the world is much worse off today than it was before. Strategically, we have lost ground.

    And those with their bodies, not just their heads, mind you, but their bodies, so far up Obama’s a**, are not admitting this. I don’t think that they are able to, as Obama, it seems, can do nothing wrong in their eyes.

    One has to wonder if these Obamabots still see Carter’s foreign policy viewpoints and actions, both as President, and as ex-President, as “brilliant”.

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  20. Richard Wheeler says: 71

    J.G. You do know Romney said he would fire Bernanke when elected? Premature I think. This is political. I am not pro QE 3 longterm. Near term it will boost stocks as well as refinancing (where equity exists) and home purchasing. BHO will get a bump. As I’ve said, I am personally undecided till after the debates.
    The shark like feeding frenzy, here at F.A, to say Obama “has blood on his hands” for the tragic deaths in Libya is wrong. But expected.
    Your verbiage is becoming nastier by the day as you’ve joined this group afflicted with ODS. Desperation perhaps John? Kinda sad to witness.

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  21. openid.aol.com/runnswim says: 72

    Hi JohnGalt (#67):

    It seems, though, as you are suggesting, by your statements(questions), that Obama is merely an unfortunate recipient of the events that have unfolded over there, and that criticism of Obama’s foreign policies is unwarranted. Do I have that right?

    Yes, That would be my position. Obama couldn’t have propped up Mubarek and he couldn’t have avoided providing the no fly zone in Libya and supporting the British/French.

    I don’t buy that doing that in Libya means that he was obliged to do it in Syria. The situations are apples and oranges.

    I didn’t see the earlier comments to which you refer, regarding the “filmmaker.”

    – Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

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  22. johngalt says: 73

    @Richard Wheeler:

    The shark like feeding frenzy, here at F.A, to say Obama “has blood on his hands” for the tragic deaths in Lybia is wrong. But expected.
    Your verbiage is becoming nastier by the day as you’ve joined this group.

    Really?

    What about this, from my #37?:

    Sorry Dr. J, but in the vein of being consistent, I cannot agree that Steven’s blood is on Obama’s hands. Just as I couldn’t agree that it is on the film-maker’s hands. The ones who murdered him, and the other three people, made that conscious choice to end the life of another human being.

    Thank you for just LYING about me, Rich.

    I should receive an apology soon, but I’m not going to count on it. Rather, I expect you to spin, twist, and take language out of context. Or silence.

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  23. johngalt says: 74

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim:

    I don’t buy that doing that in Libya means that he was obliged to do it in Syria. The situations are apples and oranges.

    I agree that the situations are different, Larry. But in a sense, they are the same, at least considering the reasoning given by Obama and liberal/progressives for doing what they did in Libya. Me? I don’t know what should have been done in Libya or Egypt. But it seems that Obama’s foreign policy initiatives there are coming home to roost, so to speak. In that sense, he isn’t just an innocent bystander affected by the flare-up over there. Wisdom is knowing when you are wrong, as well as when you are right. Obama has been wrong, his policies made things worse than they were, and neither he, nor the media, nor his Obamabots admit it.

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  24. Nan G says: 75

    @JustAl:
    Ah, but Al, Russia will fall to Sharia soon.
    By some estimates, 45% of all pregnancies in Russia end in abortion.
    Researchers note that the rate among Muslims is significantly lower.
    See Judyth Twigg, “Differential Demographics: Russia’s Muslim and Slavic Populations,” PON ARS Policy Memo No. 388, December 2005.
    Take a look at this Pew graphic on Russia and the future of the Muslim population.
    Note the ethnic Russians are older while the young (under 44) are majority Muslim!

    As in France, despite the percent advantage of the ethnic French, those ethnic Russians are out numbered when you look at a street battle, able-bodied man vs able-bodied man.

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  25. joetote says: 76

    @johngalt: Printing more nonexistant money. end of story. End of conversation. We are bankrupt!!!!

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  26. openid.aol.com/runnswim says: 77

    Hi JohnGalt: (#74). You get the last word here. Thanks. – LW/HB

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  27. Richard Wheeler says: 78

    J. G. re #70 Do I need to point out your “people with their bodies up——. ” Nasty stuff where I was brought up John.

    BTW I didn’t say YOU were in agreement with “BHO has blood on his hands.”
    But you clearly are among those jumping Obama from every angle to bring about his defeat.
    Looks to me at this point like Obama’s gonna get the last laugh in Nov.

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  28. JustAl says: 79

    @Nan G: Very true when looking at today’s demographic trends, but I have to believe Putin see them to. And I don’t sem him accepting those trends are irreversible. Sooner or later, if he lives long enough, I think he’s going to go whole hog on ethnic cleansing. If he can wipe out the areas where he can not achieve local superiority in the street fight the numbers won’t mean that much.

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  29. johngalt says: 80

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim:

    No last word, Larry. As always, it’s nice discussing topics and issues with you. Gotta head to work now. Good day to you.

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  30. johngalt says: 81

    @Richard Wheeler:

    As I said, twist, spin, out of context. But no apology for the lie. Shows what you are really made of, Rich.

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  31. another vet says: 82

    @johngalt: I checked the State Dept.’s travel warnings for Libya. Prior to this, there wasn’t anything out of the ordinary. It was the usual, “there could be demonstrations and hopefully they will be peaceful” type stuff which means this either took people totally off guard or information wasn’t passed on. Given that the violence has now spread to over 20 countries in N. Africa and Asia, I’m wondering if this is spontaneous or as planned as some say. Either there was a serious underestimation of how stable that part of the world is and how radical it is becoming, or there was a serious underestimation of the ability of AQ and its allies to cause this much upheaval. Some serious internal reviews need to be conducted.

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  32. Richard Wheeler says: 83

    J.G. When I lie to you or about you I’ll apologize. In the meantime get off your
    high horse swabbie.

    My intent was to suggest you have joined those with ODS. I agree with you that Obama does not have blood on his hands but disagree about the culpability of the film maker.

    Semper Fi Go Irish

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  33. michelle says: 84

    @joetote: We just need to blow that whole country off the map and deport all Muslims back to their country before they start something here. Bastards.

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  34. joetote says: 85

    @michelle: One thing for sure. We need to stand up as the strongest nation in the world, not keep bending over and taking it where the sun doesn’t shine. In this case and my view the blood is on the hands of Obama! He is supposedly the President as such his pandering and in turn the hatred being spewed towards this country is his fault!

    While I’m on my high horse here I keep noticing we are being warned to “temper our rhetoric” as to the Religion of Peace and so on and so on. Again. Islam is at war with the West! When they finish destroying Israel they will start here. If Mohammed or whatever his name is and his teachings are the cause and effect as to the actions of Islamists, shame on them. But we do not have to put up with it! I’ve though about this alot now and quite frankly I don’t give a damn what people think about my thoughts as Mohammed! The prophet Mohammed, if he preached the horrific gospel these morons are operating under, if his teachings are in fact the catalyst that gives Islamists what they feel is the right to exterminate first the Jews then in turn any other people who do not bow down to them, is not to be respected. In fact he and in turn his followers should be reviled as he and they are in fact no better then any other despot of past history. Isalmists want respect? Then they had better learn to respect all points of view and religions. like I said earlier. Islam is at war with us. in turn we have to be at war with them.

    Fact sometimes is callous, but it is still fact. There comes a time when it is kill or be killed. Michale Savage always makes this point. Put yourself in Israel’s shoes. You have 2 choices. Sit back and do nothing while they come and kill you or fight back before they kill you. We all know what happened in Germany when the Jews followed the first course. Islam has made it very clear they will kill non believer! Take it seriously because they will! Respect Sharia and Islam? Who the hell are they kidding? I have no respect for false prophets amongst other things, be it Mohammed or the phony baloney whatever he thinks he is sitting in the White House.

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  35. drjohn says: 86

    I am simply incredulous at the media’s burying of this story. The flag of Al Qaida flies over the US Embassy in Tunisia and it’s Romney’s fault.

    Jesus Christ.

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  36. Redteam says: 87

    @drjohn:Dr John,

    I am simply incredulous at the media’s burying of this story. The flag of Al Qaida flies over the US Embassy in Tunisia and it’s Romney’s fault.

    Wellllll, only partially. It’s mostly Bush’s fault. I’m just kidding. Of course the blood in on EC’s hands, he’s in the position where the buck is supposed to stop. The man in charge is responsible to make sure it don’t happen again….

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  37. Greg says: 88

    @drjohn, #86:

    I am simply incredulous at the media’s burying of this story. The flag of Al Qaida flies over the US Embassy in Tunisia and it’s Romney’s fault.

    That’s the Romney campaign’s meme of the moment, but it’s a total distortion of the actual issue.

    What happened at the embassy in Libya was not the fault Mitt Romney, nor of Barack Obama.

    Romney has been criticized for attacking an embassy’s conciliatory statement that was likely calculated to reduce their immediate danger, and for attacking a President of the United States for backing that embassy’s call, while the crisis was still evolving.

    That’s the point that the GOP is presently making an orchestrated effort to bury. Turn the clock back a day, and responsible people on the right were defending a widely accepted, non-partisan American principle, and carefully pointing out that Romney had erred.

    The nation’s leaders are supposed to set politics aside and present a united front in a moment of external crisis. That’s the principle. The criticism and the second guessing is supposed to come later, after the immediate danger has passed.

    Barack Obama did not raise a jihadist flag in Tunisia, or anywhere else. He wasn’t the man who threw a match onto a powder keg. That would be someone that there seems to be a weird impulse to ignore, or even hold blameless.

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  38. another vet says: 89

    @Richard Wheeler: Part of the issue here is that the country/administration was taken completely off guard by this. It was more than evident in the initial disjointed responses and by the fact that there weren’t any warnings or beefing up of security around our embassies prior to the events unfolding. This is a pretty big explosion over there. It wasn’t an isolated incident or two. Something, somewhere is broke on the intel/analysis side of the house in order for this to have come as a surprise, regardless if it was out of anger, planned, or a combination thereof. In order to correct the problem so it doesn’t happen again, you first have to admit there is a problem. Not wanting to admit there is a problem because it might make Obama look bad or because of Obama worship, is the wrong answer and is playing politics just as much as claiming he was responsible for the acts instead of those who perpetrated them.

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  39. johngalt says: 90

    @Richard Wheeler:

    J.G. When I lie to you or about you I’ll apologize. In the meantime get off your
    high horse swabbie.

    No, Rich, you lied about me. I caught your words before your edit. You implied that I had joined with those insisting Obama “had blood on his hands”. Anyone can see in my #73 what your comments were.

    Still no apology. Didn’t really expect one. As I said, people see what you are really made of, Rich. Hell, you can’t even own up to mistakes in wording, if that’s what it really was. I don’t buy that, though.

    BTW, your double standard about the film-maker and Obama, and which one “has blood on their hands”, is entirely stupid. Inconsistent. Especially given evidence the attacks and killings likely would have occurred without the film to rile them up.

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  40. drjohn says: 91

    @Aye: It’s unbelievable.

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  41. drjohn says: 92

    @Greg:

    What happened at the embassy in Libya was not the fault Mitt Romney, nor of Barack Obama.

    Bullshit!

    Obama hasn’t had an intel briefing in a week! Everyone tried to warn him. He didn’t take it seriously. He thought his ego could protect Stevens.

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  42. Redteam says: 93

    @Greg:Greg:

    The nation’s leaders are supposed to set politics aside and present a united front in a moment of external crisis. That’s the principle.

    You need to point this out to the EC crowd, they are the ones attempting to put the blood on Romney’s hands.
    Let’s look at events.
    Rioters are getting ready to storm the embassys
    movie comes out about muslims
    Embassy blames problems on movie
    Romney says Embassy is wrong to blame movie, should blame rioters
    rioters storm the embassys
    EC and LSM (lame stream media) blame Romney for saying movie makers have freedom of speech and provoking the riots.
    Meanwhile, EC misses the last 10 daily intelligence briefs, hasn’t heard about problems at embassies
    EC hears about Ambassador being killed, blames it on Romney for advocating free speech.
    LSM continues idolatry of EC and helps him blame Romney.

    That seem about right? If so then the ‘united front’ is there. Everyone is blaming Romney.
    Is there anyone in the world stupid enough to vote for an EC?

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  43. Richard Wheeler says: 94

    J.G. I read your #73. I know you never put blood on BHO’S hands. All your other insults of BHO and in the gutter description of those who support him puts you in the ODS class.That’s my point.
    “People see what you are really made of Rich” Would love to hear what people “see I’m made of”John.

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  44. Redteam says: 95

    @Richard Wheeler: RW

    the ODS class

    For the benefit of the BDS crowd, that should technically now be ECDS

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  45. johngalt says: 96

    @Redteam:

    I’d say that the actual sufferers of ODS are those self-same liberal/progressives who cannot find even the slightest fault with the man, even when it is slapping them silly in the face.

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  46. johngalt says: 97

    @Richard Wheeler:

    So, you admit that I never said anything about Obama having “blood on his hands”. But your initial comment in this topic, as I quoted in #73, shows that your assertion was that I joined the group claiming Obama had “blood on his hands”. All of which boils down to, you place me firmly within the group claiming Obama has “blood on his hands”. Admit the mistake, Rich.

    As for my “verbiage”, as you put it, it may be crude, but it isn’t nasty, or “gutter” language. It is a crude analogy about Greg and his attitude about Obama criticisms. And you claim now that you are relating that, equating it, even, to those who claim Obama has “blood on his hands”? Do you even understand how crazy that sounds?

    But whatever, Rich. I didn’t expect an apology. Not even, really, a realization that your statement might have been worded badly, and a mistake. You want to lump me in with those others? Fine. Maybe next time I’ll find some thing/group to unfairly lump you in with.

    As well, you might want to try some meditation and self-reflection, Rich, on how you are viewing things here. After all, Larry was willing to discuss the issue with me, to the point where he said the following;

    I’m writing to you, John, not because I expect you to agree with anything I say about this, but because your anti-Obama comments on this otherwise sick and disgusting thread do show measures of both reason and humanity.

    And if Larry isn’t one of the mainstays here for reasoned and cordial discussion, then I don’t know who is. Sorry, Rich, but I’ll take Larry’s endorsement of my “anti-Obama” conduct here well before your take on my “nasty verbiage”.

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  47. Smorgasbord says: 98

    Obama hasn’t had a security briefing in a week. Maybe things could have been different had he paid attention.

    But, then he couldn’t HONESTLY say, “I didn’t know.”

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  48. Greg says: 99

    The daily security brief is a document that’s prepared daily for the President to read and consider. I suppose going over the document at daily face to face meetings might be more effective if a president has comprehension problems. In the absence of such difficulties, it’s probably more effective to call together people to deal with any specific items that appear to have particular significance.

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