This is the Clinton smoking gun




The same people who want you to believe that man-caused global warming is real want you to believe Hillary Clinton has done nothing wrong. It’s called suspension of disbelief. At the moment Clinton is attempting to bury Donald Trump in negative ads. It is a typical Clinton tactic – a smokescreen meant to cloud the truth about the degree of Clinton corruption which is so baldly evident. Nothing epitomizes that corruption as this article:

Emails Show Clinton Foundation Donor Reached Out To Hillary Clinton Before Arms Export Boost

Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.

In a statement quoted by the Wall Street Journal, a Clinton spokesperson, Josh Schwerin, said of the newly released correspondence: “The fact remains that Hillary Clinton never took action as secretary of state because of donations to the Clinton Foundation.”

The emails, which were obtained through a lawsuit by the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, detail how foundation operations and State Department business intersected, even though they were supposed to be walled off from one another. Last week, Clinton’s campaign said the foundation would stop accepting foreign government donations if she is elected president — but did not explain why it accepted that money while Clinton was America’s top diplomat.

Keeping an eye on weapons sales to countries is a specific responsibility of the office of Secretary of State

A 2015 International Business Times investigative series examined how, in that role, Clinton ran an agency that is responsible for regulating U.S. arms exports, and how those State Department exports approvals substantially increased to governments that donated to the Clinton Foundation. Federal law explicitly designates the secretary of state as “responsible for the continuous supervision and general direction of sales” of arms, and early in her term, the State Department called one arms deal a “top priority” for Clinton.

All you needed to do to procure weapons to suppress democracy is buy off Hillary Clinton

The email exchange about Bahrain shows the Clinton Foundation’s top executive Doug Band in 2009 asking Clinton’s State Department aide Huma Abedin to set up a meeting between Clinton and Crown Prince Salman, who had recently been named the deputy supreme commander of Bahrain’s armed forces. Band referred to Salman as a “good friend of ours.”

Abedin told Band that Clinton had initially rejected a previous request for a meeting with Salman because “she doesn’t want to commit to anything for thurs or fri until she knows how she will feel.” Soon after, though, Abedin told Band that the State Department was now offering Salman a meeting with Clinton.

Salman has directed $32 million to a Clinton Foundation program, and the Kingdom of Bahrain has donated up to $100,000 more. As Bahrain money flowed into the Clinton Foundation, State Department documents showed that between 2010 and 2012 the Clinton-led State Department approved $630 million worth of direct commercial arms sales to Salman’s military forces in Bahrain. That was a 187 percent increase from the period 2006 to 2008, and the increase came as Bahrain was violently suppressing uprisings.

Clinton approved the sale of $70,000 worth of “toxicological agents” to a country using them at the same time on their own people and further tried to push additional sales of missiles and armored vehicles to Bahrain.

It’s probably just the tip of the iceberg of the obvious. Clinton’s office was an open door for bribery:

At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.

Clinton’s aides were working for the Foundation and Clinton knew it. She allowed it despite a pledge to do otherwise. Clinton has lied repeatedly about everything surrounding the Foundation and her actions, but her perfidy has never been more clear. At Will Bunch properly asks “What does Hillary have to do for it to be ‘corruption’?”

But giving people special “access” because they can write a $32 million check is appalling — exactly the reason that millions of voters are up in arms this year. I’ll bet the activists who were choking on tear gas and getting rounded up and beaten by by the cops in the streets of Bahrain would have loved the kind of access that Hillary Clinton gave to Prince Salman. And Salman wanted that access because he wanted to ask for something: Approval to obtain more weapons to crush the pro-democracy movement. And he got what he was asking  for.

It cannot be more obvious. This is the smoking gun.

Only the utter and absolute prostitution of the media can take a pass on it.


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@Richard Wheeler: Like the disgraced AJ, all of your accusations and criticisms of Trump are based, not on his own words or actions, but on the media interpretations of his policies and statements. When Trump says a judge will be biased based on his open support for illegal immigration, he is accused of hating the judge because he is Hispanic. When Trump says, agreeing with FBI and intelligence assessments, that we should suspend Muslim immigration until the refugees can be properly vetted, he is accused of banning Muslims based on their religion. When Trump accurately points out that a father of a soldier killed in Iraq is wrongly attacking HIM while supporting she who actually SUPPORTED the war in Iraq, he is accused of hating Gold Star families.

Meanwhile, his points are accurate and on the mark, though delivered in a non-politician manner. You can claim you don’t support Hillary all you want, but all this is the classic trademarks of a Hillary disciple .

@Richard Wheeler:
The Dems are not the party of JFK anymore. They are more like a political mafia.

@Richard Wheeler:

2 quick answers, as I am about to head out of town.

1. Pardon my abbreviated phrasing. I didn’t mean to imply that the NAACP was racist, particularly not in the fashion which Black Lives Matter is racist. I was trying to point out a glaringly obvious double standard in asking how a theoretical NAAWP would be characterized in comparison to the NAACP.

2. Regarding Trump’s thoughtless insult implying Dr. Carson was a pedophile, please recall that I was a Cruz supporter. Trump is not who I wanted as a candidate, but the sheer, unadulterated corruption that is the very nature of Hillary and the left leaves me no choice but to hold my nose and vote for Trump. The fact that Dr. Carson continues to support Trump over Hillary underscores, for me, the validity of my position.

@Nanny G:

@Ajay42302: If he said it (the F word) you must have a link.

This is just a perfect example of the denial and dishonesty of Trump lickers. Folks like you, Bill, DJ, et al, much like the average Trump licker, just disregard reality and facts and even out right lie in order to heil Hitler to support the leader of your new racist movement.

What do you mean a link? Links are all over the net It’s everywhere you look.. A simple “trump drop f-bomb” Google pulls up 2 million hits.

Yet, you said he never said it, that it was a lie. I mean, are you just that ignorant? Do you still deny the links provided? Were they edited or manipulated? A conspiracy perhaps?

You just cannot rationalize with Trump lickers.

I would suggest that you are as much of a fraud as Trump.

@Richard Wheeler: You also don’t get it or don’t want to. Your party is not the party of JFK anymore. Obama was endorsed twice by the Communist Party of the USA and Hillary achieved those “honors” a few weeks ago. To the best of my knowledge, neither rejected the endorsement. It’s hard to believe that one of your idols (JFK) would have been endorsed by them. They know one of their own (BHO, HRC) when they see it.

Now that you have once again have sided with Hillary claiming that Republicans and conservatives (notice I didn’t say only Trump supporters) are all a bunch of White Supremacists and KKK members, perhaps we can copy your endorsement of her beliefs and post them on Jim Webb’s Facebook page so he knows how you really feel about his family. His son Jim Jr., former Marine and fellow OIF Vet, endorsed Trump meaning he (like most Vets and military members) is according to your beliefs in the same category as White Supremacists and KKK members because they are voting Republican. Glad you clarified that for us. I’m sure Jim Sr. will too.

@Ajay42302: What do you mean a link?

Well, OOPS on you!
The link leads to a dead link in one instance.
Then it has a video where Donald Trump says (and I quote)

”We’re going to have businesses that used to be in New Hampshire that are now in Mexico, come back to New Hampshire. And you can tell them to go ….. themselves.”

He left it blank.

He did NOT say the f-word on the campaign trail, that I’ve heard.
Before, when he was a non-political person, perhaps.

Now Hillary has a real problem with her mouth.
And with throwing lamps, ashtrays and books, too.
And with her legs. She needs help getting up stairs, even standing while speaking.
And Jill Stein, Green Party candidate, spoke about Hillary’s health on PBS….but PBS cut all of that out of her segment!

@Ajay42302: A simple “trump drop f-bomb” Google pulls up 2 million hits.

Big surprise.

Google is in the tank for Hillary.
They expand all possible anti-Trump searches.
They even move negative Trump stories to prominence in the search results.
OTOH, Google is HIDING Hillary’s health search results!

@Bill: For starters see Dr Pete’s #53 re Dr Carson One has to suspend disbelief to say all Trump’s rants are MSM generated. His comment re the mother of soldier, and wife and father of Ted Cruz come to mind. The list goes on.
Over 65% of those voting for Trump don’t like him but feel HRC is worse–Dr. Pete an example.
Over 40% of those voting for HRC don’t like her but think Trump is worse.

Unprecedented negatives–I’ll not vote for either My conscience won’t allow it.


@another vet: Where did I say Conservatives like Word. Kitt. O5, Aye Chi and Mata are white supremacists?–didn’t happen. I’m not calling you a white supremacist
Re Jim Webb—he does not support Trump though some on here have so accused.
Re children Reagan’s son and Cheney’s daughter are Dems–so what.
Webb’s son can support anyone he wants but pls let me know when Sr. endorses anyone..
The Breitbart fringe is attempting a takeover of the GOP–The results will be long lasting. It didn’t have to come to this. Trump is gonna lose. Rubio or Kasich would have beaten the badly flawed HRC.

@another vet: Jim Webb and his son will be voting for Trump.
Interesting that, according to a news search, Jim Webb has gone into hiding since March, 2016.
I don’t think he’s much of a political person at all.
According to one of the last things he did publicly he and his version of Democrat will NOT vote for Hillary:

Webb’s former senior strategist, David “Mudcat” Sanders, told POLITICO he wouldn’t be voting for Clinton, either.

“As a Jim Webb Democrat, and I’ve called myself that before, I’ve never been prouder of the boy,” Saunders said.

@Nanny G: You seem to consistently have trouble getting things right—For the last time Navy Cross recipient Jim Webb Sr. has not said he will vote for DT or HRC—I concur.

@Richard Wheeler:

Where did I say Conservatives like Word. Kitt. O5, Aye Chi and Mata are white supremicists?

I’m not calling you a white supremicist

It was most certainly implied when you said Hillary was spot on in her assessment which she clearly linked us to the KKK and other White Supremacist groups. And just to refresh your memory, the same crap was said about Reagan when the left tried linking him to the Klan. Like I said, no matter who the GOP would have nominated, there would have been an attempt to link him/her to the Klan. Ben Carson, Allen West, Larry Elder, Sheriff Clarke (who ran as a dem),and a host of other black Republicans/conservatives must be pretty dumbfounded being associated with the Klan. They don’t exactly fit the profile.

It didn’t have to come to this.

The establishment Republican Party abandoned its principles a long time ago. They are big government, PC, and chickenshit self-centered political opportunists. The fact that a number of them endorsed Clinton is proof. Not only have they embraced left wing causes and ideology,they have now condoned criminality. They did it to themselves and I say good riddance. Had they endorsed Johnson, at least they would have been endorsing someone who adheres to the principles of limited government and fiscal conservatism.

Trump is gonna lose.

Maybe and maybe not. Here are some reasons I still say it is too early to be calling the race:

1. It’s only August.
2. He’s running against a deeply flawed candidate in Hillary. If it were Biden or someone more likable, then I would say the race is over.
3. Contrary to what the MSM and the pundits are saying, Hillary’s lead has slipped. Recent polls of Likely Voters (Rasmussen, Zogby, LAT/USC) have them in a statistical tie.
4. Looking at social media polls and followings, Trump is way on top.
5. The upcoming Wikileaks.
6. Bill probably really pissed off the FBI with his arrogant statement criticizing the FBI a couple of weeks ago. They are still in a position to do serious damage to her campaign. He should have kept his mouth shut and been happy that Comey let her off the hook.
7. Hillary has way outspent Trump on advertising so far and this is the best she can do. Once he goes full blast he could gain.
8. The economy isn’t doing anywhere near as good as the media lapdogs are reporting.
9. There is always the possibility of another successful terror attack on our soil showing how out of touch the dems are with Radical Islam.

I gave a critique of the Republican Party. How about giving us one on yours? Do you really believe they are centrist and not a bunch of neo-Marixsts?

@Nanny G:

I don’t think he’s much of a political person at all.

Which is why I like him. The overwhelming majority of politicians are self-serving and put themselves above country. They have no principles or honor. The Republican backers of Hillary are a great example. Of the two parties, the one I fear the most are the dems. They are following the Marxist playbook to the letter with the exception of violent revolution. They know they wouldn’t fare very well if they attempted that which is why they are taking more of the Menshevik approach to transform the country.

@another vet: Joe Biden would have cleaned Trump’s clock–if not for the untimely death of his son he would have run and beaten out HRC.. I believe he is a centrist Dem in the tradition of JFK.
Can you square Nan away re The Webbs–Thanks

I asked Dr. Pete and I ask you. What did you think of Trump’s accusations against Dr. Ben Carson? How can you vote for a person so vile?

@Richard Wheeler: Carson and Trump have buried the hatchet, why would you hold account of an ”offense” when the target of it has forgiven?
Do you suddenly want to hold out for a ”Perfect man?”
so fr as I know, Jesus is not running.
Anyway, Hillary is the one who tarred ALL Trump supporters as ”racists.”
IF she wants to do the whole ”guilt-by-association,” thing, what about her Huma who edited a paper at the time it called 9-11-01 an inside job? What about her women-hating, Jew-hating, Christian-hating Saudi friendship?
What about her association with the American Communist Party?
With the Occupy Wall Street’ers?
With the Black Lives Matter cop-killers? With her KKK Grand Dragon friendship?
With her $20,000 political donation from the CA KKK?

By doing sinking this low so early in this campaign season, what new low levels can Hillary reach before the end?

@Nanny G:

He did NOT say the f-word on the campaign trail, that I’ve heard

Exactly! Selective hearing does not change reality. You will never hear nor see any wrong doing in your Rev Trump.

@Nanny G:
Exactly again! Trump uttering a profanity is all a vast Google conspiracy because, well, they’re in the tank for Hillary or, or, or something akin to such amazing stupidity. And I suppose Google has infiltrated all other search engines of the world wide web and hacked them to promote that cause? Every time I chat with you or Bill or DJ, I get this urge to go and wash the stupid off.

Do you have any idea how profoundly stupid your fumbled word salad of an argument is? But as I’ve said so many times, when it comes to a lick of rationale, an iota of common sense, even a hint of honesty, Trump lickers don’t care. They just really don’t care.

@Richard Wheeler:

I asked Dr. Pete and I ask you. What did you think of Trump’s accusations against Dr. Ben Carson? How can you vote for a person so vile?

I realize you want to take as much attention away from Hillary as possible. I will answer your question AFTER you answer mine about what your assessment of your party is. Do you consider them centrist or have they moved sharply to the left and why?

@another vet: I think the Dem. Party has moved left just as the Repub. Party has moved right
I don’t think Dem Party socialist and I think people like Biden and both Clintons are moderates within the Party’s spectrum–Bernie far left BHO left center.
Breitbart “wing” is extreme right and has found substantial footing in current Party alignment. Way outside mainstream Repubs like Bush/Rubio/Kasich.
Trump is a populist–IMO an unhealthy number of his followers are alt. right

BTW To suggest BHO or HRC would accept Communist Party endorsement is as crazy as saying Trump would accept KKK endorsement. False hyperbole.

I understand a vote for Trump as a vote against HRC–True of a majority of his “supporters”–

@Richard Wheeler:

I think the Dem. Party has moved left just as the Repub. Party has moved right
I don’t think Dem Party socialist and I think people like Biden and both Clintons are moderates within the Party’s spectrum

The Republican Party as a whole hasn’t moved anywhere near as far right as the dems have moved to the left. If they had, the deficits during the Bush years would have been much less, Obama wouldn’t have gotten away with his power abuses the way he has, and Trump wouldn’t be the nominee. Hillary and Biden being called “moderates” within the Party’s spectrum shows just how far left the Party has gone especially considering how much of Bernie’s socialist platform was adopted by Hillary.

BTW To suggest BHO od HRC would accept Communist Party endorsement is as crazy as saying Trump would accept KKK endorsement.

They never denounced the endorsement. They need those hardcore leftists as part of their “coalition” just like Lenin needed support of the Mensheviks to gain power. That didn’t end very well for a lot of Mensheviks when it was all said and done. As for Trump, you have supported Hillary’s claim that he represents the KKK and neo-NAZI groups.

Way outside mainstream Repubs like Bush/Rubio/Kasich.

Rubio still has a bright future. He ran too soon and wasn’t ready for the big time. Hopefully he gained some valuable experience. Kasich would have been destroyed by the Clinton smear machine and MSM the same way McCain and Romney were. Bush was a very good governor and would have made a better President than Obama and would be better than Hillary but he lost. He needs to quit being a crybaby. I realize he thought this was supposed to be Bush vs. Clinton and he was to be anointed as the GOP nominee the way Hillary was anointed as the dem nominee but the RNC wasn’t able to stack the cards in his favor the way the DNC did with Hillary. Had Trump lost, Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich were all in front of him. His year to run was 2012 but he was afraid to take on Obama. Hence his poor showing. He wasn’t perceived as a fighter just as another establishment wishy-washy Republican.

As for Trump calling Carson a pedophile, here coverage on his comments. I can’t see where he called Carson a pedophile. Maybe he did. The two have obviously buried the hatchet if there was one to bury.

I understand a vote for Trump as a vote against HRC–True of a majority of his “supporters”–

Don’t blame me for either choice. I didn’t vote for Obama.

Speaking of people (Jim Webb) who are not running for presidemt, but tried to for a time, has anyone been up on the 180 Marco Rubio just did?
When he was running for president he was all for Conservative values (meaning roll back the clock on abortion, gay marriage, etc.)
So, now he’s in a hotly contested Senate election.
and it is post-Orlando, too.
How did that affect his campaigning?
Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Fla.), who is running for Rubio’s Senate seat, called on Rubio to withdraw from the American Renewal Project event and “apologize to the LGBT community.”
From what I’m hearing from FLA, if Rubio thinks he might lose in this re-election bid, he might just do it, too.
He is already saying he is quitting ”judging” gays.
Rubio is also encouraging Christians to “abandon a spirit of judgment” of LBGT Americans.

@Nanny G: What is the problem here Nan? Trump is a huge supporter of LGBT rights–rep spoke at Convention. Ivanka has also been a strong supporter–There’s nothing wrong with that–is there?

@Richard Wheeler: I only wanted to point out that Rubio is pivoting on this issue.
The Conservatives (Cruz, Rubio) were holding this ”social conservative” line ….. during the primaries.
Trump was an evil man with ”New York Values,” until all of a sudden you need to espouse those same values in order to get votes.
It is ironic that Hillary is calling Trump an extreme right-Wing Conservative.
Which is is? Trump is a ”liberal masquerading as a Republican OR Trump is an ”extremist ultra right wing Conservative?”

@Nanny G: HRC did not say Trump was a Conservative. In fact she said he was not a Conservative nor were these alt-right Breitbart types that are attempting to take over the Party.
Question What do FA Consevatives Word, o5, Kitt and Vince have in common?
They DON’T support Trump–same to be said for majority of Conservatives like Cruz.

Trump is a Populist who is out to win and will do whatever he feels is necessary to get to 270.

Hillary called Breitbart, Putin and Nigel Farage all ”extremists.
she claimed Nigel said that ”women are worth less than men.”
Here is the context:

“In many cases women make different choices in life to the ones men make, simply for biological reasons.

A woman who has a client base, has a child and takes two or three years off – she is worth far less to her employer when she comes back than when she went away because that client base won’t be stuck as rigidly to her portfolio.”

He continued: “I don’t believe that in the big banks and brokerage houses and Lloyds of London and everyone else in the City, I do not believe there is any discrimination against women at all.

“I think young, able women that are prepared to sacrifice the family life and stick with their career will do as well if not better than men.”

((Maybe Hillary didn’t read past the article’s title: ))
But, if she did, I guess Hillary thinks you can deny reality and not suffer the consequences of your own actions.
She is saying the company MUST take the loss so the lady who takes a couple years off and thus loses most of her customer base doesn’t suffer for that.
IF there is any logic on earth it is that companies, so penalized by a policy like Hillary’s will quit hiring females altogether.
They are too risky and expensive.

@Nanny G: Do you not think those 3 are extremists? Would you tie your wagon to any of them?

Did HRC call Trump a Conservative? Do you think he’s a Conservative?


You just cannot rationalize with Trump lickers.

AJ what is a Trump licker? Is it anything like a Hillary licker?

@Richard Wheeler:

is as crazy as saying Trump would accept KKK endorsement.

And we all know the KKK is endorsing Hillary.


I use the term “Trump licker” in the same as a “boot licker” and suppose it can be construed as an “ass kisser” but I’m not talking in the literal sense. You can take it however you like.

“Trump lickers” or those sucking up to Trump seem to be more of the batshit crazy lot, unhinged, rabidly radical than those sucking up to Hillary.

But then, it raises the question of how anyone of reasonable intelligence can cheer for either.

@Richard Wheeler: Let’s see…..
Andrew Breitbart has been dead a few years now.
He left a legacy of turning Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals on the radicals themselves.
The Breitbart News pages are put together by dozens, maybe more than 100 news writers.
They are politically on the right.
How many of them has Donald Trump even MET?

Putin is the leader who Hillary really wanted a ”reset” with. Bill really wanted a photo op with him. The State Dept really wanted him to control USA uranium production.
Has Donald Trump ever even had a meal with him???
Nigel Farage is a nationalist, as opposed to a globalist.
That does not make him an ”extremist.”
He was the Victor in UK, hardly an extremist, the Majority of Brits AGREE with him! And Donald Trump predicted correctly his win when all the polls had him losing big!

The Clinton’s, on the other hand, are associated with some really nasty sorts.
Web Hubbell went to prison for stealing but Bill picked him for Associate Atty General of the US Justice Dept.
Hassan Nemazee stole MILLIONS and gave some of it to Hillary’s campaign. He’s in prison.
Johnny Chung funneled illegal Chinese money to Clinton campaigns, even directly to Hillary’s Chief of Staff.
Norman Hsu bilked US citizen out of MILLIONS of dollars and went to prison. But Hillary had already accepted over $850,000 and had to try to find the proper owners or give it to charity! (I bet the ”charity” was a Clinton one.)
James McDougal was a business partner of Hillary. He bilked Americans out of $85 MILLION and died in prison.
Charlie Trie funneled China’s cash to the Clintons. He traded info on himself and other foreign money launderers for the Clintons to get a lower sentence.
To quote you back:

Would you tie your wagon to any of them?

So, would you?


those sucking up to Trump seem to be more of the batshit crazy lot, unhinged, rabidly radical than those sucking up to Hillary.

Oh, really. You consider those who would vote for a successful businessman, a proven leader and negotiator as crazy while those ideological loyalists that follow Hillary though she has been PROVEN to lie about EVERYTHING (and that is no exaggeration or hyperbole), is proven corrupt and is proven to be an incompetent leader and organizer are rational thinkers?

Oh… that’s right. Straight up questions frighten you into cowardly shivers and conniptions. Never mind, girlie.

@Nanny G: You must have me confused with someone who is voting for HRC
I will say that Trump as nominee will hurt costing them control of The Senate.


But then, it raises the question of how anyone of reasonable intelligence can cheer for either.

So that’s what explains your admiration for Hillary.

@Richard Wheeler:

You must have me confused with someone who is voting for HRC

There’s no confusion. You’re a dyed in the wool libtard, Hillary it is. We all understand that you don’t want to admit it.


I’ve never expressed an admiration for Hillary. I highly doubt that I’ll even vote for her.

Why is it that so many of you speak so matter-of-factly when there’s no rhyme or reason to which you speak? It just seems that ignorance, stupidity , and dishonesty is so contagious with Trump lickers.

@Redteam: I’m surprised ANYONE would admit they’re voting for Trump. It’s possible many Trumpists are ashamed to admit their allegiance and that’s why he’s down double digits in most recent polling. They’re fortunate it’s a secret ballot.


It just seems that ignorance, stupidity , and dishonesty is so contagious with Trump lickers.

How is it that you are so knowledgeable as to the gang you call Trump lickers? That the crowd you hang with?

I highly doubt that I’ll even vote for her.

So now you’ve gone from “I won’t vote for Hillary” to “I’m not sure if I’ll vote for Hillary” Yep, sounds like a Hillary licker.

@Richard Wheeler:

I’m surprised ANYONE would admit they’re voting for Trump. I

You admit to being surprised that some people have good sense? You have no problem admitting to planning to vote for a crook, but wouldn’t vote for one of the most successful businessmen in the World? Yes, that’s strange.

It’s possible many Trumpists are ashamed to admit their allegiance

Not sure what a ‘Trumpist’ is, but why would anyone be ashamed to admit their allegiance to the USA? Maybe you’re thinking of Kaepernik. Kinda shot himself in the foot. He’ll be booed out of stadiums now, not that they needed an excuse to boo him.

@Redteam: You continue to be confused–What “crook” did I say I was voting for– Clifton Roberts??
The crook would be Trump–4 bankruptcies–he’s walked away from millions he’s owed to banks and individual investors
For a long time you would not admit your support for Trump. Understandable. Now you clearly own it.


How is it that you were aware that I hadn’t planned on voting Hillary yet accused me of admiring her?


@Richard Wheeler:

I’m surprised ANYONE would admit they’re voting for Trump.

That’s not surprising for someone that voted for Obama and still defends him. People are voting for Trump because he is the last defense against the ruinous continuation of the utterly and totally failed Obama administration. He is the defense against putting someone in the White House that is only looking for he ultimate pay-day, someone that has placed the privacy of her corrupt enterprises above national security.

No, it’s not surprising you don’t get it. Yeah, supporting the “rights” of animals makes sense for someone that creates “rights” our of thin air, then laments everyone not respecting them.


that I hadn’t planned on voting Hillary yet accused me of admiring her?


Interesting that you signed your comment as Dumbass. It’s rare for someone to use that as their nickiname.

@Richard Wheeler:

You continue to be confused–What “crook” did I say I was voting for

Hillary. You can’t praise and defend her on every post and ‘claim’ to support someone that is not even on the ballot.

The crook would be Trump–4 bankruptcies–he’s walked away from millions he’s owed to banks and individual investors

declaring bankruptcy is not a crime, it’s only a common business practice when a business needs to be liquidated. It is well known that Trump has paid off all his debts from bankruptcies. Never left anyone holding a debt from him.

For a long time you would not admit your support for Trump. Understandable. Now you clearly own it.

I have not campaigned for him, have not voted for him and have not donated to him. So exactly how ‘do I show my support for him’. unlike you, I have been honest about who I’m going to vote for. You will vote Obama/Hillary again, I will vote for Trump. All your children and grandchildren loving their insurance coverages about now?

Oooooh! another one has committed suicide. Another close associate bites the dust. Will anyone be left?

declaring bankruptcy is not a crime, it’s only a common business practice when a business needs to be liquidated.

Bankruptcy was never intended to be a means whereby fat-cat billionaires could evade the consequences of their own bad bets while leaving those they led down the garden path holding the bag.

Basically, Trump is the very thing he has convinced people that he as come to save them from. That’s true in many areas. How do people not see the glaring differences between his words and his own behaviors?


Bankruptcy was never intended to be

It was ‘intended’ to be what it is. Suppose you are in the business of making and selling widgets and the market for widgets goes to zero when a new whizbang is invented. This is a ‘corporate’ business, not a personal one. What is someone supposed to do? I’d say liquidate the business. That usually means bankruptcy of the corporation, which means they sell off the assets and pay the secured lenders with whatever that income is. That is the only type of bankruptcy Trump has been involved in, no personal bankruptcy. Proves he is a smart businessman. Anyone investing in public or privately run companies understand that businesses go up and businesses go down. You invest ‘hoping’ yours goes up. Sometimes it doesn’t.
There are likely many thousands of times as many bankruptcies by persons with a worth under a million dollars than there are by billionaires. You think Zuckerberg is going to keep investing big in satellites after his half billion loss this week? Incidentially, I don’t know if it’s true, but it’s been reported that no one that invested with Trump in a business that went bankrupt has ‘lost’ money. Trump has insured that their losses were covered.

@Redteam, #95:

From How Donald Trump Bankrupted His Atlantic City Casinos, but Still Earned Millions, 06/12/2016:

“Atlantic City fueled a lot of growth for me,” Mr. Trump said in an interview in May, summing up his 25-year history here. “The money I took out of there was incredible.”

His audacious personality and opulent properties brought attention — and countless players — to Atlantic City as it sought to overtake Las Vegas as the country’s gambling capital. But a close examination of regulatory reviews, court records and security filings by The New York Times leaves little doubt that Mr. Trump’s casino business was a protracted failure. Though he now says his casinos were overtaken by the same tidal wave that eventually slammed this seaside city’s gambling industry, in reality he was failing in Atlantic City long before Atlantic City itself was failing.

But even as his companies did poorly, Mr. Trump did well. He put up little of his own money, shifted personal debts to the casinos and collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and other payments. The burden of his failures fell on investors and others who had bet on his business acumen.

There’s a pattern. Trump has used Chapter 11 to bail out of 4 separate casino projects, taking a suitcase of cash with him on each occasion as other investors, passengers, and crew members went down with the plane. They were HUGE, folks; they were HUGE. There was The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991; Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992; Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004; and Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009.

In the way of other failures great and small, we also have Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Magazine, Trump Steaks, Trump Steakhouse (racking up 51 health code violations, including stocking expired yogurt and a 5-month old duck carcass—that being refrigerator time, rather than the duck’s time on earth), Trump Mortgage, and Trump University.

All all of which is worth bearing in mind as you consider the possible merits of a Trump presidency. You can’t run a country using the high-risk, you-win-some-you-lose-some approach a riverboat gambler might have taken to individual games of poker—at least not if you care about all of the individual passengers, crew, and investors.

@Greg: A good summary Greg, unfortunately you have been mislead by someone with the intent to do just that. How many companies has Trump started over the years? How many have gone into bankruptcy? How many casino’s in Atlantic City have gone bankrupt? How many did Trump own? How many casino’s have gone bankrupt in Las Vegas? As more states legalize gambling the places that had all the monopolies no longer do and many have gone under. Officially, Trump has had four corporations go bankrupt, all those others you listed have never been into bankruptcy. You need to get more reliable info.
Even though you say Trump benefited from the bankruptcies, it is a well know fact that no others lost personally from the corporate failures.

How is it in your interest to push the meme that Trump is not a good business man? I think most of the world would say he is extremely successful.