Exposed: The Muslim Brotherhood/Al-Qaeda Connection

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Raymond Ibrahim:

As former Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi’s trials continue, it’s enlightening to consider what is likely to be one of the centerpieces of the trial: longstanding accusations that Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood party worked with foreign terrorist organizations, including al-Qaeda, against the national security of Egypt.

Based on these accusations of high treason, Morsi and others could face the death penalty.

Concerning some of the more severe allegations, one of Egypt’s most widely distributed and read newspapers, Al Watanrecently published what it said were recorded conversations between Morsi and Muhammad Zawahiri, al-Qaeda leader Ayman Zawahiri’s brother.

In these reports, Watan repeatedly asserts that Egyptian security and intelligence agencies confirmed (or perhaps leaked out) the recordings.

Much of the substance of the alleged conversations is further corroborated by events that occurred during Morsi’s one-year-rule, most of which were reported by a variety of Arabic media outlets, though not by Western media.

In what follows, I relay, summarize, and translate some of the more significant portions of theWatan reports (verbatim statements are in quotation marks). In between, I comment on various anecdotes and events—many of which were first broken on my website—that now, in light of these phone conversations, make perfect sense and independently help confirm the authenticity of the recordings.

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The first recorded call between Muhammad Morsi and Muhammad Zawahiri lasted for 59 seconds. Morsi congratulated Zawahiri on his release from prison, where he had been incarcerated for jihadi/terrorist activities against Egypt, and assured him that he would not be followed or observed by any Egyptian authorities, and that he, Morsi, was planning on meeting with him soon. Prior to this first call, Refa’ al-Tahtawy, then Chief of Staff, mediated and arranged matters.

The presidential palace continued to communicate regularly with Muhammad Zawahiri, and sources confirm that he was the link between the Egyptian presidency and his brother, Ayman Zawahiri, the Egyptian-born leader of al-Qaeda.

It should be noted that, once released, the previously little-known Muhammad Zawahiri did become very visible and vocal in Egypt, at times spearheading the Islamist movement.

The next recording between Morsi and Zawahiri lasted for 2 minutes and 56 seconds and took place one month after Morsi became president. Morsi informed Zawahiri that the Muslim Brotherhood supports the mujahidin (jihadis) and that the mujahidin should support the Brotherhood in order for them both, and the Islamist agenda, to prevail in Egypt.

This makes sense in the context that, soon after Morsi came to power, the general public did become increasingly critical of him and his policies, including the fact that he was placing only Brotherhood members in Egypt’s most important posts, trying quickly to push through a pro-Islamist constitution, and, as Egyptians called it, trying in general to “Brotherhoodize” Egypt.

This second phone call being longer than the first, Zawahiri took it as an opportunity to congratulate Morsi on his recent presidential victory—which, incidentally, from the start, was portrayed by some as fraudulent—and expressed his joy that Morsi’s presidency could only mean that “all secular infidels would be removed from Egypt.”

Then Zawahiri told Morsi: “Rule according to the Sharia of Allah [or “Islamic law”], and we will stand next to you. Know that, from the start, there is no so-called democracy, so get rid of your opposition.”

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Kerry to Israeli critics: I’ve been ‘attacked before by people using real bullets’

“For Israel there is an increasing delegitimizing campaign that has been building up,” Kerry said, without condemning the effort. “People are very sensitive to it. There are talks of boycotts and other kinds of things.”

In response, Israel’s economy minister Naftali Bennett harshly criticized Kerry’s failure to speak out against the delegitimization campaign at the conference.

“We expect our friends around the world to stand beside us, against anti-Semitic boycott efforts targeting Israel, and not for them to be their trumpet,” he said in a statement. (snip)

“My comments need to be properly represented, not distorted. I did not do anything except cite what other people are talking about as a problem,” Kerry said. ”But I also have always opposed boycotts. I have 100 percent voting record in support of Israel for 29 years in the United States Senate. Unfortunately, there are some people in Israel and in Palestine and in the Arab World and around the world that don’t support the peace process.”

“Israel needs to understand we will always stand by its security needs,” he continued. “But no one should distort what we’re doing or saying because they’re opposed to the peace process or don’t like two states or whatever. And, you know, words — I have to tell you, my friend, I’ve been, quote, attacked before by people using real bullets, not words, and I am not going to be intimidated. I am not going to stand down with respect to President Obama’s commitment to trying to find peace in the Middle East.”

Hey, Kerry, have you ever had missiles shot at your home, your children’s schools or your chosen place of worship? Have you had suicide bombers walk into your neighborhood or workplace and detonate? Does your nearest neighboring community refuse to recognize your right to exist, and send terrorists into your hometown to destroy as many as they can? Kerry is an example of what a piece of excrement looks like in a Brooks Brother’s suit.

HIS BULLY TONE IS NOT SCARING ISRAEL,
THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY KNOW IS BEST FOR THEIR COUNTRY,
KERRY WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT IT MEAN TO LIVE IN FEAR,
around mongrous haters,

I’ve been waiting to see if any Muslims attacked Raymond Ibrahim’s translations of these incriminating phone calls.
So far nothing.
Isn’t it odd.
Obama seems to side with Muslim Brotherhood even as Muslim Brotherhood was aligning with al Qaeda in Egypt.
Obama goes easy on Iran even as Iran runs weapons to al Qaeda and Taliban who kill Americans in Iraq/Afghansitan.
Obama stands off to the side in Syria as al Qaeda consolidates power there.
I keep asking:
Whose side is Obama on?

Nanny G
yes you are right on, I’m wondering if someone else see it so clearly,
the evil power is very strong, but I never thought it could be here and so strong,
as to inhibil THE MIND OF A COLLECTIVE SOCIETY

Nanny G
watch the OPENING show of SOSHI, ALL THE WAY TO THE END,
you will like it,

Nanny G
Ben Carson is noticing the 3.3 billion pass to the DEMOCRATS,
spread in stupidity expanses,
HE IS VERY ANGRY TO SEE THE DEMOCRATS GAME,
I like BEN CARSON HE IS QUICK TO SEE A FRAUD,
HE SHOULD RUNN FOR OFFICE,
NO ONE WOULD PLAY IN HIS HAIRS,

@Nanny G:

Whose side is Obama on?

That question become even more important when you realize that in January, quietly, Obama met with the head UK lobbyist for the Muslim Brotherhood, Anas Al-Tikriti, who showed up at the White House with the Iraqi delegation. When questioned about Al-Tikriti being at the White House, in the presence of both VP Joe Biden but President Obama as well, the White House said that Al-Tikriti was there as an “interpreter” and referred the press to the Iraqi government.

So let me see if I have this correct; our government is allowing a Muslim Brotherhood big wig to just walk into the White House and visit with both our president and vice-president, and they don’t know why so we have to ask the Iraqi government? There is no one on the President’s Secret Service detain that says “Whoa, guys, this clown is getting no where near the POTUS”?

The Muslim Brotherhood has been more than welcomed by the current CIC, in both the United States and his support of the former Egyptian President Morsi. Nevermind that the MB was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial and also named as a terror supporting organization.

None of this surprises me. I have been doing a lot of research on Islamic indoctrination in the United States for the last five months. It is being injected into our schools through a program, funded by the NEH, called Muslim Journeys. Children are being taught that Islam is just another “peaceful” religion that has contributed much to the American culture. It is all a lie.

@retire05: I’d be interested in knowing in what specific schools Muslim Journeys is being taught.

@Richard Wheeler:

I’d be interested in knowing in what specific schools Muslim Journeys is being taught.

You might want to re-read what I wrote and rephrase your question.

@retire05: What exactly is being “injected into our schools.” In which schools is this taking place? How does Muslim Journeys play a role in this indoctrination.
I would like to contact the administrators of the schools where this is taking place. Thanks

@Richard Wheeler:

In which schools is this taking place?

I would like to contact the administrators of the schools where this is taking place.

And say what to them?

@retire05: Per your request in #9, I rephrased my question in #10. How bout an answer. Thanks

@Richard Wheeler:

You want an answer to what schools I am referring to? Well, I don’t know about California, RW, and frankly, your state is such a hot bed of radical Islamists (UC Berkeley, to be precise) I doubt you would care or you would already be on top of the subject. But I can give you a list of what libraries received the grant, and it will be up to you to find out what school district in California injected the program into its class rooms.

http://bridgingcultures.neh.gov/muslimjourneys/themes/muslimjourneys/files/MJ-bookshelf-winners.pdf

@retire05: You said schools 05, not libraries.
Guess you just made it up.

@Richard Wheeler:

You said schools 05, not libraries.
Guess you just made it up.

I don’t make stuff up, asshole. If you want to know what schools the Muslim Journeys program, or any part of it, was put into California schools, then it is up to you to do your own research. I am not your research lackey. I will give you this much information; the libraries were given the grants. What school districts decided to partner with the library on the grant, in California, is up to you to find out (each library required participating partners in order to receive the grant). You can call all those public libraries and ask them. You do know how to dial a telephone, right?

And why should I be interested in what California does? Or any other state, for that matter. Keeping up with the liberal goals attempts at destruction in my own state is enough.

@retire05: You made it up sweetheart. Not the first time. Or the last.

@Richard Wheeler:

You made it up sweetheart. Not the first time. Or the last.

Really? And you know that how? Did you call every one of those libraries on the list just for California and ask them if any of the material from Muslim Journeys was incorporated into any public school class material? Oh, wait, perhaps you did a Google search and couldn’t find anything because every one knows that every class in every school publishes a list of the curriculum they use, right?

No, instead you want to blow smoke out your butt and call me a liar when you don’t have a clue about the grants, the programs, what schools might have used any part of it in the class room. You remain the ultimate asshole that just likes to pretend you are so much smarter, and well informed, than you really are. You are the typical big mouthed progressive that craps on the uniform you once wore.

I wouldn’t be a damn bit surprised to learn that you support the violent actions of Students for Justice For Palestine against Jewish students and Jewish professors at UC Berkeley.

How about providing me with a list of the California libraries that received the grant that you called to verify that none of the books, or films, were used in any public school class room?

You’re full of crap, RW. You know it and I know it.

@retire05: You continue to rant and rave like the crazed old hag you are.
I asked you a simple question.Name the schools You go off the deep end. Sad

Richard, if you look at the CA list from that link, you see many CA colleges libraries carry that set of books.

But did you know that all one has to do to convert to Islam is repeat a certain phrase?
No?
Neither do little school children.
So how bad was it of a public school in Colorado to assign a song with THAT phrase in it to their choir?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/colorado-student-reportedly-quits-choir-over-islamic-song/
Do you recall the Common Core questions about reading comprehension using 9-11-01 as the information to be digested/regurgitated?
Parts of that paragraph were egregious misrepresentations about why 9-11-01 happened, even getting where the hijackers came from and their wealth/poverty 180 degrees wrong!
Worse still it forced the students to put wrong concepts into their own words as if they, themselves believed them!
This is from the 2014 GED test aligned with the Common Core State Standards…..

Question: Should rich countries continue to give aid to poor countries, or should they stop giving aid? Develop an argument that supports your position, and make sure to use specific details to help develop your ideas.

Portion of paragraph:

“…..Poorer countries, because they have weak governments, often have areas that attract terrorist groups because no one is there to stop them from pursuing those types of activities……. This is in fact what happened on 9/11…… terrorists from Afghanistan hijacked planes and carried out attacks on the United States…..”

As time passes and these children are too young to remember 9-11-01 for themselves, this misinformation becomes their facts.
How skewed is their understanding of Islam going to be?

Nanny G
yes to that

Richard Wheeler
you insult a good CONSERVATIVE, WHO IS HOME HERE, IN A CONSERVATIVE BLOG,
YOU DON’T BRING NOTHING HERE, EXCEPT TRY TO CATSHA,
THIS CONSERVATIVE DOES BRING MORE THAN YOU EVER WILL
EVER, SHOW SOME OF THE CLASS AND MANNERS YOU HAVE LEARNED IN THE MARINES,
YOU FORGOT THEM ALL, STOP YOU’R QUESTIONS AND BRING SOME FEED INSTEAD, YOU NEVER DO,
IF YOU HAVE TO INSULT YOU SHUT UP BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ASS OF YOURSELF,

Nanny G
I am so glad when I hear student come out publicly to expose wrong and false teaching
which is done by a person with suppose knowledge of the truth,
and use the power of teaching to implant foreign lies they want the young to remember,
they being expose are more incline to be aware that the students are not going to put up with their lies,
and show America what they are fed by any willful or ignorant
troll trying to lead them in the lies,

@Nanny G: Thanks for your reasoned response I can see where certain Cal. College libraries have Muslim Journeys. They most certainly have texts that are Buddhist, Hindu ,Christian etc.
This is what libraries are for. Are we to prevent libraries from carrying these works? Because these books are in the libraries does it mean their “teachings” are in the curriculum? Do you think courses on comparative religions should be taught? One of the best courses I took in college compared the art ,music and religions of different countries through the Renaissance Period.
I certainly would agree a course that teaches 9/11 hijackers came from Afghan should be corrected. I’d say the same about anyone propounding they came from Iraq.
Nan and Bees My promise that I will no longer “engage” with 05. Our mutual dislike adds nothing to the F.A. experience.
Enjoy the weekend.

@Richard Wheeler:

I can see where certain Cal. College libraries have Muslim Journeys.

You obviously used selective reading. Most of the libraries that were awarded the Muslim Journeys Bookshelf grant were NOT college universities, even in California. You have the list. I provided the link. What percentage of libraries in California that was given the Bookshelf grant are college libraries and what percentage were public (city, county owned) libraries?

They most certainly have texts that are Buddhist, Hindu ,Christian etc.

As they should.

This is what libraries are for. Are we to prevent libraries from carrying these works?

Absolutely not.

Because these books are in the libraries does it mean their “teachings” are in the curriculum?

Here is where you show that you are just punting when it comes to this program, trying to speak from a position of being uninformed.

Do you think courses on comparative religions should be taught?

Of course, but if you are going to teach about the Crusades, you have to then teach about radical/fundamentalist Islam.

One of the best courses I took in college compared the art ,music and religions of different countries through the Renaissance Period.

Well, there you go. You were “college” age, and hopefully, able to know when a professor was providing fact based information or proselytizing/indoctrinating. Generally, early grade high schoolers have not yet developed those abilities.

You don’t want to debate me not because it “adds nothing to the F.A. experience” but because you operate from a point of being uninformed. And when you are asked specific questions, as I often do of you, you dodge them like Superman dodges a speeding bullet. Like when you refer to me as a “crazed old hag” yet refuse to tell us your age, even after I ask you (just one example of your unwillingness to respond to specific questions, no matter the issue).

Like I said; you’re full of crap.

@Nanny G:

As time passes and these children are too young to remember 9-11-01 for themselves, this misinformation becomes their facts.
How skewed is their understanding of Islam going to be?

Therein lies the problem.

The goal is to sanitize Islam, and its violent ways. The Muslim Journeys Bookshelf, given to over 900 libraries in the U.S., was just the beginning of the NEH/ALA program. If it were just a bunch of books being put into libraries, that would be one thing, but it went much farther than that.

The second grant by the NEH was the “Let’s Talk About It” grant of $4,500.00 paid to public libraries. This money was intended to fund “events” where Islamic scholars would go to the community and discuss “a book or film” from the Bookshelf grant. But the “scholars” had one goal; tell everyone in attendance that everything they thought about Islam, or the violence of Islam, is wrong and we all suffer from Islamophobia. When the books from the Bookshelf grant were used by a teacher in a history, geography or any social studies class, the students were then told that they would receive extra credit by attending the “events.”

There was a third grant from NEH of $1,000.00 that facilitated travel for librarians to a seminar on the Muslim Journeys program in Denver. I have tracked some of the speakers at that seminar, and a number of them have strong connections to CAIR, ISNA and yes, even the Muslim Brotherhood.

It should bother everyone that our government, along with money from certain foundations, are spending millions and millions of dollars to present programs that sanitize radical Islam, and that these programs are directed toward students, in particular.

RW will argue that the program was isolated to libraries only. Again, he shows how poorly informed he is. Each grant required participating partners and those partners were to give “in-kind” matching funds. Let’s say the local newspaper is a participating partner. The local newspaper then has to advertise the “bookshelf and events” without charging the library for the advertisement. That is an “in-kind” matching fund. If a school district is a participating partner, it must incorporate the material from the Muslim Journey in some way into the curriculum. Again, an “in-kind” contribution to the grant.

The truth is that RW was unaware of the programs until I mentioned them; he did not research the programs and simply called me a liar because he was too lazy to see if I was right.

Retire05
they are so well organize they outwit the teachers who fall for it and the money,
do they take the citizens for fool? YES THEY DO,
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS, NO ONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE
to stop them, well they are already in the WHITE HOUSE, influencing the elected,
some are already sold to their belief, and carry allegiance to them, and bow to them
like an inferior person who must work for them because they they have been elected with their money,
and sold their allegiance to them, and invited them with their minions and houses to lodge them,
covered with a dome to be recognize,and to spread their
well learned story which doesn’t belong in this AMERICA,

@ilovebeeswarzone:

do they take the citizens for fool? YES THEY DO,

And Richard Wheeler is a prime example of that. Did he know anything about the grants and the programs before I brought them up? Chances are, no. Did he have time to research my claim that materials from the programs were being put into our public schools? No. Instead, he decided he would try to make me out to be a liar and say that I was just making things up, when he had zero information on the grants and programs from anyone but me.

Now the weasel says he will no longer “engage” me. He doesn’t “engage” anyone that is on the opposite side of his political aisle; he simply says they are making stuff up when he, in fact, is the clueless one making stuff up.

retire05
Richard Wheeler IS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT HERE ANY ONE ELSE ALSO,
he come to try to find if he can catch us doing what he can make a story about and laugh,
when he think he embarrass one CONSERVATIVE and diminish his or her profile, and confidence,
he take it as a fun game, nothing serious with him, he will be the first one surprise to hear negatives about
anyone he follow, as perfect, he ask questions to be able to deny your answer,
and disapear in the numb zone,
bye

@Richard Wheeler:

Thanks for your reasoned response I can see where certain Cal. College libraries have Muslim Journeys. They most certainly have texts that are Buddhist, Hindu ,Christian etc.
This is what libraries are for. Are we to prevent libraries from carrying these works?

RW, that’s a very interesting question. “Are we to prevent libraries from carrying these works?” Up until reading the links that Tom provided yesterday about Supreme Court rulings, I’m not now sure what the correct answer is. If you consider that the state spending money on a teacher, a school and books for students is allowed, but that teacher can’t spend one minute of their time telling students that they can say a prayer if they so choose, or that they are required to observe a moment of silence, or can’t spend a minute saying a prayer themselves, because that would be ‘establishing’ a religion, then with that in mind, if the state spends a dollar on a book that contains religious information, isn’t that ‘establishing’ a religion? The state is deciding what religion is put into a library, and Lord knows we don’t want them to put too many Christian books in there and slight the Muslims. So if the same intent is applied to the library (tax payer funded) as to a public school, then I would have to say in response to your question, “Are we to prevent libraries from carrying these works?” That taxpayer money can not be spent to buy or library a book on religion as it might be ‘establishing’ a religion. Suppose the library chose to only house Christian books or only Islam books?

@Redteam:

That taxpayer money can not be spent to buy or library a book on religion as it might be ‘establishing’ a religion. Suppose the library chose to only house Christian books or only Islam books?

I would say that is a valid question. I would remind our gentle readers that the “Separation Between Church and State” is a Supreme Court Opinion on the “Establishment Clause” and the SCOTUS has on rare occasion revised and even rejected past SCOTUS opinions. Having said that:

If you go along with the leftist interpretation of the ” establishment clause” as a means to protect weak willed Democrats from the possibility of religious conversion: A government managed library can not have any religious books or materials of any kind in it, not even for reference, as a far-lefty would consider that in violation of the Constitution.

Yet, by law, the Congress requires publishers to send two copies of their publications to the Library of Congress and religious materials are not exempt. Amendment I:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Clearly, as the language of Constitution does not say that religious free speech is to be treated differently, it must be considered equal to other speech. We must pay particular attention to the proper use of a semicolon.

The semicolon is a simple piece of punctuation, much easier to work with than the comma because it follows fairly clear rules. If you learn the two simple rules explained here, you’ll rarely go wrong. It has two main uses, which are both easy to identify. You use it to connect two independent clauses together into one sentence, and you use it as a super-comma. You can use it in a few other unusual situations, but they come up rarely, and there are other ways to handle those situations. Learn them if you want to be perfect, but if you learn to recognize the two primary uses, you will do fine as semicolon user.

Aldus Manutius, the Elder, in 1494 established the practice of using the semicolon to separate words of opposed meaning and to allow a rapid change in direction in connecting interdependent statements.

We have to accept that the writers of the Constitution knew when and when not to use a semicolon. Therefore they intended that the “establishment clause” to separate the the treatment of religion and free speech. However, the use of a semicolon also indicates that the two statements (as well as the rest of the amendment,) are related. If the writers had wished for free speech and the right of assembly not to also apply to religion, they would have placed the concepts in separate Amendments. Since we know that all the founders supported the right of people to assemble for the particular religious services of their sect, (well known as part of the reason that earlier settlers colonized America,) and from their writings we know that they were against prohibitions regarding other religions, we must accept that the protections of assembly, address of grievances, and free speech are also afforded to the practitioners of all religion.

Ergo, religious speech is also free speech and the government is forbidden from prohibiting it.

Since the Government is prohibited from making laws to limit free exercise of religion, that leaves only the consideration of what the founders meant by: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. The Shakespearean period in England, (which the founders being educated men would have been well learned about,) was a bloody time of religious persecution by the government. When Catholics were in control they established Catholicism as the state religion and persecuted Protestants, when Protestants held power they established Protestantism as the state religion and persecuted Catholics, (and of course both persecuted other religions.) Because of the horrendous history of State Religions, it was this form of “establishment” that the founders found abhorrent and sought to protect the new nation from.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State
Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States,
shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States” Article VI, United States Constitution.

Again, as they knew from the Shakespearean period and afterwards, When a State Religion was established, The particular faith of a government official was required by law to be the same. The founders clearly wanted to prohibit the creation of a Theocracy or State Religion (which the Middle East is also a prime example of the problems of such rule), they also very clearly did not want the government to repress all religious activity or infringe in any other way on the free exercise of religion.

The founders also had no problem with religious prayer at public meetings, on which the SCOTUS is expected to make a ruling on in June of this year.

“If the 2nd Circuit’s decision is what the Establishment Clause requires, then Congress has been violating the Establishment Clause since it was ratified in 1791,” Klukowski said. His brief notes that in the 112th Congress, 97% of the prayers used to open House sessions were Christian, as opposed to Jewish or Muslim, yet the practice is widely accepted.

This SCOTUS decision will be very important in further defining the line of what is and is not religious establishment.

why change what is there if the framers had no problem with CHRISTIANITY then,
IF THEY FIND A PROBLEM IT BELONG TO HIM NOT THE PEOPLE’
HE IS THE ONE WHO MESSED IT UP, FIRST ON THE ABORTION PILL FORCING IT TO CHRISTIANS,
AND IT DEGENERATE FROM THER WITH HIM AGAIN ON RESTRICTING IT IN SCHOOLS<
AND SO ON, AND LIKE SMORGASBORD SAID, we only have to follow THE FRAIMER'S WRITTEN PAGES,
THE REST IS NOT HOLDING AND WOULD BE DESTROY BY THE NEXT COMMING PRESIDENT.
BUT THE FRAMER PAPERS ARE FOREVER, AND IF CHRISTIANS WHERE OKAY WITH THEM IT STILL OKAY AND EVEN MORE NEEDED AT THIS TIME OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Ditto
that is a good work and very well detailed,
and eazy to read,
THANK YOU,

@Ditto: Very good Ditto: I think I agree about 100% with that. I have no problem with the conventional definition or general understanding of what the establishment clause means. That the Federal or State governments can’t create an official religion for anyone. The recent interpretations, that you can’t say a prayer in school, is an incorrect interpretation. In fact, the rulings themselves don’t even claim that, but most interpretations say that’s what it means. Saying that a school or teacher can’t write a prayer, or provide a prayer for the students is not the same as saying that the students can not say a prayer.
By having a law that every book publisher that publishes a book in the US has to provide 2 copies to the library of congress eliminates the conditional ‘establishment’ because it is just a requirement for a book, not a religion or a ‘religious book’. And that provision does not require that the book has to be read or approved by anyone. At the same time, the allowance of a silent period in a school does not put forth a requirement for any prayer or statement. Therefore, there is no ‘establishment of a religion’.

@Ditto:

His brief notes that in the 112th Congress, 97% of the prayers used to open House sessions were Christian, as opposed to Jewish or Muslim, yet the practice is widely accepted.

I would also like to point out that Congress does not require any Representative or Senator to observe or participate in the prayers. They are not required to be in the chamber when the prayer is made. If the congress were to make a law requiring that a Christian prayer be said at the opening of each session and that the members were required to attend. That would be an establishment.

Redteam
you must know what it mean,
IRAN IS COMING IN THE ATLANTIC WITH A FLEET OF WARSHIPS,
just heard on FOX NEWS,

@Redteam:

This is the accommodation of faith that the founders again had no problem with. As they saw no contradiction with the “establishment clause” and their accepted government practice of accommodating religious speech in their meetings in the form of prayer, or in a government official presenting faith-based statements, we must accept that the freedom of speech was paramount and that this included speech of a religious nature and the use of the word “God” in discussion, as well as having the words “in God we trust” on our monies indicates that accommodation of professions of faith are not contradictory to the “establishment clause” . Therefore the “establishment clause” was clearly not meant to censor or ban the appearance of religious faith from all public and government forums, but only to forbid the establishment of a State Religion.

Mandatory and coercive forcing a person (by the government) to attend a religious services are forbidden, yet voluntary participation in prayer or or other free expression of religious was allowed as accommodation. Therefore the left’s continual assault on Nativity Scenes, the Ten Commandants or other such religious displays are inconsistent with the accommodation practices of the founders even as the Bill of Rights was being written. I must however also point out that to accept these conclusions, religious displays of other faiths must also be accommodated.

@Ditto:

Therefore the “establishment clause” was clearly not meant to censor or ban the appearance of religious faith from all public and government forums, but only to forbid the establishment of a State Religion.

Absolutely correct.

I must however also point out that to accept these conclusions, religious displays of other faiths must also be accommodated.

Ditto

@ilovebeeswarzone:

IRAN IS COMING IN THE ATLANTIC WITH A FLEET OF WARSHIPS,

Fleet is loosely used term, 1 destroyer and 1 helicopter carrier, and maybe 1 submarine. It’s the ones we discussed a couple weeks ago. It’s a propaganda show.

@Redteam:

It’s a propaganda show.

Not to mention a thumb in the eye of Obama. But Iran isn’t the only nation laughing at him. Russia is having a high time at his expense. Perhaps it has something to do with giving large campaign bundlers ambassadorships to nations the bundler has never been to, know nothing about or sending them to Spanish speaking nations when they can’t speak Spanish.

Remember how the world’s opinion of the United States was going to improve when Obama became president? Hell, he took on tiny Honduras, and lost.

@retire05:

And the submarine is a noisy diesel-electric.

@Redteam: RT You think Uncle Sam’s Navy is worried?
If you haven’t seen “42” yet it’s on HBO. As a fan of the game I Know you’ll like it.
I’d highly recommend it to ALL.

@Richard Wheeler:

If you haven’t seen “42″ yet it’s on HBO. As a fan of the game I Know you’ll like it.

I’ll watch it one day, I don’t care a lot about fiction movies. I know a lot of it is likely factual, but I’m also sure a lot is fiction.

RT You think Uncle Sam’s Navy is worried?

No, why would they be?
Iran just got those ships out of range of the Israeli air force. They’re a little worried right now.

@retire05:

Hell, he took on tiny Honduras, and lost.

And that was one of his high points, like Obamacare. I think we should chg Obamacare to Zippycare.

@retire05:

to nations the bundler has never been to, know nothing about or sending them to Spanish speaking nations when they can’t speak Spanish.

Surely you don’t question Obama’s competency…..

@Redteam: “Don’t care for fiction.” The Natural, Bull Durham,Field Of Dreams.??—“42” ranks with these three.
“Iranian Fleet” a joke– like the Iraqui Revolutionary Guard.

@Richard Wheeler:

” The Natural, Bull Durham,Field Of Dreams.??—”42″ ranks with these three.

about the same amount of fiction?

“Iranian Fleet” a joke

That’s how the liberal press identifies them…

Redteam
time is changin,
and we can no more be over confident that something cannot happen,
i think BENGHASI, WITH 4 DEATH, AND A COMPLACANT PRESIDENT IN ELECTION MODE, DO NOT DISTURB,
we can also refer to PEARL HARBOUR SURPRISE ATTACK,
and even back up to HITLER’S SUBMARINES IN THE ATLANTIC AND THOSE WHO LANDED IN
NEWFOUNDLAND, HAVING LOT OF TIMES TO BUILT A RADAR STATION,
to try to say that excuse to come and leave his WARSHIP at the door of AMERICA , in case he is attack,
is suspicious to my mind, and we must be on constant alert, SO TO NOT BE THE TARGET EVER,
I AM REFERING TO AN ATTACK IS ALWAYS SNEAKY AND KEPT WITH LIES of being seeking peace, OR ASKING A FAVOR TO OBAMA,TO PUT HIS WARSHIP IN OUR ATLANTIC,
and the excuse is suspect, you think the worse before thinking never would happen here,
and it did, and we saw the JAPANEESE PLANES, come too close before reacting, because we presume that ;it can’t happen ,or they wouldn’t dare, they did,

@Redteam: I don’t think anyone would question the greatness of Robinson as a player or as a man—Army Officer, UCLA grad, Branch Rickey picked the right guy at the right time.
From what I know this feel good, family movie was 80-90% non fiction. You’ll enjoy it.

THOSE WARSHIPS ARE NUCLEOR DRIVEN,
WHAT IF THEY ARE LOADED WITH NUCLEOR BOMBS,
AND GIVE US AN ULTIMATUM TO whathever they want or or or….
we say what what wat wat wa wa wa wwww

@Richard Wheeler:

You’ll enjoy it.

I’m sure I will, I plan to see it.