1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura, like every central casting’s #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.
2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.
3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
4. Can’t speak in a fake, southern, “black preacher voice” when necessary.
5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School…and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
6. Doesn’t smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today’s America?
7. Represents an America of “yesterday”, where people believed in God, went to Church, didn’t screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
8. Has a family of five great sons…and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom and that “choice” deserves America’s scorn.
9. Oh yes…he’s a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest (in full disclosure, many may or may not know that I am also a Latter-Day Saint – “Mormon” to some unfamiliar with our Church).
10. And one more point…pundits say because of his wealth, he can’t relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that’s because he made that money HIMSELF…as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn’t understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money made you unrelatable to Americans.
BONUS 11. Gives millions of dollars to charity every year. How dare he waste that money on charity and church instead of giving it to the government in a time of great need.
@Nan G:
THIS is the speech i heard…and i read…and what i liked most about the speech is that he asked people to put aside “politics” for a moment and reflect on the tragedy that happened. that seemed very “human” to me.
I was just back from a 12 month tour in Vietnam when Kerry testified before Congress. I had no problem with what he said. It was high time that somebody said it.
Kerry requested in-country duty. He earned the right to speak his mind.
@Greg:
Yah know, at lunch today we were just talking about the abuse Vietnam vets were subjected when they returned to the US from Nam back then. The way you see it is not the way the Vietnam vet and his wife who were at the table saw it at all. I won’t deny your personal observation Greg. But it is rather odd. With the exception of lying fuax veterans and hardened partisans I’ve encountered, I can say I’ve never encounter a real Vietnam vet who shares your opinion about Lt. Kerry and Winter Soldier.
Mike O’Mally My 2 cents as a Marine Corps platoon commander in V.N. Definately did not support winter soldiers but like Greg. feel those who served in V.N. had a right to state their views.
As mentined before, re in country actions, I believe Kerry’s shipmates over up river swift boaters.
@Mike O’Malley, #54:
I think maybe we all tend to associate more with those who share our own world views. I noticed such a division of opinion and social association even before I’d left Vietnam. That was over 40 years ago, but the division seems to have carried right on through to today’s politics.
@Greg:
My background is on the radical left.
@Richard Wheeler:
Indeed he does. And any and all American citizens have the right to agree and to disagree with him and to say so.
And as a former radical leftist I want to tell Greg that I respect and appreciate his service in Nam. I’m glad he came home safely.
Huh. I was a bit left of center, probably owing to a late 1960s Episcopalian high school education. I dropped out of college and volunteered for military service. A family tradition, I guess. I voted twice for Reagan. I still don’t consider myself too far to the left of center. At least, not too far to the left of where the center used to be.
@Greg:
Greg:
I’m going to back out of this exchange. I contributed what I had to offer to this thread. You served in Nam. I never served in the US military. I am just not in the mood to give a Vietnam veteran a hard time.
As a former radical leftist I respect and appreciate your service in Nam. I’m glad you came home safely.
Enjoy your discussion in this thread. Maybe I might pop in later if I’ve got anything meaningful to add. Until then have a good weekend … and mix it up as much as you like. 😉
A good weekend to you, also.
Ya know, coming from a military Family with my Father and Uncles serving in Nam… Gotta say that was a lovely horseshit story Greg. Really keen eye there on the heart wretching feelings but still horseshit. Where were you stationed? Uncles were marines, so please enlighten me how you agree with Kerry?
Here’s a hint, one of those Kerry slandered on the Congress floor was one of my Family members oh and the Military did an extensive MP investigation because such actions even THEN was not tollerated. No Vet I’ve ever come across has ever said lovely nice things to Kerry, especially since he had to retract his words to Congress under further questioning and pointing out little to no evidence of what he described happened.
He had the right to speak such things about the war but the little bastard did so by stepping on the bloodied and ruined bodies of my own Family.
This further makes me question about your, “age” since you toss away Scientific Method, assault on Modern Conservatives as some sort of Democrat Conservatives of the 1860’s, assaulting the rich while yourself bragging about having such wealth, and a sheer lack of understanding of what we Conservatives have as policies. Let alone none of my family’s Nam stories are as sugar coated as this, hell my Father (Air Force) doesn’t even want to discuss the matters without trying to go to a different subject. So it doesn’t fit the typical pattern of a veteran, at least from what I experience and I tutor and help current Military vets with US History for college preps so it’s not like I’m isolated in dealing with military.
Final bit My father’s about 66 years old, that would place you at least THAT old if not older since he was in the Military at the age of 18 and he didn’t (like the majority of the population) enlist but was drafted. So you had to at least experience the Nixon corruptions, the Jimmy Carter Taxation/Energy Policy failures (same ones Chu wants to bring back), and the wonderfuly malicious Iran/Iraq Contra incident where the US supplied Iraq with chemical weapons.
@Mr. Irons, #62:
I did basic and AIT at Fort Gordon, Georgia, and spent all of the next year in and around Nha Trang in the Khanh Hoa province. I don’t know why that would be so hard for anyone to believe. Nearly 3 million people around my age served in-country. Like myself, 2/3 were volunteers rather than draftees.
Check your arithmetic. I turned 20 while I was in Vietnam. That was in 1970. I’m now 62. It was a long war. U.S. ground troops arrived in 1965.
Greg, thank you for giving a heart felt cliched service detachment of pretty much any Army deployment listing for that era. How about your detached mission deployments isntead of bases hopped around like the few other Million of the Vets? Really grade A and my math is fine then again you did show reading comp problems here before so maybe your Drill Sargent slam your head a few dozen times too hard? But hey, as you said roughly 3 million people served, Ground pounders generally were drafted in since the majority didn’t want to be in this war, or did you forget that? If you willing served, kudos. But your stories still stink worth of horseshit.
Yeah, a majority of the time you don’t have to push someone to give any details about their service, unless that individual is still on active duty and may not go into specific details, must consider OPSEC of course, but his story is sketchy at best…Was “in and around” an MOS?…I was certain he didn’t do much time if any at all in the military based on his inability to answer any MIL/LE questions (repeatedly)….Why would it be hard to believe?…You really have to ask that?….Maybe just cut to the chase and send your DD-214 to CJ or Curt….
@Greg: “Apparently the Romney campaign believes that how a presidential candidate has conducted his recent financial activities reveals nothing important about his suitability for the nation’s single highest position of power, responsibility, and public trust”…….I’ll go out on a limb here….Were you voicing the same with Dear Leader prior to his being elected?…..
Wow, Irons, you need to work on basic writing and logic skills before you blather on about Greg. Sua, you are “certain” about Greg? You are both exactly the type of person Romney wants to fool into believing his snake oil. It’s really simple: Tell naive folks that “job creators” need even more tax breaks, and then watch us continue the debt and deflationary spiral that GWB started us on. It didn’t work for Bush, it won’t work for Romney. He just wants to lower his taxes at your expense. Note that both Reagan and Clinton raised taxes, and our economy improved, since there was spending on infrastructure and industry.
As for Mormons, just read the history and tenets of the religion, and realize that they are on the same bus as Scientologists.
@Sua Sponte, #66:
Obama released all of his tax returns from 2000 on before his election. He has continued the practice. All of his returns from 2000 through 2011 are available for public inspection.
Romney has refused to his release returns for years prior to 2010. What he has released for 2010 isn’t complete. Forms relating to offshore accounts are missing.
That is what is commonly known as a red flag. The man is obviously hiding something that he knows voters will strongly disapprove of. Or worse.
At this point people will likely start blathering about college transcripts, “real” birth certificates,etc, all of which are totally irrelevant to the issue. This issue has to do with the legitimacy one’s financial dealings and tax reporting.
(if you’re voting for your president on asthetic looks alone…please, refrain from voting.)
(that’s admirable. i guess you’re taking points away from Obama, because Michelle didn’t have breast cancer or MS.)
(really? this whole “i don’t want to show you my tax records” isn’t him trying to hide something?)
(no…but he most certainly sounds like a uptight snob who looks down on most of America.)
(Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School. he even taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, which is by no means some “community collee”)
(good for him. i suppose i’d rather vote for someone who i could connect with, have a beer with…)
(i love the 1950s mentality that no longer words. the “America of yesterday”? more religious propaganda and Christian-revisionist that want to equate being American and going to church.)
(Obama has two great daughters. i guess he should have had more kids.)
(oh yes…and we should really care about our president’s religion…because that REALLY matters when it comes to things like the economy, defense, and foreign relations)
(oh…i didn’t realize he didn’t inherit ANY of his wealth from his father. i doubt that is the case…but ok. good for him.)
(gives millions of dollars to charity and writes it off on his taxes. avoids paying millions in taxes by hiding his money in off-shore bank accounts.)
@Greg: Nice to see how easy it is for you to miss points as I wasn’t just speaking of his tax records…How is it irrelivant the types of people Dear Leader hung out with and that he doesn’t release records?…Dear Leader has touted, along with the administration that they are the most transparent administration EVAH!!…He obviously has something to hide…Not releasing tax records makes one not eligble for POTUS, but being a community organizer does?…If there was something there, then please tell me why LE hasn’t gotten involved over time?….
@C Andrew Scott: You forgot pisses away billions in failed “green energy” scams while passing money onto primary donors….Oh wait, that wasn’t Romney….Ok, bows to country leaders, no, hmm, not him again….Alright, awarded a $5.9 million grant to a University of Chicago Medical Center program run by one of his closest friends and the center was tied to his wife, darn, nope, that was Dear Leader too….Goes after states upholding federal laws?…Awards taxpayer dollars to foreign companies?…Again, not Romney….Covered for a failed LE operation which resulted in the death of two U.S. agents and multiple Mexican citizens….Biggest regret is not “telling stories”…Really?….I’m not looking for a pal-around president….Myself, along with many others want a leader, not some guy who makes the easy PC decision and is incapable of taking responsiblity…I’ve had many leaders in the military whom I didn’t get along with personally, but from a leadership standpoint were best of the best…Just like I don’t want to be friends with my children, I’m to be their parent, not their buddy….Poverty levels their highest since 1965, record unemployment, cowering to islamists, record number of people on food stamps, bailing out privite business with taxpayer money (I didn’t know he had a business degree) and the taxpayer getting the shaft….So four more years are needed…Needed for what, to fully and completely destroy everything?…Make unemployment even higher?….Piss away more money on more Solyndras?…
@Independent: “Sua, you are “certain” about Greg?”……..Yep.
@Sua Sponte:
just pointing out that most of your reasons apply to Obama as well…but i understand…you don’t see him as a family man, an educated man, or even a “good” man.
and as far as “poverty levels their highest since 1965, record unemployment, cowering to islamists, record number of people on food stamps”…i always enjoy how people want to blame the current president for the current state of things…but again…i understand this is a “conservative” blog…and you have the right to your opinion.
@Independent:
Sorry bub, but Greg’s been caught in lies before here so don’t try and play defense here. You don’t like me, then fine but doesn’t give you protection here from being challenged on any points and if you want to defend a liar go ahead.
@C Andrew Scott:
It’s good you you to have a sense of fairness about you Mr. Scott becuase enormous blame should be directed toward the current POTUS for the CURRENT mess. According to his own budget proposals in 2009 the US economy should have enterred into a period of robust recovery in late 2009 and early 2010. Unemployment should be well below 6% by his own Treasury Secretary’s estimates made and published in 2009. Substantial blame is due and justified.
However, even with his stunning economic malfeasance there are several force majores for he is not to blame. The underlying structural problems in the US economy that caused our current problems were bequeath to him by the New Deal, the Great Society program and during the Carter Administration. President Obama is also not responsible for the demographic collapse of Europe, nor is he responsible for the on going collapse of the European welfare states. If he pulls a bad card regarding Europe he may be destined to fail no matter how good he might be (and he’s not good at all).
@Sua Sponte, #70:
It’s obvious that there’s something about Romney’s financial dealings in the recent past that he doesn’t want voters to know about. If that’s not a serious warning sign that conservatives should take heed of, I don’t know what is.
@C Andrew Scott: Poor president Obama. If he gets reelected, look at the mess he’s going to inherit.
@Independent: How exactly are us Mormons the same as Scientologists? Please, educate me about my religion. I’m all ears.
Personally, CJ, what I’d love to see a post from you is educating the masses to the Mormons’, bar none, best multi-faceted “welfare” system. I’m actually surprised that Romney’s never broached this subject. Their system totally revolves on the principle of helping people to help themselves. One of the WSJ writers touched on it early this year, but I don’t think people are aware of how effective it is.
@Mr. Irons, #74:
Telling lies, or expressing differing opinions? Feel free to cite specifics.
One of my opinions is that people throw the word “lie” around here much too casually.
@Greg: Or maybe there is no compelling reason to release them. The Constitution (I know, profanity to a liberal) makes no requirement for a candidate to release ANY records (including school records for those demanding Obama’s). The truth is Romney is smarter than your average (and above average) liberal and knows that no matter how many tax statements he releases, you idiots will never be satisfied and just use them in your pursuit of class warfare! If Romney releases his tax records, regardless of what is contained in them, I will vote third party.
@MataHarley: Ask and ye shall receive. Give me a day or two to gather my thoughts.
@MataHarley:
Indeed the Church of Later Day Saints can go where the state only goes at the peril of the people, into propagating and imposing moral standards of personal behavior. Mormons function in the context of separation of church and state more faithfully to the intent of the Founders.
@CJ: no difference from Poor Ol’ Mitt.@CJ:
yeah…and when “conservatives” start name-calling…it really makes them appear “intelligent” too.
just alot of hypocrisy from the beginning of this thread…but as i’ve stated before…nobody will acknowledge that. i guess that would take “intelligence”.
@Mike O’Malley:
interesting…i didn’t realize that any of the Founding Fathers who birthed the Constitution were “mormon”. amazing! they timie-travel too!?
@Tom:
It’s the Oliver Stone version of American history, Tom. The liberal version.
@Greg:
You really believe that people should testify to things they’d never seen?
@Tom:
Hey Tom
Did you notice that while he hasn’t met once with his jobs council in six months, Obama did stop playing golf long enough to honor Ramadan?
@DrJohn: and if he was Muslim…who cares? only the Christian-right who would want to paint him as a terrorist…because that is oh, so, American.
@C Andrew Scott:
Canard.
The point is the rewriting history for the purposes of political correctness.
But I think you know that.
@CJ: Perhaps you could even expand on that a little and include how the Mormons took an area no one else wanted (including the federal government), Great Salt Lake, because it was considered uninhabitable, and turned it into a thriving metropolis through hard work and ingenuity, in particular their innovative irrigation techniques. They are considered pioneers in dry farming. Perhaps we could use a little of that know how to straighten out the mess we are in.
Correction- they didn’t do any of those things. Someone else did it. How soon I forget the modern version of history!
The thought of a borderline-retarded anti-American racist P.O.S. as president sure CAN drive some people nuts. Your Precious Token is going down and going down hard in November, chump.
@Buck Bradley: I am changing my response to your post after re-reading it. Whom are you accusing of being chumps?
@C Andrew Scott: Glad you didn’t read that I want a leader…..Family man, don’t care, educated man, don’t care……“i always enjoy how people want to blame the current president for the current state of things” and I always enjoy how the current regime wants to blame everyone else for the current state of things, I suppose you’re not going to refute the items I listed above, love to see that…
@Greg: “It’s obvious that there’s something about Romney’s financial dealings in the recent past that he doesn’t want voters to know about. If that’s not a serious warning sign that conservatives should take heed of, I don’t know what is.” …….Thank you for proving my point, throwing out chaffe when it comes to Dear Leader (PBUH) and his background…Not even going to get into all the shady dealings while in Chicago as it’s clear either people don’t care, don’t want to know so as not to tarnish Benevolent Leader (PBUH)….
@Sua Sponte:
i’m glad you didn’t refute how CJ’s “10 things” were hypocritical. you want a “leader”…well, i’m sorry…perhaps neither Obama or Mitt is your guy then.
my post was directed at how the “10 things” make little, if any, sense…considering i could post literally the same thing talking about Obama. (CJ listed the “family” man…and the “educated” man. i found it humorous that “good looks” was at the top of the list.)
for EVERY president…there are opinions and oppositions. i was not defending Obama…simply disputing the “list” that CJ posted.
@C Andrew Scott: I was refuting your tripe and in referene to #73, as a matter of fact are not opinions but fact, “poverty levels their highest since 1965, record unemployment, cowering to islamists, record number of people on food stamps”…In business, Romney has been a leader, unlike Dear Leader (PBUH) believes he’s able to “invest” wisely, fail, then blame everyone else or claim victory when it’s readily apparent it was a failure…Getting involved in state business, as a 1SGT I don’t get involved in platoon or team business unless it’s warranted, same goes for the CO, XO, CSM, BCO, etc….Going after states for upholding federal laws, not investigating to see if there is wrong doing, but simply to intimidate…Of those I might be able to apply to Chairman Obama, 2, 4, 6……
@Sua Sponte:
blah blah blah…and yawn!
just because you don’t think Obama is attractive or educated. wait! weren’t those things you didn’t care about?
and as far as Mitt being a “leader”…are you referring to when the led Bain into the ground and jumped ship? hmmm? no thanks.
@C Andrew Scott: When you don’t have a plausible retort, always call out the name-calling. Interesting how such a small little word can get you so up in arms that it completely retards you to the point of being incapable of responding to the facts presented. Perhaps my use of the word wasn’t so much name-calling as calling it as I see it. Unless, of course, you’d like to prove me wrong that you aren’t an idiot and can actually respond to the discussion at hand…I won’t hold my breath.
@CJ:
CJ…i don’t recall resorting to “name-calling”…(you do enough of that on your own)…what i do recall was making a valid point: that most of your “list” could apply to Obama as well…and therefore is moot.
but i digress…perhaps you can prove to me that you’re not an “idiot” and address my first post, which wasn’t directed at starting a pissing match…as it was intelligent debate (something your initial post lacked in the first place).
you know that OBAMA want the votes from all, except from GOD
and GOD will have the last word HE IS THE CREATOR, and doesn’t dig the fact that a PRESIDENT
would think he is above HIM,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
hello, Bee…missed you!