How Obama Enabled The Russian Seizure Of Eastern Europe

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Our president promised us skyrocketing energy prices and a new era of “Green Energy”. So far, he has been able to deliver an ever-increasing price for energy, and with the crisis in Eastern Europe, we can anticipate a continuing rise in energy prices. In an administration known almost exclusively for corruption and for its ability to lie, it is at least reassuring to see a “smidgen” of truthfulness.

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However, it’s Obama’s combination of national self-defeatism as an energy policy and of enabling our enemies that has become more bizarre with the passage of time. His refusal to allow drilling on public lands prevents Americans from participating in the current energy bonanza and allows the Communist countries to accumulate the energy wealth. Our sanctions are impotent compared to the power that could be exerted by increasing our natural gas exports to Europe, natural gas that is still under the ground. Thus America’s once-great wealth and political leverage (of the type needed to slow down the military might of Russia) is being pissed-away while Obama looks through the rose-tinted glasses of green energy idealism, or is their a more sinister reason for this destruction of America’s economy and the granting of untold wealth for our former enemies who are now once-again assuming the stance of belligerents.

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Russia provides natural gas to Europe, it is a main source of Russia’s wealth and helps finance these military excursions into Europe. When you control one of the main sources of a continent’s energy you have the edge, especially when winter is only six months away and the world has just experienced a record cold winter, there is an obvious advantage over people. The Europeans don’t want to think about Russia shutting of their natural gas during these winters if global warming’s discontent. If only we would have sacrificed more of our energy production to the world and let Russia and China control even more energy wealth, we would not be experiencing these drastic global warming winters.

When Obama promised the Russians a greater flexibility after the 2012 elections, his energy policy was already in place.

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The same energy policy that gives Russia the upper hand by controlling Europe’s major source of natural gas. If we were exporting our untapped natural gas reserves instead of broiling birds in mid-air, we would have a means of controlling the threat of Russia’s domination of Europe; since, natural gas export is one of Russia’s main revenue producing sources. Thus our sacrificial willingness to impair our economy and allow the Russians to reap the bounty of America’s stupidity, is facilitating Russia’s annexation of Eastern Europe in the name of saving the world from Anthropogenic Global Warming. Unfortunately, Obama’s plan does nothing for the cause of global warming, but it does redistribute America’s wealth to our enemies, the same enemies who once respected us as a formidable power in the world.

Now, while our leaders agonize over issues like gay marriage and amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, our president assures us that his sanctions will make Russia come to its senses and pull back the tanks, jets, and troops massed on the Eastern border of Europe. Yet, Russia knows our fiscal resources are drained, our military is reduced and focused on gay equality, and Americans are war weary after winning two wars and having Obama piss-away hard fought victories. They also know, Obama has promised them a greater flexibility in regard to their nationalistic endeavors. The road to Russian supremacy has been cleared by our regime; they would be stupid not to exploit the opportunity of Obama’s passivity and weakness.

While China builds its carriers, we wait for their nationalistic desires to become apparent. Hopefully, by then, we will have appeased the gay community and arranged for our children to be indoctrinated by gay promotion throughout their education, and we can finally say, we no longer care if Democrats vote for dead people and it is discriminatory against those who commit voter fraud to be required to show a voter ID; perhaps then, we can prepare for WW III, the inevitable war that is just beyond the horizon.

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Skook,

I have not yet been able to determine if all of what you mention is a methodical plan by the real leaders of this administration (Jarrett, Holder), and Obama is a willing pawn, or if Obama is the real agent behind all these decisions and he was smart enough to appoint the right people to get these plans effected.

Either way, we the people are being sold down the river.

Skookum by far the biggest electricity costs in the last 15 years occurred under Bush if you had bothered to post a graph everyone would have been able to see that
Perhaps your great military mind forgot that Russia holds a trump card in that Russia is the only way out of Afghanistan our troops there and the 1/2 million tons of gear have now become Outpost Hostage
As far as Obama ” losing” 2 wars that is a joke. Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq on the SOFA that Bush was forced to sign. Afghanistan ??? Please tell us all when THAT clustetf*ck was won.
Please tell us how long you think we should have stayed over there. Please factor in the fact that newly mustered out vets are claiming permanent disability at a rate of 45%
As far as that rancher is concerned he seems like one of those socialism for me but not for thee types. Wants to graze on public lands but no longer wants to pay his fee. Sort of like dessert farmers who complain about the costs of their socialist supplied water

It also seems like the first people to advocate for military action are the people who never saw what war is really like. In all recent wars civilians bear the brunt of casualties. Skook did you ever see any war ?

@John: Skookum by far the biggest electricity costs in the last 15 years occurred under Bush if you had bothered to post a graph everyone would have been able to see that.

You are probably correct, John.
How did that happen?
Bush fought for more energy plants all over the USA, more energy sources, too.
But, at every turn, the Democrat controlled legislature dragged its feet.
Also, ”green” groups demanded more and more studies before additions or upgrades to our energy grid be added.
Meanwhile our population grew and energy became more expensive because it was becoming more scarce.
Despite all Obama’s attempts, gas and oil production (at least) has grown during his Administration.
When he wants to tout ”accomplishments,” he sometimes even takes credit for that fact although all of it happened on private lands and over his dead body, as it were.

So, what does Obama plan IF Putin moves on more of Eastern Europe?
Samantha Power tells us:

“Do we believe that Vladimir Putin wants the eastern Ukraine?” Stephanopolous asked Power.

“Actions that he is undertaking certainly give credence to that idea,” Power said.

She added that if “actions like those that we’ve seen over the past few days continue,” the U.S. will consider a “ramping up of sanctions.”

Pretty pathetic.
Really next to nothing.
Evidence of collusion?
Nearly.

@John: You’re a coward because you step around a point without actually committing to one in particular. That is the issue the article speaks of: weakness born of lack of values, lack of honor, and lack ideals.

I’d ask if you’ve seen war yourself, but I don’t care. If you have, any maturity you may have gained from the experience was lost on you.

The above article is concerned with a growing military presence from nations that could very easily become our enemies: real, overt enemies. Respect for the USA (not “like” or “favor”, rather knowing that certain antagonistic actions would not be tolerated) is no longer there, and we’re seeing further boldness from nations with questionable goals and questionable cultural morals.

Stand for something, or go fade into the background of pop culture. Stop pissing around the point like you are viable man of action with a mature and respectable position on anything our community at large needs.

@Skook:

The militarization of agriculture for Monsanto…

Same thing happening in Ukraine… but the Russians have real soldiers on the border and no gay pride marches in their army.

Imagine that…

Talk about enabling. Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt together with funding from George Soros were deeply involved in fomenting the demonstrations and ultimate overthrow of Yanukovych. Remember that Nuland was recorded as saying “F___ the EU” when the Europeans urged caution. (I am not saying Yanukovych was a good guy. I am simply pointing out that Democratic Party activists were heavily involved in fomenting the street demonstrations and they must have had the administration’s blessing.)

The Administration was extremely naive in this. Ukraine is clearly within the Russian sphere of influence and having NATO on Russia’s borders, let alone in Crimea was unacceptable from a Russian perspective. It would be the same as having Russia take over Mexico. The US would not tolerate such a threat. I have many Russian friends – that is Russians who have immigrated here and are now Americans. To a person they think that Obama has been foolish in stirring up this hornet’s nest and that respecting Russian interests is central to getting along with Russia regardless of who is in charge there. To a person they believe that Russia would have gone to war if NATO were present in Crimea, Russia’s only warm water port.

This mess is typical of this administration. Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood with many millions of dollars in the Egyptian election (and with Democratic Party operatives) was a huge mistake. Belief in the Arab Spring was an act of foolishness. Leading from behind in Libya. Dithering in Syria with red lines that mean nothing, calling for Asad’s removal and then standing on our hands when he calls our bluff. Not to mention the “reset” by Hillary, the unaccomplished. All of these stumbles and bumbles have made the world a much more dangerous place. You can’t meddle in a swarm of bees unless you are going to take them on and we don’t have the stomach for more wars. Ideology has consistently trumped real-politic in this administration’s foreign policy and it has been a complete failure.

Disturber

As I have mentioned different times: Let’s look at today’s circumstances a little differently. PRETEND that George Soros and other socialists that are really controlling obama, want the USA turned into a socialist country. If that would be the case, does what is going on around the world make since?

Remember when obama said he would use EMBARRASSMENT to get rid of the nuclear weapons around the world, then the other nuclear countries would be EMBARRASSED and reduce theirs? How has that weapon worked for us? More countries are now going to be having the BOMB, and they are the ones who have sworn to destroy America.

Let’s see; obama is not doing anything about the countries who are developing the BOMB, and he isn’t doing anything about Russia invading Ukraine, he wants to take the guns away from American citizens, he wants to give away the Internet, he wants to sign treaties with the UN that give them more power over the USA, he has appointed known muslim brotherhood members in his administration, he bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia, he is reducing our military, he is trying to ban the Christian and Jewish religions in the military, he has fired many high ranking officers in the military, he is friendly with muslim countries, countries that we are friendly with us are afraid we won’t do anything if Russia or China invades them, he has bankrupt us, and he still wants to spend trillions more.

How long does the list have to be before people figure out that obama isn’t trying to help the USA? He is trying to help our enemies.

Russian military jets buzzed USS Donald Cook, a destroyer that is in the Black Sea.
For 90 minutes this went on.
What was the US response?
A weak one.

“This provocative and unprofessional Russian action is inconsistent with their national protocols and previous agreements on the professional interaction between our militaries,” said Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman.
“We’ve seen the Russians conduct themselves unprofessionally and in violation of international norms in Ukraine now for several months,” he added. “These continued acts of provocations and unprofessionalism do nothing to de-escalate the situation in Ukraine.”

Well…..duh!!!!
These are direct tests of Obama’s resolve on the issue of defending the US’s interests.
Or even of its own military assets.
Obama failed once again.
Painting a target on the jets involved would have let the Russians know in no uncertain that they had gone too far.
Apparently, Obama doesn’t think they have gone too far.
Obama has gone further to enable Russia to seize more and more by being weak.

@Nanny G: Nanny, I don’t think anything should have been done. Think about it. The provocation is the US sending the ship there. The Russians would look weak if they did not ‘do anything’. They flew one fighter for a few minutes. Does that look ‘strong’ to you?
I actually have some first hand experience at this. In 1960 I was on board the USS John W Weeks when it was sent into the Black Sea. It was the first visit by a US warship into the Black Sea since WWII. From the time we entered the Bosphorus Straits,(which goes into the Black Sea) until we left about 3 days later, the Soviets kept a bomber circling over the ship the entire time. You think we were a nervous bunch of sailors? No incidents happened. So just a few minutes by a fighter was a very weak showing. Now having said that. Having a warship in the Black Sea is meaningless. There is nothing it can do about the invasion of Crimea. Strictly politics.

I am working for neighbors of the Bundy Ranch. They received a text that the military showed up with paddy wagons and real firepower. Obama has decided to maintain the Red Line with an older rancher and his neighbors. I was asked to go but I have a schedule to maintain. On the bright side, Obama has decided he is no longer backing down. We now know our leader isn’t afraid and is willing to kick some ass, especially now that the militias from several states have gone home. My friends Nd customers have told me that Obamas goons are going to win today, but the war is far from over. They were told not to bring their rifles today, and they know they might get shot by Obamas henchmen, but they left for a press conference. My phone

Skook,

it’s Obama’s combination of national self-defeatism as an energy policy and of enabling our enemies that has become more bizarre with the passage of time.

There has probably never been such a personally self-serving and ideologically extreme Administration in the W.H. It is ignorant of the world, ignorant of business, ignorant of economics, and it is inexperienced — Jarrett, Holder, and their gang, as well as their handlers. Their actions and dictates prove that they’re a hateful bunch, while their charge gets sent out to lie to the believers. There is no international policy, no international strategy, no idea what to do in a difficult world seeped in turmoil.

The epitomy of the disaster that is this Administration, is Clinton’s pathetic presentation of a RED Reset button to the Russians. Meanwhile, Iran is laughling all the way to Nuclear Armament, and Syria is ablaze.

To top it all, This Admin’s energy policy is non-existent, other than adding to taxpayer debt by gifting their political contributors billions in cash.

The fact that Jarrett gave almost a billion dollars to her inlaws in Canada — the contract for building the failed Obamacare website, seems to have vacated the glare of any scrutiny from anywhere for fear of ‘racist’ accusations. They’re corrupt to the bone.

JR, so that’s why the contract was awarded to an incompetent Canadian company, when we have the best in the US, who could’ve built the site for 10% of the cost. It’s so self defeating and yet Obama loyalists and apologists will say anything to keep him from looking like an incompetent ghetto thug.

It would be hilarious if our freedom, our country, and our economic futures weren’t being pissed away by this fraud.

@Kraken: #16,
Kraken,
This serious rise in military spending by dictators, as you know, is intended to “guard” the wealth accumulated by the leaders — in Russia the cleptocrats. Putin is by far the richest man on Earth and now has much to protect, . . . from his own people.

Expanding his Empire, fuels his propaganda machine as it solidifies his permanent hold on the dictatorship of Russia, and burnishes his position in history.

Meanwhile Jarrett, Holder and Obbama brandish the threatening sword of, . . . umm, . . . umm, nothing, but “some of you guys can’t travel to the U.S.”

WOW.

the exasperation we feel in our guts is not just an illusion,
it’s the real declaration of war on AMERICANS,
AND STILL THE LOYALS MINDLESS ARE IGNORING IT ,
AND PRETEND THAT THE SANITY IS PREVAILING, WHILE WE SEE INSANITY ALL OVER,
AND THE WORSE IS MAD INSANITY,
WHO SAID THERE IS 20 MILLIONS ILLEGALS TAKING THE LAND OF THE CITIZENS,
IT’S A NOW MAD MADDER AND MADDEST TIME EVER SEEN AND MOST DANGEROUS THAN EVER,
BECAUSE THE KILLERS ARE FREE TO KILL, THE THIEVES ARE FREE TO ROBB, THE GOOD PEOPLE, the prisons are pack to max,
lawless to the max, it’s now very dangerous to just walk on the streets, that marine was stab from one ear to the other
with a broken bottle by what seem to be a foreigner,
and obama try to disarm the good people,
and the atheist insult the CHRISTIANS IN THIS TIME OF EASTER
CELEBRATIONS, THOSE ARE THE DEVIL MESSANGERS RISEN FROM THE ENTRAIL OF THE FIRE GIVEN A TASK FROM THE ANGEL OF DEATH,
TO TORMENT THE CHRISTIANS, SPECIALY IN THIS TIME,

Skook,

Evidently the Obama crowd in the Ovall Office were too high at the time to be aware of the “Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances” which Putin has violated.

The “Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances” is a diplomatic memorandum that was signed in December 1994 by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom.

It is not a formal treaty, but rather, a diplomatic document under which signatories made promises to each other as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Under the memorandum, Ukraine promised to remove all Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its territory, send them to disarmament facilities in Russia, and sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukraine kept these promises.

In return, Russia and the Western signatory countries essentially consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state. They did so by applying the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention in 1975 Helsinki Final Act — a Cold War-era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union — to an independent post-Soviet Ukraine.

Read more . . .

Putin says, “What memorandum? I don’t know about a memorandum.”
Obama says, “Yah, that’s right, what memorandum? My friend Vlad isn’t violating anything. He’s just being flexible, . . . like me.”

Yet, Russia knows our fiscal resources are drained, our military is reduced and focused on gay equality, and Americans are war weary after winning two wars and having Obama piss-away hard fought victories.

Of course, pissing away fiscal and military resources on a totally useless invasion and nearly 8-year-long military occupation of Iraq has had nothing to do with our current “depleted” state.

That’s sarcasm, should anyone miss it.

The changing status of gays in the military hasn’t got a damn thing to do with the situation in Ukraine.

Nor did Obama “piss away hard-fought victories.” If victories have vanished, it’s because they weren’t really there to begin with. It’s a far easier matter to a change than to make things as you would have them be.

I don’t think attempting to enlist former Soviet Republics into a block to oppose Russia was such a good idea That policy was pushed too far, too fast. Encouraging buffer nations would have been a lot smarter.

Now we’ve got this to contend with. There’s really no rational response other than sanctions. Am I wrong about that? If so, please feel free to tell me what they are.

@Greg:

You are a most ignorant, ultra leftist zealot with the cluelessness of your post. You know nothing of what you are attempting to discuss with regard to the middle east and Obama’s total mishandling of our victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, and your idol’s feckless, arrogant incompetence has emboldened our enemies as Obama does everything he can to weaken our military.

Obama’s abysmal performance is all the evidence needed that the left should never ever again be allowed to control the Presidency. Idiots like you are the reason the Founding Fathers designed our government as a republic, not a democracy.

What truly sickens me is that so many good Americans willingly gave up their lives, in defense of our country, with the disgusting result that dishonorable, contemptible worms like you could spew your ignorance and lies.

@Greg:

Of course, pissing away fiscal and military resources on a totally useless invasion and nearly 8-year-long military occupation of Iraq has had nothing to do with our current “depleted” state.

It’s very important here Greg, that you begin to understand that your attachment to the Collective makes you wholly unqualified to have these kinds of conversations intelligently, as you an I together have confirmed repeatedly here.

This may come as a surprise to you, but overseas wars were fought by Americans prior to America’s invasion of Iraq.

That ability to fight wars overseas doesn’t deplete our military resources, as much as the consistent misguidance of the Collective’s leftist policy does. Let’s keep in mind here that this is the administration that is purging the Pentagon of competent officers and replacing them with activist nitwits, this is the administration that is reducing the army to Pre-World War II levels.

Nor did Obama “piss away hard-fought victories.” If victories have vanished, it’s because they weren’t really there to begin with. It’s a far easier matter to a change than to make things as you would have them be.

This of course is incorrect. Remember, this is the administration whose army won’t suspend contracts with al-Qaeda tied companies, this is the administration whose army handbook for soldiers defends Jihad, this is the administration that refuses to learn from experience, this is the administration that places a higher importance on a soldier’s genitalia than on their competence and performance, this is the administration that has helped disarm the Ukraine, this is the administration whose Navy names ships after communist cult leaders, this is the administration that has abandoned physical fitness standards in favor of social experimentation, this is the administration that did not allow Marines to carry live ammo at the Egyptian embassy, this is the administration that has allowed Homeland Security to acquire enough ammo to sustain a domestic hot war for over 2o years, this is the administration that has drastically cut funding to the marines while pissing away money on ineffective stimuli and experimentation with domestic health care, this is the administration that can’t seem to find the funds for a fireworks display to increase the morale of troops yet seemingly has found a bottomless pit of taxpayer money to fund his wife’s prolific vacations and party dresses. The list is almost endless, but any rational person can see that we aren’t being led by very bright people.

But the primary reason that victory eludes us, is because we have a President who simply isn’t interested in it.

I don’t think attempting to enlist former Soviet Republics into a block to oppose Russia was such a good idea That policy was pushed too far, too fast. Encouraging buffer nations would have been a lot smarter.

Now we’ve got this to contend with. There’s really no rational response other than sanctions. Am I wrong about that? If so, please feel free to tell me what they are.

Please re-read this post.

Armored Vehicles Flying Russian Flag Enter Eastern Ukraine City

Ukrainian forces advancing in east as showdown nears

Thus begins a conflict that the Collective found so preposterous that it could only have come out of the 1980s.

@Pete: you said to Greg:

You are a most ignorant, ultra leftist zealot with the cluelessness of your post.

You give Greg wayyyyyyy!!!!! to much credit for being aware….. He has no clues.

war is in the air not only in UKRAINE BUT HERE BECAUSE OF THE LEADERSHIP ARROGANCE,
those blm have killed two prize bulls and other cattle, they separate the mother and baby in time
of bailing, NO MONEY IS WHORTH THIS HATEFULL DESTRUCTION LIKE A RAMPAGE, THEY HAD THE OKAY TO KILL,
they threathen and round up the people, AND THREATEN THEM WITH WEAPONS AND DOGS,
THEY LAUCH AT THEM,
the ultimate arrogance, AND HATE FOR THE LAST STANDING RANCHER,
and reid coming up after the destruction of gate and water line he reid come to say, it”s not finish,
ARREST HIM FOR INCITING THE WAR,
THE KOSH BROTHERS WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THAT,
THEY HAVE MORE BRAIN THAN ANYONE IN LEADERSHIP

ANOTHER ONE TO SEEK DESTRUCTION, PUTIN IS AN IDIOT AND ALSO A DANGER TO RUSSIA,
THEY SHOULD ARREST HIM IF THEY DON’T HAVE THE GUTTS TO EXECUTE HIM, FOR INCITING REBELLION,
REPLACE PUTIN BY ONE WITH A BRAIN, TO LEAD THE COUNTRY WITHOUT WANTING TO ATTACK OTHER COUNTRIES,
PUT A MAN OF PEACE, AND REMOVE THE WARMONGER,
WHICH HAS NOT EVOLVED WITH TIME, HE IS STILL STUCK IN THE OLD TIME, AND VERY DANGEROUS FOR RUSSIA AND OTHER,
unless you want your son to be laying down in their blood,

@Pete: Greg served in Viet Nam. How bout you Pete?
Afghanistan? If there was a short lived Northern Alliance victory there, it disintegrated as troops were pulled to engage in Iraq circa 2003. Since then it’s been a cluster f–k under two admins.

@Pete, #21:

You are a most ignorant, ultra leftist zealot with the cluelessness of your post. You know nothing of what you are attempting to discuss with regard to the middle east and Obama’s total mishandling of our victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, and your idol’s feckless, arrogant incompetence has emboldened our enemies as Obama does everything he can to weaken our military.

Personal attacks are what always seem to follow around here when people draw a total blank in the intelligent response department. It’s such an obvious pattern to anyone paying attention that it’s hardly worth commenting on.

As I said, There’s really no rational response to the situation other than sanctions. It’s the best we’ve got.

The potential consequences of any military confrontation between the U.S. and Russia are too terrible to contemplate. Both nations are nuclear powers. Assuming we avoided rapid escalation to a nuclear exchange, we’d still be trying to wage war halfway around the world against an enemy that has the battlefield conveniently next door. We’ve already expended so much on a decade of overseas military actions that the demands of the effort would probably bankrupt us. We’ve also got to keep in mind that there are other threats to worry about that we must retain an ability to respond to. Some people seem to lose sight of that the moment they get focused on any particular issue.

Russia’s greatest vulnerability is also economic. The intelligent approach is to target that weakness at the least risk and cost to ourselves, and keep up the pressure. The strategy is to make Putin’s actions injure Putin, while avoiding self-defeating responses.

@Greg:

Personal attacks are what always seem to follow around here when people draw a total blank in the intelligent response department. It’s such an obvious pattern to anyone paying attention that it’s hardly worth commenting on.

This statement clearly illustrates how hypocrisy is the foundation of all leftist thought. You really don’t have any business lecturing anyone on this matter, Gregory. Responses have been given to you, but you choose to ignore them in favor of continuing to repeat discredited rhetoric instead; another indication of the ineducable nature of Collective Drones. After all, you’re still going on about how Republicans have not offered an alternative to ObamaCare, even after being presented with this information.

As I said, There’s really no rational response to the situation other than sanctions. It’s the best we’ve got.

You can continue to parrot this talking point directive all you like. But the fact of the matter is that this administration has rejected the recommendations of experienced military personnel in favor of academic wish-making, perhaps even collusion with Putin’s ambitions.

Russia’s greatest vulnerability is also economic. The intelligent approach is to target that weakness at the least risk and cost to ourselves, and keep up the pressure. The strategy is to make Putin’s actions injure Putin, while avoiding self-defeating responses.

This is exactly the kind of gullibility from America’s “useful idiots” that Putin is counting on. The Collective’s naive belief that Putin cares what effects his actions will have on the economic well being of his people elicits legitimate guffaws from those who understand reality. Putin’s sole concern is his own ambition. If Ukraine falls with little more than sternly worded speeches from the President, it likely won’t be the last. Putin has made remarks indicating that he is eyeing Finland, and indeed, wiser minds than the “Reset Button” crowd are predicting that perhaps the Baltic States are next.

In the end, it’s important to remember here, that this is a scenario that the Collective found too preposterous to consider. Unsurprisingly, reality directly conflicts with the Collective’s narrative, again.

You really ought to be listening and learning Greg, rather than blathering.

@Kraken, #31:

A lot of irrelevant words, and a lot of links to even more irrelevant words, but you seem to have totally avoided the question concerning what alternative approach conservatives would take to the Ukraine situation.

I’m not the one who is blathering. I have stated my support for a specific approach and have stated why it’s the one I believe we should be taking.

On the conservative side, the details and specifics are always missing. This situation is no different. There’s no end to the condemnation of Obama, but nobody is outlining any better ideas.

@Greg:

Blather is all you seem to have; we both know this. It’s as though the light is on, but nobody’s home, as they say.

For instance, the link I provided above details just such an alternative approach.

Additionally, in this thread, I made direct reference to the recommendations for just such an alternative approach from experienced military personnel.

So, since you’re unable to acknowledge these responses to your query, we’re left to wonder if this is a manifestation of a kind of disorder that prevents you from processing information that is presented to you. Like the list of ObamaCare alternatives that you seem to be unable to process. Do you have an aversion to linked citations to back arguments, or does the additional reading material merely confuse you? Or are we just dealing with typical socialist laziness here?

@Kraken, #33:

For instance, the link I provided above details just such an alternative approach.

Yeah, sure it does:

What should have been done differently? Are you suggesting that we should have gone to war with Russia?

Despite not having all of the information necessary, there are still a number of actions that can be pointed to.

First of course is serious education reform. America’s education system needs to be entirely gutted. Public support will always be in the wrong place as long as we have activist professors wasting student’s time teaching them the imaginary virtues of brutal executioners like Che Guevarra, simply because they think the graphic art of his face looks cool hanging in their windowless academic office…

You go on to expound on the southern border, “half-baked liberal arts majors,” social experimentation, “climate change musicals,” etc etc.

We’re talking about an actual event that’s currently going on in the real world that requires some specific response from the United States and its allies, not some abstract conspiracy theory. An alternative approach means doing something different right now, with the intention of producing a better outcome.

If somebody is criticizing the Obama administration’s approach without having something better to suggest, they’re just making noise.

@Rich Wheeler:

I served three times, twice in Iraq and once in Afghanistan. Retired after 25 years. Went from Infantry private to Cavalry LT, to LTC physician during my service. So the chicken hawk accusation you infer doesn’t fly.

@Greg:

Yeah, sure it does:

Yes. It does. The post may be too lengthy for you to respond to, or the interconnected information too varied for your progressive pea-brainism. In either case, while I’m sure that you cherish the discredited rhetoric that the Collective has assigned to you, it’s important for you to understand that stupidly dismissing the post doesn’t unwrite it for you.

We’re talking about an actual event that’s currently going on in the real world, not some abstract conspiracy theory. An alternative approach means doing something different right now, with the intention of producing a better outcome.

How does this apply do anything I’ve written? Just because you refuse to acknowledge the alternative solutions I’ve presented in order to protect the rhetoric you’ve been directed to parrot, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

And again I reference the recommendation of military personnel, and again you’re unable to process the information.

The excessive italicizing seems to indicate that you’re pretty close to hulking out. Could you describe for us in detail how that feels?

@Greg:

If somebody is criticizing the Obama administration’s approach without having something better to suggest, they’re just making noise.

This of course is incorrect.

Remember, the recipient of a botched surgery that connects a colostomy bag to his throat doesn’t need to be able to supply a better suggestion. That’s the doctor’s job.

@Kraken, #36:

Yes. It does. The post too lengthy for you to respond to, or the information too varied for your progressive pea-brainism. In either case, while I’m sure that you cherish the discredited rhetoric that the Collective has assigned to you, it’s important for you to understand that stupidly dismissing the post doesn’t unwrite it for you.

In other words, you have no clue what response would be wiser than economic sanctions.

How does this apply do anything I’ve written? Just because you refuse to acknowledge the alternative solutions I’ve presented in order to protect the rhetoric you’ve been directed to parrot, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Alternative solutions? I’m still waiting to hear a suggestion. The question, you may recall, is how we should be dealing with the Ukrainian situation and Russia. You don’t like Obama’s approach. So, what do you suggest?

I encountered this same sort of b.s. the other day, when people were asserting that Cummings had done something criminal and that there was clear, indisputable evidence to that effect. When I asked what the specific criminal act was and what the specific evidence supporting that conclusion might be, all I got was an endless run-around. Nobody could answer the question. I was told repeatedly that I must be stupid if I couldn’t figure this out.

@Pete: Thanks. How do you feel about chicken hawks like Cheney?
Brief assessment of Bush vs. Obama execution of Afghan War.
Thanks for your service.

I think severe economic sanctions AND casting ego-maniacal Putin as the pariah he is, will bring an end to his land grab.

In other words, you have no clue what response would be wiser than economic sanctions.

Gregory, it’s important for you to respond to what was actually written, as opposed to what you wish had been written so you can continue parroting your assigned rhetoric.

Let’s see if repetition can help your learning process.

Here’s one response that would be wiser.

Here’s another.

These things, specifically, are what I suggest.

Now, let’s all watch Greg, and see if he’s able to process the information this time around.

Hulk italicize!

By the way, check out how the world has changed!

Kraken
you have the right mind, don”t let the spoiler change one iota of your judgement,
Greg is here to spoil the minds here, he hasn”t figured out yet that his judgement has been alter by who he follow, and it”s hopless for him to recover from that bent rod he was told is straight, HE IS ONE AMONG SO MANY POOR ALTERED MIND, TOO LATE FOR THEM TO BE REDRESS, BECAUSE THEIR FOCUS
ARE STUCK IN STONE AFTER SO MANY MINUTES AND DAYS ,
AND YEARS
IN THE SAME MUDD,
BYE

DON’T ANY MAKE MISTAKES, THE TEA-PARTY ARE SUPER INTELLIGENT,
AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS AMERICA,
AND THEY WILL PREVAIL BECAUSE THEY OUTSMART ANY ONE IN POLITIC,
ANY JOURNALIST FROM THE OTHER SIDE ARE NO MATCH FOR THE TEA-PARTY,
AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD TRY TO SHOW THEIR SUPERIORITY, THEY LACK OF IT,
THE TEA-PARTY DWELL IN EACH OF THEIR MEMBER TO ENHANCE THEIR INDIVIDUALITY,
WHICH MAKE THEM UNDESTRUCTEBLY STRONG , THEY ARE WHAT AMERICA NEED TO RECLAIM HER EXTRAORDINARY ADVANCE IN THE WORLD WHICH SHE PAUSE UNTIL THE TEA-PARTY
TAKE THE TORCH FOR AMERICANS,
AND YES THEY WILL CHANGE THE LAWS THEY DON’T LIKE,
BECAUSE IF THEY DON’T LIKE THOSE LAW, IT MEAN THEY ARE BAD FOR THE PEOPLE,
THE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FROM THEM, AND THE TEA-PARTY WILL BURN THOSE EXTORTIONIST LAWS,

@Greg: 29

Personal attacks are what always seem to follow around here when people draw a total blank in the intelligent response department.

You writing an autobiography? That applies to you as much as almost anyone here.

@Greg:

Nor did Obama “piss away hard-fought victories.” If victories have vanished, it’s because they weren’t really there to begin with.

So you didn’t follow the Iraq war?

@Kraken: 22

That ability to fight wars overseas doesn’t deplete our military resources, as much as the consistent misguidance of the Collective’s leftist policy does. Let’s keep in mind here that this is the administration that is purging the Pentagon of competent officers and replacing them with activist nitwits, this is the administration that is reducing the army to Pre-World War II levels.

I was just thinking the same thing, that the military has to practice fighting wars when they’re not fighting actual wars. I doubt the cost is much different for fighting a war vs rehearsing for one. I remember playing war games on the aircraft carrier and it was very much like the same kinds of activities, many flights and expended missiles and bombs. I would say (other than the personal injuries involved) that fighting a real war is better training than practicing.

@Redteam: Greg takes an incredible one sided personal beating from guys like Kraken, Pete and yourself. On the other hand you got a class act like Skooks who will blast Obama but be courteous to all F.A. posters. I commend him and always enjoy his posts–though I rarely agree with him.
I can assure you that practicing war bears little resemblance to actually fighting one.
Sign at Camp Pendleton–“THE MORE YOU SWEAT IN PEACE THE LESS YOU BLEED IN WAR.”
Semper Fi Skooks

Here’s one response that would be wiser.

That’s the same rambling post about education reform, securing our southern border, etc etc. It doesn’t pose an alternate response to the present situation, no matter how many times I read it. Essentially you’re suggesting that all would be well if reality were different. If kids were educated as you believe they should be, if somebody else were president, if the nation wasn’t a socialist dictatorship, or whatever you imagine it to be, etc.

I agree that General Breedlove is more specific. He wants to position U.S. troops in Europe for a military response. Do you imagine war with Russia could have any sort of positive outcome for the United States or western Europe? Anyone who isn’t out of touch with reality understands that the answer to that question is No. You can’t effectively bluff with a threat that involves doing more damage to yourself than your enemy. This shouldn’t be difficult to understand.

If conservatives believe a military confrontation with Russia is a good idea in spite of this, they should say so loudly, clearly, and often, so the American public knows exactly what they have in mind.

@Rich Wheeler:

How do you feel about chicken hawks like Cheney?

Just curious Rich, what constitutes a ‘chicken hawk’? Is Bill Clinton one, or just a plain draft dodger. Actually he’s a ‘non-convicted’ felon for awol. But is he a ‘chicken hawk’?

@Redteam, #45:

So you didn’t follow the Iraq war?

We still haven’t received a Thank You note from Iran, expressing their gratitude to us for having removed their most serious national security concern entirely at the expense of the U.S. taxpayers. This is very impolite of them.

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