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John Cooper
12 years ago
I watched that. She did REALLY well against that little weasel. I loved how she mocked him by bringing a stack of newspapers. I kinda’ liked those spiked heels, too (grin).
Richard Wheeler
12 years ago
Coop What is it with the Repub.base ( White Conserv.males) and that S.P. Dominitrix thing?LOL
John Cooper
12 years ago
@Richard Wheeler: Oh, that’s easy. Unlike the misogynists, perverts, and girly men on the left, we conservative males are unafraid of strong, talented women in leadership positions. We admire them. The craven left, on the other hand, feels the need to tear down such women in order to feel secure in their own sexuality. Simple!
Richard Wheeler
12 years ago
Coop HRC will eat S.P. for lunch if they cross paths in 2016. Doubt if she’ll even bother to campaign for her Party’s nominee, Mitt.
Richard Wheeler
you had to slip a sour note,
ON SARAH THE GREAT SARAH PALIN,
SHE IS SMART TOO SMART FOR THEM. AND SEE THOSE WEASEL COMING FROM MILES,
ALL THIS WITH HER SMILE,
DON’T YOU HAVE A TINGLE IN YOUR LEG?
@Richard Wheeler: Yeah, that’s a winning strategy, Rich. Throw all your eggs in Hillary’s basket…
*snicker*
Richard Wheeler
12 years ago
ANTICSROCKS As you know I picked Romney to get nom early.Correct I ve also suggested Rubio pick as V.P. gives him best chance to beat BHO
S.P, failure to actively support a Conserv has helped Mitt. Will she get behind him? Will you?
HRC As Veep would strengthen Dem. ticket but BHO loyalty to Joe probably prevents the switch
BHO/Biden should win.
HRC VS, Rubio very possible in 2016. Palin appears finished as a viable choice
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@Richard Wheeler: Yeah, you’ve been Romney’s cheerleader for so long, I’m beginning to think you’re wearing a short skirt, a sweater and holding pom-poms.
Not sure exactly what picking Romney means as regards your political experience, but okay. You picked him.
You just keep discounting Sarah Palin, her record in Alaska speaks for itself. She was a very formidable political operative up there, dealing a serious blow to the good ole’ boys club that the GOP has set up for themselves in that state.
I understand why she didn’t run for President this year, I wish she had, but she didn’t. After seeing what the MSM has done to every GOP candidate save for Mittens, it is easy to see the value in not running. She remains popular with the base, helps to raise money for Conservative candidates, and is young enough that she could still run later on down the road.
As for the MSM being easy on Mitt, just wait until this fall. They will show as much disdain and vitriol for him as you do for Conservative principles, Rich.
Richard Wheeler
12 years ago
Why didn’t Sarah try to help Newt or Santorum. Will you ever stop blaming the MSM for your problems/ Really gets old now that Sarah is a member.
As I said I respect the Conservative principles espoused by Word,Mata and A C
For the most part the rest reaffirm why I’m a Dem.
SP all but formaly endorsed Newt in some of the Southern States like SC. It’s was smart of not to tie that anchor of Newts ego around her nwck; because alas, Newt let his ego get him into a tit name calling with the Mitster. If I was Newt I would of never stopped talk about the New Contract with America. It was the best shot/start we needed.
The more I think about it the more it pisses my off that she didn’t run. No she got to leave me with choosing between tepid, ego and sanctimony.
With the vetting she’s already went through it would of been the laim stream media trying to manufacture stuff that I feel would be easily countered.
Hell I’m actually think if Mit gets the nom. of voting O. Four more years of failed progressive policies might actualy kill that ideology for a good long while. A quick economic suicide vs the slower economic death that is Mits plan.
Full Flavor Obama or Obama Light oh the choices I will probably be left with.
@Richard Wheeler: Good grief, Rich. How in the blue hell am I supposed to know why Sarah did or didn’t help this candidate or that one? Last time I checked, she was an American citizen with the freedom to do as she pleases, but I will try to pass it on to her that she evidently needs to check in with you from now on.
By the way, which one of “my” problems did I blame on the MSM? If you are referring to what the MSM did to Sarah Palin after McCain put her on the national stage, then that isn’t whining, it is stating fact. Not my fault if you can’t tell the difference.
So her guest hosting on NBC’s morning show for a week makes her a member of the MSM, now? LOL!!! if that’s the case, then I’m a member of Lynyrd Skynyrd because I was standing on stage with them at a concert once!! WOOHOO!!! Where do I collect my royalty checks?
@Josh K.: That’s quite a stretch, going from wanting to vote for Sarah Palin to voting for Obama. Let me ask you something –
If you couldn’t swim and you were in a row boat in the middle of a lake, and it sprung a leak, what would you do? Would you immediately worry about the water damage occurring in the boat and start trying to bail it out? Or would you first and foremost plug the leak?
I would plug the leak.
The boat is America.
Obama’s and the Federal Government’s insane spending is the water.
Mitt Romney is the plug for the leak.
Once you get back to shore, and you have stopped the leak, then you worry about the damage done and repairing it.
WTF – At best Mits plan just slows the water down. I was upset with Bush level spending then, I would be upset with them now.
It’s like when the GOP was trying to convince us that cutting 2trillion from 10trillion in new debt is a win, during debate to raise the debt celing. They still compromised their supposed principles to get something done. (What’s our current national debt?)
This how the GOP sucks you in. They make you happy that the boats only taking on 10 gallons of water an hour instead of 50. Neither plan on fixing the leak. Out of all the deaths drowning isn’t at the top of my list.
Let’s get this collapse over with so we can start to rebuild. We don’t need to balance the butget. We need to actualy reduce government to the point we can pay down our debt. And I don’t see that happening
The GOP wants us to define a win as just not as sucky as bad as the other guy.
So, sometime it is better to do nothing than to do something half wrong. Sometimes you got to just save whats important, and move on. Sometimes it is, “Abandon ship. Women and children first.”
WTF – At best Mits plan just slows the water down. I was upset with Bush level spending then, I would be upset with them now.
It’s like when the GOP was trying to convince us that cutting 2trillion from 10trillion in new debt is a win, during debate to raise the debt celing. They still compromised their supposed principles to get something done.
So your answer is MORE spending by voting Obama in for a second term?
That makes sense, how?
Then you said:
Let’s get this collapse over with so we can start to rebuild. We don’t need to balance the butget. We need to actualy reduce government to the point we can pay down our debt. And I don’t see that happening
Do you even know what you are asking for? What kind of collapse do you want? Anarchy? Rule of law gone? Are you naive enough to think that a financial collapse of the United States wouldn’t be messy and get people killed? But screw all that because your guy didn’t get the nomination, so let’s just put Obama in there for four more years??
Really?
And while I’m at it, how in the hell do we pay down our debt WITHOUT balancing the budget? Obama has managed to get his “one time” stimulus bill folded into the baseline of the federal budget by having Harry Reid refuse to pass a budget for three years. Then the CRs just keep us, keepin’ on – spending wise.
You are frustrated at the GOP, as many of us are. But the answer isn’t to swing the pendulum 180 degrees to teach the GOP a lesson. That gives the left and Obama exactly what they want, which is to put us on the path to European Socialism, or worse.
With majorities in both Houses, we can pull Mitt kicking and screaming to the right, just like Newt and that GOP led Congress pulled Clinton to the right in the 90s. Clinton would have been a much more far left POTUS without the influence and insistence of the GOP Congress he faced at that time. We did it then, and we can do it again if we have to.
Do I want Romney? Hell no, anyone who knows me can tell you that. But what I want more is for Obama to be a one term President. So if it means me casting my vote for Romney, then so be it.
You go ahead and vote for Obama if that makes you feel better, and if he gets another four, you make sure to write an article about how wise your decision was and post it here at Flopping Aces, okay?
Just hurry and do it before the collapse you are asking for happens.
Do you even know what balance means. To balance a budget you spend exactly what you take in. How do we pay down the debt with a *balanced* budget? Thats bailing out just as much water as comes in. Also when the politicians talk about balancing the budget that means also pay for estimated new spending.
Sad the compromising of priciples.
You too, be sure to write a post about the great 4 years of Obamalite if the Mitster becomes the Prez.
When you are driving toward a cliff, just slowing down is not the answer, and if you are not going to turn the car around why delay the inevatable.
We will be Greece! But if we drive slowly enough maybe a miracle will happen.
BTW – I’ll probably vote for Mit if he gets the Nom. But I will not be deluding myself into think he is the answer to our problem.
But then again if I have to vote for a progressive why not vote for the real deal . No half measure for me???
As we say in Texas, “Go Big, or Go Home.”
Or not. I haven’t decided, but I won’t be lying to myself.
PS. Where you for the bail outs? I was’t because I wanted the collapes to happen as fast as possible, so we can move passed and start fixing the problem. How has this delayed recovery been for you.
No one wants to pay the price for our stupidity and move on.
*Clink* … thats the sound of the GOP kicking the can down the road
I think, I’m willing to pay the price of four more years O so that all those fence sitters in the middle can get a good view of progresive policies unleashed, I think this us a lesson we need to learn even if we don’t servive it. We deserve the government we elect.
I haven’t made up my mind this just thoughts I’m kicking around the void of my mind.
Josh K.
wow,
you think, that all is fine now, and not going to get worse if there is no changing this GOVERNMENT?
you don’t want to listen to all the signs getting uglyer as the time for voting get closer,
are you so brain struck as to be numb, not looking around you, not looking at those having a hard time,
and cannot find the way out of it. don’t you listen to warning from the PEOPLE who know the market,
are you an AMERICAN? OR A SOLD OF TO THE LIES THEY KEEP SHOVING THE PEOPLE,
ARE YOU LISTENING FOR AMERICA? VIGILANT AND NOT ACCEPTING THE DESTRUCTIVE PATH THEY WANT TO DO? BY CHANGING AMERICA FOREVER, WHICH THE PATRIOTS WONT ACCEPT AT ANY PRICE,
THE TIME TO WAKE UP FOR AMERICA HAS COME CLOSE, AND IF ROMNEY IS THE ONE TO TAKE
THE GIGANTIC TASK, HE WILL BE GOOD AND THE PROOF IS HIS LOVE FOR HIS COUNTRY
AS THE MAIN PROOF ALONG WITH HIS DETERMINATION TO HEAL THE WOUNDED AND HUMILIATED NATION, GUILTY OF THE big MISTAKE OF 2008, AND DETERMINE TO NOT REPEAT IT. the task is so great, that you will see the healing coming with your eyes, it will be outstanding, compare to now and what OBAMA WILL DO IF HE GET ANOTHER YEAR, AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WILL DO TO STAND FOR AMERICA.
John Cooper
12 years ago
I wonder what Sarah is thinking now that the Executive Producer of the show she was on has been fired for doctoring the Zimmerman 911 tapes. She must have had several conversations with the guy.
I was against the bailouts of the auto companies and the big banks. In those cases, you are correct – let them collapse (your term). A better word is reorganize under Chapter 11, they remain in business, and are able to re-negotiate deals with unions, suppliers and the like. This lets them come through the other side of a Chap 11 as a leaner, more efficient, and more profitable company.
That type of collapse I have no problem with.
But when you say you want the entire country to collapse, that is crazy talk. Google Weinmar Republic, 1920s
Anarchy is never a good thing.
You said:
I think, I’m willing to pay the price of four more years O so that all those fence sitters in the middle can get a good view of progresive policies unleashed, I think this us a lesson we need to learn even if we don’t servive it. We deserve the government we elect.
You may be ready for that, but none of the rest of us are wishing for it to happen. Sure, it’s an easy thing to say, hyperbole at it’s finest, but think what happens to the citizens of this country when everything breaks down due to a monetary collapse. And remember, not only would we end the United States of America as we know it, nearly every country on the planet buys and sells their commodities with US dollars. The damage could never be contained on our shores, it would be worldwide. There would be a vacuum of power, and we all know that nature abhors a vacuum.
But like I said, vote for Barry! Yeah! That’ll make those evil GOP-ers sit up and take notice and the next time they get into offic…..wait. If you get Barry in and everything collapses, I can guarantee you this. We would be stuck with him for far more than two terms. A complete economic, social, societal collapse on the scale you are speaking of would give us a dictator named Obama.
He would explain how he would HAVE to stay in, for the good of the country. A chicken-with-its-head cut off Congress would give him anything he wants, because after all, its armageddon. We couldn’t change horses in mid-stream and we would be in a raging river so, gosh, we gotta give him more time to fix things.
Yeah, you go for that scenario. Myself, I’m going to vote for Romney, and then be part of a massively huge effort to hold his feet to the fire so much so, that his $300 socks are smoldering.
WHO’S THE SMALL BUSYNESS AUTHORITY?
they told THE COKE COMPANY TO NOT SUPPORT THE RIGHT FOR THE LAW OF ID FOR ALL,
THEY CLAIM THEY SHOULD BE NEUTRAL NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE, YA SURE NOT THE LEFT EITHER?
ARE COKE NOT AMERICANS? ARE THEY NOT FREE TO SUPPORT WHO THEY WANT?
ESPECIALY THE ID LAW, WHICH WILL MAKE DIFFICULT TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM OF VOTES,
WHAT IS AND WHO DO THEY REPRESENT, WHO PAY THAT AGENCY, THE SMALL BUSYNESS AUTHORITY
TO TRY THIS BULLYING TACTIC TO INTIMIDATE A BIG COMPANY LIKE COKE?
Quit putting words in my mourh. I do not want a collapse, but if there is to be one I would rather have over and done with as quick as possible vs. long and drawn out.
Quit putting words in my mourh. I do not want a collapse…
Seems to me you do want this collapse –
Let’s get this collapse over with so we can start to rebuild.
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As we say in Texas, “Go Big, or Go Home.”
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I think, I’m willing to pay the price of four more years O…
Nah, you don’t want the collapse, you just want another four of Obama because you’re pissed off at the GOP for nominating another RINO.
Do you honestly expect us to believe that you see no difference whatsoever between a Romney presidency and another 4 of Obama?
And one last thing, balancing the budget does indeed mean spending only what you bring in. But one of the items you spend has to be paying down on the debt. Duh.
Where is it written that balancing ANY budget, federal, corporate, individual or otherwise means paying everything EXCEPT servicing your debt? I guess I missed that in Econ 101.
Josh, do yourself a favor and read the stuff you type before you hit the Post Comment button. Some of the things you say are just so off the wall.
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Servicing the debt means insuring that we can make our interest payments on the debt. You can have a balanced budget as long you can pay for all expendatures going out. In fact, this what most of our politicians mean when they talk about a balancing the budget. Hell you can add 10 trillion in new spending over 10 years and have a balanced budget if you can raise the revenue(Taxes). Spending less than we take in. putting some in a rainy day fund (after we pay down the dept); A non-balanced approach.
I think we have passed the event horizion on this impending (impending only in that we haven’t hit bottom) economic collapse. What I want has very liitle to do with what happens. I want people to use a little forethought when making decisions. I want people to have self-disipline to realize their dreams. I want people to take action in the pursuit of their dreams.
Home work:
Look up mark crash 1920.
Look up market crash 1929.
Look up the lost decade.
Buy “The Forgotten Man”:
Then tell me why we should prolong the suffering, because all I said was I want to get this collapse over with so we can start to rebuild.
“Do you honestly expect us to believe that you see no difference whatsoever between a Romney presidency and another 4 of Obama?”
It is a matter of scale.
Yes, have you looked at his record in MA. His defense. I only condoned that level of government overreach at the state level. I only suported an assault weapons ban and a health care mandate at the state level. I would never suport that level of state control at the federal level.
Republicans are pretty much asured(knock on wood) to win majorities on the Senate and House. Mit will have a blank check after that. At lest O will have a fight on his hands inacting any of his progresive plans. You seem to be under the impresion that O will just beable to do what ever he wants.
“Yeah, you go for that scenario. Myself, I’m going to vote for Romney, and then be part of a massively huge effort to hold his feet to the fire so much so, that his $300 socks are smoldering.”
This is a beautiful thought, but he and the majority of the Senators and Reprisentatives have the majority of the intitalment holders to pander to.
Josh K.
YES, WHAT YOU WANT IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION,
AND IT WILL TAKE A CONSERVATIVE TO IMPLEMENT IT WITH WISDOM and determination.
first reduce the GOVERNMENT FROM INSIDE UNTIL IT HURT THEM ENOUGH TO MAKE
THOSE ELECTED MOVE THEIR BUTTS INSTEAD OF HIRE ING A LAWYER TO THINK FOR THEM, INSTEAD OF HIRE ING A NUMBER OF AGENCY TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK , INSTEAD OF CALLING SOME ONE ELSE TO WIPE THEIR A..ES, INSTEAD OF STANDING STILL WHILE THE YOUNG ARE LOOTING THE PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF HIRING SOMEONE ELSE TO WRITE OR TYPE THEIR WORK,
INSTEAD OF THEM GOING IN LAVISH EXPANSES ON THE DOLE OF THE PEOPLE,
A PRESIDENT WHO CAN ACT INSTEAD OF PROMISSING WITH LIES, A PRESIDENT WHO WILL SUPERVISE THE UNIONS NOT VICE VERSA,
AND ROMNEY CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED, AND SANTORUM CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED AND NEWT GINGRICK CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED AND RON PAUL CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED
AND OBAMA DEMONSTRATE TO HAVE FAIL TO DO THE JOB IN SUCH A TIME HE HAD
WHICH HE USED HIS TIME TO DICTATED TO AMERICANS AND SPEND AMERICA TO HELL
BYE
@Josh K.: Yeah, I’ll get right on that “homework.” Looking up things I already know about.
What I am saying is that your loose talk of wanting the collapse to happen fast just shows that you haven’t thoroughly thought through what you’re wishing for; and I am well aware that what you want has nothing to do with what will or won’t happen. But for goodness’ sake, saying that you wanted a very Conservative candidate, namely Sarah Palin to run for POTUS, and then to switch and vote for the complete opposite in Obama because she didn’t run – well you have to admit that’s damn hard to reconcile, and it smacks of bitterness to no end.
I think Romney is the weakest GOP candidate we’ve seen in my lifetime. So far he has about 57% of the needed delegates, but has only garnered 41% of the popular GOP vote. He is winning because GOP voter turnout is at, in many cases, an all time low and he is eviscerating his party rivals. He cannot use this strategy against Obama and I fear he may well lose. All we can hope for is that the Party unites behind him if he gets the nomination, and it won’t be easy because he has pissed of many, many segments of the GOP.
You vote however you want, show them stupid Republicans and vote for Obama. Yep, that’ll really put them in their place.
1. Wasn’t stupid enough to buy a house that I could afford.
2. No debt what so ever.
The only thing I have to worry about is my government trying to make me pay for other peoples stupidity.
Anti, you seem to be under the impression that I fear loosing everything and having to start over. As long as I have my health and the ability to work ill be fine. I do not fear starting over. I do not base my happiness on things. Stuff is stuff.
Voting for O was a thought I had. I probably will vote for Mit, if he gets the nom, and trying the fold his feet to the fire, but we haven’t had much luck with that plan; See raising the debt celing debate.
What I actually said, “Hell I’m actually think if Mit gets the nom. of voting O. Four more years of failed progressive policies might actualy kill that ideology for a good long while. A quick economic suicide vs the slower economic death that is Mits plan.
Full Flavor Obama or Obama Light oh the choices I will probably be left with.
You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage.
Terry Pratchett, “Witches Abroad”
Josh K.
WELL SAID, EXCEPT, YOUR COUNTRY NEED YOU, SHE doesn’t ask you to go fight the enemy, she leave you free to decide, while you are attending to your responsibility for only you,
but your country need you now, FOR THE ENEMIES WITHIN to vote a PRESIDENT WHICH CARE FOR AMERICA AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU, ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL SEEKING FOR GOOD WILL AND TO HAVE THE RIGHT LEADER WHO CAN PROVIDE THE JOBS NOT THE FALSE PROMISES , HE READ IN BOOK BUT NOT FEASIBLE IN THE REALITY OF THIS NATION, THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE WHAT IS NOT WORKING IN NOVEMBER, WHY? WELL BECAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, AND YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY TO BE AS SHE WAS, WHICH IS THE MOST APPRECIATED AND RESPECTED OF THE WORLD, for what she give to the WORLD, WHICH NOW ARE AT THE TIME WHERE THEY TAKE IT FOR GRANTED,
AND THINK THEY CAN BULLY HER AND HER TOLERANT PEOPLE BY INCREASELY INVADING IT AND WORK HARD TO CHANGE IT LEADING TO HER DESTRUCTION
YOU AS AN AMERICAN HAVE A DUTY TO KEEP AMERICA WHAT SHE WAS BEFORE THESES LAST YEARS, AND MAKE SURE TO TAKE CARE BY VOTING THE WRONG ONE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER, YOU AND MILLIONS WILL VOTE FOR IT. IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE OF YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FELLOWS AERICANS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
BYE
@Josh K.: At least it looks as if you’ve gotten over your temper tantrum as far as voting goes, and that’s a good thing.
And I cannot tell you how relieved I am that when the impending collapse you so desire does happen, you’ll be financially set. That was a HUGE worry of mine.
If you can tell me how Mit is going to stop the economic collapse, please inlighten me. That plan he put out was weak tea.
I do not wish for or want an economic collapse. I do believe we are in the midst of a collapse. That the longer our government tries to prop this economy up with bad economic policy of printing money and low interest rates the harder and longer the fall will be.
We just keep blowing up these bubbles bigger under the mistaken belief that we can control the economy and markets. Markets/economies will self correct for overvaluation and stupidity.
This is the last I’m going to say on this because you seem incapable of understanding the difference between desire for and exceptance of. Also I never said I was voting for O only that I was thinking about it, and still am.
I do believe we are in the midst of a collapse. That the longer our government tries to prop this economy up with bad economic policy of printing money and low interest rates the harder and longer the fall will be.
File that one under, “Duh.”
You said:
Also I never said I was voting for O only that I was thinking about it, and still am.
Your first statement on this –
Hell I’m actually think if Mit gets the nom. of voting O. Four more years of failed progressive policies might actualy kill that ideology for a good long while. A quick economic suicide vs the slower economic death that is Mits plan.
~~~~~ and ~~~~~
I think, I’m willing to pay the price of four more years O so that all those fence sitters in the middle can get a good view of progresive policies unleashed, I think this us a lesson we need to learn even if we don’t servive it. We deserve the government we elect.
Yeah, that seems like you’re “just thinking about it.”
First you throw your little temper tantrum like a toddler with fury aimed at Sarah Palin when you said:
The more I think about it the more it pisses my off that she didn’t run. No she got to leave me with choosing between tepid, ego and sanctimony.
Yep, all her fault.
Then you try repeatedly to walk it back…
Here –
I haven’t made up my mind this just thoughts I’m kicking around the void of my mind.
And here –
Voting for O was a thought I had. I probably will vote for Mit, if he gets the nom…
Make up your mind, stick with one thought, at least that I could respect.
And I am glad you’re done with this, all your talking in circles has me almost dizzy.
I watched that. She did REALLY well against that little weasel. I loved how she mocked him by bringing a stack of newspapers. I kinda’ liked those spiked heels, too (grin).
Coop What is it with the Repub.base ( White Conserv.males) and that S.P. Dominitrix thing?LOL
@Richard Wheeler: Oh, that’s easy. Unlike the misogynists, perverts, and girly men on the left, we conservative males are unafraid of strong, talented women in leadership positions. We admire them. The craven left, on the other hand, feels the need to tear down such women in order to feel secure in their own sexuality. Simple!
Coop HRC will eat S.P. for lunch if they cross paths in 2016. Doubt if she’ll even bother to campaign for her Party’s nominee, Mitt.
Richard Wheeler
you had to slip a sour note,
ON SARAH THE GREAT SARAH PALIN,
SHE IS SMART TOO SMART FOR THEM. AND SEE THOSE WEASEL COMING FROM MILES,
ALL THIS WITH HER SMILE,
DON’T YOU HAVE A TINGLE IN YOUR LEG?
@Richard Wheeler: Yeah, that’s a winning strategy, Rich. Throw all your eggs in Hillary’s basket…
*snicker*
ANTICSROCKS As you know I picked Romney to get nom early.Correct I ve also suggested Rubio pick as V.P. gives him best chance to beat BHO
S.P, failure to actively support a Conserv has helped Mitt. Will she get behind him? Will you?
HRC As Veep would strengthen Dem. ticket but BHO loyalty to Joe probably prevents the switch
BHO/Biden should win.
HRC VS, Rubio very possible in 2016. Palin appears finished as a viable choice
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Richard
HRC did so well the last time she ran for president. Against a community organizer with no executive experiance.
You keep telling yourself SP is not a threat. You will sleep better at knight that way.
🙂
@Richard Wheeler: Yeah, you’ve been Romney’s cheerleader for so long, I’m beginning to think you’re wearing a short skirt, a sweater and holding pom-poms.
Not sure exactly what picking Romney means as regards your political experience, but okay. You picked him.
You just keep discounting Sarah Palin, her record in Alaska speaks for itself. She was a very formidable political operative up there, dealing a serious blow to the good ole’ boys club that the GOP has set up for themselves in that state.
I understand why she didn’t run for President this year, I wish she had, but she didn’t. After seeing what the MSM has done to every GOP candidate save for Mittens, it is easy to see the value in not running. She remains popular with the base, helps to raise money for Conservative candidates, and is young enough that she could still run later on down the road.
As for the MSM being easy on Mitt, just wait until this fall. They will show as much disdain and vitriol for him as you do for Conservative principles, Rich.
Why didn’t Sarah try to help Newt or Santorum. Will you ever stop blaming the MSM for your problems/ Really gets old now that Sarah is a member.
As I said I respect the Conservative principles espoused by Word,Mata and A C
For the most part the rest reaffirm why I’m a Dem.
SP all but formaly endorsed Newt in some of the Southern States like SC. It’s was smart of not to tie that anchor of Newts ego around her nwck; because alas, Newt let his ego get him into a tit name calling with the Mitster. If I was Newt I would of never stopped talk about the New Contract with America. It was the best shot/start we needed.
The more I think about it the more it pisses my off that she didn’t run. No she got to leave me with choosing between tepid, ego and sanctimony.
With the vetting she’s already went through it would of been the laim stream media trying to manufacture stuff that I feel would be easily countered.
Hell I’m actually think if Mit gets the nom. of voting O. Four more years of failed progressive policies might actualy kill that ideology for a good long while. A quick economic suicide vs the slower economic death that is Mits plan.
Full Flavor Obama or Obama Light oh the choices I will probably be left with.
Thanks SP.
Sigh…
@Richard Wheeler: Good grief, Rich. How in the blue hell am I supposed to know why Sarah did or didn’t help this candidate or that one? Last time I checked, she was an American citizen with the freedom to do as she pleases, but I will try to pass it on to her that she evidently needs to check in with you from now on.
By the way, which one of “my” problems did I blame on the MSM? If you are referring to what the MSM did to Sarah Palin after McCain put her on the national stage, then that isn’t whining, it is stating fact. Not my fault if you can’t tell the difference.
So her guest hosting on NBC’s morning show for a week makes her a member of the MSM, now? LOL!!! if that’s the case, then I’m a member of Lynyrd Skynyrd because I was standing on stage with them at a concert once!! WOOHOO!!! Where do I collect my royalty checks?
@Josh K.: That’s quite a stretch, going from wanting to vote for Sarah Palin to voting for Obama. Let me ask you something –
If you couldn’t swim and you were in a row boat in the middle of a lake, and it sprung a leak, what would you do? Would you immediately worry about the water damage occurring in the boat and start trying to bail it out? Or would you first and foremost plug the leak?
I would plug the leak.
The boat is America.
Obama’s and the Federal Government’s insane spending is the water.
Mitt Romney is the plug for the leak.
Once you get back to shore, and you have stopped the leak, then you worry about the damage done and repairing it.
“Mitt Romney is the plug for the leak.”
WTF – At best Mits plan just slows the water down. I was upset with Bush level spending then, I would be upset with them now.
It’s like when the GOP was trying to convince us that cutting 2trillion from 10trillion in new debt is a win, during debate to raise the debt celing. They still compromised their supposed principles to get something done. (What’s our current national debt?)
This how the GOP sucks you in. They make you happy that the boats only taking on 10 gallons of water an hour instead of 50. Neither plan on fixing the leak. Out of all the deaths drowning isn’t at the top of my list.
Let’s get this collapse over with so we can start to rebuild. We don’t need to balance the butget. We need to actualy reduce government to the point we can pay down our debt. And I don’t see that happening
The GOP wants us to define a win as just not as sucky as bad as the other guy.
http://the-tao-of-josh.blogspot.com/2011/08/art-of-compromise-as-practiced-in.html
So, sometime it is better to do nothing than to do something half wrong. Sometimes you got to just save whats important, and move on. Sometimes it is, “Abandon ship. Women and children first.”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_(1845)
@Josh K.: You said:
So your answer is MORE spending by voting Obama in for a second term?
That makes sense, how?
Then you said:
Do you even know what you are asking for? What kind of collapse do you want? Anarchy? Rule of law gone? Are you naive enough to think that a financial collapse of the United States wouldn’t be messy and get people killed? But screw all that because your guy didn’t get the nomination, so let’s just put Obama in there for four more years??
Really?
And while I’m at it, how in the hell do we pay down our debt WITHOUT balancing the budget? Obama has managed to get his “one time” stimulus bill folded into the baseline of the federal budget by having Harry Reid refuse to pass a budget for three years. Then the CRs just keep us, keepin’ on – spending wise.
You are frustrated at the GOP, as many of us are. But the answer isn’t to swing the pendulum 180 degrees to teach the GOP a lesson. That gives the left and Obama exactly what they want, which is to put us on the path to European Socialism, or worse.
With majorities in both Houses, we can pull Mitt kicking and screaming to the right, just like Newt and that GOP led Congress pulled Clinton to the right in the 90s. Clinton would have been a much more far left POTUS without the influence and insistence of the GOP Congress he faced at that time. We did it then, and we can do it again if we have to.
Do I want Romney? Hell no, anyone who knows me can tell you that. But what I want more is for Obama to be a one term President. So if it means me casting my vote for Romney, then so be it.
You go ahead and vote for Obama if that makes you feel better, and if he gets another four, you make sure to write an article about how wise your decision was and post it here at Flopping Aces, okay?
Just hurry and do it before the collapse you are asking for happens.
Do you even know what balance means. To balance a budget you spend exactly what you take in. How do we pay down the debt with a *balanced* budget? Thats bailing out just as much water as comes in. Also when the politicians talk about balancing the budget that means also pay for estimated new spending.
Sad the compromising of priciples.
You too, be sure to write a post about the great 4 years of Obamalite if the Mitster becomes the Prez.
When you are driving toward a cliff, just slowing down is not the answer, and if you are not going to turn the car around why delay the inevatable.
We will be Greece! But if we drive slowly enough maybe a miracle will happen.
BTW – I’ll probably vote for Mit if he gets the Nom. But I will not be deluding myself into think he is the answer to our problem.
But then again if I have to vote for a progressive why not vote for the real deal . No half measure for me???
As we say in Texas, “Go Big, or Go Home.”
Or not. I haven’t decided, but I won’t be lying to myself.
PS. Where you for the bail outs? I was’t because I wanted the collapes to happen as fast as possible, so we can move passed and start fixing the problem. How has this delayed recovery been for you.
No one wants to pay the price for our stupidity and move on.
*Clink* … thats the sound of the GOP kicking the can down the road
I think, I’m willing to pay the price of four more years O so that all those fence sitters in the middle can get a good view of progresive policies unleashed, I think this us a lesson we need to learn even if we don’t servive it. We deserve the government we elect.
I haven’t made up my mind this just thoughts I’m kicking around the void of my mind.
Josh K.
wow,
you think, that all is fine now, and not going to get worse if there is no changing this GOVERNMENT?
you don’t want to listen to all the signs getting uglyer as the time for voting get closer,
are you so brain struck as to be numb, not looking around you, not looking at those having a hard time,
and cannot find the way out of it. don’t you listen to warning from the PEOPLE who know the market,
are you an AMERICAN? OR A SOLD OF TO THE LIES THEY KEEP SHOVING THE PEOPLE,
ARE YOU LISTENING FOR AMERICA? VIGILANT AND NOT ACCEPTING THE DESTRUCTIVE PATH THEY WANT TO DO? BY CHANGING AMERICA FOREVER, WHICH THE PATRIOTS WONT ACCEPT AT ANY PRICE,
THE TIME TO WAKE UP FOR AMERICA HAS COME CLOSE, AND IF ROMNEY IS THE ONE TO TAKE
THE GIGANTIC TASK, HE WILL BE GOOD AND THE PROOF IS HIS LOVE FOR HIS COUNTRY
AS THE MAIN PROOF ALONG WITH HIS DETERMINATION TO HEAL THE WOUNDED AND HUMILIATED NATION, GUILTY OF THE big MISTAKE OF 2008, AND DETERMINE TO NOT REPEAT IT. the task is so great, that you will see the healing coming with your eyes, it will be outstanding, compare to now and what OBAMA WILL DO IF HE GET ANOTHER YEAR, AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WILL DO TO STAND FOR AMERICA.
I wonder what Sarah is thinking now that the Executive Producer of the show she was on has been fired for doctoring the Zimmerman 911 tapes. She must have had several conversations with the guy.
NBC News Fires Editgate Producer
I was against the bailouts of the auto companies and the big banks. In those cases, you are correct – let them collapse (your term). A better word is reorganize under Chapter 11, they remain in business, and are able to re-negotiate deals with unions, suppliers and the like. This lets them come through the other side of a Chap 11 as a leaner, more efficient, and more profitable company.
That type of collapse I have no problem with.
But when you say you want the entire country to collapse, that is crazy talk. Google Weinmar Republic, 1920s
Anarchy is never a good thing.
You said:
You may be ready for that, but none of the rest of us are wishing for it to happen. Sure, it’s an easy thing to say, hyperbole at it’s finest, but think what happens to the citizens of this country when everything breaks down due to a monetary collapse. And remember, not only would we end the United States of America as we know it, nearly every country on the planet buys and sells their commodities with US dollars. The damage could never be contained on our shores, it would be worldwide. There would be a vacuum of power, and we all know that nature abhors a vacuum.
But like I said, vote for Barry! Yeah! That’ll make those evil GOP-ers sit up and take notice and the next time they get into offic…..wait. If you get Barry in and everything collapses, I can guarantee you this. We would be stuck with him for far more than two terms. A complete economic, social, societal collapse on the scale you are speaking of would give us a dictator named Obama.
He would explain how he would HAVE to stay in, for the good of the country. A chicken-with-its-head cut off Congress would give him anything he wants, because after all, its armageddon. We couldn’t change horses in mid-stream and we would be in a raging river so, gosh, we gotta give him more time to fix things.
Yeah, you go for that scenario. Myself, I’m going to vote for Romney, and then be part of a massively huge effort to hold his feet to the fire so much so, that his $300 socks are smoldering.
WHO’S THE SMALL BUSYNESS AUTHORITY?
they told THE COKE COMPANY TO NOT SUPPORT THE RIGHT FOR THE LAW OF ID FOR ALL,
THEY CLAIM THEY SHOULD BE NEUTRAL NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE, YA SURE NOT THE LEFT EITHER?
ARE COKE NOT AMERICANS? ARE THEY NOT FREE TO SUPPORT WHO THEY WANT?
ESPECIALY THE ID LAW, WHICH WILL MAKE DIFFICULT TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM OF VOTES,
WHAT IS AND WHO DO THEY REPRESENT, WHO PAY THAT AGENCY, THE SMALL BUSYNESS AUTHORITY
TO TRY THIS BULLYING TACTIC TO INTIMIDATE A BIG COMPANY LIKE COKE?
Quit putting words in my mourh. I do not want a collapse, but if there is to be one I would rather have over and done with as quick as possible vs. long and drawn out.
@Josh K.: You said:
Seems to me you do want this collapse –
Nah, you don’t want the collapse, you just want another four of Obama because you’re pissed off at the GOP for nominating another RINO.
Do you honestly expect us to believe that you see no difference whatsoever between a Romney presidency and another 4 of Obama?
And one last thing, balancing the budget does indeed mean spending only what you bring in. But one of the items you spend has to be paying down on the debt. Duh.
Where is it written that balancing ANY budget, federal, corporate, individual or otherwise means paying everything EXCEPT servicing your debt? I guess I missed that in Econ 101.
Josh, do yourself a favor and read the stuff you type before you hit the Post Comment button. Some of the things you say are just so off the wall.
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Servicing the debt means insuring that we can make our interest payments on the debt. You can have a balanced budget as long you can pay for all expendatures going out. In fact, this what most of our politicians mean when they talk about a balancing the budget. Hell you can add 10 trillion in new spending over 10 years and have a balanced budget if you can raise the revenue(Taxes). Spending less than we take in. putting some in a rainy day fund (after we pay down the dept); A non-balanced approach.
I think we have passed the event horizion on this impending (impending only in that we haven’t hit bottom) economic collapse. What I want has very liitle to do with what happens. I want people to use a little forethought when making decisions. I want people to have self-disipline to realize their dreams. I want people to take action in the pursuit of their dreams.
Home work:
Look up mark crash 1920.
Look up market crash 1929.
Look up the lost decade.
Buy “The Forgotten Man”:
Then tell me why we should prolong the suffering, because all I said was I want to get this collapse over with so we can start to rebuild.
Four years and counting….
“Do you honestly expect us to believe that you see no difference whatsoever between a Romney presidency and another 4 of Obama?”
It is a matter of scale.
Yes, have you looked at his record in MA. His defense. I only condoned that level of government overreach at the state level. I only suported an assault weapons ban and a health care mandate at the state level. I would never suport that level of state control at the federal level.
Republicans are pretty much asured(knock on wood) to win majorities on the Senate and House. Mit will have a blank check after that. At lest O will have a fight on his hands inacting any of his progresive plans. You seem to be under the impresion that O will just beable to do what ever he wants.
Hmmm…
“Yeah, you go for that scenario. Myself, I’m going to vote for Romney, and then be part of a massively huge effort to hold his feet to the fire so much so, that his $300 socks are smoldering.”
This is a beautiful thought, but he and the majority of the Senators and Reprisentatives have the majority of the intitalment holders to pander to.
Josh K.
YES, WHAT YOU WANT IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION,
AND IT WILL TAKE A CONSERVATIVE TO IMPLEMENT IT WITH WISDOM and determination.
first reduce the GOVERNMENT FROM INSIDE UNTIL IT HURT THEM ENOUGH TO MAKE
THOSE ELECTED MOVE THEIR BUTTS INSTEAD OF HIRE ING A LAWYER TO THINK FOR THEM, INSTEAD OF HIRE ING A NUMBER OF AGENCY TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK , INSTEAD OF CALLING SOME ONE ELSE TO WIPE THEIR A..ES, INSTEAD OF STANDING STILL WHILE THE YOUNG ARE LOOTING THE PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF HIRING SOMEONE ELSE TO WRITE OR TYPE THEIR WORK,
INSTEAD OF THEM GOING IN LAVISH EXPANSES ON THE DOLE OF THE PEOPLE,
A PRESIDENT WHO CAN ACT INSTEAD OF PROMISSING WITH LIES, A PRESIDENT WHO WILL SUPERVISE THE UNIONS NOT VICE VERSA,
AND ROMNEY CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED, AND SANTORUM CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED AND NEWT GINGRICK CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED AND RON PAUL CAN DO THE JOB IF NOMINATED
AND OBAMA DEMONSTRATE TO HAVE FAIL TO DO THE JOB IN SUCH A TIME HE HAD
WHICH HE USED HIS TIME TO DICTATED TO AMERICANS AND SPEND AMERICA TO HELL
BYE
@Josh K.: Yeah, I’ll get right on that “homework.” Looking up things I already know about.
What I am saying is that your loose talk of wanting the collapse to happen fast just shows that you haven’t thoroughly thought through what you’re wishing for; and I am well aware that what you want has nothing to do with what will or won’t happen. But for goodness’ sake, saying that you wanted a very Conservative candidate, namely Sarah Palin to run for POTUS, and then to switch and vote for the complete opposite in Obama because she didn’t run – well you have to admit that’s damn hard to reconcile, and it smacks of bitterness to no end.
I think Romney is the weakest GOP candidate we’ve seen in my lifetime. So far he has about 57% of the needed delegates, but has only garnered 41% of the popular GOP vote. He is winning because GOP voter turnout is at, in many cases, an all time low and he is eviscerating his party rivals. He cannot use this strategy against Obama and I fear he may well lose. All we can hope for is that the Party unites behind him if he gets the nomination, and it won’t be easy because he has pissed of many, many segments of the GOP.
You vote however you want, show them stupid Republicans and vote for Obama. Yep, that’ll really put them in their place.
Have a happy Easter.
Actualy the collapse won’t effect me very much.
1. Wasn’t stupid enough to buy a house that I could afford.
2. No debt what so ever.
The only thing I have to worry about is my government trying to make me pay for other peoples stupidity.
Anti, you seem to be under the impression that I fear loosing everything and having to start over. As long as I have my health and the ability to work ill be fine. I do not fear starting over. I do not base my happiness on things. Stuff is stuff.
Voting for O was a thought I had. I probably will vote for Mit, if he gets the nom, and trying the fold his feet to the fire, but we haven’t had much luck with that plan; See raising the debt celing debate.
What I actually said, “Hell I’m actually think if Mit gets the nom. of voting O. Four more years of failed progressive policies might actualy kill that ideology for a good long while. A quick economic suicide vs the slower economic death that is Mits plan.
Full Flavor Obama or Obama Light oh the choices I will probably be left with.
Thanks SP.
Sigh…”
Happy Easter, best wishes to you and yours,
Josh
@ilovebeeswarzone:
I’m only only responsible for me.
You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage.
Terry Pratchett, “Witches Abroad”
Josh K.
WELL SAID, EXCEPT, YOUR COUNTRY NEED YOU, SHE doesn’t ask you to go fight the enemy, she leave you free to decide, while you are attending to your responsibility for only you,
but your country need you now, FOR THE ENEMIES WITHIN to vote a PRESIDENT WHICH CARE FOR AMERICA AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU, ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL SEEKING FOR GOOD WILL AND TO HAVE THE RIGHT LEADER WHO CAN PROVIDE THE JOBS NOT THE FALSE PROMISES , HE READ IN BOOK BUT NOT FEASIBLE IN THE REALITY OF THIS NATION, THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE WHAT IS NOT WORKING IN NOVEMBER, WHY? WELL BECAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, AND YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY TO BE AS SHE WAS, WHICH IS THE MOST APPRECIATED AND RESPECTED OF THE WORLD, for what she give to the WORLD, WHICH NOW ARE AT THE TIME WHERE THEY TAKE IT FOR GRANTED,
AND THINK THEY CAN BULLY HER AND HER TOLERANT PEOPLE BY INCREASELY INVADING IT AND WORK HARD TO CHANGE IT LEADING TO HER DESTRUCTION
YOU AS AN AMERICAN HAVE A DUTY TO KEEP AMERICA WHAT SHE WAS BEFORE THESES LAST YEARS, AND MAKE SURE TO TAKE CARE BY VOTING THE WRONG ONE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER, YOU AND MILLIONS WILL VOTE FOR IT. IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE OF YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FELLOWS AERICANS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
BYE
@Josh K.: At least it looks as if you’ve gotten over your temper tantrum as far as voting goes, and that’s a good thing.
And I cannot tell you how relieved I am that when the impending collapse you so desire does happen, you’ll be financially set. That was a HUGE worry of mine.
@anticsrocks:
If you can tell me how Mit is going to stop the economic collapse, please inlighten me. That plan he put out was weak tea.
I do not wish for or want an economic collapse. I do believe we are in the midst of a collapse. That the longer our government tries to prop this economy up with bad economic policy of printing money and low interest rates the harder and longer the fall will be.
We just keep blowing up these bubbles bigger under the mistaken belief that we can control the economy and markets. Markets/economies will self correct for overvaluation and stupidity.
This is the last I’m going to say on this because you seem incapable of understanding the difference between desire for and exceptance of. Also I never said I was voting for O only that I was thinking about it, and still am.
🙂
@Josh K.: You said:
File that one under, “Duh.”
You said:
Your first statement on this –
Yeah, that seems like you’re “just thinking about it.”
First you throw your little temper tantrum like a toddler with fury aimed at Sarah Palin when you said:
Yep, all her fault.
Then you try repeatedly to walk it back…
Here –
And here –
Make up your mind, stick with one thought, at least that I could respect.
And I am glad you’re done with this, all your talking in circles has me almost dizzy.