Mark O’Mara, attorney for George Zimmerman, filed a pleading today stating he would call two witnesses from All Star Magic Bail Bonds at the June 29 hearing for bond.
I assume they will testify of the difficulty the family had in coming up with the $15,000. bond premium, as evidence that George and Shellie Zimmerman didn’t think of the money raised by the website as their money, but money earmarked for legal fees, living expenses while waiting for trial and creditors. O’Mara has said in the past that the Zimmerman’s didn’t fully appreciate that the money belonged to them.
O’Mara has said he explained to Zimmerman why his belief was wrong, and he now understands.
Shorter version: Zimmerman wasn’t lying, just mistaken, and had no intent to deceive the court.
Will he get another bond? Absolutely, in my view. First, he’s legally entitled to it. Second, he will have spent 29 days in jail for his mistake — that’s a steep enough penalty. The judge is not concerned Zimmerman is a flight risk. He may not even raise the bond amount since the money is no longer under Zimmerman’s control, but the control of a independent third party trustee.
Bail is not intended to be punishment. It’s intended to assure the person’s appearance at trial. Zimmerman, having ceded control of the raised funds to a trustee, is in no better financial condition today than when he was arrested on April 11.
O’Mara said at the June 1 hearing he still owed the bondsman $10,000. of the $15,000. premium on the first bond. Since the premium is the bondsman’s fee for making the bond, he might give George a break on a new bond, but I doubt he’ll forego his fee entirely. Local bondspersons use national insurance companies to underwrite the bonds, they don’t put their own money at risk. The national company has to get paid too, and it’s unlikely in my opinion, they would view Zimmerman as different than any other client.
Could the judge reinstate the old bond now that it’s been discharged and turned in? I’m not sure, but I think not, since that would again involve the national insurance company that underwrote the bond and their contract probably says their obligations end when the bond is discharged.
@Mike O’Malley:
And you do realize that you’re bringing oranges to an apple festival right?
The ruling that we’re discussing is related to the bond hearing. You’re attempting to mix in your skewed and faulty view of the charging affidavit which is a completely different animal.
Now, if you want to attempt to make the point that the judge, who presided over and sat thru every minute of the bond hearing, is now…somehow…by some reverse osmosis reality or whatever not fully informed and privy to what went on in his own courtroom…well, go ahead and try and make that case.
Furthermore, you and others here, keep talking about that charging affidavit not having all of the necessary elements. That’s laughable. It’s laughable because it’s already made it past at least one judge.
It’s laughable because the elements that are alleged to be missing are unrelated to the State’s burden for the 2nd degree charge that Z is facing.
Furthermore, it’s laughable to watch all of the arguments about the supposedly corrupt, “off the rails prosecutor” when, in reality, there is an entire team of prosecutors as well as police officers and investigators working on this case.
Judge Lester, who is privy to the actual evidence in its’ entirety, has reviewed it and made a determination that the evidence is strong.
People of all races and creeds would have to be coming together to persecute (actual persecution, not some fantasy) the Hispanic guy…even the Hispanic police officers and prosecutors…they’d all have to be in on it in order for these absurdly ridiculous theories of malice to work.
In order for the arguments of corruption, or political motivation, or racism, or whatever to work…well, you’ll have to show how everybody involved, from the police officers, to the investigators, to the prosecutors, to the judges, are all guilty of those things and willing to sacrifice their careers or risk prosecution resulting from their alleged unethical behavior.
Ready to try and prove your theories?
You can start with prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda. He’s Hispanic. He’s also the guy who has been working with the investigators, assessing the evidence, conducting interviews, handling the courtroom questioning, and signing the paperwork being presented to the Court.
Good luck with your efforts.
The arguments of some mass conspiracy regarding this case remind me of the arguments put forth by the 9/11 truthers:
1) Unrealistic.
2) No factual basis.
3) Utterly disconnected from plausibility.
4) Helplessly adrift in a sea of insanity.
@Aye:
The reason Aye refuses to accept my apology, and bring the discourse to a higher plane, is that he knows that he can’t help himself and will-or must-continue insulting people he disagrees with.
Go ask Mike O’Malley, go ask RetireO5; they’ll tell you that Aye can’t help but insult those who he disagrees with.
Let the record show that I, Ivan, attempted to put the past behind us and bring the level of discourse to a more acceptable level. It was Aye who slapped down my out-stretched hand.
I’ll pray for your un-Christian soul, Aye.
@MataHarley:
Mata said this to RetireO5.
What does this say about Mata?
@Ivan:
Let the record show that Ivan has made these claims before and that I’m not buying what he’s selling with his crocodile smile the second time.
Fool me once and all that jazz.
You can go eff yourself Ivan.
“You can go eff yourself Ivan.”
Mata, ever the lady.
tired.. please link where I have ever said that to Ivan.
@Ivan:
Actually…the more pertinent question would be: “What does this say about Ivan…the guy who, in #64 above, claims that he wanted to ‘put the past behind us and bring the level of discourse to a more acceptable level’?
Ahh yes… the hypocrisy is plastered on in thick, gooey layers isn’t it Ivan?
You’re doing nothing more than goading…yea, trolling…for a reaction and trying to get under other people’s skin.
Isn’t that the very behavior that Curt warned you about? Why, yes, I believe it is.
You’re determined to prove yourself to be a slow learner, eh?
Aye, we all know that Ivan has a unique grasp of time. It doesn’t matter that ‘tired’o’five has called me a shrew, accused me of being a racist and supporting lynching. Or that she insulted me (since she can’t spell pejorative…LOL) in the comment that elicted my response he quotes. For Ivan, it’s a one way mirror. Which is why he’s virtually invisible here and I don’t address him.
But I see that I get the blame for your remarks, due to that accurate depiction of ‘tired’o’five’s reading disabilities… Quite timely, don’t you think? Couldn’t a’planned it better myself. LOL
Retireo5 er tired’o5 FYI “Go eff yourself Ivan” came from Aye who felt Ivan’s “apology” A PHONY.I concur.
Did you see what Ivan called Mata? Outrageous!
Semper Fi
@retire05:
tired05: Confused, devoid of basic reading comprehension ability, completely covered in hypocrisy, and absolutely immune to any sense of irony… but, man oh man, is she ever the lady.
@MataHarley:
OK, so maybe you are not a shrew, but you excell at imitating one. How’s that? And now, my spelling mistakes/typos are an insult to you? Dropped that bar for being incensed pretty low, haven’t you?
I see that you have resorted to the lowest form of insult known, making fun of one’s name (or moniker). No surprise there. Insulting those who disagree with you seems to be your only talent. So you will have to pardon me for confusing you with Aye; you two have tag teamed other posters here so many times it has become difficult to tell the two of you apart.
@Aye:
Have I ever claimed to be a lady? But I do know that when you tell another poster that the (paraphrasing here, of course) best part of them ran down their mother’s (father’s) leg, you sir, by no standard known to the civilized world can be considered a gentleman.
@retire05:
And have I ever claimed to give a rat’s furry ass what you think of me? I consider you, and your opinions, almost as significant as the slug I squished on the back steps last night, but not quite.
What’s amusing is that you wish to point your gnarled finger at others and chastise them for their behavior when, lo and behold, you’re guilty of the same…if not worse…making you a world class hypocrite.
Congratulations on that.
Oh, and if you’re really having that much trouble keeping Mata and I apart here’s an easy tip for you. Mata’s the one with the woman’s picture next to her name. Pretty simple really; she’s the lady, and I’m not.
@Aye:
So the lack of admiration is mutual. As to pictures, I progressed beyond relying on pictures for information in kindergarten when I learned to read the written word. Maybe that is where I am going wrong; I need crayons to converse with you since you rely so heavily on pictures.
Tell me, when you killed that slug last night, did you feel even a tinge of remorse for having murdered a relative?
RETIRE05
YOU’RE getting out of the thread, we have some work to do,
we better keep our mind focus on the case, so no trouble will change our focus,
just a matter of control is most needed
bye
@retire05:
Hate to be the one to break it to ya toots, but you still can’t effectively read and understand the written word. Perhaps you should add the pictures back in as a visual aid.
As to feeling remorse for killing your relative, nah, I figure you’ve got plenty more just like it.
@Aye:
ROTFLMAO
as well as a pathetic attempt at rebuttal.
@retire05:
That’s all ya got? Pathetic rebuttal indeed.
Heh!
@Aye:
Yeah, you and Mata FAILED to accept my apology. Game on.
I will continue to highlight and point out the bitter, vituprative nature of all those members of the Flopping Aces Lynch Mob.
@Aye: That�s all ya got? Pathetic rebuttal indeed.
@MataHarley:
Long long before Dershowitz and uniquely among the ancient peoples Jews began to reveal the disturbing fact the victims of scapegoating may well be innocent. Let there be no mistake George Zimmerman may or may not be innocent but he is certainly a scapegoat.
Why is it that you dodge the pertinent of my query to you, Mike? You were trying to talk about GZ being a scapegoat, I point out that you, yourself, linked to Dershowitz’s defense tactics that it was often necessary to put the government on trial for misconduct when representing *guilty* defendants… which he is doing INRE the Zimmerman affidavit, and Corey with her alleged threat to sue… and you come back with an observation about Jewish persecution as the response?
Jews were never a scapegoat. They were specifically and deliberately sought out for genocide, which was not an intention to divert focus away from anything or anyone else. The focus was directly on them, and what the Nazis considered their race inferiority.
@MataHarley:
Speaking of unique grasp of time.
What I demonstrated is what is obvious to fair minded people, that reasonable men would have gotten out of the vehicle in order to observe where Trayvon Martin was going. George Zimmerman should not be condemned for doing so. He should be commended for his sense of civic responsibility. If George Zimmerman had gotten out of his car having observed Winston Mosley acting strange on the night of March 13, 1964 Kitty Genovese would likely have live long enough to collect Social Security.
How about crediting George Zimmerman for his civic involvement, Mata? He saw, he called, he cared.
And …
@Mike O’Malley:
What I questioned was your grasp of time:
First of all, my answer to your hypothetical as to what I would do is not a “unique grasp of time”. Secondly, it’s a desperate stretch that “requires the willing suspension of disbelief” to “commend” Zimmerman for his “sense of civic responsibility” to exit his car and follow someone not doing anything illegal or posing any threat to himself or to the neighborhood properties, while armed, and not consider what would happen if he met up with that individual… which just so happens to be the foundation of the State’s case for murder two. He was not instructed to get out of the vehicle by the dispatcher. And even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he assumed that such questions as “let me know if he’s doing anything” or “which way was he running” entailed that action, it was unmistakeably made clear that was a no no when the dispatch said “we don’t need you to do that”, and then try to arrange a meeting with the PD at a known location. It is also abundantly clear via the neighborhood watch training by police that watch individuals are not to attempt to pursue or confront any suspicious individual, and that they most certainly are not to do so armed.
Again I will state, just because there are no laws against GZ demonstrating irresponsibility and bad judgement on all of the forementioned, that does not mean he is absolved of these actions… sans any law… when a death occurs. It isn’t against the law to eat a big Mac while you’re driving down the road (yet), but if you kill someone while doing so, that choice to dine and drive will be used as evidence that you were irresponsible in your choices which led to the death of another.
I don’t think he was afraid of Martin either. However if you go back thru the threads, you will find those who insist that GZ felt threatened when he discussed TM approaching him to “check me out” and said to get an officer there. That argument is always extremely weak when you consider that he didn’t feel sufficiently threatened to get out of the car in the first place. However it may be interesting to see whether GZ, himself, says he felt threatened prior to exiting his car in order to justify his suspicions of TM warranted his aggressive behavioral decisions.
As far as GZ’s dedication to civic responsibility, I am not in the position to judge whether this is because of a love of neighborhood, or a love of his own sense of authority as a psuedo police officer… a job to which he aspired. And neither are you.
Mike O’ Malley
hi,
and I maintain his innocence, and I don’t expect him to be a perfect human like nobody is, since when do a judge decide to put his client back in jail because of money that he did not disclose for personal and obvious reason for his and family safety,
and that the judge use his power supreme because he is lead to anger by a prosecutor hungry for making him a felon in a society of already many thousands of felons that is not counting the jailed criminals,[ which lead us to believe there are a big problem right there and not resolved leaving the felons outcast of a society who disengaged from them totaly
and for life of struggles to survive].]
and the innocent jailed because the prosecutor end up to be stronger than the lawyer,
what is this telling us the society?
IS IT THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE BECOME THE HOSTAGES OF THE JUSTICE MAKERS SO TO FILL THEIR POCKETS ONLY WHERE THEY ARE FREE TO JAIL ANY ONE WHO DO NOT DISCLOSE AND BARE THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY SECRETS LIFE NEEDS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC WHO YELL
FOR PUNISHMENT BEFORE SEEING INNOCENCE,
is in it true that a person will think of securing his family before baring his personal assets to the COURT
WHICH HE DOESN’T KNOW IF THEY ARE AGAINST HIM OR FOR JUSTICE TO BE FULLY APPLY TO THEIR CASE, AND HOW WOULD HE TRUST THOSE NEW PEOPLE IN THAT COURT JUST FROM A COUPLE OF ENCOUNTERS TO BE WANTING HIS OWN INTEREST AS A HUMAN BEING,
INSTEAD OF HOW MUCH MONEY HE HAD RECEIVED FROM THE GOOD GENEROUS PEOPLE WHO TRUST HIM TO BE ALREADY INNOCENT WHICH IS OVER LOOK BY THAT COURT AS NOT IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ONLY POWER OF LIFE IN A FREE AMERICA OR A POWER TO JAIL HIM
AND CUT OUT YEARS OF HIS LIFE,
should not the court inspire the person under their total power, that he can believe in their just decision before they
require him to tell everything of his personal busyness
and be humiliate in front of all people outside in the MEDIA HUNGRY FOR DISSECTING THEIR STORY TO FIT THEIR OWN
INTENT
Ivan and Retired:
Do both of you drink from the same pool of stupidity and hypocrisy? Just curious….by the way retired, Ivan does love those cougars. Just think about it. He could make you happy and you can find his balls for him so he feels more like a man and less like a boy. And you could pretend that your logic and reason hasn’t left you years ago…you know back when you bladder first started to fail you on a regular basis. But don’t worry, Ivan is used to sleeping next to someone in diapers err rather Depends sorry. Ivan used to have a roommate but his mom moved to Florida……
@Ron H.:
@Ron H.:
Thank you for proving that when it applies to you, oxygen is often wasted. Perhaps you think your bar room gutter talk is cute, but frankly, all it does is show that you suffer from a diminished I.Q.
@Aye:
MATA
THE JEWS WHERE USED AS SCAPEGOAT BY HITLER WHO WAS A WEAKEN degenerate HUMAN,
EATEN BY SPHYLIS BUGS FROM WITHIN, HIS BODY, AND HATRED WITHIN HIS CORE DRIVING HIM
TO STEAL AND TORTURE AND KILL THE JEWS HE HAD CHOSEN BECAUSE HE COULDN’T BEAR TO ADMIT THE SUPER INTELLIGENCE OBVIOUS OF THAT NATION FOLLOWING GOD’S COMMANDS
Bees, I do understand that English is not your first language, and admire your tenacity to improve your command of our language. However you really need a better grasp of what the definition of a “scapegoat” is. Simply put, it’s like the magicians trick of getting you to watch his right hand, so you won’t focus on what he is doing with his left hand. Or, perhaps, the sacrificial lamb who is picked to take the punishment/burden of another.
This was not the case in Nazi Germany’s attempted genocide of Jews. It was direct and unhidden. They wanted to eliminate Jews from the face of the planet – and there are many that still share that sentiment – and it wasn’t to draw attention away from something, or someone else. Ergo, they were not scapegoats. They were the direct target by a cockroach of a human, and those that followed his orders.
So Mata is now claiming that the German Jews, in fact, all European Jews, were not “scapegoated” by the Nazi government, i.e. Hilter?
Really, Mata?
http:annefrankguide.net/en-US/bronnenbank.asp?oid=15956
The title of the article is The Jews as Scapegoats
Then there is this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/the_scapegoating_of_jews.html
and this:
http://www18.georgetown.edu/data/people/mmh/publication-7909.pdf
retire, Hitler blaming the Jews for the “plight” of Germany was an excuse for a genocide… not a genuine “scapegoat” situation… unless, of course, you want to buy in to his theory that they were indeed responsible for the “plight” of Germany. Such an assumption is an insult to the Jewish race everywhere. Hitler’s true reason was not Germany’s plight, but his hatred of the race.
But still, apparently for some some, Hitler’s excuses for genocide worked, giving credibility to his dementia.
scapegoat a person bearing the blame for the sins, shortcomings, etc., of others
The Oxford American Dictionary of Current English, c. 1999
Hitler blamed the Jews of Europe, and especially German Jews, for the ills of Germany that had only gotten worse since World War I. That Mata, is scapegoating. The initial act was to scapegoat the Jews; the result of that scapegoating was the genocide that followed.
And why would I buy into the theory that the Jews were to blame for Germany’s problems when it is clear they were not. They were scapegoated by Hilter, pure and simple.
And yes, the scapegoating against the Jews by the Nazis is classic scapegoating.
That still begs a body to believe that Hitler’s excuse for genocide had validity. His demented hatred for the Jews following WWI was directed, without credibility or rational substantiation, towards Jews, who did not fit in to his plan for a master race.
To call the Jews a “scapegoat” is the height of insults. They were targeted not to deflect from Germany’s plight post WWI, but because of Hitler’s Aryan master race beliefs, and where the Jews were the greatest offender.
I think the debate is missing an important component.
A scapegoat might be a willing victim, like Jesus was when he took the sins of all humankind with him to his sacrificial death.
Or it can be of the unwilling kind like when Hitler accused the Jews falsely of causing all of Germany’s woes.
If enough people buy into such a false accusation the scapegoat might indeed be killed or at least hated.
In our time both Israel (the Little Satan) and the United States (the Great Satan) have become scapegoats used by Arab and Islamic rulers to explain away the lack of basic necessities of their own people.
Most people under such rulers have little press freedom so they buy these lies and become haters of both Israel and the USA.
But neither the USA or Israel has anything to do with their own rulers stuffing their Swiss bank accounts at their people’s expense.
@retire05:
Facts are to liberals such as Mata and Aye as mirrors are to vampires.
Good find, Retire05, and you hit her to the curb.
@MataHarley:
“That still begs a body to believe that Hitler’s excuse for genocide had validity.”
Not so. Hitler did not to have valid reasons for the Jewish genocide, he simply need to convince non-Jews that he did. There was a reason that the Nazis did not broadcast the Jewish exterminations. Hilter, and those involved in that extermination understood that the German people would accept slave camps, etc. but even then, those like Bonhoffer protested the “slave” camps that were really extermination sites. But the German people were doing swimmingly financially, and they turned a blind eye to Hitler’s actions and accepted the claim that the Jews were responsible for Germany’s post WWI ills.
“To call the Jews a “scapegoat” is the height of insults.”
Then you need to start a dialog with numerous Jews who have written libraries full of documents/books/research papers that say the Jews were “scapegoated.” I am sure they will be interested to know that you disagree with them. Or perhaps you think they are just self-loathing Jews who really don’t know what they are talking about since they have “insulted” their own.
It seems, retire, that you want to argue an agreement of opinions, and then disregard that agreement for the sake of arguing. What did I say?
This differs from your above statement… how?
Hitler had his own motives for wanting to exterminate Jews from his master race plan. As you said, and as I labeled an “excuse for a genocide”, he merely needed “to convince non-Jews that he did” have a valid reason for that extermination.
In short, the “scapegoat” argument is a cover up for Hitler’s true intentions for genocide merely because of hatred for the race. I seriously doubt that you and I disagree on that.
@MataHarley:
Which brings us back to your original statement to Bees:
“Ergo [therefore], they [Jews] were not scapegoats.”
This statement was, and remains, factually wrong.
You seem to want to argue that since Hitler’s ultimate goal was the annihilation of the Jews, that they were “ergo, not scapegoats.” And again, you are wrong. Just as night follows day, and hangovers follow binge drinking, the scapegoating of the Jews was the first action, which was followed by the extermination camps.
And while I don’t disagree with you that the scapegoating was simply a cover for Hitler’s true intentions, it makes no difference in the fact that they were scapegoated. And all your circular arguing doe not change that.
So why don’t you woman up, and admit that your statement to Bees was wrong?
MATA AND RETIRE05
I WAS ASKING ANOTHER ON ANOTHER POST IF WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THE MUSLIMS INFLUENCED HITLER THAN and yes he gave me a link that the MULTI SOMETHING WAS ALL OVER HITLER IN GERMANY AND WAS INFLUENCIAL IN THE SLAUGHTER OF JEWS. I saw pictures of meeting
among them.
bye
MATA
can you believe that the father kill this man with his own hands because he was going to
attack his daughter, a predator of children the father was arrested and charge with murder,
they claimed the attacker had not begun his pervert attack yet,
@retire05:
Indeed the annihilation of the scapegoat is the penultimate event in the scapegoating process.
Among those steps are
a) escalating resentment of others within the community,
b) targeting a potential scapegoat through accusation,
c) formulating and casting an emotionally satisfying accusation against the scapegoating victim,
d) isolating the scapegoating victim,
e) rallying and unifying the community around the emotionally satisfying accusation made against the scapegoating victim,
f) The unified community annihilates the scapegoat through homicide or expulsion…
@MataHarley:
“blah, blah, blah…blah, blah, blah…” Can’t admit you were wrong, huh Mata?
@ilovebeeswarzone:
I don’t know where you got your information about the young father that beat to death the man who was sexually molesting his five year old daughter, but the Lavaca County, Texas grand jury refused to issue an indictment against the father. He will not be arrested nor tried for murder.
Also, the Lavaca County Sheriff’s Department has announced that his name will not be released to the public in order to protect the identity of his five year old daughter. There will be no “Just-Us” groups hounding this man to the ends of the earth.
@retire05:
Retire,
Mata is one woman who will never, ever admit she was wrong.
Everyone and their mother knows the Jews were scapegoated, among other things, yet in her attempt to Cover her behind, she’ll attempt to baffle you with b*llship.
Keep it coming, Retire, the enemy is in full retreat.
@MataHarley:
And you would call that an intellectually honest response!
The neighborhood watch sign posted at the gates of George Zimmerman’s community explicitly says:
I’m stunned!
How many times must one repeat the obvious?
The last WE SEE Trayvon Martin alive is in the 7-11 videos. He appears to be quite stoned. He buys ingredients for ‘Lean”, “Purple Drank”. It appears that he has a third party buy blunts with which to smoke marijuana for him. Trayvon Martin had measurable levels of THC in his blood. Trayvon Martin is walking alone in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella. When Zimmerman first sees Martin, Martin is walking alone in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella, with his hoodie down. Zimmerman calls the Sanford police and tells them that Martin is acting strange, acting like he is on drugs. Martin has taken almost 40 minutes to walk less than a half a mile alone in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella, with his hoodie down!
[SARC] Can’t imagine that a reasonable person would find anything suspicious about that! It’s not as though Martin did anything truly disturbing like calling a police dispatcher and or like exiting his vehicle in his own neighborhood! [/SACR]
If George Zimmerman had gotten out of his car having observed Winston Mosley acting strange on the night of March 13, 1964 Kitty Genovese would likely have live long enough to collect Social Security.
How about crediting George Zimmerman for his civic involvement, Mata? He saw, he called, he cared.
Well perhaps it should be amended to add “and follow your arse around until you’re shot”, eh?
I supposed it’s fruitless to point out that the “suspicious activity” was wearing a hoodie, and not being known to George Zimmerman while walking around a neighborhood where he had a every right to be. Then we can add that the highly “suspicious activity” of wearing a hoodie, walking in the neighborhood and not being known to GZ had already been reported.
Unfortunately for TM, GZ got to him before the Sanford PD did.
@retire05:
@MataHarley:
And you sarcastically beg the question, No?
According to Ben Crump’s account of Dee Dee’s tale Martin told her that some man was following and watching him (Martin that is). That tale goes on to say that Dee Dee then told Martin to cover his head with his hoodie and walk past Zimmerman’s vehicle. Zimmerman was already on the phone with the police dispatcher when Martin put on his hoodie. The now hooded Martin then circled Zimmerman’s vehicle. Without doubt we can assume the Martin observed Zimmerman on the phone. It seems reasonable to assume that Martin then heard and recognized that Zimmerman was on the phone with the local police. [This is when Martin began to flee. He ran.]
Your sarcastic retort Mata seems to lack a certain desirable quality, say intellectual honesty? Maybe? Maybe as Christopher Lasch would say you just need us to help you think this through.
But one may ask, how many times must one repeat the obvious?
The last WE SEE Trayvon Martin alive is in the 7-11 videos. He appears to be quite stoned. He buys ingredients for ‘Lean”, “Purple Drank”. It appears that he has a third party buy blunts, with which he can smoke marijuana, for him. Trayvon Martin had measurable levels of THC in his blood. Trayvon Martin is walking alone in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella. When Zimmerman first sees Martin, Martin is walking alone in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella, with his hoodie down. Zimmerman calls the Sanford police and tells them that Martin is acting strange, acting like he is on drugs. Martin has taken almost 40 minutes to walk less than a half a mile alone in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella, with his hoodie down!
If George Zimmerman had gotten out of his car having observed Winston Mosley acting strange on the night of March 13, 1964 Kitty Genovese would likely have live long enough to collect Social Security.
How about crediting George Zimmerman for his civic involvement, Mata? He saw, he called, he cared.
@MataHarley:
Christ is the ultimate Scapegoat who has revealed the Scapegoating Mechanism to us.
retire05
I heard that on the NEWS FOX a couple of days ago,
I was so devastated to learn it
I am so glad to know that, he won’t be charge, for him,
hail for TEXAS USA, I love their smart brains,
ANGELA COREY FLORIDA , EAT YOUR HEART OF
FOR JAILING INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO SHOOT TO SAVE THEIR LIFE
bye
Retired:
Speaking of diminished IQs……………
@Ron H.:
Hello Ron H.:
Perhaps you can help me understand a few things.
First permit me to frame my questions Ron.. The tragedy of Trayvon Martin was not caused by a chance encounter on February 26, 2012. It’s origins lie no sooner than the Summer of 2011 when young Trayvon began heavy use of illegal drugs. Something the worthy Loyal Order of Saint Skittles seems determined not to plumb. If one looks deeper one may find roots of the tragedy of Trayvon Martin in the failure of his parent’s marriage. Marriage failure is a known scourge afflicting many young Americans but scourge that afflicts almost all young Black Americans. It is far far easier to demonize some sad cracker of the month than it is to courageously essay the debris field left behind by marriage failure, illegal drug use and gangsta culture.
Earlier I chided, yes Mata, there is no Santa Claus nor is there a Saint Skittles. There is however the tragedy of young Trayvon Martin. There is also the on-going tragedy of one murder on average of one Black male every hour in American. Murder almost always committed by other Black males.
Mind you we skeptics have yet to encounter a worthy rational for why the Loyal Order of Saint Skittles focused upon the death of Saint Skittles to the exclusion of those other 8,000 to 9,000 dead during the last twelve months.
Was it the Afro-Peruvian Cracker with the conceal and carry permit?
Was it the handiwork of Ryan Julison et al?
Was it the fact that the gunman having called the police exited his vehicle as opposed to shooting down Saint Skittles outside the 7-11 during a drive-by? (see below)
Just what makes the death of Saint Skittles important as opposed to say that of Joseph Biggs?
Joseph Briggs, Chicago 16-Year-Old, Fatally Shot While Standing On Porch
Teen dies hours after being shot in the head on Southwest Side
Why do the many demand “Justice for Trayvon” while young Joseph Biggs has been forgotten by now?
Mike O’ Malley
I just saw on FOX WITH MEAGAN, THE VIDEO of GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TELLING THE POLICE on the ground where he was, the event of what happened, he described as it was TRAYVON attacked him pushing, he fell and TRAYVON WENT DOWN ON HIM on him and what I learned is that when one
BYSTANDER open his door ZIMMERMAN heard it and SAID help me help me I need help, AND THE GUY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CALLING THE POLICE, AND ZIMMERMAN SAID I NEED HELP, TRAYVON HAD PUT HIS HAND ON HIS MOUTH SAYING SHUT UP HIS OTHER HAND ON HIS NOSE , AND KEPT BASHING HIS HEAD ON THE Concrete, GZ SAID I felt my head swelling
then, his t shirt lift up during his call for help, catching the attention of TRAYVON TOWARD THE GUN, HE TRAYVON said i will kill you START MOVING HIS HAND TOWARD GZ SIDE, AND ZIMMERMAN REACH INCHES TOWARD HIS BACK TOOK OUT THE GUN AND SHOOT TRAYVON WHO SAID YOU GOT IT
SO now we know when he took his gun to shoot precisely as the other was reaching for it inches away,
this was video right after it happened, GZ BEING ASK TO RECONSTRUCKED THE EVENT RIGHT AT THE SITE,
bye
@MataHarley:
No, it doesn’t. The fact is, and it is indisputable, except in your narrow universe, that the Jews were scapegoated for Germany’s WW1 lose.
The fact you can’t admit you were wrong-not surprisingly given you never, ever admit you’re wrong-only shows the depths of your denial and your insecurity.
@Ron H.:
Well how about it Ron.? Why do the many demand “Justice for Trayvon” while young Joseph Biggs has been forgotten by now?
@Mike O’Malley:
A 16-year-old boy died this morning, hours after he was shot in the head while standing on the front porch of his home on the city’s Southwest Side, police said.
Killed was Joseph Briggs, of the 6100 block of South Rockwell Street, according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office.
Now the killing of Joseph Briggs could be a textbook case of second degree murder. Young Joe Biggs was standing on his porch with friends and a car with several unidentified people drives by and someone in the car sprays the kids on the porch with gun fire and Joe Biggs takes a round in the head.
The first thing the Chicago police presumed was the killing was drug related however.
Still why do the many demand “Justice for Trayvon” while young Joseph Biggs has been forgotten by now?
Mike O’ Malley
there we go again with the new bond on GEORGE ZIMMERMAN,
HE WAS ACCUSED OF WANTING TO ESCAPE. THAT MUST BE THE PROSECUTOR,
TERRIBLE, THEY MINIMIZE HIS WOUNDS ALSO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT?
BYE
the judge is ruthless, asking a million bond, just like the prosecutor ask at the start, he won now,
he must be celebrating with CRUMP, AND THE JUDGE IS STILL MAD AT GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, BECAUSE HE LEAN ON THE PROSECUTOR,
NOW THEY SAY THAT HE WANTED TO ESCAPE AND IT WAS TWARP,
WHAT DOES THAT COME FROM? THE JUDGE REPEATED IT,
AND O MARRA, ASK FOR SUPPORT TO THOSE IN PUBLIC SUPPORTING HIS INNOCENSE,
WHAT ARE THEY TURNED ABOUT, THEY EVEN SAY THAT HIS HEAD BASHING WAS A MINER BRUISE,
THAT SIDE OF THE MEDAL ARE DESPICABLE