Collapse of the Capitol Riot Narrative

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by Julie Kelly

He is known as the “zip tie guy.”

In one of the most iconic photographs of the January 6 Capitol melee, Eric Munchel, wearing tactical gear, is seen holding up a fistful of zip ties in the Senate gallery. Munchel, the media quickly concluded, brought the flex cuffs to arrest lawmakers attempting to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election. The woman photographed with him later was identified as his mother, Lisa Eisenhart.

The top federal prosecutor who handled the first two months of the Justice Department’s Capitol breach probe recently bragged that Munchel was one of the first protestors targeted in the agency’s unprecedented 50-state manhunt for alleged “insurrectionists.”

Former U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin told “60 Minutes” that he authorized the arrest of more than 100 people prior to January 20 in a display of “shock and awe” to intimidate Americans who planned to protest Joe Biden’s inauguration; he specifically referred to the detention of the “the zip tie guy” as a way to send a message. “We wanted to take out those individuals that essentially were thumbing their noses at the public for what they did.”

Munchel and Eisenhart, once they realized they were under investigation, turned themselves in to law enforcement a few days after the Capitol protest. Government prosecutors successfully fought to keep both behind bars pending their trial although they committed no violent crime and had remained in the building for less than 15 minutes; on January 24, the D.C. federal judge presiding over the Capitol investigation ordered both defendants transported from Tennessee to a Washington jail to await their day in court.

Prosecutors darkly warned in late January the two Americans could be the first Capitol defendants to be charged with sedition, a crime almost never applied to U.S. citizens.

A Major Blow to the Prosecution

And that’s when the case against Munchel and Eisenhart began to fall apart. In fact, several cases now face an uphill battle as the Justice Department’s abusive overreach related to January 6 is exposed in federal court.



In a major blow to both prosecutors and judges who’ve signed off on dozens of orders to deny bail to Capitol breach defendants—including nonviolent offenders such as Munchel and Eisenhart—the D.C. Court of Appeals on March 26 asked a lower court to “consider anew the government’s motion for detention” for the pair.

The three judges carefully deconstructed the charges against mother and son, noting neither has been accused of violence such as assault or destruction of property. One judge argued the detention order should be reversed, not revisited. In his partial dissent, Judge Gregory Katsas took aim at the Justice Department’s exaggerated case.

“While there, they attempted neither violence nor vandalism,” Katsas wrote. “They searched for no Members of Congress, and they harassed no police officers. They found plastic handcuffs by chance, but never threatened to use them. Munchel’s threat to ‘break’ anyone who vandalized the Capitol was intended to prevent destruction and was addressed to no one in particular.”

Katsas detailed how both defendants fully cooperated with authorities, both were employed at the time of surrender—Eisenhart has been a nurse for 30 years—and neither has a criminal record with the exception of Munchel’s two marijuana possession charges from several years ago.

The only felony the government could come up with to charge Munchel and Eisenhart—who are being charged together—is “obstruction of an official proceeding,” which is an enhancement count filed against defendants charged with misdemeanors.

After the court’s spanking, the government withdrew its detention order on March 29: Munchel and Eisenhart will now live under the same home detention rules a Tennessee judge ordered more than two months ago and that the government successfully appealed.

The appellate court order had a quick impact on other cases. That same day, another federal judge, citing the court’s opinion, challenged the Justice Department’s pre-trial detention motions for two members of the Oath Keepers, a group facing conspiracy charges for its role in the Capitol breach.

U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta ordered the release of Donovan Crowl and Connie Meggs. (On March 24, Mehta released Laura Steele, a defendant in the Oath Keepers case, and on March 12, Mehta released an ailing 66-year-old veteran prosecutors accused, without evidence, of helping Oath Keepers plan to storm the building.) The government then withdrew its detention request for another Oath Keeper, Graydon Young, on March 29.

No Sedition Charges So Far

Despite heavy-handed threats and braggadocio about pending “sedition” cases, nearly three months later, the Justice Department has nothing even close to this boast—and their mouthpieces in the media are getting nervous.

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Compared to the daily insurrection of antifa/BLM, the Capitol…um….”disturbance” is completely dismissible.

The Left is violent.

The Right is not.

The government also will have to contend with the long-term legal consequences of continuing to pursue obstruction charges that will criminalize future political dissent.

Well, I’m not so sure about that. As we’ve seen, the left (which now controls Justice) can easily and with a totally straight face characterize months of violent looting, personal assault, burning businesses and buildings and trying to kill or killing cops as “mostly peaceful” while a momentary outburst of pent-up rage against a rigged and uncaring government is deemed “sedition”.

The left can blatantly lie about the events we can clearly see right before our eyes without the slightest sense of guilt or shame. Why not? The media will back them up.

But as we’ve seen the federal government, when driven by leftist ideology, can and will charge and convict anyone of anything regardless of commission of a crime or availability of evidence. No one is safe.

This has been idiot Biden’s “Enabling Act”, which Hitler used to suppress all civil rights and take dictatorial powers… and he never relinquished them.

January 13, 2022 – Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot

Stewart Rhodes — founder and leader of the extremist group Oath Keepers, whose members are accused of being key players in the Jan. 6 attack on Congress — has been indicted and arrested in connection with the riot, officials said Thursday.

The 56-year-old, who was at the Capitol that day but has said he did not enter the building, is the most high-profile person charged in the investigation so far. He is charged with seditious conspiracy, along with 10 other Oath Keepers members or associates, officials said.

Most of those individuals were previously arrested, but one, 63-year old Edward Vallejo of Phoenix, Arizona, is also facing charges as part of the case against the Oath Keepers for the first time. Officials said Rhodes was arrested this morning in Little Elm, Texas, and Vallejo was taken into custody in Phoenix.

A federal grand jury in the District leveled the new charges focusing on what prosecutors say is a core group of Oath Keepers adherents who allegedly planned for and participated in obstructing Congress on the day lawmakers certified President Biden’s 2020 election victory.

The indictments unsealed Thursday mark the first time anyone has faced charges of seditious conspiracy for the Jan. 6 attacks, though prosecutors have long signaled they were considering using that rarely-applied section of federal law.

In interviews with The Washington Post over the past year, Rhodes — a former Army paratrooper and Yale Law graduate who has become one of the most visible figures of the far-right anti-government movement — has repeatedly denied wrongdoing.

He said he was communicating with members of his group on Jan. 6, 2021 in an effort to “keep them out of trouble,” and emphasized that Oath Keepers associates who did go into the Capitol “went totally off mission.”

An attorney for Rhodes, Jonathon A. Moseley, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

An earlier indictment charged 19 of alleged Oath Keepers adherents with conspiracy and aiding and abetting the obstruction of Congress. Two of those individuals have pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with investigators. The rest have pleaded not guilty and are preparing for trials later this year.

In cases in which people have pleaded guilty, defendants acknowledged they were among a group that forced entry through the Capitol’s East Rotunda doors after marching single-file in tight formation up the steps wearing camouflage vests, helmets, goggles and Oath Keepers insignia.

Some defendants also admitted to stashing guns in a nearby Arlington, Va., hotel for possible use by what they called a “Quick Reaction Force.”

The attack on the Capitol occurred as lawmakers were gathered there to formally confirm Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory, amid repeated and unfounded allegations of widespread election fraud and as then-President Donald Trump was urging his supporters to “Stop the Steal.”

The certification of the election results was disrupted by the pro-Trump rioters, who injured scores of police officers and ransacked Capitol offices as lawmakers were evacuated from the House floor.

In court filings related to the original conspiracy case, prosecutors alleged that the group came to Washington at Rhodes’ urging. Rhodes began discussing plans to keep Trump in the White House by force as early as Nov. 9, the filings state.

Seven other alleged Oath Keepers members or associates were previously arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 riot but they were not charged in the large conspiracy case.

Prosecutors allege that before and during the riot, Rhodes exchanged dozens of encrypted messages, phone calls and other communications with members of the Oath Keepers group that breached the Capitol. Rhodes has accused prosecutors of trying to manufacture a nonexistent conspiracy.

In interviews with The Washington Post, Rhodes disputed previous government allegations regarding his encrypted posts to a group that included regional Oath Keepers leaders from several states at the scene.

The messages, on the Signal message app, were an attempt to keep the group members “out of trouble,” he said.

In an online interview Wednesday with NorthWest Liberty News, Rhodes said federal agents would “love to put me behind bars.”

But he insisted he had not committed crimes.

“I don’t do illegal activities. I always stay on this side of the line,” he said. “I know where the lines are, and it drives them crazy.

“So they’re, they’re actively hunting me down, they’ve got the DOJ running around sending the FBI out to investigate us, Oath Keepers, and they’re questioning all of our members across the country — even guys that didn’t go to D.C. — about me, and about their relationship with me. And the focus is on trying to build a case against myself and other Oath Keepers to bring us all in jail. But some people aren’t satisfied unless we’re all in jail.”

(What a perceptive observation.)

Rhodes also said he has grown disillusioned with Trump, accusing the former president of not supporting members of the Oath Keepers charged in the Jan. 6 investigion…

(He wasn’t so perceptive with that one. Who hasn’t Trump abandoned, once they’ve become a serious liability?)

18 U.S. Code § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy
“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

That means all the Democrats in Congress should be arrested for Sedition.

Wow, that only took a year. Great work, Dick Tracy.

What a joke. After a year of people asking, if you are putting people in solitary confinement for trespassing why haven’t they nabbed this guy? Now we’ll get to see how many FBI assets were involved, since the FBI refused to reveal their numbers.

Whether Rhodes deserves to be arrested or not, still a stark contrast to how the DOJ acts when LEFT WING TERRORISTS attacked the White House, Senate Chambers and halls and tried to burn down an historic church. Or, how they react to a siege upon a federal courthouse that actually caused severe damage and injuries.

BLM and ANTIFA actively work to overthrow the US government. The Democrats PROTECTS them. Obama began his campaign from the living room of a guy that was never imprisoned for sedition. (probably another FBI informant)

Where’s the connection to Trump? You think Trump’s gonna have Rhodes suicided like Hillary did Epstein?

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The democrat party is dying a slow death.

Quinnipiac Poll Shows Support for Joe Biden has Collapsed, Hispanics Now Consider Biden an Abject Failure January 12, 2022 | Sundance | 207 Comments
A Quinnipiac poll released today [DATA HERE] shows just how far Joe Biden has fallen in the eyes of most Americans. Of particular note inside the data is how Hispanics and Latinos view the Biden policies as complete failures.
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Consumer Inflation Reaches 7 Percent in December, Highest Rate in Forty Years and Still Climbing January 12, 2022 | Sundance | 253 Comments
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released the December inflation data today [DATA HERE] for December. Readers on these pages are not surprised to discover that inflation in the U.S. economy has now reached a forty year high at 7 percent. {Go Deep}
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It’s time to raise interest rates and stop robbing those who have worked for their money and saved it to pay for their own futures, instead of rewarding the big casino players by letting inflation erase their multi-million and multi-billion dollar debts. They’re not going to like it. They’ll try anything to stop it.

So the Dems wantng to tax unrealized gains, raising taxes on capitol gains run away inflation isnt enough. You want to hit young home buyers in a sellers market with higher house payments. Try reading a book on economics, or Carter era economic history. The Bill to tax SS insurance at the time taxed 10 % of recipients today because it was never ever indexed for inflation 25% of retirees are taxed.
I agree DC needs to stop robbing the elderly.

It’s time to sweep the government of all far left liberal Democrats who are destroying the economy, jobs and the livelihoods of millions of Americans.

A two-minute-and-thirty-two-second example of the last refuge of a lying scoundrel. He’s frantically jumping from lie to lie. The walls are closing in, and Jordan’s hysteria is mounting.

The walls are closing in

Again? Gosh… scary.

Yeah, if they held an election today on Fantasy Island. They should conduct a poll asking who would happily push Trump into an open manhole.

Seditious conspiracy… Those charged were probably exchanging encrypted messages speculating about the January 6 weather forecast, right up to the point when they suddenly “went off-mission”.

Yeah, if they held an election today on Fantasy Island. They should conduct a poll asking who would happily push Trump into an open manhole.
To find Hillary who we pushed in 2016?

If they held an election where Democrats were prevented using fraud to destroy the legal outcome.

Robert Malone’s doctor had her license to practice medicine suspendedDr. Meryl Nass, is no longer able to practice medicine. Her license was suspended for spreading COVID misinformation. This is ridiculous

Re: “SCOTUS Blocks Dear Leader Biden’s Medical Tyranny”

Yeah, let’s all celebrate! You’ll now be freer to infect and become infected–with supply chains stressed, small businesses sinking, inflation rising, hospitals struggling, and the US COVID body count currently 844 thousand and rising. But failure is what you pushing for, isn’t it? Because it’s all about breaking whatever needs to be broken, to bring back Donald Trump.

Uh huh. Did Dr. Meryl Nass undergo the neurocognitive assessment that the licensing authorities requested? Because having her license pulled might not all be about her politics.

Have you actually read the results of the Boulware trial that Dr. Nass says she funded, which “found that HCQ was effective”?

Here’s a link to it, and comment from the summary conclusion drawn from it:

After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure.

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Isn’t it time for the accusations that I’ve resurrected a old link and pulled the discussion off topic? Which I believe actually related to the January 6 investigation…

Greg Uh huh. Did Dr. Meryl Nass undergo the neurocognitive assessment that the licensing authorities requested?
What exactly was the reason for the test requested? Would they like to say she is as neurocognitive as the now leader of the free world therefore better in an assisted living home?
Faucis puppet pouring taxpayer dollars into jabs that no longer work and tests that wont arrive til after this wave will be long over? Tests dont cure anything they only serve to fuel the fear porn. Home tests with toxic chemicals that are not going to be done in a lab setting, what could possibly go wrong?

Can you list a few of the lies you accuse Jordon of?
And The undercover FBI agents and their cohorts like Epps caused a peaceful protest to turn into a partial riot if the entire crowd wanted to take apart the Capitol brick by brick nothing could have stopped them.They did not want to, and nothing the lying Pelosi committee says is going to convince anyone that the reject from the JG Wentworth bus was going to overthrow our government.
Look at the size of the crowd

“Can you list a few of the lies you accuse Jordon of?”

Refer to Jim Jordan’s endless promotions of Trump’s Big Lie. He’s an accomplice.

As is SOP, our resident Communist, Comrade Greggie, has no answer.

If Comrade Greggie is so freaking worried about liars, he can start a list of all the lies told by Joey Biden, Communist China’s best friend.

Greg if you cant name 1 single lie, then you are the liar. Like your sources if misinformation, you really have nothing you are just a sad sick little man

File under “Believe what I say I said, not what you think you heard me say.”

One year ago:

Washington (CNN)On Monday, Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, a staunch ally of President Donald Trump in his fight against the 2020 election results, received the Medal of Freedom from Trump. The next day, Jordan was back in Congress arguing that he never said the election was stolen.

During a congressional debate Tuesday, Jordan claimed he never said “this election was stolen” — seemingly distancing himself from the January 6 “Stop the Steal” rally that turned into a deadly attack on the US Capitol.

“I’ve never said that this election was stolen,” Jordan said during a debate in the House Rules Committee over a resolution calling for Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office.

Facts First: This is highly misleading. Jordan claimed in October that Democrats were working to steal the election and spoke at a “Stop the Steal” rally in Pennsylvania two days after the election. In December, he said he didn’t know how he could be convinced that “Trump didn’t actually win” the election. Jordan also objected to the electoral college results and called for an investigation into the election.

Criticizing a decision from the Supreme Court allowing mail-in ballots received up to three days after election day in Pennsylvania to be counted, Jordan tweeted on October 19 that “Democrats are trying to steal the election, after the election.”

On November 18, Jordan called for Congress to investigate the election “amid troubling reports of irregularities and improprieties” despite the fact that there is no evidence of mass voter fraud in the 2020 election.

During a Fox interview on December 9, Jordan said “I don’t know how you can ever convince me that President Trump didn’t actually win this thing based on all the things you see.” On the program, he also made the argument that because some Americans believe the election was rigged “we should do everything we can to get to the bottom of” their allegations.

During his speech on January 6 objecting to Arizona’s electoral results, — moments before rioters invaded the Capitol — Jordan implied that the results of the election were incorrect and that Trump should have won.

Trump, Jordan argued “got 11 million more votes than he did in 2016, and House Republicans won 27 of 27 toss-up races, but somehow the guy who never left his house wins the election?”

A spokesperson for Jordan told CNN the congressman “stands [by] his comments. He has never said that the election was stolen.”

In remarks Wednesday, as the House prepared to impeach Trump, Jordan objected to the impeachment resolution, defended his objections last week to the electoral college results and again criticized Pennsylvania election rules.

It isnt a Big lie. We have shown you many examples.
From Oct 11th
In the latest Rasmussen Reports survey, 56% of respondents said, “It’s likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 41% who say it’s ‘very likely.’”
The Children Noodling Network of CIA spooks talks not to Jordon but to a spokesman.
The Pennsylvania election rules in 2020 were against its own states constitution. That still has not been resolved and was ruled the investigation can go on.
Still a battle in Wisconsin GA and AZ. Trump did get more votes than 2016 in fact more than any sitting President. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-736-million-popular-votes-over-7-million-more-any-sitting-president-history-1548742
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/3-fishy-things-in-pennsylvania-voter-data-the-state-has-yet-to-explain/
Trump listened to the people.
The only one in the government now that listens to the people is the NSA.

The poll is a measure of the effectiveness of right-wing propaganda. It’s an imperfect reflection of how things were before the election, and before the events of January 6th.

I think most intelligent voters have figured out that there’s a reason why republican officials who saw it all from the inside are refusing to tell the American people what they know. Anyone who actually cares about the Constitution and the nation would readily come forward—unless they have reason to fear what will happen if what they know is revealed. There’s no other reasonable explanation.

“The party of law and order” pretends not to know that their former president and his highly-placed enablers were WAY outside constitutionally defined legal bounds. Hardly anyone in the GOP is willing to talk, even though duty and their oaths of office dictate that they should. The reason is because those who know the most the are complicit.

You should never trust such people with the sort of power they’ve been given. You should never trust the things they’re willing to say or do to keep it.

The poll is a measure of the effectiveness of right-wing propaganda. 

Or perhaps the failure of the left wing propaganda machine to cover up such questions as:

STATE FARM ARENA

Democrats overtly violated numerous state constitutions and rules of validating signatures on ballots, in addition to simply overcounting idiot Biden ballots and duplications by Dominion machines. The cowardly act of just closing your eyes and saying, “NUH-UH!” only emphasizes the guilt Democrats know they bear.

How does idiot Biden go from 81 million votes to 33% approval in a year, even with full left wing propaganda support? Well, because he never had those votes to begin with. Maybe 50 million legitimate votes.

Maybe you should talk more about your evidence proving the existence of big foot. Every bullshit point of the State Farm tale has been completely debunked by REPUBLICAN election officials–who for some odd reason feel more strongly about the the Constitution, their oaths of office, personal integrity, and the integrity of the voting processes than any loyalty to Donald effing Trump.

In the video below, an exasperated Gabriel Sterling—lifelong REPUBLICAN, Chief Operating Officer of Georgia’s REPUBLICAN Secretary of State, and the state’s expert Voting System Implementation Manager”—refutes each and every bullshit point one after the other, beginning with the crack-brained State Farm fantasy, which was appropriately concocted around the single fact of a leaking toilet.

The response from Trump’s true-believer Big Lie supporters? Sterling–like many other election officials in multiple disputed states–became the target of flurry of anonymous death threats.

This guy knows all of the details. He knows precisely why the bullshit is bullshit. The false claims he refutes come from pro-Trump disinformation sources–people who will tell any lie without blinking, and who would happily tear America’s constitutional voting process to pieces just to put a LYING MEGALOMANIAC who ought to be banned from holding public office for life back in the Oval Office.

“None of that is true”: Georgia election official debunks claims about voter fraud

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refutes each and every bullshit point one after the other, beginning with the crack-brained State Farm fantasy, which was appropriately concocted around the single fact of a leaking toilet.

Hey, genius… refuting the “water main break” is not the point; we KNOW that was a concocted lie. The problem is what followed, which was all the independent observers were sent home, told the counting was suspended until morning. Once they were gone, ballots were dragged from under tables and counting resumed, resulting in an inexplicable spike of votes for idiot Biden. This is irrefutable, supported by the video and sworn affidavits.

You should watch the video before down-voting the comment: “None of that is true”: Georgia election official debunks claims about voter fraud

Hint Greggie, He is an election official, why would he admit to lying about a water main break that actually was a leaky urinal repaired hours before the center was not quite evacuated. Shredding, sorry recycling election ballots. The machines accessible by wi-fi from a remote location.
Gee Greggie have 1 tiny itty bitty microscopic bit of self thought.

“Hint Greggie, He is an election official, why would he admit to lying…”

Many people have forgotten that there are public officials who actually have a high degree of personal integrity. Partisan loyalist often don’t seem to recognize either its presence or its absence.

Greg, Many people have forgotten that there are public officials who actually have a high degree of personal integrity.
No we have not, that assclown isnt one, chain of custody so many issues of either really shitty training at precinct levels proceedures for a modicum of election intergrity just not taken at all. The issue at the center was intentional, the shredding trucks for both ballots and electronics criminal.

When people believe that integrity can only belong to those who blindly support a political leader who shows none whatsoever, there’s definitely a problem.

Gabriel Sterling has clearly stated the facts, despite political pressure, personal attacks, and personal threats. That’s the sort of integrity and courage that define a real patriot.

A reminder of Republican electoral integrity: March 2, 2021 – American Oversight Obtains Seven Phony Certificates of Pro-Trump Electors

How odd. Trump operatives in seven different states, all doing the same thing, purely by coincidence . . .

American Oversight has obtained copies of phony electoral vote certificates from seven states that were submitted to Congress as part of the failed attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

The fake electoral certificates were assembled by groups of Trump supporters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin who sought to replace the valid presidential electors from their state — who had been chosen by voters in free and fair elections — with bogus slates of pro-Trump electors.

None of the certificates contains any indication that they list illegitimate slates of electors not chosen by those states’ voters.

STATE FARM ARENA

Ground zero for Democrat election fraud. You know it and accept it.

“Ground zero for Democrat election fraud. You know it and accept it.”

You forgot to dangle your pocket watch by its chain and tell me to relax.

You forgot (ran away from) to explain the fake water main break and ensuing fraud.

Every state has sets of electors for every party that makes it to the finale, are you dense do you know how elections are done at all? If you had 1 modicum of brain you would’nt post ignorant articles strictly meant to feed ignoramuses with what they assume are bombshells. Yes 7 States were going to have the electors challenged, so if the electors sent are rejected another set exists. What do you think a complete do over? I alrady posted an article to you about the alternates I guess American Oversight missed what was big ass National news over a year after it happened….such an example of leading edge investigative journalism. What next will they come up with? Hillary lost in 2016 OMG Nooooooooooooooo!

Comrade Greggie quotes his radical left wing site:
The fake electoral certificates were assembled by groups of Trump supporters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin who sought to replace the valid presidential electors from their state — who had been chosen by voters in free and fair elections “

Maybe Comrade Greggie would like to tell us what state allow the “voters” to choose their presidential electors? Nah, because, as Kitt asks: “are you dense do you know how elections are done at all?” the answer is YES.

Yes, Kitt, Comrade Greggie is dense. He only blathers what his handlers tell him to blather and obviously he/she/it doesn’t bother to fact check what he/she/it is told. Just take a look at the radical left wingers who are putting out that manure at American Oversight: Our Team – American Oversight

For four years all Comrade Greggie could write is “Obama is no longer President.” Yet, here we are, almost a year into the Presidency held by the dumbest man to ever be elected to office (well, except maybe for Hank Johnson who thought Guam would tip over) and all Comrade Greggie can do is fixate on Trump because there is not one damn thing good about Joey Soft Serve.

It’s not how individual electors are chosen. It’s that the electors who are chosen were intended to reflect the results of the popular election. Were that not so, our every-four-year popular presidential elections would be rendered utterly meaningless. Surely you can figure that out.

State level republican legislative majorities understand that, but the don’t give a good doodly damn. They’re trying to rig the system at the state level to put control of election outcome directly into their own hands. They would have their own be President, even if a majority of voters reject that person. They justify this by yammering about republics, disparaging democracy as a principle when it was intended as an integral part of the process, and pitching lie after lie after lie.

If you continue in your ignorance of the procedures you make nonsensical statements that we laugh at. You think sending two sets of electors is normal, it isnt. There were court cases that should have been addressed fully heard. There was also deadline when the electors had to be submitted. The rag you to linked to is just feeding your ignorance to the facts.
Every elector sent in all 7 states was chosen prior to the vote, calling them Trump operatives or phony is stoopid. Were the Democrat electors sent for Biden operatives?

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The groups in seven states that forged and SUBMITTED phony electoral college reports ARE Trump operatives. That is abundantly clear from the documents themselves, and from the nature of the operation. They’re ALL signed by electors who falsely claim to be those officially designated to cast their state’s electoral votes, and ALL of their phony votes were allocated to Trump/Pence.

The same identical ploy, simultaneously undertaken in seven different states, is no coincidental happening. Nor was this a minor incident, not to be taken seriously. Had the official count of votes been in the Capitol been stopped—and a coordinated effort was made on January 6 at the behest of Donald Trump to do precisely that—these documents would have been presented as alternatives to the genuine articles.

This is all exactly what it looks like. None of these events were random, occurring in isolation from the others. What we saw from the outside was a failed insurrection, plain and simple. What we’re seeing now is an effort to bury all evidence that would publicly reveal the full extent of it, and the parts played by all of those who were complicit. They’re all highly placed people, utterly desperate to prevent this. Full public disclosure would sink Trump deeper than Davy Jones’s Locker—which isn’t quite deep enough for me—and blow a hole in the Republican Party that might send that ship to the bottom as well. But hey, this is a serious cancer. If the patient is to live, serious surgery is essential.

The forged documents are available for public inspection as the result of a FOIA request:

American Oversight Obtains Seven Phony Certificates of Pro-Trump Electors.

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Should votes cast illegally be counted?

Illegal votes should not be counted. But it must first be demonstrated that votes WERE illegal, and that has been demonstrated NOWHERE—unless you want to count the phony electoral certificates submitted in seven states by Trump operatives, which could have been as consequential as hell.

So none if the votes cast where the voting rules were illegally and unconstitutionally changed to enable the fraud Democrats carried out are illegal and void. We are in agreement.

Although the village idiot can never under the significance of recent court cases and new election procedures implemented by the swing states, the fraudulent procedures perpetrated by the democrats in the 2020 election are being slowly closed. Voter rolls are being scrubbed. There will be so many volunteers at polling places and observers watching and recording vote counting procedures. These changes are what is causing Biden to get on his knees to put the feds in carge of the state voting procedures.

Integrity CANNOT belong to those who lie constantly and about everything. People who invent “Russian collusion” or quid pro quo lies have no integrity. People that use racism as a political weapon, pretending positive photo ID is racist have no integrity. People that support voting without even the slightest attention to verifying who is voting and if they are eligible have not integrity. People who commit massive election fraud have no integrity. People who support political terrorism and violence have no integrity.

Democrats have no integrity.

President Trump won in 2020 biden is illegitimate

I’ll see your comment, and raise you one “Donald Trump is a liar and a criminal.”

I’ll see your worn out and disproved false accusation and raise you a “idiot Biden is a liar, criminal, rapist, pedophile and traitor. “

You can pretend a skunk is a cat, but that won’t get rid of the smell.

You can pretend idiot Biden is president but it won’t get rid of the stench of disastrous failure.

biden is a failure, has been his entire miserable life

Biden is the President of the United States, by a decisive electoral margin, and a seven-million popular vote margin.

Trump is scamming money from millions, and paying an army of lawyers in an effort to avoid prison.

Nope, barely got 50 million votes, if that. He’s a pretender and, worse, incompetent, failed, a criminal and a traitor.

Yeah, and the Moon is made of cheese. Saying something doesn’t make it so. Saying something that isn’t so again and again only puts you out of touch with reality.

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That’s right. Just saying that illegitimate idiot is president doesn’t make it so. He’s a fraud and a plague on the nation.

You’ll never make it as a comedian with your current material. Pathos just isn’t funny.

Neither is idiot Biden’s disastrous failures, lies, corruption and stupidity.

It was not Trump who hired 600 lawyers to mess with the 2020 election laws what low life grifters these Bidens and Pelosis are. Gee I hope they do the Kasup kid next
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9827893/Nancy-Pelosis-son-Paul-involved-FIVE-companies-probed-feds.html
He has done so great so far with everything he has touched, we should allow him to run elections? What could possibly go wrong?

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biden is the worst Wh occupant in US history.

FJB

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No one gets 81 million votes and within 11 months has the worst job approval in presidential history. James Buchanan is thankful for biden.

FJB

biden is an enemy of America and Americans. biden is wrong for America biden is destroying America

The village idiot only believes what those little voices in his head tell him. greggie has not expressed a single thought derived from critical thinking. Everything he writes is talking points from the left. If he could ever think, the results would destroy his little constructed world!

In the 2.5 minutes of the you tube Jordon never mentioned the 2020 steal, so can you name 1 lie of Rep. Jordon said because to said lie after lie so there must be at least 2.

greg can not list any one of the points made by Representative Jordan as untrue because everything he said was and is true, period.

State Farm Arena.

“Can you list a few of the lies you accuse Jordon of?”

Refer to Jim Jordan’s endless promotions of Trump’s Big Lie. He’s an accomplice.

So… no. You can’t. Just say so.

We are all accomplices Fam, cause we all want to see what these election officials are hiding. Ignoring subpoenas, destruction of election materials. Hundreds of Millions of Zuckerbucks how exactly were these funds spent, to the penny. Why were mail in voters names added after the election to the rolls and who added them.
Our troll does not have the mental capacity to question or even imagine something just isnt quite right if the media that lied for 5 years tells him it was the safest most secure election ever.

BREAKING: Waukesha County Judge Deals HUGE BLOW to Democrats — Bans Use of Absentee Ballot Drop Boxes in Wisconsin

that put Wisconsin in President Trump’s electoral count. Any drop box ballots from 2020 are illegal and can not be part of the count.

Wisconsin was always the state with the lowest hanging fruit when it came to election fraud.

Biden Forgets Name of His Infrastructure Czar, Almost Calls Him Mitch McConnell (VIDEO)

he is on the fake set again. Whiskey tango foxtrot.

FJB

Well, they are constructing a concrete wall around the White House inside the fence, so he can’t be there. W T F is up with THAT? Why does the most popular president* in history need with a double wall around the White House?

*not, never has been, never was and never will be

Actually the WEC are the fruits.
10 year battle for ID so all those “false ” rumors of FIBs coming in busses to vote in southern Wisconsin would go away. Funny how Kenosha went red
Nov 4, 2020 — In 2016, Donald Trump became the first Republican presidential candidate to win Kenosha County in 44 years, a repeat for 2020.
Wisconsin is a mixed bag, both the birthplace of the progressive movement (Milwaukee) and of the Republican Party (Ripon)

No, he thinks identifying yourself at the polls is “voter suppression”. He has no compass.

Biden Wants to Count the Votes

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1481740974032306187?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1481740974032306187%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoonbattery.com%2F

At the 30 second mark, Sinema is walking out of the chamber, spots the old man yelling, “Get off my lawn”, abruptly turns araound and presumably exits somewhere else.

The old man is not done yelling; the old man continues to yell “who counts the vote”. Then, comes money at the one minute mark, as long as he has a breath in him. Well, all of America could hope for there to no longer be a breath.

Then he throws down and says he is goning to fight the way these legislatures are moving. FJB

State Legislatures are seperate of the Federal Government. State Legislatures created the Federal Government. There is nothing the Federal government can do with respect to the States and their plenary power over elections in their respective states.

FJB

Then he throws down and says he is goning to fight the way these legislatures are moving. FJB

Uh oh. Idiot Biden used “fight” in a sentence. Now, any violence that ensues anywhere at any time was incited by him. Oh, wait… he’s a Democrat. It’s OK for them to promote violence. It’s their nature.

Did you guys see the Daily Mail take Pelosis spawn apart?