Zero Hedge:
Authored by Sergei Markov, originally posted at The Moscow Times,
Today, as a result of the Ukrainian crisis, U.S.-Russian relations have hit their lowest point since the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 or of Czechoslovakia in 1969 — or perhaps even since they bottomed out during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Crimean crisis, which began as a power struggle between the ruling authorities in Kiev and opposition forces, transformed in to an attempt to overthrow Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych by pro-Western and nationalist opposition forces with the support of the U.S. and European Union.
The crisis escalated into a conflict between the U.S. and Russia after the West supported a coup, then lied by violating the Feb. 21 agreement when it recognized the formation of a new and illegitimate government of extremists.
This conflict has the potential of sparking a new Cold War — something I never thought could happen in modern times since I believed it would have to be rooted in ideological differences. Instead, Moscow and Washington have billions of dollars of economic interests at stake, making this a geopolitical rather than an ideological Cold War.
Moscow does not see the revolution in Ukraine as an attempt to create a more democratic or law-based society. Instead, it sees the events in Kiev as an attempt to make Ukraine as anti-Russian as possible. The new government represents a minority of the Ukrainian population. It wants to suppress the Russian-speaking majority and violate their right to representation by holding unfair elections on May 25.
Moreover, U.S. President Barack Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel deceived President Vladimir Putin when they pursuaded him to convince Yanukovych to refrain from using force to quell the Maidan, and then to sign the Feb. 21 agreement — which they refused to uphold. Instead, they told Russia to accept the new reality in Ukraine. But why should Moscow accept that reality when it is directed against Russia, democracy and human rights?
What did Russia do to become the focus of so much animosity? Is it because it prevented the West from bombing Syria? Because it persuaded Yanukovych not to sign the Association Agreement — a treaty of little real importance to the EU? Those are trivial reasons for starting a new Cold War.
It seems that the West simply does not like Putin. He is a huge obstacle who prevents them from achieving global hegemony. For this reason alone he must be broken. Nobody in Moscow has any doubt that what happened in Ukraine will be repeated in Moscow in two or three years. Without Putin, there will be few world leaders left who have the power or courage to stand up to Washington. When this happens, the entire world will have to quickly accept the new reality.
@retire05, #44:
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you really are oblivious to the geopolitical agenda of some of the turkeys you have voted for and elected in the past.
How do you imagine Russia perceives the expansion of NATO? Albania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey… North Atlantic? WTF, indeed. There’s the clueless Mr. Romney, publicly proclaiming Russia to our most dangerous geopolitical adversary—one of a number of things that no one running for president should be publicly proclaiming, even if he or she is thinking it. The whole damn GOP engages their mouths before putting their brains in gear. Don’t they realize that people are listening beyond our own borders? That some people, like Vladimir Putin, can actually react to what he hears them saying?
I think Republicans were lost after the Soviet Union fell apart. They need an enemy, a global menace, an Axis of Evil, to make sense of the world. It’s all US vs. THEM, both abroad and at home. Their whole damn view of reality is that sort of oppositional dichotomy. Nothing makes sense to them without it.
@Greg:
Ironic how you can find fault with Romney, yet you are mute when it comes to Obama being so inept that the Russians are bold enough to mock him on Twitter.
As to the GOP looking for an enemy; laughable. Of course, Obama has already declared who his enemies are; US. Anyone who doesn’t subscribe to his Marxist world views and are not willing to let me change this nation into some third world crap hole.
You are pathetic, Greggie. You are so indoctrinated into the leftist mantra that you can’t see your hand in front of your face. I guess, since you are such a supporter of Putin invading a sovereign nation because it benefits Russia, you would not have any objection to the U.S. invading Mexico, or Canada for that matter, because it would benefit this nation.
Frankly, I don’t care how it perceives anything. IT’S A COMMUNIST COUNTRY, GREGGIE. Your kind of place, I assume.
Why don’t you just fess up and admit you’re a Marxist. It would make things so much easier.
Greg
you did turn things upside down, and again showed the same pattern which is apply by democrat,
that is , blame the GOPS FOR PUTIN ‘s actions, blame your mother, for ,making an idiot like you,
did she smoke and drink AT THE TIme,
YOU are, crossing the OBAMA red line, and atack this party , who could figured it coming,
BECAUSE OF A SIMPLE FACT, THAT IS THEIR THINKING MIND, OVER IDIOT LIKE YOU,
AND THE THREAT OF VLADIMIR WHO THINK HE CAN WIN THE WORLD WILL REMAIN BECAUSE ,
YOU ALL GIVE A PASS TO FOREIGNER AND SEND MONEY WHICH BELONG TO AMERICA,
TO MAKE ALL THE VLADIMIRS OF THIS EARTH CONTENT AND REFRAIN FROM ATTACKING USA,
WHILE THIS PEOPLE STAND IN LINE TO FIND A JOB GONE ELSEWHERE,
AND BLAMING THOSE WHO OUTSMART YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE IDIOT, TELLING
OTHER SMARTER THAN YOU , THEY ARE IDIOT,
IT’S SO OBVIOUS THE WAY YOU ACCUSE AMERICANS OF BEING ALL IDIOT EXCEPT THE DEMOCRATS
WHICH YOU BELONG BLINDLY, AND GIVE A PASS ENOUGH TO STAND FOR THEM, TO THOSE FOLLOWING THE ROAD TO MINIMIZE THE AMERICANS,
YOU DIDN’T BUILT IT, OTHER DID, Yes, THEY BUILT A DECAYING ROAD SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BUSINESS GOING STRONG, WHILE I, YOUR LEADER WILL PUT SCREWS ON YOUR ROAD,
AND WILL MAKE SURE YOU FAIL TO BE SUCCESSFUL , NO YOU CAN’t DREAM THE AMERICAN DREAM, I AM THE ONE WHO WON, AND DECIDE WHO MAKE MONEY HERE,
AND YOU GREG HAVE THE ARROGANCE TO BLAME The CONSERVATIVES PEOPLE FOR THIS OTHER PUNK INVADER
OF UKRAINE WHICH CRIMEA BELONG TO,
WE SEE YOUR MINDSET,FROM YOU TO THE TOP, YOU ALL CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN’T HIDE, NO MORE,
YOU ALL ARE EXPOSED, and in the same bed, and not smart enough to CONQUER AMERICA, it take a special breed and they are here, the GOP CONSERVATIVES,
RUNNING WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND THEY WILL GET THERE TO WIPE YOUR NOSE WITH YOUR OWN GARBAGE,
@Greg:$#46 Obama has run up seven times the debt we incurred in Iraq, so protecting our national security is not the culprit. In fact, Obama spent, in on FAILED swoop, almost what we have spent in Iraq and Afghanistan on his failed “stimulus”.
Russia had a treaty with Ukraine to have the Black Sea naval bases. Oh, what the hell am I thinking? We know what Russia thinks of treaties.
Face it, Greg; Russia had no provocation to grab Crimea other than it wanted it. So, that begs the question, what else do they want? Then, of course, what does to world intend to do about it?
@Greg: #48 Tell us why Russia would interpret an expansion of NATO as a threat? As opposed to Russian aggression, when has NATO ever attacked a European country? This would provoke Russia because it would throw a wrench into plans for expansion.
Romney is clueless for identifying Russia as our major threat? Are you not aware what the discussion is about RIGHT THIS MOMENT? The clueless are in charge right now; Obama is sending the self-propelled idiot Biden to eastern Europe to “reassure” our friends. Yeah, that should do it.
“The whole damn GOP engages their mouths before putting their brains in gear.” Let’s see, who opened their big mouth when they didn’t need to, drawing a “red line” across Syria which he had no intention of backing up, giving Putin the green light to go forward in Crimea he needed. THINK before you write, Greg.
Russian military storm Ukrainian Navy HQ in Sevastopol.
Ukraine naval base in Crimea stormed by �pro-Russian activists�
Russia Confiscates Half of Ukrainian Fleet in Crimea Including Submarine
@Bill Burris, #54:
Launching two foreign wars paid for by borrowing money from China, simultaneously cutting taxes, and then leaving the national economy in a smoldering heap is probably sufficient to explain why Bush’s successor was destined to preside over a period of rapidly rising federal deficits. (But the very rich have continued to make out like bandits, so there is an upside.)
An additional part of the Bush years legacy was a rapidly expanding Medicaid Part D program that was constructed with no mechanism to pay for it, and a provision that specifically forbade the government from bargaining for lower drug prices. This was pretty much like installing an auto-destruct mechanism into the Medicare program.
In case anyone has forgotten—selective memory does seem to be a chronic problem—deficits were already skyrocketing when Obama was sworn in. The biggest surge in federal spending growth took place in fiscal year 2009. Spending growth has since declined. In fact, annualized federal spending growth under Obama from fiscal 2010 through fiscal 2013 averaged only 1.4 percent—the lowest annual growth rate since the Eisenhower administration. (Source: Market Watch)
In comparison, the annualized federal spending growth rate averaged 7.3 percent during George W Bush’s first term, and 8.1 percent during his second term.
Most likely FOX News and other right-leaning media outlets have neglected to make mention of this.
Romney is clueless for running his mouth about it. An even more egregious example of mindless mouth running had to do with the Egyptian embassy situation, where he was publicly condemning the carefully calculated, mollifying statements of the U.S. embassy staff while the siege was still in progress. He seemed clueless about the fact that words can have international consequences.
Jeez, I don’t know. Because they’re not stupid?
@retire05, #52:
Yep. Mocking him on Twitter. Truly a brazen move, with far-reaching geopolitical implications. We should definitely go to war over that. Maybe we should launch a retaliatory Twitter attack.
@Greg: “Launching two foreign wars paid for by borrowing money from China, simultaneously cutting taxes, and then leaving the national economy in a smoldering heap is probably sufficient to explain why Bush’s successor was destined to preside over a period of rapidly rising federal deficits. (But the very rich have continued to make out like bandits, so there is an upside.)”
1), the wars were thrust upon us by terrorist attacks and threats, 2) do we not continue to borrow, much more, money from China?, 3) the tax cuts grew the economy and added $750 billion in tax revenues and 4) the Democrats and their CRA had much more to do which the collapse of the economy than anything that Bush did, except for not FORCING Bawney Fwank to reorganize Fannie Mae, which would probably not helped at that point anyway. Yes, indeed, the wealthy have continued to do well, while the middle and lower classes struggle… under Obama, much more so than under Bush. So, there’s that.
Deficits were going DOWN (despite the two wars and tax cuts) under Bush from 2004 to 2008. I’ve covered the Democrat culpability for the economic disaster. Obama has compounded it with Obamacare; the only way he can reduce a deficit is to drive them up to $1.4 trillion, THEN cut them, where they still remain higher than Bush’s greatest deficit.
“In fact, annualized federal spending growth under Obama from fiscal 2010 through fiscal 2013 averaged only 1.4 percent”. What does the rest of the article say about how much spending grew from 2009 to 2010? Again, Obama jacks up the numbers, then cheers when he throttles them back… a bit. Talk about selective. The problem with liberals is their selections are so much narrower, what with all the massive failures and all.
@Greg: Obama tells Putin he will never recognize the Crimean vote; Putin tells Obama “Blow me”. I doubt we have never had such a weak, inept and unable President in the White House in a time of crisis… or possibly at any time.
@Bill Burris, #60:
No particular response was thrust upon us. A situation was thrust upon us. We had a choice of responses.
One enormously expensive response that was chosen was an invasion of Iraq, which had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Al Qaeda wasn’t there before, but they sure as hell are now.
Republicans have made a major project of reassigning blame for virtually everything. That’s all they’ve been doing for the past 5 years, other than trying to sabotage any and all democratic initiatives.
Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for 12 consecutive years, and also had a republican president in the White House for 6 of those years. Yet democrats somehow managed to crash the U.S. economy in very short order—without even having time to make any significant legislative changes?
This is a fairy tale.
@Greg: 48
What are we missing Greg? 7 countries border the Black Sea, Ukraine is only one of them. Russia is one of them, so how could not being in Crimea affect Russia’s access to Black Sea?
@Greg: I enjoy having spirited debates on issues and I don’t want to appear insulting, but your statement “One enormously expensive response that was chosen was an invasion of Iraq, which had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Al Qaeda wasn’t there before, but they sure as hell are now” explains rather clearly how little liberals understand about the war on terror or how and why it is even being fought.
No one EVER, EVER claimed Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. That is a liberal fabrication in order to have something to argue about. The problem with Iraq was they were shown (by ample quantities of now admittedly faulty, not “lies”, intelligence) to have WMD’s. Hussein hated the US and had a history of supporting terrorism. Al Qaeda most certainly WAS in Iraq pre-war. Two and two, Greg, Hussein providing al Qaeda (or any other terror group) a chemical or biological weapon; or even the material for a dirty bomb. There most certainly was the threat of this, the exact same threat which instigated Obama’s illegal foray into Libya or his embarrassing reversal in Syria.
The war on terror is not retribution for 9/11. 9/11 STARTED the war on terror and it spans where ever terrorists operate. Liberals, I think, will never understand this until it becomes politically convenient for them to do so.
“Republicans have made a major project of reassigning blame for virtually everything. That’s all they’ve been doing for the past 5 years, other than trying to sabotage any and all democratic initiatives. ” Greg, really, you are above that. Blaming Republicans and Bush has been the Democrat first line of defense since the 2008 campaign began. Obama has been blaming everything on Bush in order to lay the groundwork for the failure of his economic policies which he knew would fail. What “initiatives” have the Republicans blocked? The “stimulus”? No. Obamacare? No. Obama’s next “stimulus”, his “pass it now” jobs bill? No, Reid would not bring it to a vote because not enough DEMOCRATS supported it. Democrats can’t even cobble together a budget, much less propose anything to boost the economy or help the unemployed. Cmon, Greg. Don’t try to sell me that.
Republicans had Congress for 12 years but Democrats had it the rest of the time. The CRA was passed during THAT time, under Carter and ramped up under Clinton. Bush tried to rein it in, but it was too late. It crashed the economy. Add to that the $17 trillion Democrats have spent trying to create more in poverty to guarantee Democrat votes for hand outs.
Kraken
hi,
if this is not a declaration of WAR, what else is it ?
@Redteam, #62:
Russia does have a border on the Black Sea, but the only existing port capable of handling extensive commercial shipping and military vessels is at Sevastopol. The complications of creating a comparable port elsewhere were discussed here. I can’t add much to what was said.
@Greg:
@retire05:
@Greg:
It’s important for everyone to understand here, that Greg is not a thinking individual. He’s a Collective Drone. Taking a look at what he’s written in post #51, we find that the content is mostly lifted from the rants of comedians and other entertainers throughout the decades, which have found their way into the curriculum of modern academia thanks to elderly hippies. Greg is merely parroting what he’s been indoctrinated with.
Most of this line of thinking began with the original hippies from the late 1960s and perhaps even from the beatniks of earlier decades. With the help of hallucinogenics and other mind altering substances, the unwashed class developed a political ideology that essentially refuses to mature beyond the teenage phase of thought development. One can best see the refusal to grow up in extroverted entertainers like the geriatric Cher or Madonna, who still attempt to dress as though they’re in their 20s. Unsurprisingly, the adolescent thought process also persists in them into old age. You can read the psychology of it expressed in the lyrics from the music of their time and other popular media, where they “hope they die before they get old.” Never trust anyone over 30, right?
Unfortunately for the country, the original hippies who eradicated their intelligence with their proud drug usage, have now been teaching generations of impressionable young people who unthinkingly lap up the romanticized imagery of Woodstock. These are people, who fail to understand the irony of placing a Che Guevarra pin right next to a peace sign pin on their jacket lapels. They fail to see the glaring hypocrisy of those who once burned draft cards now calling for mandatory universal national service.
But what is the hallmark of this adolescent thought process? Well, it’s two fold.
First, like a child who craves adult supervision, the Collective Drone also craves parental direction in the form of suffocating regulation, bans, and mandates.
Second, it’s the mistaken belief that self-loathing and contrarian impulses serve as convincing substitutes for true wisdom. They don’t yet understand, and probably never will, that true wisdom requires experience, rather than spending your days walking into lecture a half hour late whilst hung over and high. They don’t have much in the way of real experience, so they attempt to substitute it with these kinds of contrarian and self-loathing diatribes. It never works on thinking people. But it’s what misleads the drone into embracing the mad scribblings of Karl Marx and other published sociopaths.
So let’s go ahead and examine some of Drone Greg’s parrotings from post #51.
Here the drone immediately identifies with the enemy. I’m at least partially convinced that this may be somehow related to Stockholm Syndrome. The drone believes that he’s engaging in deep insight by empathizing with an adversary. What the drone doesn’t realize however, is that his adversary gleefully takes advantage of his naivete. The term “useful idiot” comes to mind. He doesn’t understand that in no way is Putin just like us, that Putin is in fact a despot who need not be taken at his word, nor treated with the respect of an official elected by a self governing constituency.
Also note how the drone is incapable of understanding the simple distinction between government and culture, lumping all Russians in together in his statement. The fact that the drone doesn’t even bat an eyelash at the highly suspect 97% vote on the Crimea referendum indicates just how easily America’s enemies can take advantage of drones like Greg here at home, and use them for their own propagandist and activist purposes against us.
Now, this is interesting because it shows that the Collective is about to blame Romney for Obama’s prolific foreign policy failures, so we can expect a cacophony of this parroting in the weeks to come. It’s astonishing to think that drones like Greg might believe that they have any credibility on the matter whatsover. Ms. Palin presciently predicted this scenario, and drones like Greg mocked her for it. Mr. Romney correctly warned the public what the reality of the world’s geopolitical situation is. He was likewise mocked for it by drones like Greg.
So now President Obama finds himself knee deep in a situation that he himself found to be preposterous and publicly balked at. In fact it would appear, that President Obama desperately needs to review 1980s foreign policy. President Obama has been President for six years, during which America has followed his foreign policy beginning with the plainly idiotic reset button all the way up to spending the day working on his brackets. Yet somehow, Drone Greg wants to blame the Russia-Ukraine conflict on a remark that Romney made two years ago during his failed presidential campaign? He seriously thinks that Putin was provoked today by something Romney said two years ago? It’s difficult to quell the guffaws at such a naive mentality.
I’m not sure how this remark is expected to be taken seriously from a drone who subscribes to an ideology that thought that it would be a grand idea to give a serious foreign diplomat a gift that emulates an adolescent’s gaming console. Nevermind the hilarious mistranslation.
Here again we see that the drone erroneously believes that Putin is driven by the comments of his political adversaries. Nevermind the fact that our own actual President formally presenting Uncle Sam’s buttocks to Putin for rigorous mounting consistently over the last six years has gained us nothing but Twitter mockery.
It’s like the teenager who thinks the cool kid won’t hang out with him if he hears his parents call the kid a dirtbag. Chances are, the cool kid wasn’t going to hang out with him anyway.
It’s vacuous statements like these that indicate that the Collective lives in an imaginary parallel universe of their own making. It requires ignoring the fact that Putin himself is former KGB, the last son of the Soviet Union if you will. It ignores the fact that Putin has established an “Intelligence Agency Dictatorship.” It requires complete and total ignorance of the way in which the world works. After all, appears that the blue eyed bear on the other side of the pond, wants their old enemy back too.
But much of this also comes back to the Collective’s rage over the wrong side winning the Cold War. They identify and empathize with Putin, because as collectivists, they’re on his side.
@Greg: Russia had a treaty to use the port. While Russia doesn’t care to honor treaties that does not mean Ukraine would not have.
White House tips its hand: Obama not actively considering military force in Ukraine
What a brilliant strategist and tactician. I would absolutely love to play Poker with the President.
Kraken
THAT IS A GOOD READ TO KEEP IN MIND,
THANK YOU,
@Bill Burris, #67:
Russia had a treaty with a country that has just overthrown it’s own elected government by unconstitutional means. The overthrow was accomplished by factions that are hostile toward Russia and that want to align with the West. Why on earth would Russia have expected them to honor a treaty? They haven’t even honored their own constitutional processes.
@Kraken, #66:
Surely we can discuss things like reasonable people.
@Greg:
I did.
HE SPENT MONEY LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW,
he forgot to think of the future unimagined scenario to force a a big expanse of money for the protection
of global peace which if it’s attack, make all the EUROPEAN COUNTRIES VULNERABLE AS WELL AS THE UNITED STATES, AND TO SEE THEM TOGETHER SUCH FRIENDLY PATH IN THE BACK, HANDS HOLDING, BIG MILES, HE FELT SECURE THAT HE HAS A FRIEND, HE CAN TELL SECRETS TO,
AND LIKE THE EGYPT PRESIDENT HE PROMOTE ON THE PRESIDENCY, HE FAILED AGAIN,
AND ALL, HE WAS NEVER WORRYING OF PUTIN DOING IT TO HIM,, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, WHEN YOU MEET A BEAUTIFULL SNAKE, YOU SAY HE IS SURELY A BEAUTIFULL SNAKE, HE NEVER THOUGHT OF THE
SNAKE BEING A POISONOUS WHICH KILL, WE HAD A CLUE OF THEIR MINDSET,
just a few days ago , the mindset was explained by a RUSSIAN JOURNALIST,
HE SAID : ONLY RUSSIA HAVE THE MEAN TO SEND THE US A WEAPON TO CHANGE IT
INTO BLACK CLOUD OF ASHES, THAT IS TELLING US A LOT OF WHAT THEIR MIND IS GIVING THEM,
BUT NOW HE IS COUNTING HIS MONEY TO SEE IF HE CAN AFFORD TO DO ANYTHING,
@Kraken, #68:
Tipped his hand? No one with a clue should have thought for a moment that he was actively considering the use of military force in Ukraine. As was pointed out earlier, the current occupant of the White House is not insane. Russia is not Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. Russia is a nuclear-armed world power.
@Greg: You have a habit of leaving out vital bits of information, transposing the chronology of events and, in the end, bending over backwards to support a vicious despot.
The Russian puppet that was the President of Ukraine expressed his desire to imitate Vidkun Quisling and begin turning Ukraine over to Russian control. At that, the Parliament rose up and kicked his communist ass out of government. Now, I won’t claim to have insight into whatever serves as a Constitution for Ukraine, but what they did was protect their country from a coup. However, it never got so far as to in any way threaten Black Sea bases for the Russian navy. No, Greg, again, you are trying to rationalize the actions of an aggressor. Putin wants Eastern Europe and he is going to take it. Then, possibly, more.
Again, if Russia was being so abused, why not petition the UN to intercede? That’s how Bush addressed Iraq and, unless his predetermined goal was to invade and annex Ukraine. Once this is understood, it is further understood that this will not be Putin’s last stop.
@Greg:
Boy, I could sure use you at my poker table.
@Greg: True, Greg. No one, least of all Putin, would imagine Obama would use military action. Thus far, he hasn’t even employed economic pressure. In other words, Obama is doing exactly what Putin expected him to do… nothing.
I THINK ANGELA MERKEL IS WATCHING IT UNROLLED,
SHE SEEM TO BE VERY CONTROLED, BUT I WOULD NOT CALL IT WEAK AT ALL,
SHE COULD CHANGE PUTIN’S NUTS INTO THE SIZE OF ORANGES,
IF SHE IS PUSHED TOO MUCH,
AND SHE COULD START THE BALL ROLLING,
I’m no fan of Vladimir Putin. I simply understand the reality of the situation. The Ukrainian revolutionary government screwed up. They gave Putin an excuse to secure Russia’s national interests in Crimea. They provoked a reaction that they should have foreseen. There is no rational military option available to the United States. Threatening what it makes no sense for you to do is pointless. Everybody seems to grasp this but the political right.
I suspect that many on the right do grasp this, but, as usual, they want to somehow turn the situation into an opportunity to attack Obama. Those who genuinely don’t get it would represent a serious danger, if they were presently in a position to call the shots. They could turn a regional crisis into World WarIII.
The evolving NATO set-up is beginning to be worrisome. It’s too much like the treaty and mutual defense arrangements before WWI. It gets dangerous when increasing numbers of new states in volatile regions are brought in. You can set up the conditions for chain-reactions. 100 years ago most of the world went to war because of such an arrangement. One spark set the whole thing off.
GREG
DON’T USE THE URAINIANS AS THE BLAME PUNCHING BAG,
IT’S VLADIMIR PUTIN ONLY, DECISION. HE MUST CARRY THE WHOLE LOAD OF HAVING
DECIDE TO MARCH IN A FEW THOUSANDS OF HIS UNIDENTIFIED THUGS IN UKRAINE SOVEREIGN
TERRITORY, WHERE HE PLANTED FOR YEARS THOSE RUSSIANS SO TO CLAIM THAT PART TO HIS OWN,
HE IS RESPONSIBLE OF THE WHOLE PROCESS AND OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS,
HE IS A DANGEROUS KILLER,
Note how the drone attempts to insinuate that right of center folks constitute a minority.
Drone Greg also fails to understand that whether you are considering using military force or not, whether there is a rational military option or not, you don’t come out and advertise your intentions to your adversaries. You want them to have a question mark in their heads as to what you will or will not do, even if it’s just a small question mark. 6000 years of recorded human conflict has taught us this very simple lesson. Unfortunately, the Collective erroneously thinks its wiser.
@Kraken, #81:
In diplomacy, you want people to be clear about your position and intentions. In war, you don’t. War is what you sometimes get when clear understanding cannot be achieved and diplomacy fails.
Just out of curiosity, are you being paid a nickel each time you use the words drone and collective?
@Greg: The conservatives on this blog don’t get paid as do the libs.
@Greg:
You had me fooled.
Kraken
there don”t seem to be any rush to help UKRAINE, WORDS ARE CHEAP, IF YOU ARE BIG, SHOW IT,
lots of speechs but so far nothing done, and one young 21 man has been killed,
by the RUSSIAN TRAITORS, on CRIMEA, and it was said they slash the tire of the rescue cars,
this is WAR MADE TO LOOK LIKE MINOR attacks, just like what the RUSSIANS IN UNIFORM,
unmarked did in UKRAINE STANDING THERE LOOKING LIKE THEY ARE DOING NOTHING BUT GUARD, BUT THERE WAS EXCHANGES AND THEY KILLED SOME AND BRUTALIZE OTHER,
WE SAW IT IN A SURELY HIDDEN CAMERA,, THIS IS WAR, THE RUSSIANS ARE DOING UNDER COVER,
HYPOCRITE COWARD, they are 3 times more numbered ,
than the UKRAINIANS AND THEY TOOK THEIR WEAPONS, THAT IS WAR,
WHAT ARE YOU ALL COUNTRIES WAITING TO HELP UKRAINE
GET RID OF THEIR KILLER THUGS, THE UKRAINIANS ARE OUTNUMBERED, NO WEAPONS,
WE NEED A REENFORCEMENT TO SHOOT,
AND ASK QUESTION AFTER,
WE WANT RUSSIAN BLOOD TO SHOW VLADIMIR PUTIN,
IF HE MEAN TO SAY THAT HE CARE FOR HIS RUSSIAN PEOPLE,
HE STARTED IT THINKING HE WOULD NOT SEE BLOOD ON HIS RUSSIANS,
@Greg: Kraken has a thing for some Aussie boy band.Expect he’ll be quoting them and singing their songs before long.
Ukraine president gives Crimea leaders three hours to release navy chief
Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia
Richard Wheeler,
that sound like a small dart on him,
why did you say that cheap shot,
GREG IS NOT A HUMAN, HE IS A TALKATIVE CHEAP GADGET,
Note how the drone, while making things up off the top of its head, seems to think that diplomacy somehow involves divulging military strategies or lack thereof to potential adversaries.
This is particularly interesting. Drones typically don’t have any problem with excessive overuse of the world collective when amongst their own kind. One can typically observe drones in their…collectives, jutting out their chin, pointing their nose to the sky, and uttering the word “collective” as though it evokes some kind of special wisdom. Collective, collaborative, cooperative. Rinse, repeat.
What’s really fascinating about this though is that clearly the right nerve is being struck here, because of the dissatisfaction they’re expressing with having Alinsky’s 5th rule thrown back at them. Interesting.
@ilovebeeswarzone: “The Collective ” IS a boy band from Australia.
“Greg is not a human,” That IS a very cheap shot Bees—shame on you.
Richard WHEELER
AS WELL AS YOUR CHEAP SHOT ALSO, ON KRAKEN,
SHAME ON YOU ALSO,
@ilovebeeswarzone: I simply stated the truth-nothing wrong with that.
You insulted Greg unfairly. He should get an apology from you, unless you TRULY believe he is not a human–what kind of creature do you think he is?
@Rich Wheeler:
a liberal
Richard Wheeler,
HE MIGHT BE JUST A BOOK WHICH LEARNED TO TYPE,
BECAUSE WE NEVER HEARD HIM TALK,
WE NEVER NOTICE ANY HUMAN EMOTIONS, LIKE A FEELING HE IS ANGRY, OR HAPPY,
WE WOULD FEEL IT, BUT HE IS MONOTONUS WAVE LENGHT,
NOT LIKE YOU, I KNOW YOUR EMOTIONS OF ANGER, ALL THE TIME,
you said it, he is a creature, a liberal creature, Redteam SAID IT
MIX BETWEN A NIMBO AND A TIMBO,
I OMIT THE WORD BIMBO BECAUSE HE ISN’T
Redteam
HI,
you couldn”t resist that one hey,
I DO THE SAME WHEN IT COME
@Greg:
You had me fooled.
As with most things, you don’t know your butt from a hole in the ground. In diplomacy, you are playing poker and you never reveal all your cards. Unfortunately, Obama is playing solitaire. Instead of playing the cards he has, massive natural gas that could be released for sale to eastern Europe, he’s working on his bracketology.
Russian needs Ukrainian gas and the pipe line that runs through the Ukraine. France, and other EU nations will remain silent as Russian troops march through Crimea because they need the energy sources provided to them by Russia. But what if they didn’t need Russia for that? Then what?
You seem to think that the Russian speaking Crimeans are ethnic Crimeans. They’re not. They were relocated from Russia to the Crimea when the Soviet Union starved the ethnic population out. How pathetic your knowledge of history is.
But as I said, you support what could turn into a war in the Ukraine but denounce our invasion of Iraq. It is clear who’s side you’re on, and it doesn’t seem to be the right one.
retire05
hi,
i find it very informative,
thank you,
@retire05, #94:
Interesting. Maybe this approach to negotiations explains the GOP’s reluctance to reveal any specific details concerning their agenda, their intentions, or their imaginary solutions.
Greg
that is a good way what the GOP ARE DOING,
BECAUSE IF THEY REVEAL THEIR CARDS, THE OPONANT COPYCAT IT,
ALL THE TIME,
@Greg:
Right, Greggie. Because we all know if you want to win you show all your cards to your opponent before they show you theirs. Bobby Fisher always let his opposition know what his next move would be, right?