The latest fantasy from the fanciful imagination of Barack Obama:
We hear a lot about the United States’ Judeo-Christian heritage, but according to President Obama, “Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding.”
That’s what the president told a White House conference on “countering violent extremism” on Wednesday.
Obama has said similar things in the past:
“I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Obama said in a June 2009 speech in Cairo, Egypt. “Islam has always been part of America,” he said in a 2010 statement marking the start of Ramadan. And in a 2014 statement marking Eid, Obama said the holiday “also reminds us of the many achievements and contributions of Muslim Americans to building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy.”
What the hell is he talking about? Then again, maybe he has a point. Islam did touch the United States of America early on in its history- in the form of piracy.
Over two centuries ago, the United States was dragged into the affairs of the Islamic world by an escalating series of unprovoked attacks on Americans by Muslim pirates, the terrorists of the era. These pirates preyed on unsuspecting trade ships. The hulking merchant vessels of the period were no match for the Muslim pirate ships, which were built for speed and lightning strikes. It was simply a fact of life that- over the centuries-took its toll on countless merchant ships and their crews.
Contemporary scholars estimate that over 1 million white Christians from France and Italy to Spain, Holland, Great Britain, the Americas, and even Iceland were captured between 1500 and 1800. The bloodcurdling tales of brutality and horror that awaited Christians unlucky enough to fall victim to the Barbary Pirates were widely known, although sometimes wildly exaggerated.
Muslims were pioneers in the slave trade:
The reality was often much more prosaic, although no less cruel. After seizing the cargo and scuttling the vessel, the pirates would strip the crew of anything deemed remotely valuable. The shaken, naked, terrified crewmen would then be dragged back to North Africa. There, they would be imprisoned and enslaved or, if they were lucky, ransomed back to their sovereign or their family or the company they worked for.
Often enough, however, the victims of these maritime hijackings would languish in fetid prisons, unsure of when, or even if, they would ever be redeemed. Many perished or simply disappeared in the White Slave trade. The only other escape was conversion. Embracing Islam-“turning Turk”-instantly changed one’s status and prospects. Indeed, from time to time, some of these victims would prove rather able-bodied adventurers and mercenaries, considering their national identity, their religion, and their foreskins a small price to pay as compared with life as a Muslim pirate in North Africa.
Please do read the while thing.
Then Obama fired off another salvo:
“Generations of Muslim immigrants came here and went to work as farmers and merchants and factory workers, helped to lay railroads and to build up America.”
Because you know how important railroads were during the Revolutionary War. He wasn’t done yet:
“The first Islamic center in New York City was founded in the 1890s. America’s first mosque, this was an interesting fact, was in North Dakota.”
Uh, no. It was 1929.
Let’s review the Obama version of the birth of our nation with some images. You remember the writing of the Declaration of Independence:
The signing of the Declaration of Independence:
And there was Washington at Valley Forge
And, of course, the surrender of Cornwallis:
Barack Obama always plays fast and loose with facts. in other words, he lies incessantly. He is arguably most dangerous at times like this- when he assumes the role of lecturer at the Michael Moore/ Oliver Stone School of American History. Besieging other to believe things are so simply because you say them might be fine for a community organizer but it is a poor character trait for the President of the United States. Does he really believe this crap?
Islam has been part of this country since its founding like you can keep your doctor and your plan. And we are at war with radical Islam. When even Vox sees it, Obama has a problem. And so do we.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
Anyone want to start a pool as to the date Obama “converts” to islam? I will start with a bet that it happens within a year of leaving office….
Historians think that 20% to 30% of the African slaves brought to colonial and early America were Muslim. I guess that makes them part of the fabric of American history.
@Greg:
What historians?
@retire05: Operative word “think” i.e. they really don’t have a clue. but are going on that hope and change bs.
We owe Muslims for our United States Navy.
Had it not been for all of the American Merchant Marines kidnapped by Muslim pirates and held for ransom eating down our national treasury so fast, we might never have created a federal Navy.
But, even at a high initial cost, it was reckoned that a Navy would, over the long run, save the nation from going into debt just to keep buying back our own citizens from Muslim pirates.
And we were right, too.
After just a few naval battles the piracy against American flagged merchant vessels stopped.
Too bad we don’t fight so as to win anymore.
Greg actually may have a point.
Swahili is not a real language. It is a mix of Arabic and Bantu. It was used as a trade language in West Africa
The slave trade, the gold trade (from Timbuktu), other trade in West Africa from Spanish Sahara to Nigeria.
They involved the local countries – whether they were ‘notional’ Muslims, Christian (snicker) or other – warring and fighting. The output was slaves which were traded between the players
The dutch, the English, the Spanish got involved and changed the paradigm
@John+Hardesty:
Inconclusive:
At any rate, Arabic is a language not a religion. It would be an unsupported stretch to claim that some of the slaves were “Muslim” based on a presumed linguistic connection in the Swahili tongue. American English is a mutt of a tongue itself with many words adopted from a good many languages and peoples. Knowing that there is an existence of native American words in American English, would not justify an assumption that US citizens worship the God Coyote (or a god from any of the other tribal pantheons) any more than would claiming that a Latin speaking Catholic priest means he worships the Gods of Rome.
So the second day of Obama’s “Violent extremism” conference opened with the muslim call to prayer and an imam reading from the koran.
He’s not even trying to hide it anymore. This is exactly like the muslims wanting a mosque/islamic “cultural center” at the WTC site.
If these african slaves were muslims, it was because they were converted by force by muslims. Just like today…..
The most important muslim contribution to the US was the line in the Marine Corps hymn “to the shores of Tripoli”
@Pete:
It is called – “in your face” — it is time to kick this crap back up the a$$es of the demo-COMMUNIST and RINO parties!
Where the ‘ell are all the mosques all over the N and S Americas and the Caribbean Islands — shouldn’t they all have national historic site designations?
Correction — it IS the ONLY contribution
@Greg: Proof Greggie, your credibility is less than ZERO!!
@Greg:
SOURCE FAIL
Greg: One historian, Barton, David cites some Moslems in Spanish Florida, The debtor colony ,Georgia, had one Moslem. This does not constitute an “…woven fabric…” for colonial times in America. However, I would be grateful if you could list those Historians so my meager examples would be complete.
It sounds bit weird that People are following these notional sort thing in this even in this era where most of the human races of 21st century are entangle in managing their livings ……
@Jim S: It was the birth of the USMC and they appreciated the target practice. This was the fabric they wove shortly after the founding.
Some names often mentioned in connection with the estimate of Muslim slaves are Peter Manseau, Thomas A. Tweed, Edward E. Curtis IV, and Sylviane A. Diouf. The estimates seem to range from 10 percent up to 30 percent. It’s a controversial topic, but a legitimate one.
It seems reasonable to think that some portion of enslaved people who arrived in America were Muslim, considering the part of the world that was supplying slaves to the market. Generally Muslims have been forbidden from enslaving other Muslims, but racism made for a convenient way of assuming that members of targeted populations were not. Muslim slave traders were nothing if not racist. African blacks were considered not only less than Muslim, but less than human. It was a highly useful notion to slave suppliers, sellers, and buyers. That said, Muslims enslaved people of all races.
Apparently the Spanish avoided enslaving Muslims to bring to the New World. They figured doing so was sowing the seeds of slave rebellions.
You’d think the hyperbolic distortion applied by the right to anything Obama says these days would raise more eyebrows than it seems to. Strawmen seem to be rolling off a high-speed assembly line somewhere.
@Greg: And the blame Bush and Republican puke from you never stops!!
Founding Fathers First War Was Defending America From Muslim
Founding Fathers First War Was Defending America From Muslim ‘Brotherhood’: Treaty Of Tripoli.
@Pete: Oh please! He doesn’t need to “convert” because he already is one. Just look at the man, his words, actions. After six years, you still don’t get it?
@Greg: Wow! “hyperbolic distortion”. That’s a new one. I guess when an autopsy is done on your sorry ass, your brain will be colored pink from all the kool-aid you’ve been drinking. Oh, don’t let me stop you … keep on drinking. You are a lost cause anyway but never fear, your friends the mooslims will still not hesitate to take your head off first chance they get.
@Common Sense: Pitiful isn’t it? I talk to my liberal family and friends and they still blame “both” Bushs’ (41 & 43). And when I say they were still a better choice than either Kerry or Gore, they simply cannot agree even with all the evidence of corruption, scams and ineptitude those guys have shown since.
“Oh ye Americans”: The Autobiography of Omar ibn Said,
an enslaved Muslim in the United States.
It’s a transcription of the handwritten testimony of an educated Muslim who was captured by slave traders in Senegal in 1807, brought to South Carolina, and sold as property. He died in 1864, still a slave. He seems to have been well treated in captivity.
Is his story not part of the nation’s history? Wasn’t his life a thread woven into the cloth?
@Greg: Just give it a rest Greg! I’m sure if you look close enough, even under an electron microscope, you will find lint from your own belly button that traces back to their contributions to the fabric of America. Why do you insist on insisting?
Is there a point of degeneracy or dishonesty that will cause a Leftist sycophant to doubt the intentions of their leader? Are they willing to accept any falsehood as gospel, if dear Leader has pronounced it as gospel. Not only has Obama’s treachery exposed him as an agent and lobbyist of Islam, but it has exposed the moral decay of the left and the simple-minded thinking of his followers. It is a tragedy to think that he is leading this country while representing our enemies, but it is a much larger tragedy to realize his followers are more than willing to elect him or his proxy for another eight years the self-destruction of America. In the mean-time, we listen to history being rewritten by the fool in the Oval Office and his lunacy is applauded by millions of dupes who will gladly trade freedom for the security of a dictator.
@Aguila1952, #24:
Perhaps turning every comment the President of the United States makes into an occasion for slander should be given a rest. Obama wasn’t actually suggesting that Muslim Founding Fathers had signed the Declaration of Independence, was he?
Some people seem to have trouble with metaphors. They also seem totally clueless about the nature of diplomacy in an age of satellite television and global news coverage.
Greg ,thank you for the list of “Historians”. The people you cited are controversial, to say the least Given that as your nexus of thought, may I suggest David Greenfield, as a critic of Mr. Peter Manseau and his selectivity process .Which brings us to using revisionist historians as a standard by which the fabric of history is woven is shallow and banal.
Obama’s claim is another in his long string of flat-out lies.
There is not one tenet of Islam has found its way into American law or tradition.
Only if and when Islam parrots other religions in its own record is anything similar found.
Obama has advanced the lie that Thomas Jefferson celebrated the Muslim holiday of the Iftar diner. This characterization of what Jefferson did in 1801 is actually a mischaracterization of what he actually did. Jefferson did not host any Iftar dinner.
He merely sat to eat with a Muslim among his guests at a time more convenient to his guests.
Compare that to Obama eating right in front of a fasting head of state! (India’s Prime Minister Modi.)
Below is the proof for what the president said:
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53:01 By the star when he falls
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53:23 They are not but [mere] names you have named them…….
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53:35 Does he have knowledge of the unseen, so he sees?
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53:37 And about Abraham who fulfilled his duty?
53:38 Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;
53:39 That man can have nothing but what he strives for
; 53:40 That (the fruit of) his striving will soon come in sight
; 53:41 Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete
) 53:42 And that to your Lord is the End (Return of everything
53:43 It is He who causes laughter and weeping.
53:44 It is He who causes death and gives life.
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Verses from “The star” chapter in holy Quran
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See how the star “Abraham Lincoln” fell after he fulfilled his duty by freeing the slaves, so no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another, and that man can have nothing but what he strives for, and see how “Abraham” fell while watching a comedy show and how the laughter became weeping
The story of Abraham Lincoln, Mary Todd, John Wilkes Booth, Noah Brooks and many other persons from holy Quran since 1400 years with accurate dates and
coordinates !!!!!!!
http://abrahamlincolninquran.blogspot.ae/2013/04/abraham-lincoln.html
@Abraham: Ah! — Now I know where Shakespeare got all of his inspiration
@mike191, #27:
Suggesting that some percentage of blacks who were taken by force and sold into slavery were Muslims is somehow controversial? What exactly is so startling and controversial about that proposition? The northern half of Africa was predominantly Muslim by the beginning of the 20th Century. That didn’t happen overnight. It stands to reason that a significant number of African blacks were Muslim by the time the slave trade had become an intercontinental commercial enterprise. Slave suppliers who viewed black populations as a less-than-fully-human resource to be brutally exploited probably weren’t especially particular about who their lackeys murdered or rounded up. Subsequent to capture, being black and in chains defined your status completely. There was nothing to discuss.
There seems to be some sort of underlying assumption about enslaved people in the colonies and the early United States that this idea doesn’t sit well with, though I’m not sure what that assumption might be.
Greg my post was about the selectivity process that Mr. Manseau, in particular used to arrive at being Moslem ,from tribal state to subjugation into Islam, is the controversial nature among critics ,David Greenfield, is stating. Does his tribal lineage become null and void from Islam? Moreover, Mr. Manseau writes of Spanish conquests which would pre date colonial times.
Once again, I suggest reading Mr. Greenfields perspective.
I acknowledge the brutality of slavery and all its ramifications as you correctly state. The controversy lies in the citation of authors listed by you .As an aside, more slaves went East than West .However, I am sure that the Historians you read will find fault with that perspective.
Thank you for responding to my post.
@Greg: Greg, Greg, Greg. Bless your mentally challenged soul!
I have worked for Fortune 500 companies and given speeches and worked with smart people of many backgrounds and ethnic origins. When Barry showed up in 2008 I knew immediately he was a fraud and his speaking was fake. More than that I knew he was not a smart man. And on top of that he did not think or act like an American. Call that slander if you want, that is what a socialist would do to try to intimidate others to shut up. But being an American, I will be damned if you can stop me or coerce me into shutting up.
How Barry got elected is one of the biggest scams in the history of America. And the fact that he was reelected shows just how dumb the majority of voting Americans are to not only him but the whole electoral process. I don’t blame Barry because he is only the front man. But he is carrying out his orders from his position to transform America. And this includes beginning to rewrite history to include the Muslim even though their contributions to the world, much less America, the positive ones that is, happened a thousand years ago. And now they seek to gain recognition by fear and intimidation when they have contributed nothing on note in any recent age. So who gives a rats ass what they did hundreds of years ago?
Barry can bow all he wants and waggle his finger in unity with his muslim bro’s but the truth is he only smiles like that when he is in the dark continent. If he was truly interested in making a difference in the world and creating a legacy for himself, he would go back to Africa and “fundamentally transform” that sorry land that even Allah has forgotten.
So don’t lecture me about being clueless to the nature of diplomacy in our current times. I know the nature of diplomacy and it is all bull puck. Clinton, Kerry, I want to toss my cookies! You want to hang your hat on that while the country is crumbling, by all means, go ahead. But don’t act all high and mighty on your high horse telling everyone how great the Muslim is. Maybe they were at one time but that was then. What have they done for the world of late except kill, subject and destroy, and cry like a bunch of babies about their sorry state? Not much in my book.
@Greg:
No doubt a fact. Slaves captured and provided by Muslims as well. Odd, isn’t it, that Obama would praise the very people that thrived from the slave trade to the Americas?
@Aguila1952, #33:
Where, exactly, have I suggested that Muslims are great? You only imagine I’ve said that. I neither said that nor implied that, either here or anywhere else. Lack of hatred for something does not equate with adoration.
People on the right seem predisposed to read between the lines; to project their own alternate meanings onto straightforward statements that serve to confirm their own preconceived notions. They’re receiving a great deal of encouragement in this from right wing media at present. The motivation is to gain some additional degree of domestic political advantage. In my view, this shortsightedness is dangerous to the nation.
Obama is taking enormous pains to keep our conflict with violent Islamic extremism framed as a problem with violent extremism, rather than as a conflict with Islam. It’s absolutely imperative that this messaging effort succeed, because we cannot ultimately defeat Islamic extremism without the cooperation of the greater Muslim world.
As many things as I was in disagreement with George W. Bush about, I’ve got to acknowledge that he, too, fully understood how utterly essential it is that Islam be distinguished from Islamic extremism. He often made that point in no uncertain terms and took pains to direct that message to the greater Islamic world. I don’t recall any backlash from the political right as a result.
There are around 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Do you want to focus on extremist groups like ISIS and have a chance to bid for the grudging support of the Islamic majority, or do you think it’s somehow helpful to make it easier for such extremist groups to claim they’re “defenders of the faith” against Christian aggression?
@Bill, #34:
Nearly all of the slave traders and owners in America were Christian. They certainly thrived because of it. I haven’t heard any generalized condemnations of Christianity because of that.
Someone might observe that The institution of slavery was woven into the very fabric of our Christian nation from it’s founding. That, unfortunately, would be an accurate observation as well. The resultant problems are still with us.
@Greg:
Well, waddayaknow? You actually recognized that there has never been any that have been promoting the concept that the radical Islamists represent all of Islam. The next step in your emotional and intellectual development is to realize that even though it is widely acknowledged that ALL Muslims are not RADICAL Muslims, there is no avoiding the painful fact that radical Islamic terrorists are Islamic. They do what they do for Islam and we cannot effectively fight them without acknowledging that fact. It is not a law-enforcement issue, it is not a result of the Crusades, it is Islamic aggression and desire for dominance. Even if only a tiny percentage of Muslims buy into this, it is still Muslim and Islamic.
Yet, many that provided the slaves were Muslim. No slave traders went and secured their own slaves, they went to Africa and bought them and some of those wholesalers were Muslim. So, Obama praises people that were instrumental in promoting the slave trade, especially so since slave trading, taking hostages and ransoms is inherent in their society and culture. You don’t even have to go back to the Crusades to find Muslims taking hostages, selling slaves and torturing captives. If using the past to judge the present, is it improper to use that standard across the board?
Obama praises slavers, the very people that enslaved blacks in the United States. Hey, we didn’t make the rules; you guys did.
I did a lot of reading to write this article:
The Muslims were never mentioned as slaves. Most of the slaves were from West Africa. The Muslims controlled the slave trade of North Africa, the slave trading posts that supplied the Americas and the Caribbean were on the West Coast of Africa, but proliferated north and south because of the profit. The Muslims began raiding far to the south and servicing these slave trading posts, but back then, people would rather not deal with them, imagine that. Most of the posts are factories were set up by African chiefs who traded and enslaved Africans to the Trans-Atlantic slavers, they were all fun-loving people. The would occasionally decapitate the culls; since the slavers only wanted the most healthy specimens, who looked like they could survive the trip. Slavery wasn’t solely a US phenomenon, Every country south of Canada was involved in slavery.
If there were Muslims enslaved, there is no mention of their religion surviving in the US or anywhere in the New World.
@Greg: Considering White Christian men are responsible for ending the slave trade, and slavery itself, make it difficult to ply the current “Christianity is just as bad as Islam” narrative you obviously subscribe to.
The resultant problems today are exaggerated, if not plainly manufactured due to a political party’s agenda.
Slavery existed in many parts of world, and the fact that is existed in America does not overshadow the fact that the US is the most tolerant, mixed, culturally vibrant, and fair place for people of any background to live in. No other country comes close to the equality and fairness someone of any background can enjoy than America.
The form of islam being criticized today is backward, vile, racist, sexist: pretty much everything dems claim to fight. In fact, all Islamic culture is primitive, in general. Making weak parallels between the crusades and current murders by muslims is more than a stretch. It’s propaganda.
The current fad of “hating” America and indicting it on historical grounds doesn’t hold up to real research and academic vigor.
This is about Christianity: trying to rewrite history to show that Judao-Christian culture did not achieve most of what we know in math, science, social sciences…pretty much every aspect of civilization that is positive, the world over.
@Bill, #37:
That sort comment of reminds me of a maturing teenager’s observation that his parents seem to be getting a little smarter. Who the hell has ever doubted that Islamic terrorists are Islamic? What’s absurd is the right’s childish determination that Obama should be made to say it. If they can only twist his arm hard enough, maybe he will.
As already explained to the point of tedium, there’s a very good reason why he’s not stating the obvious to your satisfaction, and it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with stubbornness . I think his frustration with people who are genuinely too dumb to get it—or who play too dumb to get it so they can stoke the anger of those who really are—is occasionally beginning to show.
@Nathan Blue, #39:
The problem is human beings. Over the course of history, neither religion has conferred immunity from doing evil on its adherents. Sometimes religion has even been an instrument people have used to justify the evil that they do. ISIS would be a specific and extreme example of that.
If you want to highlight that fact to Muslims, you don’t want to appear to be assuming a superior moral position as the representative of a Christian culture. If you adopt that patronizing tone, no one in the target audience will hear another word you say. Rather than driving a wedge between moderates and extremists, you will have just pushed them closer together.
Wanting to know a fuller truth of our nation’s history is not a symptom of hatred for it. The history I learned as a child growing up in the 1950s was decidedly Anglo-centric and sugar coated. I suppose that’s a privilege generally claimed by any successful wave of migratory invaders. There’s also a valid African-American history and a valid Native American history, not to mention an alternate history of Iberian migratory invaders who occupied South and Central America. A fuller truth incorporates a lot of differing viewpoints when talking about many of the same events, even though there’s only one set of underlying factual events.
Generally, America does a far better job of this than many other nations. Japan, for example, has left many painful facts out of the history lessons of post-war Japanese children. If a Japanese student wants to know the full truth of what their leaders brought about in the foreign lands that Japan invaded, they have to go looking for it.
Greg,
Your example of a Muslim slave sold to the Americas should come as no surprise to people who are aware of slavery inside Islam.
Most of the slaves Muslims own in countries where slavery is winked at (Mauitania, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Pakistan, etc.) are Muslims!
Poverty is institutionalized by Islam’s ban on borrowing money and paying back with interest.
So, people sell one (at a time) of their children to get out of dire circumstances over their lifetimes.
Only a few years ago the Saudis were uncovered as buying small Egyptian (Muslims boys) to become camel jockeys. These boys were starved and stunted with drugs. Their ”job” was so dangerous that is used to be considered the most dangerous job on earth. But slaves have no option to disobey.
Even when corraling black African slaves for sale, many are encouraged to convert to Islam so as to get slightly better treatment.
Also, a Muslim-converted slave has a chance of being freed someday while an infidel slave never has that option, so a lot of slaves of Muslims convert even nowadays.
@Greg: Greg, you fricking idiot! This is how you started the whole thread “Historians think that 20% to 30% of the African slaves brought to colonial and early America were Muslim. I guess that makes them part of the fabric of American history.”
YOU are the one still persisting that muslims were, are a part of the fabric of American history and should be recognized as such! ha ha I bet you are having a good laugh reading these replies seeing what you can stir up. Well, do not mistake the reactions you read here. This is simply evidence of the love some people have for the ideals of America and personal freedom, and their hatred of tyranny. We may not have a government willing to fight for us, but there are plenty who are willing to fight for themselves. You my sorry-ass friend, can speak your piece to the mooslims as they prepare to take your head. Then you can scream about how they are part of the fabric of America and see where that gets you. I’m out and done with you.
@Greg:
Who doubted it? That isn’t the question. The question is who denies or tries to mask the fact that it is Islamic. Perhaps we agree that doing so is ridiculous and stupid, but what remains as a fact is that Obama denies it.
So, here’s is the solution, the only one Obama, you and the rest of the denialists leave people of intelligence and common sense: whenever we discuss terrorism, it will simply be assumed to be radical Islamic terrorism since it is the most prevalent and reoccurring. When we want to discuss the scourge of radical Christian Fundamentalist terrorism, we can specify it as radical Christian Fundamentalist terrorism. All other terrorism will be assumed to be Islamic.
Well, Greg, since we are talking about what people are doing right now, today, it appears Christians have grown out of their nasty habit of beheading, burying alive, enslaving and raping. However, there seems to be one specific, identifiable group still doing it. Can you, for 50 points, identify that group, Greg?
Ah!
But the Koran was not ACCURATELY quoted.
It was ”picked and chosen” semi-quoted.
It was the JEWISH MISHNAH that was actually quoted!
Mishnah, IV Division 5:
The closest the Koran comes to this is this bloodthirsty verse:
Kind of a different thought without all the bold rest of the verse, huh?
Imam Sheikh Sa’ad Musse Roble, president of the World Peace Organization in Minneapolis, recited a “verse from the Koran” (OOPS! From the JEWISH Mishnah!)
What is their (Muslim) word for deception … taqiyya? In a public setting, put on a happy face! The goal is conquest and the game is war by another means.
An interesting and informative article: What ISIS Really Wants.
There will never be any reasoning with these people. Essentially, they’re precisely what the right imagines all Muslims to be.
@Greg:
Yes, Gullible Greggie, they are EXACTLY what most logical thinking people say they are, and yet, the man you come here to defend day after day, cannot acknowledge what they are; radical Islamists (Muslims).
Seems Obama has lost even the far left Atlantic.
@retire05, #49:
Given that the Republican Congressional majority’s response to the growing threat of ISIS might well be to allow the Department of Homeland Security’s funding lapse, I think I prefer to have a Democrat in the White House.
Meanwhile, you’re fixated on the fact that the Bozos you elected can’t seem to make Obama say “Islamic.” Perhaps you need to reexamine your priorities.
@Greg:
It’s up to the Democrats in the Senate, Greg. Apparently they care more about amnesty and Social Security cards for illegal immigrants than they do about Homeland Security. But that is a surprise to absolutely no one.