Every so often Boehner gets it right.
One of the many lies told by Obama last night during his SOTU address was this one:
Our diplomacy is at work with respect to Iran, where, for the first time in a decade, we’ve halted the progress of its nuclear program and reduced its stockpile of nuclear material. Between now and this spring, we have a chance to negotiate a comprehensive agreement that prevents a nuclear-armed Iran; secures America and our allies — including Israel; while avoiding yet another Middle East conflict. There are no guarantees that negotiations will succeed, and I keep all options on the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. But new sanctions passed by this Congress, at this moment in time, will all but guarantee that diplomacy fails — alienating America from its allies; and ensuring that Iran starts up its nuclear program again. It doesn’t make sense. That is why I will veto any new sanctions bill that threatens to undo this progress. The American people expect us to only go to war as a last resort, and I intend to stay true to that wisdom.
He hasn’t stopped anything. Instead he has retreated from sanctions while getting NOTHING in return.
Mark Dubowitz of Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a sanctions expert, said without equivocation: “The interim agreement has not ‘frozen’ or ‘halted’ Iran’s military-nuclear program. Following a strategy followed by then-chief nuclear negotiator Hassan Rouhani between 2003 and 2005, Tehran has suspended only aspects of the program that no longer need significant advancement, while working on aspects not yet mastered.” He adds, “This includes, among other areas, the development of long-range ballistic missiles capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and, most critically, Iranian stonewalling of the IAEA about possible military dimensions of Iran’s program.”
Josh Block, a long-time Democrat and CEO of the Israel Project, reiterated the two falsehoods Obama propounded. “For over a year the admin has claimed, falsely, that Iran’s nuclear program has been ‘frozen and their progress halted’ during the talks — talks we were told would only last 6 months, yet are now heading toward 19 months (June 30th),” he said via e-mail. “Far from being ‘halted,’ during the negotiations, Iran has enriched at least one more bomb’s worth of material, has advanced its plutonium track to 87% completion, and just, announced it will build 2 more nuclear facilities. Does that sound ‘frozen’ to you?” Block, like other outside Iran experts, also chastised the president for inferring that Congress was about to pass sanctions that would immediately go into effect, thereby thwarting the negotiations[.]
So what does Boehner do? Invite the Isreali Prime Minister to address a joint session of Congress describing just how evil this Iranian regime is.
Rebuffing President Barack Obama on Iran, House Speaker John Boehner said Wednesday he had invited Israel’s prime minister to address a joint meeting of Congress next month about the threats from Tehran and radical Islam.
The Republican leader released a letter extending the invitation to Benjamin Netanyahu for Feb. 11. Boehner also told a private meeting of GOP lawmakers that Congress would proceed on new penalties against Iran despite Obama’s warning that any legislation would scuttle diplomatic negotiations over the country’s nuclear program.
“You may have seen that on Friday, the president warned us not to move ahead with sanctions on Iran, a state sponsor of terror,” Boehner told colleagues, according to his office. “His exact message to us was: ‘Hold your fire.’ He expects us to stand idly by and do nothing while he cuts a bad deal with Iran.
“Two words: ‘Hell no!’ … We’re going to do no such thing,” the speaker said.
Brilliant. Not many times can I use that word to describe actions by Boehner but I will give him credit when it’s due.
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The approval poll numbers for congress are at 14%
Obama wants to freeze Israel out, officially, while behind the scenes he works to get Israeli intel so he can give it to our enemies.
Israeli spy satellites, overflying Iraq at angles and frequencies unavailable from US satellites, had provided images that allowed the Pentagon to “fill out its information.”
Somehow Israeli-supplied intelligence would reach the US partners such as Turkey, Iran and other Arab states via Obama’s underground railway.
Such information exposes Israel’s satellite’s paths as well as the level of the technology of their ability to see small things on the ground…..good to know if you need to hide stuff from the Israelis.
Yair Lapid, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet, said that Israel should “build a coalition of sanity” in which Israeli intelligence “is part of the regional effort” against Islamic State, Lebanon’s Hezbollah group and al-Qaida.
That sounds fine as long as it doesn’t get given in such a way as to make taking down Israeli spy satellites by some two-faced nations in the region.
@John: Congress’s approval means absolutely nothing.
Be fun to see Congress take unilateral action.
Must admit, when I first heard this early today, I was stunned and after exclaiming a, “Whaaaaattttt?” . . . . I gave Boehner a thumb up, . . . well, OK, two thumbs up. This is what should happen each day of the next two years. Hit, after hit, after hit.
Unleash the Kraken, and let the Soros/Jarrett/Obama triumvirate veto themselves into a stupor – the one-hour-plus of lies the Nation was treated to yesterday evening deserves nothing less.
We can look forward to an intelligent and cogent presentation on the Middle East, in the greatest Chamber, from someone who cares and who knows what he’s talking about.
@John: Luckily, approval numbers for congress mean nothing, nor have they ever. The dem base doesn’t vote outside of their celebrity presidents, so “approval” ratings are nothing more than dem/lib ploys to dupe the ignorant.
Like you.
Opinions vary: A nuclear agreement with Iran will make us safer. Peremptory demands from Congress won’t
What, exactly, does Boehner expect to accomplish by imposing new economic sanctions on Iran at this particular point in the negotiation process?
You impose new sanctions in response to a failure to comply with the terms of an ongoing negotiation, or failure to continue negotiations. You don’t impose new sanctions when negotiations are underway and progress is being made. Not unless your intention is to sabotage the entire process—a singularly stupid idea, when you consider the likely outcomes you’re left with. Basically, there are two: the necessity for direct military action, a course with unknown and potentially dangerous consequences; or Iran resuming its former course, and becoming a nuclear power. Is there some third possibility that I’m missing?
I don’t think this is about reaching an agreement with Iran. I think it’s about sabotaging the negotiating process and scoring points against Obama. What’s so brilliant about that? It seems to me more like the most recent example of seriously misplaced priorities.
@greg
Iran: only impose new sanctions in response to a failure to comply with the terms
What terms? Breaches of UN Resolutions? Here’s a few:
1) Launches of Shahab 1 and 3 missiles had contravened UN Resolution 1929 (2010).
2) Arms shipment to Yemen in breach of UN Resolution 1747 (2007).
3) A U.N. expert panel has concluded that a shipment of rockets and other weapons that was seized by Israel came from Iran and represents a violation of the U.N. arms embargo on Tehran (Jun 2014)
Iran has been violating terms of agreements for decades.
I think it’s about sabotaging the negotiating process
(Reuters) Sep 6, 2014 – Iran has failed to address concerns about suspected atomic bomb research by an agreed deadline, the U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Friday, a setback to hopes for an end to an international stand-off over Tehran’s atomic activity.
What’s so brilliant about that?
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Jan 2015), has also called for the continuation of the fight to destroy America, saying: “This battle will only end when the society can get rid of the oppressors’ front with America at the head of it … This requires a difficult and lengthy struggle and a need for great strides.”
@mossomo, #8:
The terms that the Obama administration are presently attempting to work out with the Iranians. They don’t yet exist. That’s why a negotiation is underway. That negotiation is taking place with motivating economic sanctions already in place.
So, here’s Congress, looking to destabilize the entire context of that discussion by engaging in some sort of pissing contest with the Obama administration. This creates an impression in Iran that they can’t have any certainty about the reliability of whatever terms they’re being offered. WTF is that about?
It’s not as if Congress in general or the Republican Party in particular have any authority to conduct such negotiations themselves. What they have—they specifically being the Senate—is Constitutional authority to approve or disapprove of any formal treaty that results. The conduct of diplomacy is an Executive Branch function.
It seems like the House might be attempting to expand the effects of being worse than useless into the area of foreign policy.
@Greg: You mean worse than this administration? Don’t know if that is possible. Do you think they will hire James Taylor to sing for Iran?
The main problem with Obama’s ”plan” to eventually get an agreement with Iran is that Iran has not got the same thinking about mass killings to get its ultimate aims achieved.
The Ayatollahs are believers in that ”6th Imam” garbage.
As such they NEED chaos to get the 6th Imam to come back to earth and rule.
What better than a bomb going off.
A big bomb.
As Muslims, the leaders of Iran (not the little powerless people there) also believe that dead Muslims go to paradise, so, no biggie if a bunch of them die.
Every day Obama plays this game with the Ayatollah is another day Iran is closer to a bomb they can deliver on, say, Israel.
Since Iran is only one of many failed Islamic states that has scapegoated Israel for their own failings, Israel is the perfect close-at-hand target.
But, the USA is Islam’s other scapegoat.
The Police had a song decades ago called Russians.
It had these words:
And the Russians did love their children enough to not start WWIII.
Muslims, especially those religious fanatical leaders in Iran, not so much.*
@Greg:
What do you think the “nuclear agreement” with Iran supposed to do? It’s not to keep Iran from getting a nuke, which if you’ll remember, Obama promised to do.
Petty and vindictive Obama has ”leaked” a phony story supposedly from some un-named person in supposedly somewhere in Mossad.
But Mossad is only in charge of human intelligence gathering, not all the other intelligence gathering methods any country has (such as electronic, satellite imaging, etc etc). Mossad couldn’t possibly have a definitive opinion on this matter.
One source of this ”story.”
@John: Remember, half of that is Democrat and that number is based on when the Democrats held the Senate. So, immaterial.
@Greg: What exactly to you suppose Iran was trying to say by approving a military agreement with Russia? All the progress being made is by Iran. Nuclear weapons are only an effective defense; what is Iran defending, besides its nuclear program? Iran makes every indication that they would possibly USE a nuclear weapon on Israel. Obama stated he would NEVER allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapon. What progress, exactly, is being made there, Greg?
Here’s the bottom line. The other night we suffered through another hour or so of open lies and belligerency courtesy of the traitor in the White House. Whether the Gregs of the world want to admit it or not, Iran has not and will not live up to any agreement or what not. The fact that this treasonous S.O.B. is hell bent to give Iran enough time to finish their bomb is self evident. As the President is a proven liar of major proportions, one can also conclude he is not much of a leader in any form.
Iran, as has N. Korea will continue to do what they want. knowing full well they have an ally in Obama. Like it or not, that is the only conclusion one can draw from this. And as for Obama’s “negotiations”? What has he really managed to accomplish world wide other than to cede our leadership of the world to the scum that wants to destroy Western civilization as we know it, Iran being a front runner as to that.
Inviting Bibi is not only brilliant, but in fact realistic. Israel has lived under these threats from the Islamists far to long (as well as the rest of the millions of Jew haters that are once again rearing their ugly heads, Obama at the front end of that parade also)! What he has been saying as to the reality if the Islamist and Mid East in general needs to be said over and over until it finally gets through the thick heads of the morons who refuse to see their very existence being put in danger.
Kudos to Boehner! At least it looks like he has finally grown a pair. The fact that the White House is squealing like a stuck pig in itself is gleeful enough. But one should not make the mistake of listening to the “lack of protocal” B.S.! Last time I looked, the THREE SEPERATE branches of government in our country are not required to ask the permission of a clotheless emperor as to what and how they conduct their business. If they want to invite someone without Obama’s blessing, that’s just to damn bad! Get over it Barak!
Hopefully as this goes on, as you continue to tell the American people in general to F… Off!, the members of the House and Senate will continue to grow bigger ones and in turn symbolically keep bitch slapping you until either you are gone or you suddenly realize you are supposed to be the President of this country!
I am so looking forward to Bibi’s speech to our nation! Do we really care about real leadership anymore in this country? Think of that as you watch a real leader speak and then ask yourself why one would even want to follow the traitor that is Barak Obama!
This is unexpected.
Bloomberg: The Israeli intelligence agency Mossad has broken ranks with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, telling U.S. officials and lawmakers that a new Iran sanctions bill in the U.S. Congress would tank the Iran nuclear negotiations.
@Nanny : #11
Nan, when I first heard of that strategy from an Iranian friend many years ago, it made many things about the ruling Ayatollahs fall into place.
Ahmadinejad, when on his way up the ladder, had forced families to pick one child that would be used to sweep the minefields. The explanation was that while mules had been used in the past, one blast would scatter ALL mules. Young children could be counted on to hold hands and continue walking, even after many were killed by exploding land-mines.
You cannot find anything sicker than that in humanity.
There is No Negotiating with this level of insane mindset.
@joetote, #15:
The “bottom line” is that if diplomacy fails, we’ll either see Iran become a another nuclear power in a highly volatile region, or we’ll wind up going to war with Iran in an effort to prevent it.
That’s a war we sure as hell don’t need at the moment. Shall I tick off the reasons? Even though they should be obvious enough for anyone to see them already? Please consider:
Iran has a large, well-trained, and well equipped standing army, as well as large reserves and paramilitary forces. Iran would be no pushover. It could be a very expensive war, both in terms of lives and dollars. While I hope we would try it, any effort to narrowly confine military action specifically to Iran’s nuclear infrastructure probably would have a low probability of success, and a very high probability of escalating. There’s a high risk we’d be drawn into a regional catastrophe in a series of quick steps;
Iran is presently at war with ISIL. It’s often counterproductive to attack your own enemy’s enemy. For example, the Saddam Hussein dictatorship was an effective foil against Iran, and was also keeping a tight lid on competing Islamic extremism;
Iran is aligned with Russia. It’s possible—though unlikely—that Russia would come to Iran’s aid in any direct way. What Russia would most likely do is aid Iran indirectly, while taking advantage of our distraction to pursue it’s own ambitions. It would be an excellent opportunity for them to move into Ukraine:
Then there’s North Korea. Those guys would most likely recognize and take full advantage of the opportunity to assert themselves. We’ve got obligations to South Korea.
So… Why the hell are House republicans pushing themselves into this dangerous situation like a bull into a china shop at precisely the wrong moment?
They should be confining themselves to quietly making their thoughts known to the Executive Branch behind closed doors, while giving the Obama administration room to maneuver during a few additional months of discussion with the Iranians. That’s the responsible course. Instead, they’re busily setting up their circus tents again, this time in the House rather than the Senate, with Benjamin Netanyahu signed on for the opening act.
It would seem that the spam filter is presently zeroing in on my comments. I won’t try to reconstruct that last one, the gist of which was that republicans shouldn’t be attempting to scuttle the diplomatic process, because the alternatives we’d then be left with aren’t really something any reasonable person would want to have to deal with. That’s perfectly clear to me. I don’t know why it isn’t perfectly clear to everyone else.
As I’m sure we all know, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hasn’t held office in Iran since August 2013. He has lost much of his political support. His vice president, Mohammad Reza Rahimi, was just sentenced to a 5-year prison term.
Hassan Rouhani, Ahmadinejad’s successor, is considered to be more progressive and practical (relatively speaking). He’s someone that there’s more hope of reasoning with.
If Iran is hell bent on getting atomic weapons then maybe in the spirit of cooperation we could share some of our technology with Iran in strategically important locations… Just sayin
@Greg:
Apology here! I’m long winded again, but I’m sick and tired of of the idiocy that is being put forth by those who for whatever reason worship this President and his leftist brain dead policies. Like i said below, I know I get of on rants but this really does raise my hackles!
Greg,
Reason with this! Diplomacy doesn’t mean diddly squat when negotiating with madmen! Furthermore, its about time anyone in D.C grew some brass balls and stood up to not only the faction of the world that wants to “kill the infidels (that includes all of the leftist idiots here who refuse to face reality), which putting it in terms that even brain dead appeasers will understand means they want to kill you to!
“So… Why the hell are House republicans pushing themselves into this dangerous situation like a bull into a china shop at precisely the wrong moment? ”
Wrong moment my ass! My question would be why in the hell haven’t they interceded sooner? The situation is dangerous not because of the House Republicans you and some many others choose to vilify and label as non relevant. The situation is as it is because your so called leader has chosen to abrogate his responsibilities not only to our country but as leader of the free world! Maybe the adults have finally had enough and have decided to stop the idiocy that is this President and his policies!
One other thing. Congress does not answer to the President. They answer to the people. Congress does not have to stick their heads up the President’s ass and ask permission to do anything. Congress has the right (up to now they haven’t had the balls to act on anything as let’s be real, most of the entrenched political scum in D.C. don’t really give a damn about anything but power) to intercede, voice their objections and furthermore stand against any unlawful or treasonous actions by any President or part of his administration. Now of course, we have to take into account a Justice Department headed by nothing more that a Racist disciple of the traitorous vermin that is Barak Obama and as such cannot expect any action from them, although they are supposed to uphold our laws!
Congress should not ” confine themselves to quietly making their thoughts known to the Executive Branch behind closed doors”! Oh wait, I forgot! No one has the right to question the Moron in Chief!
I suppose next you’ll tell us, the spokesperson for the State Department who snidely told an AP reporter yesterday that ( I apologize hear. I actually saw it on the news last night, and I have to fine the exact words, but it went something like this) “As an AP reporter, We don’t know what we’re doing, and neither do you, so refrain from speculating about it.
Think about that. a spokesperson for this administration in effect told a reporter they had no right to question or speculate as to the deadly fiasco that is headed for us as to Yemen and worse! And you in your ” I worship Obama so all others are wrong) way have the utter gall to say that our elected representatives do not have the right to question the policies of a complete idiot as to foreign policy? give me a break.
As James Raider says above:
“You cannot find anything sicker than that in humanity.
There is No Negotiating with this level of insane mindset”.
The sad fact is that our President and his followers refuse to see the reality.
Greg, you and others by now know I won’t pull punches. I’m crass and sometimes brutal in how I put things. My wife says I don’t suffer fools lightly but she’s actually of the mark a bit. In my view, anyone who defends this President and his policies is a fool or worse! Anyone who refuses to see that Iran is just buying time to finish their bomb is nuts. Anyone who cannot and will not see the open hatred for not only Israel, but for the West in general as to Iran and the rest of these Islamic Radicals is beyond help in my view. And anyone who refuses to learn the lessons of history, who is willing to “negotiate” while the world burns around them (let’s never forget the Chaimberlains of the world), and worse , one who is willing to give up their rights to Free Speech and expression as well as discourage our elected leaders from standing up to a rogue leader only deserves my scorn.
@Nanny:
Petty and vindictive Obama has ”leaked” a phony story supposedly from some un-named person in supposedly somewhere in Mossad.
Successful false flag. Tricked me for a day. I would imagine many aren’t going to learn this was a lie.
Arutz Sheva:Fury in Israel Over Obama’s Mossad ‘Lies’
Senior Israeli says ‘friends don’t act like this’ after Mossad Head denies US claim that he opposed Iran sanctions in talk with senators.
I thought of something I haven’t heard yet. Maybe the reason for the invitation is to get an honest and truthful evaluation from someone who is close and has solid intelligence services in place to find out what is actually going on in Iran and the rest of the Middle East. We all know we won’t get an honest evaluation from the current executive branch about anything from the color of the sky to the political climate in the Middle East to the security of our Southern Border.
It might be as simple as that, an honest evaluation of the situation.
What I find frustrating regarding the proposed Kirk-Menendez sanctions is the fact nothing happens if a deal is reached by the June 30 deadline.
Obama is on record, “If Iran does not fully meet its commitments during this six-month phase,” he said the first time negotiations were extended over a year ago, “we will turn off the relief, and ratchet up the pressure.”
Now that there is a proposed bipartisan bill that would legislate Obama’s threat, he balks (another expired talking point).
Good on Boehner for getting the threat that Iran poses back into the narrative. The only people who believe a deal will be met are the same people who believed in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate. Those weekly chants of “Death to America” at the close of Friday prayers mean something and to think Iran will make peace with the “Great Enemy” shows a bit of naivety.
Ooh! The little boy in the White House is in a snit because Bibi dares to respond to an invite from Congress. Blow it out your you know what Barak. Since when do you even care about “normal behavior” unless it is in bowing to your sorry butt?
Note Below: Bibi should remember they’ll be a price because Obama will be President for another year or so? Moron Alert! There has been a price ever since this Anti-Jewish, Pro Muslim idiot got elected and that price has been to try and undercut Israel at every turn.
And people wonder how any normal thinking person can only hold this clown of a President in utter
disdain! Amazing! Bibi has been all but tarred and feathered by this Presdient and he should worry that crybaby Obama feels like he was bitch slapped?
Via Times of Israel:
The White House’s outrage over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s plan to speak before Congress in March — a move he failed to coordinate with the administration — began to seep through the diplomatic cracks on Friday, with officials telling Haaretz the Israeli leader had “spat” in President Barack Obama’s face.
“We thought we’ve seen everything,” the newspaper quoted an unnamed senior US official as saying. “But Bibi managed to surprise even us.”
“There are things you simply don’t do. He spat in our face publicly and that’s no way to behave. Netanyahu ought to remember that President Obama has a year and a half left to his presidency, and that there will be a price,” he said.
@joetote, #22:
Maybe it would have helped if I’d presented the possible outcomes of a failed negotiation with Iran as a flow chart. Some people seem to do better with pictures better than words.
Even if chances of a successful negotiation were 25 percent, or only a meager 10 percent, we would still be crazy not to exhaust that possibility. The reasoning is simple:
We risk nothing by giving negotiations a few months to play out, because Iran is certainly more than a few months away from producing the enriched uranium necessary to build a weapon;
We risk total disaster if negotiations fail, because failure will result either in Iran becoming a nuclear power, or in escalating military actions to stop them. Surely people can understand the seriously negative outcomes that could easily result from war with Iran.
No one on the right seems to want to think about any of this. They just blink and then fixate on their standard Obama this, Obama that, You’re an idiot if you support Obama rubbish. It’s always the same thing, regardless of the topic at hand. Nothing seems to snap them out of it.
This is how nations get into disastrous wars that have no clear end point and leave behind a bigger problem than we started with. I don’t think we need another one of those right now. We don’t need the enormous expenses, the cost in American lives, or the distraction and strain on our military when we know damn well that Russia and North Korea are poised to act out. Not to mention China, that simply watches and waits with great patience, seeing no need to directly confront a great world power that seems intent on bringing itself down through its own ill-considered actions.
The new Congress is charging right in there, before they’ve even got their desk drawers organized and their pencils sharpened, enthusiastic to go after their primary enemy—that apparently being the President of their own nation. I’m really beginning to think these people may have their priorities so screwed up that it’s the functional equivalent of being totally crazy. They aren’t asking themselves where their actions could lead, except in terms of their battle with Obama.
@Greg: Greggie, if inviting one of our strongest allies in the region to our country deflates negotiations then they weren’t real in the first place!! Will the US let Iran tell the US who and when other leaders can visit?? President Obola leans towards Muslims and away from Israel!! Why??
@Common Sense, #28:
They’re giving Netanyahu an international spotlight on the floor of the U.S. Congress, allowing him to affect international perceptions of U.S. foreign policy at a critical moment in a negotiating process. Netanyahu’s agenda is an Israeli agenda, not a U.S. agenda. The two may often be complementary, but they are not identical. Republicans have deliberately created a situation that obliges Obama to decline to meet with Netanyahu, lest he reinforce the international perception that he endorses whatever Netanyahu says. Do they think that’s helpful to Israel? Actually, they don’t care about that, or they’re too stupid to have thought about it.
Netanyahu turned up in Paris after the President of France requested that he forgo the visit for similar reasons. His visit did, in fact, raise tensions that François Hollande was working hard to try to lower. That’s probably what gave some genius on the GOP side of the aisle the bright idea.
There will be political payback. That seems to be the only thing Congressional republicans understand.
P.S. Has nobody told you that the U.S. ebola epidemic the right was predicting before the elections turned into another bust? Please add it to the long list of bogus predictions, which includes the imposition of martial law, the cancellation of elections, the confiscation of firearms, Obamacare’s destruction of 2 million jobs, etc, etc.
P.P.S. I’m getting tired of looking at the ridiculous photo of John Boehner doing his Little Jack Horner impersonation. I’m also getting tired of the fact that he generally looks like he’s had one too many glasses of something.
@Greg: The only reason this visit should cause any problems is if our thin skinned Muslim sympathizer you call President has a cow over it!! Of course he did as expected. Kind of like how you take every opportunity to blame all Republicans especially past Republican Presidents and leaders of our Legislature for everything President Obola has failed to deliver on. I said, if our longest standing ally in the Middle East is invited to our country to address our Legislature and it destroys a deal that NO one knows about anyway then there was NEVER a chance of a deal anyway!! Need I remind you that there are three branches of our government of which Republicans control as much as our President. Thanks to his failures!!
Republicans are using Netanyaho as a political tool, to get at Obama. Netanyaho will use their invitation as an opportunity to promote an Israeli hard line and to antagonize Iran. The consequences will be an increased likelihood that efforts to curtail Iran’s nuclear ambitions diplomatically—already a very difficult proposition—will fail. The results of such a failure (refer to post #18.) could be enormously damaging to the United States.
Put that in context of the fact that there was no logical reason for Congress not to have simply waited, giving time for diplomacy to either fail or succeed.
They’re either too stupid to figure this simple situation out, or too irresponsible to care. Take your pick. Netanyaho is simply being Netanyaho.
@Randy:
Is that the ‘Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran” song he made famous?
@Greg:
And Obozo is using liberals as political fools.
Does anyone know if this will be on C-span or any channels ???
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It will probably be on CNN. They’re smart enough to know what the significance of the speech could be. FOX will probably carry it because they’ll think it’s a victory in their anti-Obama campaign. Any subsequent coverage of the bombing of Iran will likely be on all networks, as will be coverage of the chaos that follows.
@Greg: Greggie, the stupidity is flaming radical liberals like you and President Obola who get your panties in a wad over this. Sense when does Iran dictate to the US who to invite to our country?? As far as bombings, this will likely happen because President Obola has proven he doesn’t really care who comes into our country and if they are here legally or illegally!! Yes CNN and FOX will carry this for certain. America needs to understand what a threat Iran is to the world and President Obola will never allow it!! Thanks God he isn’t a dictator and thanks to his failed policies Republicans control the House and the Senate!! There is NO deal with Iran and the sanctions are clearly working!!
You do realize that the entire point of sanctions is to bring people to the negotiating table, don’t you? And that wars between nations are generally the result of the failure of diplomacy?
@Greg:
I’d say that generality is 100% BS. I’d say that wars are political and economical. Do you think the US and Germany had ‘diplomatic talks” ? Do you think the WWII was a result of talks or of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? If you believe it was the failure of diplomacy, then it’s safe to say you don’t have a clue.
I think who is without a clue is pretty much obvious to anyone who has one.
Unless someone has an intelligent response to what was pointed out in #18, I have nothing further to add.
@Greg:
I notice you didn’t make the claim that WWII was ‘diplomacy’ failures. It sure didn’t take you long to abandon this statement:
To anyone that would say, in 18:
That thinks 19 months is ‘a few additional’ months, there can be no intelligent discussion.
You’re still dodging the points made in #18 completely.
@Greg:
Because they’re are none. You’re a biased, leftist supporter, and nothing you say has a shred of objectivity.
Checks and balances. The check against a media-engineered demagogue voted in by the young and poor is a congress voted in by the mature and those with assets to loose. Obama does not get a blank check to do whatever the f*ck he likes because he won…twice. Congress’s actions are commensurate with a responsible body of politicians voted in by a responsible electorate. Deal with it. Obama and the dems steamrolled the reps in 2008 with Obamacare and the like. Payback is a bitch, and no….they are not being petty while America is suffering for their vindictiveness (a very stupid point, so don’t bother trying to make it). They are doing what they think is right, just like Obama. Go back to middle school government, because you don’t understand US gov and law.
Obama’s foreign policy has been a disaster, whether you like him or not, whether you voted for him or not.
If you have nothing else to say, please…by all means…stop saying it.
You have your identity wrapped up in Obama and you desperately need reality to support this cognitive crutch. You’re no better than a fundamentalist Christian. You simply want your way, now, and facts be damned. You’ll rationalize anything to support you own narrative of Obama’s elections being something more than mass psychosis of the weak.
Congress won. Rightly, they are trying to govern since we have “an empty chair” as Eastwood famously depicted.
Get over it.
@Greg:
You think there was a point made in #18?
Do you think this is a point?
You’re saying the Republicans should keep their mouths shut while Obama gives the Iranians time to get their weapons completed. Well, if the goal is to allow Iran to get nuclear weapons without any resistance from the US, then, yes, you have a point.
According to the way the US constitution works, Obozo can make no treaty(agreement) with Iran without Congressional approval, so they should be included in all talks and actions involving Iran, not sit idly by and let Obozo give away the country store.
You have any actual points?
The points made in #18 would be paragraphs 3 through 6, which are being totally ignored. Paragraph 8 is what is generally known as an opinion.
@Greg:
Israel has been an American ally since its inception. A visit from the Israeli Prime Minister would suddenly antagonize the Iranians? Perhaps Obama should be antagonized that Iran has recently turned to Russia for a military alliance (provided he is even aware of it yet).
The moment Obama pulled sanctions from Iran in exchange for a promise to promise to promise to talk, the effect of sanctions was lost. We can reimpose them, but since, obviously, the Iranians are much smarter and more determined than our “leadership”, they have been stocking up and preparing for sanctions and it will, again, take years and years before they have the effect to force them back to the negotiating table.
No one takes the United States, under liberal leadership, seriously or fears our reaction. Even our friends can look at Iraq, Afghanistan and now Yemen and see how we talk big but use their countries as mere political props. After Obama abandoned Dr. Shakil Afridi to a Pakistani prison, how many Muslims will risk their necks to help us? After Obama bailed out on Iraq without leaving forces behind for security, how many countries will support us? After Obama touted Yemen as an outstanding US success, then ignored it as Islamic extremists took over, how many other nations will allow us to fight terror in their country with their blessings?
Don’t worry about anyone damaging Obama’s “diplomatic” efforts… there is none. His diplomacy is having discussions to understand fully what the other party demands, then giving it all to them with no return. Iraq, Syria, Bergdahl, Cuba, Polish/Czech missile defense and now the Iranian nuclear program; all glaring examples of Obama being more than willing to do what a po-dunk enemy demands, just to clear his blotter.
Somebody in the US government needs to show our friends and the world that we respect our allies. Obama certainly won’t.
@Redteam:
That’s because WWII was the result of a diplomacy failure exactly like what Obama is trying to do now; appease a determined and ravenous enemy.
@Bill:
Long winded again. Sorry!
“That’s because WWII was the result of a diplomacy failure exactly like what Obama is trying to do now; appease a determined and ravenous enemy”.
One difference here. Chaimberlain was not a man who was actively engaging in actions to help solidify the madman in Germany. He was just a naive idiot who was stupid enough to put his trust in a known madman’s word. At least he loved his country! And from what I can tell, he felt he was supporting his allies in hopefully in his mind defusing a bad situation. Of course, as history teaches, he in effect lit the fuse by ceding the upper ground to a madman.
The case has been made by folks far more knowledgeable than me that Obama is on the same level as Chaimberlain and there I disagree. Obama is the gift that keeps giving to the radical Islamists and to an Iranian government that is hell bent on developing the means to eradicate Israel and worse. Before he came into office, Obama had made his feelings as to Israel quite clear. His hatred for Bibi and worse for Israel itself is quite evident. In a post on this site a couple weeks ago, I once again mentioned the pure evil hatred one can see in Obama’s eyes when the subject of Bibi and Israel comes up. That hate is real and his actions prove it!
One can make all the arguments they want as to “let the negotiations work their way to an end” but facts are still facts. The best 2 arguments against that are Iran and N. Korea for starters. Both countries “promised in negotiations” to in effect become responsible citizens of the world. Yet in every case, they were breaking those sham agreements before they were even signed and kept right on doing it. Korea got the bomb because the West put their heads up their collective asses ignoring the realities of the situation.
Now we have a carbon copy of this with Iran, but in this case, we have a President and his moronic lackeys actively promoting the same policies that have failed far to many times in the past. The difference this time however is as I state earlier. This President “stands with his Muslim brothers” as he said he would in his own words. His hatred for Israel and worse his own country as to its basic ideals and tenets is evident and out in the open for all to see.
One other thing here as to Greg and his “Republicans are using Netanyahu as a political tool, to get at Obama” remark.
Greggie, I have seen you put up what in my mind are far to many asinine statements and I realize you actually believe in the tripe you publish and that’s fine. I only wish you would use your own mind rather than just keep trumpeting the left’s worn out talking points and message.
Most of the people that frequent this site are folks who can see both sides of an issue and can actually be persuaded to change their minds if they are proven wrong. And I have seen many folks here openly savage our leaders on the right just as they do those on the left if they disagree with their policies and actions (or lack of actions as to the ball less Republicans up to now).
At this moment, I am prepared to say that the statement you made above could very well be the most moronic I’ve seen since I started frequenting this site. Bibi is not and will never be a political tool. Furthermore, one does not need a foreign leader to make the case that Obama is a traitorous moron or worse. He does that for himself quite well.
There are “tools” as you put them though as to the political arena and worse. They are the mind dead morons who “spout their beloved leaders lies and deceptions over and over until they themselves believe it and close their eyes to the reality that is the world in general (again, I can point to examples as to both sides as to this remark in various issues) . If it doesn’t fit their narrative, it is wrong and the hell with what the rest of the world thinks and you my friend are right at that top of that list. That is your right and more power to you. But don’t expect those of us who hopefully can still reason for ourselves based on hopefully all the facts to get on your bandwagon.
Wrapping up. The facts are clear as to the damage this President has done to this country and the stability of the world in general. The Radical Islamists have been given tacit permission by our Muslim loving leader to proceed in any way they want. Iran has been told they will get enough time to finish their development of the bomb and even now this President and his morons refuse to identify Radical Islamism as the problem that it is.
As i said earlier in the thread. Kudos to Boehner! Not only did he issue a symbolic bitch slap to Obama, one that is well warranted, but he finally showed some cajones. In inviting Bibi to speak, he in turn pulled out a reaction form the White House that once again shows a little bully who got his hand slapped having a hissy fit.
In the meantime as I also said, we at least get to see and hear from a real leader. Until one lives under what Israel goes through every day and seeing what is going on all over as to the cancer that is Radical Islamism combined with the policies of a self avowed Muslim supporter, it will be refreshing to listen to Bibi (a war hero in his own right by the way, something Obama wouldn’t know about). Bibi has lived it and although Obama, his Muslim leaning U.N. friends and worse disagree with him, his views are the reality that is Radical Islamism.
@Bill:
You’re absolutely wrong Bill about WWII, but completely correct that Obama is doing all he can to destroy the US and relationships with it’s allies. There were no diplomatic efforts going on back in the late 30’s that would prevent WWII. The entire intent of Hitler becoming chancellor was not diplomacy, it was world domination. Exactly what diplomacy do you think was taking place that would have prevented Pearl Harbor? No diplomacy is going to stop Iran either. So it won’t be a failure of diplomacy, it will be a failure of action, by the USA. All we have to do is tell Iran to stop developing the bomb, or we will stop the development of their bomb. Leave the decision to them.
@joetote: well written Joe,
nails Greg quite well, though he won’t realize it. Greg lost his thinking ability some time ago. There are others on the site that seem to mean well, but have had a thorough indoctrination by America Haters and can’t see around or through them. Obama has said he is Muslim, he has said he would stand with his Muslim brothers. What does it take? He fully intends to leave the country in an almost defenseless position when he leaves office. He has now let Yemen (where he recently deported several Gtmo detainees to) become an Islamist terrorist state, controlling the entrance to the Red Sea. See how that come back to bite us in the butt.
But for those, as was said by a famous person, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”
@joetote:
You are correct. Part of the reason Hitler was appeased was because the democracies were very concerned about the Communist threat from Russia and they viewed Hitler as a check to Communist expansion. Given how many people Lenin and Stalin killed and the fact that Marxist doctrine preached world wide revolution, they had every reason to be concerned. There is nothing comparable today that can be used to justify appeasing radical Islam.
@another+vet:
So true, but Obama has no problem doing so with the blessings of the Dimocrats.