29 Mar

Trayvon’s girfriend exonerates Zimmerman [Reader Post]

                                       

And the lynching continues.

First, the claims about the video tape.

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What? No bruising visible on the brown man one hour or so after the injury?

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Or does it? Here are my screen caps

Zimmerman does indeed exhibit a head wound

One of the officers examines the wound to see if it is still bleeding

Here’s the funniest image. The police put a Caucasian clown nose on Zimmerman. Or maybe it was a dressing.

There is something on Zimmerman’s nose

The police report says that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head. It says his back was wet and covered with grass. There is nothing about “grass stains.”

We can’t see from this video if there is any remaining blood on Zimmerman’s red and black fleece or his dark grey shirt.

Anyone else notice that the “white Hispanic” George Zimmerman is a lot browner than at first believed?

Now consider these headline from Drudge:

HOODIE ON THE HILL…

VIDEO: Dem Rep Kicked Off House Floor…

Ex-Black Panther…

Another Says Trayvon ‘Hunted Down Like Dog’…

Another: ‘Executed For WWB In A GC’…

Maxine Waters Calls Shooting ‘Hate Crime’…

Now just for laughs I’ll throw this one as well

OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Republicans ‘politicizing’ Trayvon Martin death…

“Hunted down” “Executed”

I don’t think so, and Martin’s girlfriend largely exonerates Zimmerman. She told a reporter this:

“Trayvon said what are you following me for?”

“Then the man said ‘what you doing around here?'”

What would you expect a Neighborhood Watch person to ask?

“What are you doing around here?” It’s exactly what you’d expect him to ask.

Then she asserts that Trayvon is pushed, but there is no evidence to prove that, and it is highly unlikely Zimmerman pushed Martin.

The thing is, they had a conversation. Zimmerman did ask Martin why he was there. Ask yourself- if you ask someone why they’re following you and that person asks you what you’re doing around here, how would you respond? I might be tempted to ask “What’s it to you?” and I would expect Zimmerman to respond that he was part of the Neighborhood Watch. Then I would expect Martin to say that he was headed to his girlfriend’s house. Then I might ask “Where does she live?” and he could have told him in which building she lived. And that should have ended it.

But it didn’t go that way.

Someone did push someone else. But who? Let’s look at this reasonably. If Zimmerman was “hunting down” Martin he would simply have shot him instead of engaging him in a conversation. If he meant to “execute” him he could easily have done just that. If you’re “hunting” someone, your gun is drawn. Do you agree to meet with the cops and then go hunting for Martin? Is it common to have a conversation with your prey before you shoot? Are you kidding me?

They had a conversation instead.

What Martin’s girlfriend didn’t say is also extremely important. Mega-important.

She doesn’t mention a gun. Martin saw no gun. That means Zimmerman had not drawn the weapon when he met with Martin. The weapon was fired once but the magazine was full. Something interfered with the cycling, like perhaps a struggle. It’s reported that Zimmerman has claimed that Martin tried to take Zimmerman’s gun.

Given the police report indicating that Zimmerman had grass on his back it’s more the likely Zimmerman was the one who got pushed, and then jumped and pounded by Martin. The eyewitnesses corroborate Martin being on top of Zimmerman, beating him. I think shooting Martin was absolutely the last thing Zimmerman wanted to do.

We’ve learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse case. Lynch on.

About DrJohn

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.
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209 Responses to Trayvon’s girfriend exonerates Zimmerman [Reader Post]

  1. Mike O'Malley says: 101

    @Juju:

    Who pushed who? look at their history. Zimmerman attended anger management courses because he “pushed a cop” who had arrested his friend. And from these so called “injuries” it looks like it was Zimmerman’s ego that Martin bruised the most.
    [juju said]

    emphasis added by me

    OK Mr. Juju, tell me why did you not look at ‘their’history, both Zimmerman’s and Martin’s? You neglected to address Mr. Martin’s history. Why?. Mr. Zimmerman took an anger management class, one wishes not to speak ill of the dead, but Mr. Martin was also in need of an anger management class at the minimum. Instead Mr. Martin was skulking about after dark apparently without adult supervision; and Mr. Martin was continuing to make poor choices..

    Trayvon Martin was a troubled young man from a broken family. He was doing drugs, maybe just pot, but maybe harder drugs. Trayvon Martin had multiple school suspensions and on one occasion he was found to be in possession of stolen goods along with a burglary tool. One of Trayvon Martin’s friends indicated the Mr. Martin threw a punch at a bus driver days before his school suspension..

    Trayvon Martin was in the neighborhood because he was staying with his father’s girl friend during a long school suspension. One would like to think that Trayvon Martin’s dad or dad’s girl friend put prudent restrictions on Trayvon Martin’s where-abouts? Did they give him a curfew? Did they monitor Teayvon’s where-abouts? Apparently not. Did they explain to Trayvon that he was in a good neighborhood and that he would need to behave and be respectful of their neighbors? Did they explain to Trayvon that some of their neighbors ran a neighborhood watch? Given Trayvon Martin’s history of making poor choices did Trayvon’s dad set reasonable limits for Trayvon while he was staying away from home? It appears not.

    Moreover one might expect that Messrs Martin and Zimmerman to have engaged in an escalating exchange before the gun shot. Let’s review how that worked out.

    Martin unnecessarily came out of hiding and confronted Mr. Zimmerman. This seems to me to be a bad choice. Having evaded the watchman the smart thing to do would have be to go home and seek help and advice from his dad about the ‘apparent’ stalker. Dad’s girlfreind, a neighborhood resident, would have done well then to have called the neighborhood watch for help.

    So Mr. Martin approaches Zimmerman from behind and unnecessarily confronts Mr. Zimmerman. Is Mr. Martin acting out for the dramatic benefit of his girl friend who is on the phone?

    Let’s review the girl friend’s account.

    Initiation:
    ““Trayvon said what are you following me for?”

    response:
    “Then the man (Zimmerman) said ‘what you doing around here?’”

    counter reponse:
    What came next? It was Mr. Martin’s turn to respond and his girl friend reports that the exchange became physical, violent, at the very moment one would expect Mr. Martin to reply to Mr. Zimmerman.

    Of course Mr. Martin could have already aggressively got in Mr. Zimmerman’s space or face. Zimmerman might have pushed Martin away from his conceal gun and Martin’s response could have been to deck Zimmerman.

    More likely it seems to me that Trayvon’s girlfriend’s tale allows for Martin to have come out swinging in response to Mr. Zimmerman reasonable question and to have decked Zimmerman without due provocation.

    Clearly Mr. Martin made one bad choice after another. Perhaps Mr. Zimmerman ran afoul of the law. Perhaps not, but if the night watchman ‘s behavior justified Mr. Martin’s concern as he walked home he should have gone home and enlisted his father’s advice and help before confronting Mr. Zimmerman.

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  2. drjohn says: 102

    @Aye:

    Q. Why was George Zimmerman was not arrested the night of the shooting?

    A. When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self-defense, which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was prohibited from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time.

    Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer must swear and affirm that he/she is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the city may be held liable.

    According to Florida Statute 776.032 :

    Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— 776.032

    A person who uses force as permitted in s. (1) 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (2)

    Q. Why did Mr. Zimmerman have a firearm in his possession while acting in the role of a neighborhood watch member?

    A. Mr. Zimmerman holds a concealed weapon permit issued from the State of Florida. He is authorized to carry the weapon in a concealed manner wherever Florida Statute dictates.

    Neighborhood Watch programs are designed for members of a neighborhood to be “eyes and ears” for police and to watch out for their neighbors. They are not members of the police department nor are they vigilantes.

    Training provided by law enforcement agencies to Neighborhood Watch organizations stresses non-contact surveillance of suspicious situations, and notifying police of those situations so that law enforcement can respond and take control of the situation.

    Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred. He was in fact on a personal errand in his vehicle when he observed Mr. Martin in the community and called the Sanford Police Department.

    Q. If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?

    A. Yes it will. However, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.” The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow.

    Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

    http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/17920337/article-Chief-Bill-Lee-answers-questions-about-investigation-into-shooting-of-17-year-old-Trayvon-Martin?

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  3. drjohn says: 103

    @Mike O’Malley:

    Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and for another 1 1/2 minutes spoke with the police. Zimmerman was clearly not running during that time. One has to wonder how Zimmerman could possibly catch Martin, who had the head start, even if both were walking briskly.

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  4. drjohn says: 104

    @Blast:

    I figured that FA would have someone who would post on this issue, and it makes sense it is DrJohn. Seems he has a fetish for this topic with all of his posts.

    “Fetish.” That’s nasty.

    As you can see, no one else has any interest in this topic other than me.

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  5. Mike O'Malley says: 105

    @drjohn:
    Several things trouble about his topic:

    1) the lynch mob rush to accusation
    2) the lynch mob rush to judgment
    3) the lynch mob rush to racialist vigilante ‘justice’
    4) the hate filled scapegoating of George Zimmerman (Nonetheless Zimmerman may have broken the law or have used poor judgment. We don’t know yet.)
    5) the misuse of this tragedy for crass political and financial gain,
    6) the disreputable reporting by MSM,
    7) the demagoguery and involvement of MSNBC commentator and former Democratic National Convention keynote speaker Al Sharpton. He has gotten almost a dozen people killed doing this sort of thing in the past.

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  6. oblowhole must go
    hi, and OBAMA never mention his concern about the increase BREAK IN BY THE YOUNG CRIMINALS.
    HE NEVER MENTIONED ABOUT THE BLACK TEACHERS INCITING THE YOUNG BLACKS TO GO AFTER THE FEW WHITES CHILDREN ATTENDING CLASS, BEING INSULTED, AGRESS AND ONE ALMOST LOST HIS LIFE HAVING BEEN SPRAYED WITH GASOLINE ON HIS FACE AND UPPER BODY, BY YOUNG BLACKS SAYING YOU DESERVE IT, THE YOUNG BOY WAS VERY SMART TO REACT AT ONCE AND PULL HIS COAT OVER HIS FACE TO PUT OUT THE FIRE, WAS THAT A HATE CRIME? DAM SURE IT WAS. INCITED BY A TEACHER, BECAUSE AS SHE SAID ONCE TO THE WHITE BOY; YOUR NOT ONE OF US.
    AND OBAMA NEVER MENTIONED IT

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  7. Ivan says: 107

    @Aye:

    Ivan, don’t look now but your stoopid is showing. Again.

    You know what I think? I think you should consume fecal matter and expire.

    That is my advice to you, little man.

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  8. Ivan says: 108

    Hey…all you anti-Zimmerman losers….get over it…your boy “Martin the moron” is taking a dirt-nap because he was stupid, and breaking the law.

    So, head down to Starbucks and order a nice, hot, cup of shut the phuck up already.

    k?

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  9. oblowhole must go says: 109

    @Ivan

    Weak

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  10. Brian says: 110

    It is amazing that so many posters on this thread have not availed themselves of the facts reported so far, video and police reports, timelines and the picture that these things provide when pieced together in a narrative fashion based on actuality instead of emotion,prejudice,hyperbole and agenda. If the racism,politics and perverse hate-mongering are set aside you have a criminal assault ended by a legally armed citizen, who on his home ground used lethal force to save himself from injury or death. 90% of the the arguments against GZ are spurious because he was legally armed and within his rights to inquire of TM what his business and presence were in the area and report his suspicious nature to SPD. In a neighborhood where 17 robberies and a shooting had occurred, concealed carry by residents seems to be a logical action. Reporting suspicious behavior likewise. Nobody calls in on someone acting “ordinary”. As stated by myself and others GZ’s pistol was recovered in a condition that could only be explained by action caused by a physical struggle or a squib load which would lack the muzzle velocity to kill. My money is on the struggle. Every passing day has produced details and evidence that reinforce GZ’s statements to LEOs. That the MSM has been caught doctoring 911 audio and video of GZ in the SPD sally port is reinforcement of the weakness of the narrative they would have the public accept. As these pieces come together they will negate the the howling from the race-baiters, liberals and anti -establishment and so-called “civil rights” advocates who would strip GZ’s rights to probable cause, due process and a trial by his peers, by trying GZ in the court of public opinion. Martin’s family lawyers built their business by sensationalizing cases with racial undertones that they capitalize and exploit. While the media,race pimps and people of conscience canonize TM has anyone conjectured that finding himself without adult supervision, in a neighborhood which he would soon be leaving, he just might have been looking for an opportunity to do a little bit of light thievery. That perhaps this behavior is what drew GZ’s attention in the first place. With so many bent on muddying the water one can only wonder.

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  11. Smorgasbord says: 111

    @Brian: #10
    You just advanced the ball 20 yards towards your goalposts. First down and 10. This is getting to be a really exciting game to watch from up here. I wish I could afford a corporate box.

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  12. John Cooper says: 112

    @Brian: I would have given you ten thumbs up for that post if I could have. Thanks.

    What we’re seeing here is a perfect example of tribalism, as Ayn Rand described it:

    What are the nature and the causes of modern tribalism? Philosophically, tribalism is the product of irrationalism and collectivism. It is a logical consequence of modern philosophy. If men accept the notion that reason is not valid, what is to guide them and how are they to live?

    Obviously, they will seek to join some group—any group—which claims the ability to lead them and to provide some sort of knowledge acquired by some sort of unspecified means. If men accept the notion that the individual is helpless, intellectually and morally, that he has no mind and no rights, that he is nothing, but the group is all, and his only moral significance lies in selfless service to the group—they will be pulled obediently to join a group. But which group? Well, if you believe that you have no mind and no moral value, you cannot have the confidence to make choices—so the only thing for you to do is to join an unchosen group, the group into which you were born, the group to which you were predestined to belong by the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient power of your body chemistry.

    This, of course, is racism. But if your group is small enough, it will not be called “racism”: it will be called “ethnicity.”

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  13. Brian says: 113

    @ Tom Cooper , Smorgasbord
    Dividing people by race and class is the tool the Left has chosen to break our society. At their core they care not one wit for the fratricidal violence in the black community. That Zimmerman is not black is all that they need to attack their target group; white, christian, conservative supporters of the rule of law and the 2nd Amndt. There is always a disconnect that frankly I don’t believe anyone with a spiritual, reasoned, mature and responsible base can readily grasp because it is wrapped in the entitlement mindset and thus alien to the majority. It is the all consuming argument of the left and their client groups to claim they are negatively stereotyped and profiled while continuously reinforcing those stereotypes in their culture. That foolishness is the reason you have elected officials wearing hoodies in the houses of congress. The fact that hoodies are used to hide facial features and provide a way to cover the hand and avoid leaving fingerprints on steering wheels or crime scenes and thus make them a tool that criminals have unlimited access to is of no concern. That same disconnect applies to the battle flag of the CSA. Because the flag represents a negative to blacks its use is protested. That it represents the valor and sacrifice of life made my and many of the ancestors of others is a denial of our heritage.
    Those are wedge issues driven by people like the black media members in Florida who pushed this story to the “civil rights” lawyers who took this case nationwide to put pressure on a local police dept. and states attorney to provide them with the outcome they desire. That makes “Justice for Trayvon” injustice for all.

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  14. Smorgasbord says: 114

    @Brian: #13
    I use an expression I coined, “I don’t judge a person by their outside. I judge them by their inside. I can adjust to their outside, but I can’t adjust to some people’s insides.”

    In cases like this I ALWAYS wait until I have enough facts to make a decision. I have been wrong so many times in my life, and I HATE to be wrong. One nice thing about not stating what I think about a subject is that I will never have to admit that I was wrong about it. It seems like about half the people on FA will have to admit they were wrong on this subject EVENTUALLY.

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  15. Mike O Malley
    hi,
    yes and not to forget the near election coming.
    bye

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  16. Brian
    hi,
    you got it figured quite a while ago.
    bye

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  17. I TOOK out the same comment

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  18. Smorgasbord, you are prudent as usual, I bet like MR ZIMMERMAN DID, YOU WOULD BE WOUNDED BEFORE SHOOTING, that’s how kind you are and you might carry the scars for life,
    like MR ZIMMERMAN WILL CARRY THE SCARS INSIDE AND OUT.
    THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE THAT WEAKNESS TO GIVE A CHANCE TO THEIR OPPONENT,
    WHICH ARE TOO STUPID AND CALL THEM WEAK, UNTIL THE GIANT AWAKE WHEN WOUNDED,
    BYE

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  19. Brian says: 119

    @ Smorgasbord
    That belief is one all should share . Being raised in the South I was exposed to negative social beliefs in a general sense but was taught that character and actions should matter above all. As an adult, coach, instructor, manager I always have held the belief that there is good in every soul and that all can be bettered if given the chance to learn, expand and succeed. Watching people’s confidence grow with their proficiency is a great thing. There are always going to be some who are dumber than a sack of hammers, who don’t want or don’t care to improve themselves. You can lead them but you can’t think for them. It would be easy to stereotype me as any angry old redneck . What I meant and should have done a better job with is the idea that if you are going to reinforce a subculture/lifestyle that normalizes a lawless,misogynist, racist world view that is corrosive to the entire black community, you shouldn’t expect that culture to be ignored by the rest of us.You can’t ignore that culture when its beating your head into a sidewalk. It is hard to be exceptional if you won’t throw off the negatives and it seems that institutionalized negatives may never come off.

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  20. Smorgasbord says: 120

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #18
    A person never knows what they will do in any situation until that situation happens. I have never been in a fight, and don’t know how to fight. I am better at flight. I just realized one letter made the difference between fight and flight.

    If I had a gun on me, I probably would have pulled it out as soon as the person started coming towards me. My son took police training in a technical school, and the standard teaching is that you can shoot a person, and even if they aren wounded severely, they can still go about 21 feet before they can’t go any more.

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  21. Smorgasbord says: 121

    @Brian: #19
    As long as some people can make a profit off of racism, it will always be there. One thing that would help is if the entertainment industry had all of the different races in most of their shows or movies, and have them getting along and accepting each other the way they are. The way it is now is you either have almost all white shows or almost all black shows. If I had my way, I would even have handicapped, little people, autistic, and anyone else that we don’t see much of in a positive way, getting along fine and only having disputes about non-race things. I have a fantasy world I want to live in.

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  22. DiveCon says: 122

    @Smorgasbord: check out Alphas on SyFy channel

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  23. Smorgasbord
    hi,
    is it me or there is more blacks in public like FOX NEWS AND OTHER LIKE MOVIES AND COMMERCIAL AND OTHER NEWS PAPERS AND AUTHOR THAN ANYTIME BEFORE, SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE BLACK ELECTED TO CRY WOLF NOW, AND THEY DON’T SEEM TO STAY INFORM OF WHAT THE YOUTH WHICH IS NOT WELL TAKEN CARE, NOT WELL SUPERVISE GET AMONG GANGS WHICH LEAD THEM INTO BAD BEHAVIOR, THAT SHOULD BE THE MAIN GOAL FROM THE ELECTED TO CHECK THAT UP, AND THEY CAN INFLUENCE THE CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR BEFORE THE YOUNG DO THEIR FIRST CRIME,
    BEFORE THEY TAKE SIDE ON THE WRONG PERSON BECAUSE LIKE THEY SAY THE OTHER COLOR ARE NOT LIKE THEM, SO IT MEAN THEY ARE THE TRUE RACIST IN SOCIETY BY THEIR ACTION OF THIS TIME,

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  24. Smorgasbord says: 124

    @DiveCon: #22
    I have watched it some. I like the guy that can do all of the stuff in his head the best. It isn’t on my Dish Network SyFy channel for a while.

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  25. DiveCon says: 125

    @Smorgasbord: new season about to start in April

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  26. Smorgasbord says: 126

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #23
    There are more blacks in the entertainment media than there has been, but I don’t know if it averages out with the population. That is how I would do it if I were in charge. I would also have more people from different countries. Partly because it is the right thing to do, and partly because I like different accents.

    George Bush had more blacks in his administration than Bill Clinton. You know, the one who proclaimed himself the first black president.

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  27. Smorgasbord says: 127

    @DiveCon: #25
    OK

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  28. Smorgasbord
    yes I agree that you have a point there, my point was precisely on the blacks because of the blacks elected crying wolf and that is all they do only to incite but I was pointing at them and wha
    they should ” do ” instead of ” shout”, it would help the young by their influence turned on positive actions instead of negative attacks showing again to hate instead of repair,
    and they failed that one chance given to them, they could have cease the time to help defeat juvenil crimes
    why else are they elected for by the blacks? if not to help the families whih elected them in the first place.
    bye

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  29. Smorgasbord says: 129

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #28
    We all just have to do the best we can. I have never understood how so many people can be led into things that it seems anyone with common sense would avoid. Some cults have even convinced their members to kill themselves. It just proves that some people are like sheep and will follow anything anywhere.

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  30. Smorgasbord
    you got something there, I learn that many BLACKS TURNED IN MUSLIM FAITH,
    AND THEY ARE LEAD BY CONFUSE LEADERS, IT DOES NOTHING TO HELP THEM,
    DOES IT
    BYE

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  31. Brian says: 131

    @ John Cooper
    You have illustrated the cause of much of the strife and discontent that exists today. Tribalism is the deepest rooted factor that pits much the developing world and especially the middle east against itself. When tribalism is combined with a set of ideas and prejudices(islam)presented as a religion, you have perpetual internecine warfare between sects, while they are striking externally at any who do not share those beliefs. The Left wants to balkanize us. OWS, union goons, paramilitary racist groups(NBPP) are all tools to be used to divide us further. Hilda Solis and DOL are attacking family agriculture,the heart of the heartland. I believe that there will be a “Reichstag fire” national emergency that will be used to try and provoke armed response from the Right. We are left so vulnerable by our lack of border security that the Left may not have to stage anything if terrorists strike us again. Meanwhile we are drawn into a racial controversy that would see us suspend the rights of one man to confer innocence to another who initiated a criminal assault that resulted in that man’s death.

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  32. Richard Wheeler says: 132

    Smorg Your fantasy world exists on Nick a cartoon channel.My wife and I are fostering to adopt two 3 year old girls and I grudgingly started watching.
    Cartoons with boys and girls of all nationalities getting along and solving problems. Great stuff.I’ve stopped watching Fox for Lent and I FEEL GREAT

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  33. Brian
    hi,
    but it was not a criminal assault, it was a defense for a life saving purpose.
    bye

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  34. Smorgasbord says: 134

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #30
    I believe some of them are joining because it is like a gang. They want to be a member of whatever group is the most powerful, and Muslims are actively recruiting blacks.

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  35. Smorgasbord says: 135

    @Richard Wheeler: #32
    The stuff they had for young kids when mine were growing up is completely different than what they have now. I enjoyed watching the shows with them. I don’t watch the kid shows any more, but I have been reading and listening to parents who do.

    When my daughter was older, she told me that she was glad that we explained things to her while a show was on, and that she was going to do that with her kids. I haven’t remembered to ask her if she does.

    One radio talk show told how he takes his kids to Disney movies. He noticed that none of them had a father figure for a dad. The parents were either divorced, or those who weren’t, the dad was a cook.

    Are they teaching honesty, sharing, helping, etc., like they used to when I was growing up? From what I am hearing from others, you have to be very careful which shows and movies you allow them to watch.

    I’ve stopped watching Fox for Lent and I FEEL GREAT

    One advantage of not belonging to any religion is that I don’t have to give up anything unless I want to.

    Good luck on raising the kids to be a benefit to society. It will be harder for you than it was for me.

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  36. Richard Wheeler,
    good of you and your wife to do it, I ‘M SURE YOU WILL HAVE AT LEAST ON MARINE IN THERE,
    BYE

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  37. Brian says: 137

    @ Ilovebeeswarzone
    What I was trying to say is that the Justice Bros. and their followers don’t accept TM as anything but an innocent victim killed in cold blood by a non black. GZ was not arrested because probable cause was not met. Unless they can disprove the evidence gathered that night or contravene the statements of multiple witnesses/EMTs/ SPD they have no grounds for arrest. There are things called facts and they are troublesome,persistent little things that the racebaiters would have us ignore and put an innocent man in jail for a justifiable homicide. We’re on the same page I should have been clearer in my statements.

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  38. Brian
    I am really the one who fail my translation from my french to your last sentence I apologize for it, your choice of word is perfect compare to my lack of grabbing the intent, but I already knew which side
    we where on the subject, I should have let it go,
    bye

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  39. Richard Wheeler says: 139

    Thanks Bees and Smorg We’ll be looking for at least one B,A.M. (Beautiful American Marine) to emerge
    I am dead serious about NICK.Very well done Absolutely took me by surprise.

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  40. Comm0n Sense says: 140

    @Brian: Well said Brian.

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  41. Richard Wheeler says: 141

    Brian says “justifiable homicide” Your opinion and differing from what the lead investigator thought.
    Neither of those guys were angels.Zimmerman had scuffled with cops and an ex had put a restraining order against him,
    Martin was a pot smoking truant.Hardly a model kid.But on this rainy night he was a teenager returning home from 7-11.
    Speaking of age if Z was 28 the night of the shooting how could he have “registered Dem to vote for Gore” in Nov. 2000?

    Someone here suggested buffoon Sharpton was “keynote speaker” at 2004 Convention. He gave a minor speech after failed campaign run.
    The great keynote speech at that convention was given by a young Senator from Ill. who so eloquently called for inclusion rather than division.

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  42. Hankster58 says: 142

    “The great keynote speech at that convention was given by a young Senator from Ill. who so eloquently called for inclusion rather than division.” it was Barack Obama

    Too bad he didn’t really MEAN any of it……

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  43. Nan G says: 143

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Look at the registration.
    http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/
    Zimmerman’s state voter registration document shows that the 28-year-old registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in 2002.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/320318/20120327/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-democrat-hispanic-shooting.htm

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  44. Comm0n Sense says: 144

    @Richard Wheeler: Richard, I am not sure that our opinions or positions on issues are in alignment but I sincerely admire your committment to an unbiased and well thought out point of view. You represent a refreshing and useful contribution to this discussion.

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  45. Richard Wheeler says: 145

    So obviously he didn’t register to vote for Gore as someone on here suggested. Case closed
    While I’m on is everyone ready to ride the Mitt Mobile to Pennsylvania Avenue. Just don;t forget to throw Marco in the sidecar,

    Thanks Doc There may be hope. I may well vote for a Romney/Rubio ticket.

    Final thought If BHO is smart he’ll switch out Joe B, for HRC keep[ng her involved in a cushy job while prepping a run for first female POTUS in 2016. Be clear I don’t want Biden anywhere near Sec of State
    BHO too nice a guy to dump Joe?

    Go Wildcats

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  46. Smorgasbord says: 146

    @Richard Wheeler: #39
    I am dead serious about NICK.Very well done Absolutely took me by surprise.

    As with any network, you have to be careful which shows the kids watch. Don’t let them sit at the TV without supervision.

    You used to be able to take your kids to ANY Disney movie. Many years ago there was one making the rounds around the theaters. I don’t remember why, but I saw it before we took our very young son to it. There was one scene where there was a parade. In the parade there were African women marching in formation. They were not the USUASL looking African women. They were very nice looking, very well shaped, and VERY topless. Our son was sitting between us, and when I knew that scene was coming, I leaned over to my wife so my son couldn’t see and explained to what I was doing. There is also a lot of sexual insinuations even in the G rated movies of today. Good luck if your kids start asking about some of them.

    My two favorite cartoons are STILL Road Runner and Tom and Jerry. I also say that if an adult can’t get down on the floor or ground and play with a kid, they are too grown up for me. One of my brothers is too grown up for me. Don’t be a grownup when playing with your kids. Go down to THEIR level. Neither you nor your kids will regret it.

    One time at a Cub Scout campout, my son came back from the bathroom and asked, “What does prostituded mean?” All I could think to say was something like, “Not now.” The other guys around were very helpful. They all agreed and told me to go ahead and tell him. My son said his friend asked his dad and his dad said he didn’t know.

    Fortunately, his friend came along and said, “That’s prosecuted.” There was a sign at the bathroom building that had that word on it. Be ready for questions like that, and for those around you to want the answer right there.

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  47. Brian says: 147

    @ Richard Wheeler #41
    I called the result a justified homicide because it occurred when a criminal assault was ended by lethal force by a licensed individual in fear of imminent death or injury. What GZ’s politics or TM’s social media habits are not what probable cause would revolve upon. Wasting time and bandwith on peripherals furthers nothing. Facts in evidence align with GZ’s statements, video,audio and 2 visual witness claims. The Media has been shown to be actively tailoring their reports to match the desired narrative they are using to try GZ in public, abrogating his rights. How the two came into conflict is a small matter. You and the media are willing leave out any background that favors GZ. There were 402 calls to police from that complex between 1/1/11 and2/26/12. 8 burglaries, 9 thefts and a shooting in that time frame. Massad Ayoob, a wellknown law officer, instructor, author and expert witness on use of lethal force, has related that GZ’s Kel-Tec 9mm was taken into evidence with a spent casing still chambered and a full magazine. That is consistent with a struggle for the gun, the slide being prevented from cycling,ejecting the fired casing and stripping a fresh round from the mag because it was being pulled away from the shooter. The autopsy will confirm this with evidence of powderburns,stippling and GSR on TM. That has been on the web for a while but no MSM outlet will touch it because it puts them in a ground fight and struggle over control of the pistol.Kind of shoots the stalk and cold-blooded execution storyline in the ass. If you and others want to joust over semantics, character flaws,perceived mindsets and woulda, coulda , shoulda go right on ahead. I really am only concerned that the street mob rule/lynch mob be kept at bay and the facts be allowed to prevail. The point that one investigator did not see the evidence as his upstream did is relevant and deserves further investigation by the outside agencies. Dissent occurs in the justice system every day, juries seldom reach unanimity instantly. I don’t expect, nor desire unanimity here, but I do take anything I post seriously. I was accused of mental gymnastics and such on another thread here, watched the statements be proven by the new media and haven’t heard anything from the aggrieved who’s credulity I was accused of stretching. I haven’t been here long but the majority here seem to be interested in free exchange of information in a collegial manner. If I can contribute it will be positively.

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  48. Hankster58 says: 148

    @Brian #47.. WELL SAID!!

    The FACT is, Trayvon, was far ahead, of Zimmerman…. and, by the phone call, you can tell, Zimmerman was NOT running after Trayvon. So, how did a KID (lots of energy) that far AHEAD of Zimmerman, end up, in the FACE of a guy, who was NOT running after him?? Trayvon must have CAME BACK… no other explanation. Had he BEEN minding his own business, and gone straight TO, where ever he was originally heading, we wouldn’t even be discussing this. TRAYVON escalated things, HE therefore was “the aggressor”… and, well, he paid for it. Attitude, improperly applied, will get you killed. He did, it did. Pretty much end of story.

    Now, as to the INSTIGATOR types like Al Sharpton, Spike Lee etc… where are THOSE charges?? How about, the mob at the Walgreens?? How do THESE CRIMINAL ACTS, tie in with a sad incident??? Why do LIBERALS, always seem to equate “an injustice” they perceive, as a LICENSE to RIOT, BURN, VANDALIZE and LOOT??
    Conservatives don’t. Hmmm….

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  49. Hankster
    where did you hide the winning ticket?
    bye

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  50. Aye says: 150

    @Hankster58:

    So, how did a KID (lots of energy) that far AHEAD of Zimmerman, end up, in the FACE of a guy, who was NOT running after him?? Trayvon must have CAME BACK… no other explanation. Had he BEEN minding his own business, and gone straight TO, where ever he was originally heading, we wouldn’t even be discussing this. TRAYVON escalated things, HE therefore was “the aggressor”… and, well, he paid for it. Attitude, improperly applied, will get you killed. He did, it did. Pretty much end of story.

    Actually, there is another very plausible explanation. Much more plausible actually.

    Just waiting patiently to see who here can study the photographs of the neighborhood, the 911 call tape, and successfully put it all together to arrive at that “other explanation”.

    Hankster, are you up to the challenge? Can you put aside what you think might be true, objectively examine the evidence, and then let it lead you where it leads you?

    Or are you, like so many others here, so married to your individual theories that you cannot impartially weigh and examine the evidence?

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