And the lynching continues.
First, the claims about the video tape.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cqp5bHG5lo[/youtube]
What? No bruising visible on the brown man one hour or so after the injury?
Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
Or does it? Here are my screen caps
Zimmerman does indeed exhibit a head wound
One of the officers examines the wound to see if it is still bleeding
Here’s the funniest image. The police put a Caucasian clown nose on Zimmerman. Or maybe it was a dressing.
There is something on Zimmerman’s nose
The police report says that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head. It says his back was wet and covered with grass. There is nothing about “grass stains.”
We can’t see from this video if there is any remaining blood on Zimmerman’s red and black fleece or his dark grey shirt.
Anyone else notice that the “white Hispanic” George Zimmerman is a lot browner than at first believed?
Now consider these headline from Drudge:
HOODIE ON THE HILL…
VIDEO: Dem Rep Kicked Off House Floor…
Ex-Black Panther…
Another Says Trayvon ‘Hunted Down Like Dog’…
Another: ‘Executed For WWB In A GC’…
Maxine Waters Calls Shooting ‘Hate Crime’…
Now just for laughs I’ll throw this one as well
OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Republicans ‘politicizing’ Trayvon Martin death…
“Hunted down” “Executed”
I don’t think so, and Martin’s girlfriend largely exonerates Zimmerman. She told a reporter this:
“Trayvon said what are you following me for?”
“Then the man said ‘what you doing around here?'”
What would you expect a Neighborhood Watch person to ask?
“What are you doing around here?” It’s exactly what you’d expect him to ask.
Then she asserts that Trayvon is pushed, but there is no evidence to prove that, and it is highly unlikely Zimmerman pushed Martin.
The thing is, they had a conversation. Zimmerman did ask Martin why he was there. Ask yourself- if you ask someone why they’re following you and that person asks you what you’re doing around here, how would you respond? I might be tempted to ask “What’s it to you?” and I would expect Zimmerman to respond that he was part of the Neighborhood Watch. Then I would expect Martin to say that he was headed to his girlfriend’s house. Then I might ask “Where does she live?” and he could have told him in which building she lived. And that should have ended it.
But it didn’t go that way.
Someone did push someone else. But who? Let’s look at this reasonably. If Zimmerman was “hunting down” Martin he would simply have shot him instead of engaging him in a conversation. If he meant to “execute” him he could easily have done just that. If you’re “hunting” someone, your gun is drawn. Do you agree to meet with the cops and then go hunting for Martin? Is it common to have a conversation with your prey before you shoot? Are you kidding me?
They had a conversation instead.
What Martin’s girlfriend didn’t say is also extremely important. Mega-important.
She doesn’t mention a gun. Martin saw no gun. That means Zimmerman had not drawn the weapon when he met with Martin. The weapon was fired once but the magazine was full. Something interfered with the cycling, like perhaps a struggle. It’s reported that Zimmerman has claimed that Martin tried to take Zimmerman’s gun.
Given the police report indicating that Zimmerman had grass on his back it’s more the likely Zimmerman was the one who got pushed, and then jumped and pounded by Martin. The eyewitnesses corroborate Martin being on top of Zimmerman, beating him. I think shooting Martin was absolutely the last thing Zimmerman wanted to do.
We’ve learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse case. Lynch on.
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Except for liberals being foolish.
@DiveCon:
Shhhh… He’s busy keeping the meme alive.
What..my dad can’t add his 2 cents? Look..I’ve done my job. Now I can in clear conscience go find the next Blog that make Zimmerman out to be a hero for killing an innocent kid…so fuck you Kurt! Ha Ha Ha!!!
Now go ahead..use your supreme might power to block my post because quite frankly? I don’t give a fuck!!
So many high-powered assumptions and/or misrepresentations posturing as “facts.”
Where Trayvon was going or what he was carrying has not, to the best of my knowledge, been substantiated by a credible source. The apprent source for the “skittles and iced tea” meme is the Martin family attorney; not an impartial party, IMO.
The F-ing Coon charge has pretty much been discredited. While at best inconclusive due to poor audio quality, the tape does not provide evidence of a racial epithet.
“FACT: THE UNDERTAKER SAW NO BRUISES ON TRAYVONS KNUCKLES MATCHING THE DESCRIPTION OF ZIMMERMAN’S SO CALLED BEATING:”
What’s the source for the “undertaker’s “observations?” Do undertakers now perform forensics?
Has the Coroner’s Report been made public? I think that I’ll wait for that.
@rhadee: Says a guy who has to pretend like he is someone else to agree with his point. Retarded. You’re gone…buh bye
@rhadee: I kind of hope Curt lets you stay. What an example of unbridled hatred and racism. And not once have you attempted to provide one kilobyte of support for anything you’ve asserted.
@drjohn: Not surprised that big black dad agrees. Racist raising a racist. Although it is a bit surprising and refreshing that the dad is actually known.
@rhadee: You say you have done your job. Was that job to come on this site and display your totally racist and idiotic views?? In that case you have. If it was to make a point that actually has meaning, you failed miserably!!
@rhadee:
But didn’t you say “4 days”?
I do hope all those questions get answered.
@rhadee – To be as well educated as you claim to be you have a difficult time debating without resorting to profanity and name calling. Not to mention that you’ve failed to back up any of your assertions with actual facts. I take it back, you are a master – debater.
@rhadee
I’m sure there’s some logical explanation for obozo not expressing “concern” for these 2 white kids murdered by a black guy. Can’t think of one, can you?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html
Who pushed who? look at their history. Zimmerman attended anger management courses because he “pushed a cop” who had arrested his friend. And from these so called “injuries” it looks like it was Zimmerman’s ego that Martin bruised the most.
One important aspect is forgotten in all the right/left conversation about this matter: George Zimmerman was told by police dispatch not to pursue Trayvon—which he ignored. Any further conversation about the matter seems to be unwarranted—except for those who have nothing better to talk about. It’ll be settled in the courts, like it should be—not by the idle speculation on sites like this one.
One important aspect is forgotten in all the right/left conversation about this matter: George Zimmerman was told by police dispatch not to pursue Trayvon—which he ignored.
@liberal – on that, I believe we can all agree.
@Juju: Martin took a swing at a bus driver five days before the shooting.
@Liberal1 (objectivity): I am not so sure about that. He began to pursue, but seemed to relent when asked to do so.
@Hard Right:
Bullship alert, bullship alert!!!!
HR, you’re nothing more than an emotionally charged liberal. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence should be able to see that Zimmerman is being lynched for political gain…and you’re part of the lynch mob..with Obama.
Typical liberal sticking up for the criminal and not the victim.
By the way, the investigation WAS DONE and the police agreed with Z’s version of events.
Let’s get Trayvon’s side, shall we? Oh, I forgot-dead men tell no tales.
@drjohn:
Thank you for reminding the lynch-mob (Hardright especially) of this FACT. Don’t forget Dr.J of Martin’s connection to the drug trade.
Sad to see so many here at FA show that they really are far-left liberals (Aye, I mean you, buddy).
@oblowhole must go:
So? He didn’t break any law in not “obeying” the stupid dispatch officer.
Zimmerman is a hero as he stood up against rampant crime.
Martin was involved in the ILLEGAL drug trade.
Sorry, Martin was an oxygen thief and Zimmerman deserves the key to the city.
@The Strategic MC:
Bruising might not even emerge for a few days on fair skin.
So big surprise there.
@Liberal1 (objectivity):
You comment is straight out of the liberal school of ”SHUT UP!”
Klaven on the Culture provides the educational video.
http://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2012/03/26/the-lefts-con-man-logic/?singlepage=true
The pattern I’m noticing is a walking back from the lynch Zimmerman mob whose bandwagon Obama tried to climb on.
Funny how even a few facts can do so much.
It will be great when we have more of them.
There’s Tagalog word for fake but accurate news, “kuryente.”
It used to literally mean an electric jolt but has more recently added media-related nuance: “a bum steer”; “actually but not really” or “confirmed but not definite.”
Newspapers are full of kuryente these days.
@Ivan,
I didn’t say Zimmerman broke any law. I just think if you call the police and the dispatcher tells you not to follow a suspicious person, you should listen to them. Let the police do their job. Why does telling Zimmerman not to follow make the dispatcher “stupid”? Seems like the prudent thing to do.
Zimmerman a “hero”? I don’t see that. Until all the facts are known I think it’s premature to label him a hero and to say he should have the key to the city is absurd.
The only thing I’ve seen about Trayvon being involved in illegal drug trade was his suspension for having a baggie with traces of marijuana. Is there something else out there I’ve missed?
@Liberal1 (objectivity):
both of those are LIES
Zimmerman was NOT told not to follow, he was advised he “didn’t need to do that”
and when advised of such he stopped and was returning to his SUV
@oblowhole must go, #10:
The most likely explanation is that he never knew a thing about it.
I didn’t have to strain my brain to come up with that one. Of course, other brains may work differently.
Those of us who know what the dispatcher actually said: “Are you following him?… Okay, we don’t need you to do that”, have forgotten nothing.
Perhaps a bit pedantic of me, but Zimmerman was not “told” not to pursue Trayvon.
A big factual and potential legal distinction, don’t you think?
@greg
The most likely explanation is that he never knew a thing about it.
I didn’t have to strain my brain to come up with that one. Of course, other brains may work differently.
I guess the repeated letters the parents sent him didn’t tip him off. No, the logical explanation is it was a black on white crime. Not much of a strain to come up with that one.
One other little thing I heard was that the photo they’re using of Martin was a old one. Seems the young man was very grown up, muscular and a football player. I can hardly wait for the gnashing of teeth and the race baiting after the Grand Jury results are announced.
Nothing new or surprising here, other than ABC is airing it. Did they develop a conscience all of a sudden? Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His Gun
I’m glad that the truth is finally starting to come out regardless of the best efforts of the state-run media, but no doubt the 13 y.o. eyewitness will now have a target on his face as well…
Oh and Curt, thanks for taking out the trash.
Ivan, have you been drinking again? Re-read my comments when you sober up.
@oblowhole must go:
Yes, there are things you’ve missed……
Look up Trayvon’s name and a drug pipe.
Look up Travon’s name and his tweets about pot sales.
Find out which gang Trayvon is signing as a member and look up their involvement in drug dealing.
Rather than spoon feed you only to have you turn on my sources, you look up these things yourself and choose the sources you can accept.
@Hard Right:
Ivan’s a charter member of the Perpetually Stoopid TM
He really cannot help himself.
No, it was the next to last thing. Being beaten to death by a violent thug was the last thing Zimmerman wanted to happen.
@Aye:
I’d say he’s an allstar member no less.
I figured that FA would have someone who would post on this issue, and it makes sense it is DrJohn. Seems he has a fetish for this topic with all of his posts.
I was gone and didn’t get to see this gem from rhadee;
That statement is philosophically and factually incorrect. Power is what one uses to discriminate against another person. Whether it’s not allowing someone into a store or restaurant, or turning someone down for a job, or similar discretion, when a person uses race(or gender, sexual preference, age, etc.) as reasoning for disallowing somebody access, it is discrimination.
Racism does not require power over someone in order to be present. It is readily apparent that rhadee, despite assertions of a college degree, has a deficiency in knowledge.
@Liberal1 (objectivity):
A few points about your posting, Lib1;
No, when Zimmerman stated he was following Martin, the dispatcher said, “we don’t need you to do that”. That is a far cry from ordering Zimmerman not to pursue.
It’s not a “right/left” conversation, Lib1. It’s about getting ALL of the factual information prior to laying down judgement upon Martin, or Zimmerman. If you’d read further on FA, in the various postings on this story, there are plenty of those on the “right” who are cautionary to others about the “facts”. The only ones who seem to not let reality get in the way of the narrative is the “guest” posters posting on articles about this story. Those people are obviously stirred up by the race hustlers Sharpton and Jackson, and won’t allow any investigation, or discussion, that may shed a different light upon Martin, or Zimmerman, than the one originally put out there by the race baiters.
I think that most of us regulars, and that would include yourself, would say that until the facts and information relating to the incident are fully known AND understood, judgement about either individual involved should be withheld. Do you agree?
Unfortunately, it won’t be. The race hustlers have seen to that. Zimmerman is a marked man, no matter how it ends up, or where he ultimately ends up. Even if it eventually is found to be a case of self-defense, and Zimmerman is either not charged, or found innocent, Sharpton, Jackson, and the NBPP will hound him for the rest of his life.
On top of that, as evidenced by our “guest” posters, even those who aren’t even remotely racist will be seen as just that, based on the color of our skin. I fear that if Zimmerman ultimately is exonerated, that the race riots will spin out of control into spot race wars, simply because of the inciteful rhetoric from Sharpton and Jackson.
Unfortunately, this is not a remote possibility, IMO.
IOT avoid this, at what point does POTUS step up, display some moral, non-partisan leadership, and attempt to calm things down?
At what point are the disgraceful and despicable grievance mongers (Sharpton, Jackson, NBPP et al.) banished from the public forum? Shame on anyone who can fog a mirror and dress themselves that listens to anything that comes from their mouths. Disastrously and recklessly wrong on the Duke Lacrosse Case and now headed for an epic “fail” on the Martin case, why do these buffoons still have a following outside of the prison population?
I absolutely disagree.
The mob has willfully misrepresented the facts of this case and most of their assertions have, as the days go by, been discredited or have failed to be substantiated.
I strongly suspect that as additional evidence (i.e., autopsy, ballistics and forensic reports) is collected and reviewed by the authorities , the presented facts will lead to a decision to not prosecute.
Greg, #22, Obama received and ignored three letters from the parents of the slain UK students; perhaps they were the wrong color and there was no political traction to be gained by mentioning their execution by a Black teenager.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html
Bingo!
Additionally, any apology from POTUS would bring unwanted attention to this case and further undermine the preferred narrative that black males are being profiled and hunted down by racist white hispanics.
@oblowhole must go:
What the phuck are you talking about? THE POLICE DID THEIR JOB, EXONERATED ZIMMERMAN, AND YOU DON’T LIKE WHEN THEY DID THEIR JOB.
Typical liberal. You want to pick and choose what you like about the police.
Piss on liberals.
On the night of the shooting (multiple sources, btw), the Sanford PD CoP, Investigations Supervisor and the County State Attorney had a face-to-face meeting and made the decision not to charge Zimmerman. All three visited the crime scene on the night of the killing.
Things could change, however, once they find the iced tea and skittles.
@ivan #39. You are a dumbass. I said Zimmerman should have let the police do their job. Instead, it looks like he followed Martin after he called the police. The job of the police isn’t to exonerate Zimmerman or anyone else.
And I’m far from a liberal for your information, nor have I criticized the police.
@ivan incidentially, I agree with you in one regard. Piss on liberals indeed.
Greg and Liberals on this blog, the two White UK students were on their knees begging for the Black teenager to spare their lives, just before he blew their brains out of their heads. Is that graphic enough to get your attention? President Obama refuses to acknowledge their existence to their parents and to the nation because there is no political advantage in mentioning their executions by the Black Homicidal Maniac with a pistol.
If our president can’t be bothered to address these cold blooded murder/executions, I expect you to address these killings and the fiend who pulled the trigger; perhaps we need a post on this issue or maybe a series. So let’s discuss this tendency of the Leftist media to cherry pick crime for political advantage or I will let you read some more about this degenerate form of prostituting racism and taking advantage of your less literate and easily led faithful.
@Skook #43 and let’s not forget obama declaring that the police “acted stupidly” a couple of years ago when there was an incident between a black professor and a white cop. Obama’s mouth outran his brain, which isn’t too tough in his case, and he spoke before knowing what the hell he was talking about. There again, if it had been a black cop and a white professor, obama would have said nothing.
@Ivan: Dude, the criminal is NOT the one you decide it is idiot. We have laws and law enforcement who were there. BTW a what was your location during this incident. Oh I see, you weren’t there and your just blowing trash!! Crawl back in your hole.
@oblowhole must go:
, Not what you said, dick-head.
It appears that Obama thought that with the dire state of National affairs such as the economy, the debt, the deficit, foreign affairs, and his abysmal track record in general, . . . it was time to ‘Jump The Shark’.
This was another decision failure – he jumped too soon.
He succeeded, however, in stoking the fires of racism.
This is better than watching a sporting event. I’m up in the bleachers watching each team as they try to make a touchdown, goal, home run, basket, or whatever scoring system is used in an event like this. The best part is that I didn’t have to pay to get in. I also seem to have the bleachers to myself.
@Ivan:
Ivan, don’t look now but your stoopid is showing. Again.
First, the PD did NOT exonerate Zimmerman. One of the officers at the scene, as well as the lead homicide investigator, wanted him charged.
Investigator Serino went on to file an affidavit to that effect so that his determination would be on record.
Second, it’s NOT the job of the PD to exonerate.
I know it’s really tough for you to keep up with stuff but when you comment on things that you know little or nothing of you make yourself look like a fool.
@Ivan #46 , Not what you said, dick-head
That is EXACTLY what I said shit for brains. Zimmerman should have let the police do their jobs, i.e. find Trayvon and find out if he was up to no good, etc.
Damn you’re one stupid son of a bitch. It’s remarkable you can even turn on a computer, much less type.