Addressing thousands at his much heralded “Restoring Courage” rally in Jerusalem on Wednesday evening August 24th, FOX News talk show host Glenn Beck exhorted his audience to immerse themselves in doughtiness and “to stand up for Israel” in the face of the existential siege that the Jewish state finds herself under by the international community.
Speaking from the Southern Wall excavation site in Jerusalem’s old city, Beck, an intrepid supporter of Israel and the Jewish people delivered an ominous portent of geo-political realities. “Today, the world needs courage more than ever. You don’t have to be a prophet to know that things are not going well in the world. The threats are mounting. Darkness is falling”, he intoned.
Speaking of the potentially lethal ramifications of the Arab Spring, he added, “When I saw Tunisia’s and Egypt’s rulers crack and fall and the world called it the Arab Spring, I said: Where could this be going? And behind these revolutions was a familiar force, a force that will place those nations under a new pharaoh. And that force, I said, would come up to the borders of Israel. And so it has. You see evil rear its head in our time. You see the signs again. The swastikas are on display in the street marches. This week they’re holding up signs in Cairo that say: We’re building the gas chambers. They dress their children in suicide belts. They are given the choice, and they choose death.”
Making an oblique reference to the upcoming United Nations General Assembly meeting in September in which a vote will be taken on the creation of an independent Palestinian state, Beck lambasted the world body by saying, “In New York, the so-called leaders of the world talk about abuses of human rights. But what they will do is abuse the very meaning of the phrase ‘human rights.’ Human rights they say. But who will they focus on? Libya? Syria? North Korea? No. They will condemn Israel. Tiny Israel. Democratic Israel. Free Israel. Israel, which values life above all other things.”
Her furthered chided the world body by saying, “When the Fogel family was killed in their sleep the world barely took note. The grand councils of earth condemn Israel. Across the border, Syria slaughters its own citizens. The grand councils are silent.”
Focusing on the vehement acrimony that engulfs Israel by the international community, Beck declared to thunderous applause, “When the world turns its back on Israel and the Jewish people, the world turns its back on the source of all human rights.” Beck, a Mormon, peppered his address with religious references when illustrating Israel’s role in respecting the sanctity of human life since the dawn of time. “Without the Jewish people, humanity would not know that every individual life has dignity, that every life is sacred, that God names every star and knows every soul. That was God’s message to Abraham and Moses. It is the message of the Jewish people to the world, and by their very existence they teach it to us.”
@MataHarley:
Mata, you may want to diminish Bachmann and Paul’s participation in our federal process. Fine. But the fact of the matter is that none of the rest, not Santorum, not Romney, not Gingrich, not Palin have had any say, or any impact on our federal system or our economy since the economy tanked. At least by casting a vote, we can hope that they are representing their constituents and carrying out their will.
Now, believe me when I say I am not a Paul fan. He was my respresentative years ago and I worked to help him get elected. That was back when he still was reasonably sane, and before he dove off into isolationist waters. Many of us worked to get him elected because he said he would only serve two terms. And because he said that he would NEVER request pork for his district. Both of those promises went by the wayside when it was time for him to run for a third term. I lost him as a representative, and so I lucked out not having to campaign for him to keep a Democrat out of office. His base is generally comprised of college students, truthers and conspiracy theorists now. Not a group I want to associate with.
As to Bachmann, she leaves me pretty cold. Just can’t muster much excitement over her.
As to Beck, I think what he is doing is admirable. He is bringing attention to the current administration’s attitude toward Israel, the only really true democracy in the region. That is a good thing. Israel is our ally and should be backed. Anyone who wants to look at the threat they are under only has to look at a map of the region. David facing Goliath.
Now, to Alaska; perhaps forestry is not the answer, but that doesn’t mean that other industries could not have been promoted in Alaska. It is not all frozen tundra. Fairbanks is a modern city. A governor, like Walker, like Kasich, like Jindal, have to promote their state and convince companies to move there. Did Palin ever fight the Congressional rules on forestry? Did she take on the EPA, or the other agencies that prevented her state from becoming a major competitor in global markets? Did she encourage new and different industries to move to Alaska and provide jobs? But the biggest question is; what has she done in the last three years that provides her with a record to run on since the economy collapsed?
Palin is a fine woman who epitomized the real feminist movement. She has it all, just as Gloria Steinham told women they could have, marriage, family, career. She has been treated horribly by the press and that was wrong. But she also quit her job (I understand her reasons due to Alaskan law) and that was not a good thing. If she runs, she will only serve as the Ross Perot of 2012.
As to Mr. Swenchonis, I had no way of knowing his history. But you seem to not understand that you can defend someone (the Guard) without attacking someone else. But this is not our first go-round, is it?
@retire05: Ahhhh! Sir are deliberately looking for a fight? If so please look elsewhere. I will say this real slow and loud, you did not call me any names. I did not call you any names. Are we still on the same page? Lets continue then. You implies I dissed the NG or the Af or the military in general if I read that right. No thise next part is extremely important so listen very well, I was talking about the Vietnam Era and how our military services were viewed by society as a whole. I did not put that qualifier on there because i thought that anyone who had lived through that time, and or read history, and or watched and read political shows, books, movies, listened to music, etc…. would have know that. Our whole culture was affected by the Vietnam war Sir. Period. It was one of the first major victories of the liberals when they all banded together back in the sixties for love, sex, drugs, and rock and roll. I could provide you with names of politicians, movies stars. rockstars, etccc that spoke out against the military but will not. You look it up if you feel so inclined. Our Tea Party is similar in one way only, its a grass roots movement, but with traditional American values. In closing I said you could call me names, imply what you will or whatever, but don’t imply that I disrespected the military for telling it like it was back then. If you believe I was wrong then you must believe that Ronnie was wrong to.He saved our military and our country at that time by recognizing that the military needed to be rebuilt, and refitted after years of abuse. And he also told Americans that it was time to be proud of American again, over and over. He moved us and the country out of they mess that the liberals had created. You don’t beat the messenger over the head because he spoke about something that riles you Thats it! I have explained enough. If you find a hidden meaning in these words directed at hurting your self esteem, I can’t help it. I was frustrated by your refusal to accept the FACT that i was talking about the prevalent attitudes in the 60’s and 70’s. I can be no clearer than that..
And you want to elevate “their participation”… i.e. showing up, voting, debating, whatever… far above what it’s worth. Crowley interviewed Bachmann, and asked her to name what legislation she has sponsored and passed. Bachmann hemmed, hawed… finally had to go back to her State representative days to come up with something. Point is, she’s got nothing since her arrival on the scene in 2007.
Of course, with the Congressional make up since that time, getting anything thru as a minority party is difficult. But that also means your statement that she has had “an impact” on the federal system is rendered null and void. She’s had less impact on the system than the grassroots movement , TP, has had, and they aren’t even members of Congress.
Personally, I’m not fond of members of Congress as POTUS. I prefer governors… administration experience to the top dog administrator. I find Giliani more qualified, with his mayoral experience, than Bachmann. But, according to you, his experience is out of date… just as you said Romney’s was. huh?
Bachmann’s okay. I also don’t think she’s ready, and think she’s like most politicians… a bit of an opportunist. Nor am I bowled over with her leadership record in the House, or her handling of herself so far on the campaign trail (based mostly on interviews she’s given). However I would vote for her over Obama.
But I sure can’t agree with your repeated statements that she’s hands/fist over Palin for qualifications. I believe it to be completely opposite.
That’s what they are paid to do. So it seems you are suggesting that just because their are paid elected officials, doing their jobs, they have it all over private citizens, also vying for the POTUS nominee. I disagree. That’s what makes the free world go around.
We have no disagreement over Beck or Paul. And I’ve already qualified myself several times that right now I have no horse in this race, but that anyone but Romney/Huntsman/Paul would get my vote over Obama. I’m just not excited about anyone at this moment. But you still want to go after Palin at every avenue, all the while trying to insist you like her. Frankly, I’m not convinced with the doublespeak.
So again, you return to the Alaskan export business… of which I don’t know how many times I can tell you that seafood is the dominant product. So now it’s the sweeping sputter, paraphrased… “but but, there musta been something she could do” charge…
My first question is what makes you think that Alaska wasn’t adding jobs and growing during the Palin years? As a matter of fact, they didn’t break their 21 year streak for increased jobs annually until 2009.. of course due to the economy, like every other states. However they started recovering, have been again adding jobs, and their unemployment is under the national average…. at 7.7%, seasonally adjusted, as of July this year. Jindal’s LA is at 7.6%… just a tad better. (I’ve always wanted Jindal to get in the race.. maybe in the future).
Oddly enough, tho you praise Kasich, Ohio’s is at 9%.
So even tho you have portrayed Alaska as in some desperate fiscal status that Palin did nothing to help, why don’t you tell us what industries may benefit from moving their headquarters to Alaska, retire05? A place where transportation by road and ocean cargo are difficult, inhibited by weather much of the year, and downright expensive. Even getting product around within the state is generally done by small plane because of the expanse. If the exported product is small enough, it can go via air shipment. But that’s not exactly the most inexpensive transport.
All that stuff adds up to increased overhead, and makes it harder to be competitive in price.
Alaska does not enjoy the proximity benefits to large consumer areas that LA, OH or any of the lower 48 have. Nope… there’s still that mileage to get to it a larges port of call (Anchorage), and the expense of shipping. It can be done from other places, cheaper. But it is well placed for shipping to Asia from the NA continent…. providing it’s a product that can be brought to market/port without great expense… like seafood and canneries perhaps?
Alaska’s most prolific resources, seafood, oil and mining, are their mainstay, and there are reasons for that. I seriously doubt they could entice a Mattel to move up there and manufacture Barbie dolls. It’s a no brainer as to why.
@Gary G. Swenchonis:
“its a grass roots movement,” Ennnt! Wrong! There was nothing “grass roots” about the anti-war movement in the 60’s and 70’s, it was all run by the communist governments at the time and the assault on American values was a by product of that.
The current anti-war movement is much the same. You’ll notice there are no anti-war rally’s or demonstrations being held with BHO in office. Why exactly do you think that’s the case? Although look for the demonstrations to begin anew if a Republican is elected in 2012.
@PurpleDragon, #56:
Possibly during the run-up to the attempted invasion of Iran.
BTW, I’m not in the Tea Party although I support most of their economic policies, I’m unsure if they have any social ones.
I will say that I’m an ardent S. Palin supporter. Although I doubt I agree with most of her social agenda, however I don’t think she’s going to push legislation to ram that down American’s throats unlike the left.
@Greg:
Quite frankly I don’t think an invasion of Iran is in the cards however a bombing them into submission campaign might be.
BTW if we do invade Iran it wont be an attempt but quite successful. It’s afterward when the troops get stupid rules of engagement where we make the real mistakes and get a lot of our guys killed.
@Gary G. Swenchonis:
Let’s me tell you a story: my brother joined the U.S. Navy right out of high school. Since he was still 17 that June, my parents had to sign permission for him to enter service. He went in as a normal swabbie, but he is a brilliant kinda guy and his C.O. saw his potential. He put in for OCS, and ranked 1st, FIRST, out of all those who tested. When he got his 2nd Lt. bars, my parents did not have the money to travel from Texas to watch him graduate.
The first ship he was assigned to was the U.S.S. Dennis Buckley, now retired and replaced. But as the Vietnam war raged on, he was on board another ship, actually the sister ship to the one John Kerry was on, that was off the coast of South Vietnam. When he came home, Daddy had saved enough money to go to California and be there when he got off ship. We were excited to see him in his officer’s uniform, he had worked so hard for it. But when he disembarked, he was in civies. You see, my brother was so proud of his uniform, he didn’t want the kooks and anti-war radicals spitting on him or throwing tomatos at him, dishonoring the uniform he worked so hard to gain. Even though the Navy tried to keep the protesters under control, sailors had to walk through them anyway, one place or another. Even cars with sailors in them were pummelled with tomatos and other things. Their cars were spit on, “baby killer” was a common perjorative shouted by these people who were mostly stoned slackers with their tie-died peace t-shirts and their long hair.
My brother stay in 21 years. His last sea duty was on the U.S.S. Enterprise, my dad taking the last vacation of his life to visit. I didn’t get to go. My brother retired a Lt. Commander, and he is my hero.
You like, Mata, don’t seem to grasp that I am not bashing you, I am defending ALL who wore the uniform of our nation, no matter the branch.
@retire05:
I get it. I got it then. The 60’s and 70’s were a time of declared war on the US by foreign forces. We just are not bright enough, some of us, to see and understand that. (I was enlisted right out of high school to in ’56, but in spite of my plan to make a career of it, I had the misfortune to encounter anti-intellectuals that convinced me that I had made an error. I lived and worked the the SF Bay Area for a long time — ask me about Sproul Hall, Lytton Plaza (lived down the street a few blocks), Oakland Army Base, the Sheraton Palace (worked a block down) and about people like H. Bruce Franklin and a host of others.)
That war continues today, only some of the tactics have changed.
You weren’t bashing Gary? uh…
You sure did a good bashing impression, retire05.
I read Gary’s comment about the competitiveness in the branches in those days…. and still exists to this day to a certain extent. USCG and Navy still go at it. I did not walk away thinking he was bashing the Guard.
@MataHarley:
Mata, the least you could do is be honest in your debate. I NEVER said that Bachmann was hands/fists over Palin. I said she has been active participant during the economic turndown. What is it about that you have trouble grasping? Bachmann is currently in office, Palin quit.
According the BLS, in January, 2007 Alaska had a work force of 350,738 with an unemployment rate of 6.1%. That was before the market crash of Sep/Oct., 2008. By July, 2009, when Palin quit, Alaska had a workforce of 358,827, for an increase of 2.3% with an unemployment rate of 8.%
In January, 2007 (same time frame) Texas had a work force of 11,409,933 with an unemployment rate of 4.5%. By July, 2009, when Palin quit, Texas had a workforce of 11,931,072, for an increase of 4.6% with an unemployment rate of 7.8%.
Palin’s workforce numbers increased by 1,100. Texas workforce increased by over 500,000.
Now, perhaps you can tell me why a company like Mattel cannot build a plant in a city like Fairbanks? Do they not have availability of space, access to utilities, a near-by airport where the product can be flown to the mainland? You act like all the roads in Alaska are snow covered tundra. They are not.
Or are you just being your usual contrary self?
Mata, your opinion of bashing is anything if not jaded. You and I don’t gel. So you are not exactly a non-biased voice.
To be real honest with you, frankly, I couldn’t care less what you think when you stick your nose into a conversation I am having with someone else. And I don’t think Mr. Swenchonis needs you to defend him. He seems quite capable of expressing himself without your help.
@retire05:
I think (have been to both places) that trying to make Alaska economics the same as Texas economics or Minnesota economics is grossly unfair.
They are very different places with very different resources, populations, transportation, everything.
Where would Mattel get the raw materials? How? Where would it get the workforce?
@Larry Sheldon:
Resources? The same way that other companies in Alaska get resources. Most are flown in. Fairbanks is not outer Mongolia.
Workforce? If you build it, they will come.
@retire05:
Arguing with you is not a good use of my time.
If is is such a good idea, go do it. I am sure venture capital is available for such a good idea.
Go on up to Fairbanks, then go a bit farther (like Denton is from Fort Worth) and lease some property and get down to it. (There might be a few difficulties, a lot of the land up there is not actually available because of environmental protection laws, settlements with the Tlingit and other groups, and such, but I’m sure you will find something.)
@PurpleDragon: Sir I have as of todate not seen the types of anti-war protests that I watched in the late 60’s and early 70’s. Extremely violent. Nor have I seen where American soldiers surrounded on the streets, and pelted with all kinds of food or what comes to hand. And where a company of soldiers marching down main street are jeer at, and have beer cans and bottles throw at them.Or where a soldier sitting in a well know theater with his wife and friend is asked to leave to aviod a riot. Yes there have been instances, but today more Americans are willing to stand up and stop such horrible actions. As for the hippie movement I think it was spoiled children who kicked their parents traditional values out the window, students who listened to their professors teach marxists BS, and communism/socialist ideas and then spread the word at mass concerts, and partys. So I think it was a combination of things. But the smart liberals recognized a great opportunity to take control of the movement. And they did. Many hippies at the time were angry that people had brought politics into the movement, but a couple more hits of Purple haze, and a few tokes off some chokin red hash and they did not care anymore. Either way they are here, and well organized.
@retire05: I am only going to say this and leave it at that Retire. Please leave this be now. I can see no way to convey to you what I and others have been talking about. I could give you more examples but i fear that you would only misconstrue the example. So if you want to believe that i disrespected the uniform that I worn , the uniforms my son worn, the uniforms my mothers brothers wore, my grandfather, and his fathers uniforms they wore. Then please feel free to do so. But I am going to refuse to put qualifiers after everything I write just for you. Example “Bill Clinton was in college at the time of the war. He didn’t even have the guts to join his local guard.” Qualifier/Clarifier: Do you hear the disdain for College and the guard in that statement retire? Thats what I am talking about. Now can we move on please.
@Gary G.Swenchonis:
No, we can’t move on. I don’t give a damn what uniform you wore. It was the same uniform worm by those who joined the National Guard. They were there if they were needed and the whole “week-end warrior” thing burns my hide. It’s an insult, an insult to those troops who served honorably. I gave you the story of my own brother so that you would understand that I remember those dark days when anyone in a uniform was mocked and abused. Obviously, it did not sink in.
Now, maybe some did join for nefarious reasons. That’s not for me to say, and frankly, I don’t think it is for you to say. You cannot know what is in the heart of every man who joined the NG. Perhaps old attitudes are just too hard for you to let go of.
I am not in a position to assume what was in any man’s heart at the time, unless your name is John Kerry.
@Larry Sheldon:
Sorry, I won’t be going to Fairbanks. I don’t like cold weather. And I don’t eat fish.
But I am sure someone could create jobs in Alaska if they had a desire to do so. Perhaps Parnell should be suing the green-peaceniks if they are preventing growth in his state.
I’m impress with BECK’s speech and also the PART that LARRY SHELDON gave us,
YES wilson, he has the courage to say the right thins because they are true and disturbing for a guy like you WILSON you cannot believe that , because you have submit to the PROPAGANDA of the OBAMA election
and you don’t see the disastrous events since .
I like PERRY’s gutts and PASSION to do the repairs in this AMERICA NOT ELSEWHERE. IT WILL TAKE WHAT HE HAS,
I TRUST PERRY TO BE FIGHTING FOR AMERICA’S INTEREST NOT THE MIDDLE EAST ‘S INTERESTS,
I TRUST PERRY TO TALK FRANKLY TO THE UN AND SHOW THEM WHO’S BOSS IN AMERICA,
RIGHT IN THEIR FACE, TELL THEM HEY BUDDY BACK UP, OR YOU’LL FIND SOME CHICKENS IN YOUR BED, AND EGGS IN YOUR FACE; PERRY will need the WARRIORS TO CHECK HIS BACK, AND THE PALIN, THE HERMAN CAIN, THE ALLEN WEST,
AND THE CANDIDATS WHO NOW ARE SEEKING THE POSITION,
TO BECOME ONE WITH HIM FOR THE GOAL THAT THE DEMOCRATS MADE DIFFICULT FOR THEM AS NOW, TO FIX ALL THE BROKEN PIECES
I TRUST PERRY TO FIX THE ILLEGALS NEW OBAMA DECISION,
FOR THE BENEFITS OF AMERICA,AND CLOSE THOSE BORDERS.
I Itrust PERRY to send the DEMOCRATS FLYING IF THEY DON’T LIKE HIS DECISION WHEN HE WILL BE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
I’ve dropped the “subscription” to comments here (and I won’t be renewing it unless I forget to click the tick in a minute) because of the rants of people who are not bright enough to change their minds, nor civil enough to change the subject and went on to read other stuff.
And found this: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/governors-dispatch-additional-national-guard-troops-for-hurricane/
And there were people joined the military for the wrong reasons–judges sentenced (in effect) people to enlistment as an alternative to prison, and there were draft dodgers who were afraid to move to Canada so they joined the Guard (neighbor kid when I was little joined the 40th Division a week before it was mobilized and sent to Korea).
And I tear up still when I see troops in an airport getting standing applause–when I was in they threw shit at us. (I quit following organized religion in part because a church in Milwaukee said I was unwelcome because I was in uniform and one in La Cresenta that led me to believe I was to attend a bit of honor, when in fact I was supposed to tell the preacher how his son could avoid the draft.
The world needs to listen to people like Beck, and hear what they say.
@retire05: You really know how to try a mans patience sir. Go back and read your own words sir on post 60. Read it twice if you have too. Good! Now I presume that you read your own words so i do not have to repeat them all. You described very well with some excellent detail as to what thousands of militray men and women went through during that time in nations history. Not once but for repeatedly, and everywhere all over this nation at anytime. That sir was the prevailing attitude of people when it came to the military, and anyone else who worn our uniform. Are you still following me sir? Good. Thats excatly what i said but yet you are blaming me for their attitude and actions of that time. Only because I said what was common at that time. I was the brunt of the kind of behaviors, as some in my own family were too. Yet here you are beating me over the head for saying what you just said. The military and the guard were looked down on. period. I don’t know any other way to convince you. I really think its past that point now for you though. And something deeper. But thats between you, and yourself. There was also the comeptetion between the forces as well. By your reckoning any marine who makes jokes about the army is insulting the uniform, or an army ranger who mocks regular grunts grunts is doing the same. So stop and think about it sir. And as always you can have it your way! This is American and you can still believe to chose how you believe. Live Long and Prosper.
@retire05: Sir, Mata was only trying to get you to see reason. And yes she has every right to be here. She like us lived through those times. Why don’t you reserve your left over anger from those days at the liberals who deserve it. And yes i know i still have some anger at the way all of us was treated. It was wrong. But I am not going to misdirect it on you. Frustration, and exasperation maybe but not anger.
Larry Sheldon, I hope you have click that button,
YOU are always very interesting to read, and here is the proof again,
don’t worry about the kitchen noises,
they are part of the excitement, here,
we each have our way of expressing our thoughts, and some of us a loud enough to be heard,
THAT is making our BLOG so diverse and interesting,
bye and get that button now.
@Gary g. Swenchonis:
I never said that Mata didn’t have a right to be here. I said she sticks her nose into other people’s conversations. It’s a nasty habit she has. And she was not trying to explain anything to me; she was trying to poke me with a stick. This was not my first go-round with her. Knowing her, she will do it again (although, if memory serves me correctly, she once said she was not going to respond to me any more, but you can ask her, she looooooves to go back and shove people’s comments in their faces). Seems to be part of her DNA.
Now what does it take for you to end the “week-end warrior” mindset? Does that TxNG 26 year old who comes home from Iraq/Afghanistan minus his legs warrant a little more respect that to be labeled a “week-end warrior?” Did those men of the 1st Batallion, 151st Infantry of the Indiana National Guard not earn a little more respect that to be called “week-end warriors?” Do you not see my point or are you so fixated on what once was that you cannot admit that what once was WAS wrong?
I have no objection, or disageement with anything you have said except the “week-end warrior” which is considered a dismissal of a branch of our military that’s older than the Marines. They were our first “military”, citizen soldiers.
@Gary g. Swenchonis: I am going to try one more time Retire only because I don’t want you to think that i discounted anones service, but was only attempting to explain how the general, and political attitude was. Please plug in “champagne unit”. But be prepared. There are also numerous books written about how both democrats and republicans used the Guard as a safe haven for their sons, as well as the rich, and famous. The total Force Policy implemented after the war by Gen. Crieighton Abrahams stopped the Guard’s and the Reserve from sheltering the rich, famous, and politicians sons from combat. You and other readers may be surprised as to how many well know names are on that list. I was. Maybe after reading some papers and researching them for accuracy on that topic you will see that I was not out to disrespect the Guard/Reserve at that time in our nations history. Thanks
@Gary G. Swenchonis:
You are sounding like the guy who goes to a high school reunion and starts talking to his friends about one of women there:
Hey, there’s Susan.
Yeah, I see her.
Yeah, she’s really made her mark on the world. Did you know she is a world famous neurosurgeon? Shame she was such a slut in high school.
Compliment or insult?
@retire05:
Yeah, I forgot to clear the tick so here I am again to see what “the kitchen noises” refers-to.
And ro see this one that I am not strong enough to walk by:
I don’t think this has the strength retire thinks it does for the following reasons: The people at war with us at Sproul Hall, Lytton Plaza, and fragging our officers in ‘nam were enemies and are enemies now–the definitions have not drifted among sober people very much.
People in uniform were treated badly then, much better now. But the enemies have changed their tactics, not their strategy.
The definition of “slut” drifts so far so fast that it it has no more strength than fuck, shit, and a host of similar words that I hear elementary kids using now.
I don’t remember using the term “slut” when I was in school, but if I did, it probably applied to a girl that wore patent-leather shoes, or let her bra straps be seen. (We didn’t have cars but we did have curfews, so other possibilities did not, so far as I knew, happen very often.)
So using it in this kind of context reflects badly on the speaker, but not at all on the woman.
retire05, hi,
when you’re good you are very good,
but when you’re bad you are very bad.
and those are on our side too,
bye
Respect. When nobody is watching. When nobody would be surprised it you stayed in.
@Larry Sheldon:
Do you still not understand what I am arguing? I have NO dispute with the way our military was badly treated in the ’60’s and ’70’s. I am arguing for the end of the term “week-end” warrior, often used as a perjorative against those who were/are not full time military. Jeeze.
As to the term “slut”, it has been used since the 15th century, starting in Great Britian and moving to the New World. And in the 20th and 21st century has been generally used to describe a woman of loose moral values.
@retire05:
To be brutally frank, I could not get a passing grade if most of the questions were about what I think and what I have said.
I sense that there is violent agreement all around but some are polarized to the point that they are immobilized.
I suggest a cease fire (or “time out”–get one of your kids to explain the concept to you if need-be) and a review by all in the morning.
After everybody that is going to church (or equivalent) has been, everybody that feels harmed or wronged (or pick a word you–the global “you” like better) in some way publish a list here of the unanswered wrongs and then in a single pass, each can comment on each with short phrases like “I’m sorry”, “I was misunderstood”, or “stands as stated”. Or something.
And I submit that most people are woefully unschooled on etymology and find my description more complex than they can handle.
So I say the answer to “Compliment or insult? ” is the same as the answer to “21 / 0 = ?” Undefined.
Larry Sheldon, hi,
we have to admit that retire05 is a fearless defender of his convictions on military subject,
and from what was said of the group which had insulted the militarys at their arrival from the WAR.
we need people like retire05 to stand up and provide the tilting of the balance on the side
of the MILITARY
BYE
The following is not to meant to be “in your face”–I in my inimitable way got curious and binged around a bit and found what I expected to fine (hoped I would find (^_^) — things like:
From Wikipedia
It first appeared in Middle English in 1402 as slutte (AHD), with the meaning “a dirty, untidy, or slovenly woman.”[2] Even earlier, Geoffrey Chaucer used the word sluttish (c.1386) to describe a slovenly man; however, later uses appear almost exclusively associated with women.[2] The modern sense of “a sexually promiscuous woman” dates to at least 1450.[2]
Another early meaning was “kitchen maid or drudge” (c. 1450), a meaning retained as late as the 18th century, when hard knots of dough found in bread were referred to as “slut’s pennies.”[2] A notable example of this use is Samuel Pepys’s diary description of his servant girl as “an admirable slut” who “pleases us mightily, doing more service than both the others and deserves wages better” (February 1664). In the 19th century, the word was used as a euphemism in place of “bitch” in the sense of a female dog.[2][3]
Elsewhere I see “a woman with the morals of a man” which makes the original question multi-dimensional.
But I submit that among the current meanings to the teen age males are “She slapped me when I tried to unhook her bra”.
One wonders what the response would be if it turns out that the good doctor had (as she well might have with good reason) participated in a “Slutwalk” the other day.
Gary g. Swenchonis,
hi, I think frustration and exasperation are very close if not to anger,
just to tease you,
bye.
I’m wondering if any of you are along the HURRICANE IRENE,
which was my mother’s name, she THE HURRICANE IS in NORTH CAROLINA
BYE
Interesting how you see things you would have missed before.
A nephew has a thing on Facebook (I have no idea what the back story is yet)–a picture of a typed note (I can explain what that means):
Dear People of the World,
I don’t mean to sound slutty,
but please use me any time you want.
Sincerely,
Grammar
THAT IS FUNNY, AND UP TO DATE
Larry Sheldon,
is in there an animal call sloth,
I think yes
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Yes there is. Several varieties.
Now look what you have done–I should be going to bed, but now I am going to have to find out which came first, the critter or the sin.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Thanks for the tease Beez! We lived on the coast for 30 years. And moved inland some. The bigblows were one reason. After Katrina Hurricane insurance went through the roof. Thats on top of your regular house insurance. We were paying 4, ooo a year nearly. And the hurricanes became political after katrina and such a pain in the butt! We got sick and tired of living for weeks with no electric, except for a gennie. I don’t envy those people at all. I don’t know how people even afford to live on the water anymore.
I lived more than half my life in California (earthquakes, wildfires, floods, droughts).
I’ve been to Florida (humid, mosquitoes, hurricanes).
I’ve been to the far north Atlantic (towering waves, bitter, bitter cold, brutal winds)/
I’ve been to Death Valley (one of my favorite spots, actually).
I live on the Great Plains, pretty close to the middle (cold, bitter cold, hot, deadly hot, dry, floods, blinding snow, immobilizing snow, ice, high winds. And tornadoes–how could I forget the tornadoes?)
I hang on on the Internet. (trolls, hateful people, trolls, hassles, reolls, arguments, trolls).
The Internet is best. I can turn it off and go to bed.
Gary g Swenchonis, yes it must have been quite an ordeal in KATRINA,
hard to shake it out for sure,
glad you’re safe for this one
bye
Larry Sheldon, hi,
YOU have seen a lot of extreme weathers, and they all are giving you the choice to pick them,
in a life time, of searching,
guess that you won’t get to meet IRENE today,
I will be next on her path of destruction, and I’m on high ground but
not far from the ATLANTIC where she will worlwinding [I just made that word] fighting for
her life on earth and heaven amen.
bye
retire05, hope you are safe too, you know hurricane well
because you are one of them,
and when you touch ground the people have notice always,
but the debate is worthwhile to participate, because you leave many bits
to add to our mind hungry for food,
bye
OKAY NOW, I’m going back to bed ,
I just got up to check on y’all
if you start again to debate , one will hit the 100
and which one will it be to get this honor?
I’ll check back later in the morning
now 97 and go
IRENE goodnight IRENE, IRENE goodnight,
goodnight IRENE, goodnight IRENE,
I’LL see you in my dreams,
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, I gave you the wrong impression. We lived on the Texas coast for 30 years. After Kat hit and all the ensuing political fall-out hit from if Bush did a good job or not put hurricanes on the national spotlight. the following lawsuits from people who said they were to damn dumb to buy hurricane insurance went to court, that money had to be paid by some one, it was passed on to the consumers, plus the all the money insurance companies had to pay out anyway. And then the media got in on the coverage of hurricanes, and spread doom and panic, hoarding began on food, gas, etc… people started leaving when it was only a tropical storm, life was turned upside down, it was a three ring circus. It got old and expensive. Not counting the repairs one had to make, lost time from contracts, work, etc… Did not want to leave you with the wrong impression. if you are in the path, good luck and Godbless!
Gary G, Swenchonis,
thank you, for the good wishes, so far so good , a sky full of clouds and rain falling, here but the wind is our enemy and when if it comes, I’ll go hiding under like a coward, and if the ceiling fall on me, I’ll work my hands and feet out, and if I’m being flatten like an ironing board, I’ll slide my self slicing the only space I need to come out,
and if all else fail!!!!!!! I’ll come back as a spirit to get at my friends here at FA, and let everyone know where I am.
bye
bees, if you want to know where my passion comes from research the Lost Batallion of World War II, 2nd Battalion, 131st Field Artillery, Texas National Guard.
It is interesting reading.
Yes, I have dealt with hurricanes and the whole “Irene” this was a bit overhyped to me. Basically, it made landfall as a lot of water and a hard blow. Katrina, and later Ike, were different stories. Katrina created so much damage, and loss of life, due to the ineptness of the Louisiana leadership at the time. Fortunately for Louisiana, those politicians have been replaced.
But after Katrina hit, my better half and I loaded up the travel trailer, new generator in the back of the pick-up and headed for Mississippi which really took the brunt of Katrina. We volunteer through a church group in Hattisburg and felt that since we had the means, we needed to help others in a disaster that was not of their making. For the most part, it left a pretty bitter taste in our mouths. We were there, on our own dime, to help fellow Americans only to see so much fraud that it made the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Yeah, there were those who appreciated the help, and preferred it over government help, but for the most part, most were just trying to rip the government off.
Here is an example: a couple was next to us in a RV park and after a few conversations we learned that they were not living in Mississippi when the storm hit. They were living in New Jersey, but her mother lived in Mississippi, and since they were both out of work, they quickly relocated to near Hattisburg. They laughed how they were getting a FEMA trailer, and all the other help that came with it, and he was working under the table replacing roofs. Another FEMA trailer in the RV park had been given to a man to live in while his home was being repaired. But only one end of his house had been affected, so he was living in the other end and renting out the FEMA trailer to the illegals that had descended on Mississippi like a horde of locusts to do construction work. This ass was making $550/month from the illegals off a trailer paid for by us taxpayers.
We got pretty selective who we helped. When we left 23 months later (to the day) there were still houses with blue tarps covering the roof but had new HumVees sitting in the drive way. The Ford dealer (we have a F-250 that needed repair while we were there) told me that it was his best year ever and that people were buying the big stuff. He said he was having trouble getting King Ranch F-150’s, not exactly a cheap ride. Drive thru Hattisburg and you saw some of the most expensive vehicles going, all paid for using FEMA money.
When you see how your fellow Americans are willing to scam the system because they believe it is owed to them since Mother Nature dealt them a hard knock, it is hard not to get jaded, if even slightly.
After Ike hit, and almost wiped Galveston Island off the map, there was a bill board on I-45 leading to the island that said “Hey, Ike, Kiss Our Grits”
I decided to take a cowards way out–I am not going to say who said what, I am going to list the things that to any degree offended ME as I scan from top to bottom.
If I see and connect with a “satisfaction” of a prior slight I’ll nore that, but the absense of a note has no meaning.
The post that begins: “And Palin did what to further Alaskan/Israel relationships when she was governor…” bothered me greatly because it is a huge shove of the thread off the topic and is irrelvant to it.
The post that begins: “How can anyone possibly take Glenn Beck seriously?” is a mindless, kneejerk reaction that deserves no notice (but I suspect that we will see that I was too weak to resist the bait). There is no answer to the posting possible.
The post that begins: “Wow, Nan! …” is a cheap shot that drives the thread farther afield. In a review like this, I can see (what I missed before) that we have here an active example of a classic Internet troll at work. I suspect that I am about to tire of this particular windmill-joust.
The post that begins: “Really? A resolution is now just as important as an actual working relationship? Please, spare me the spin.” clarifies the picture.
And here I conclude my review. The troll wins.
And with a reminder that I have been colder in Palmdale and here on the Great Plains than I ever was in Alaska, that Alaska is very different from Minnestoa or Texas in every conceivable way, that Alaska is not a good candidate for a Mattel factory, I am out, in the military communications sense.
@ilovebeeswarzone: I like your spirit Bees, I really do. Keep it up.