The Chicago-Style Federal Elections Scheme Fix In The Immigration Bill [Reader Post]

@john:

If New York wants to bring about its final demise, then by all means, grant voting rights to illegals who have been given amnesty (not citizenship, mind you) and the right to stay here. But don’t be surprised when those now-legal law breakers vote in those that promise the newly minted voters the most from the state coffers.

Of course, those like Nanny Bloomberg will expect the actual taxpayers, those who earn too much to get any kind of social welfare payments, to pay for it. Why would anyone agree to that when moving across the state line is a simple procedure, as is moving your business to another state.

Talk about a self-inflicted gun shot would to the head. We’ll see if there is anyone left in Albany that has at least a room temperature I.Q.

Retire05 and I have had some pretty serious debates over immigration reform. I’m for reform, including legalizing the folks already here, as long as they have no criminal history. But I don’t like the Gang of 8 bill, not even a little bit. It seems to me that Rubio has given the democrats everything they want and republicans get IOUs in return.

I want to see security, but more importantly I want to see an end to illegal immigration. One of the best ways to stop that is the Anchor Baby Law. Get rid of it. A child born in the US should only be a US citizen if the parents are here legally.

@john:

This seems to be something that should be decided by individual states, as it always has.

That is the first time a lib has every said anything should be left to the States. I actually agree with this, however Ditto is right, to an extent. The municipality would have to have special ballots during federal and state elections. And that just creates an environment for fraud.

I agree – there is no separate ‘Municipal’ ballot – and if there were you can bet the ACLU would be on it for ‘disenfranchising voters’ by having a separate ballot.

If this is done NYC would follow in the footsteps of Detroit.

My immigration reform would first secure the borders and require voter-id to vote *and* register in addition to requiring re-registration every 4 years. Then remove the magnets – no more government give-aways (except for immediate-life-threatening medical), no more free education. No federal funds for ‘sanctuary cities’ – none. Go after companies who hire illegals (and pierce the corporate veil to board members and executives can be held personally liable).

@Mully:

Secure the border and keep it secure. I believe Mexico has theirs’ secured.

Yes, Mexico has sealed its southern border. What do get through, are treated less than humanely. Most the the Mexican military that is assigned to border patrol are on their southern border. Few Federalis are on their northern border.

Stop the anchor baby path to benefits.

The first thing to do is to refuse any federal benefits to any state, or city, that provides sanctuary to illegals. Yes, that includes San Antonio, Houston and Austin. No more federal assistance for anything until those cities agree to honor federal law.

Go after employers who hire illegals, so the jobs dry up and they self deport.

Self deport? Now you’re gonna catch it. Most think there is no way the illegals will self-deport. But if you can’t find a job, if you can’t work under the table, if you can’t go on social welfare, if you are going to be arrested if you check into an ER, if you have no way, absolutely no way, to support yourself you will return to where you at least have family. You want proof? Ask yourself why the amnesty pushers keep talking about the 11 million. Just a few years ago, it was 13-14 million. What happened to that 2-3 million? Did they all of a sudden become “legal?” Nope. They returned to their native land, mostly Mexico, because they could not find jobs here during the recession. The mayor of one Mexican border town complained that he was seeing so many new residents coming from the U.S. that he could not afford the services for them. The Mexican Consulate was complaining that they were overloaded with requests from Mexican citizens to be able to return to Mexico with their American-born child (yeah, if you’re Mexican, but have an American child, you have to get permission from the Consulate to take that kid to Mexico because without written permission from the Mexican government, you can’t put that kid in a Mexican school. How’s that for the actions of our “neighbors” to the South?) These people were self-deporting. It can, and has been done.

If an illegal shows up at an emergency room, treat them and call ICE. Then start deportation if possible.

That should be done. End of story. And I don’t want to hear the bleating heart left complain how it “breaks up families.”

I know this appears cold but our country isn’t going to prosper by importing millions of 5th grade educated people who go on federal and state benefits supplied by politicians looking for fresh voters. Bottom line, it’s about vote buying and power retainment from the political class. The illegals are just pawns being used. Sad.

Ah, but the Gang of 8’s bill is an absolute Christmas present to the Mexican elite. With 63% of the illegals here being Mexican, and representing 10% of the entire Mexican population, we are picking up those social responsibilities that should be falling on the Mexican government for education, health care, social welfare programs. By assuming what should be the responsibility of the Mexican government, it requires the Mexican wealthy to pay less in taxes and continue the caste system that still exists in Mexico.

We need to understand Mexico is no friend.

@Ditto:

The Pew Hispanic Center reports that of all the Mexicans already eligible for U.S. citizenship, less than 40% have done so. Why? The main reason Pew gave is language. It goes on to explain that learning English is considered being a “sell out” by some Hispanic immigrants. Basically, it is a refusal to assimilate. Think about this for a minute: you move to France. You want to be thought of as just another Frenchmen by other Frenchmen and want to be accepted by Frenchmen. What is the first thing you do? You learn to speak French. Not only is learning to speak French a sign of respect for your adopted nation, and its people, but it is a way to blend in even though you still have a bar-b-que smoker on your balcony and wear Justins.

Pew also did a survey and learned that a) illegals are really not interested in citizenship b) border issues are not important to them except they don’t want immigration laws enforced and c) education for their children was the primary concern of Hispanics in the U.S. It also showed that Hispanics, by a wide majority, support “affirmative action” for Hispanics. Move over, black America. You are about to have a new competitor for all those affirmative actions perks. And the new kid on the block doesn’t suffer from white guilt.